Originally posted by Sky: This is in fact the only reason why we have foreign troops in our country right now. Thanks to the collaborators, the foreign troops are in our country right now for occupation, raping our women, killing innocent civilians, torturing and executing our wadaads, iwm. The only means that can kick those foreign troops and their collaborators out of Somalia is force.

Originally posted by Dhubad: Xaafadaha Muqdisho oo xalay lagu arkay ciidamadii Maxkamadaha Islaamiga ahaa oo waddooyinka marmaraya Good news.

Originally posted by Cambarro: So to actually refuse to serve it to customers is a moot point. The cashier sold it to the customer without handling it; that's what matters. I applaud the cashier, and would suggest to her to find a proper job, one that involves no pork or alcohol. I am sure she will find one.

Originally posted by Baashi: Step in the right direction or a hopeless gathering? A hopeless gathering. All parties know only force can solve the problems, so it's better to concentrate on force.

Originally posted by General Duke: fact nothing to do with Islam all to do with clan. Are you saying the clan government has more to do with Islam than the ICU?

Originally posted by Captain Xalane: The damage that the clan courts do to the public is dismissed and is regarded as another casualties of War thing,right? It's not only the ICU that's in the equation; there are other elements such as nationalists, disgruntled warlords, criminals, iwm. So, make sure which group is behind the damage.

Originally posted by Captain Xalane: Prove it! The nature of ICU isn't one based on clanism, a la TFG (4.5 formula). The ICU isn't about clans dividing the country, claiming ownership of certain regions, cities, towns, villages, iwm. The ICU is about Sharia'. Each district, village, town, city or region has an Islamic court represented by the local people. Fighters of the ICU hail from different regions such as Waqooyi Galbeed, Bari, Dhexe and Koonfur. It's well documented martyrs who lost their lives during the liberation of the country from the warlords and during the war against the occupiers hailed from different regions. Mogadishu is the most populous city in the country; it's where the ICU was founded. It was natural many of the ICU leaders would hail from the people who live in Mogadishu. The ICU was in a process of expanding and making the makeup of its leaders more diverse when Somalia got invaded. It's no wonder the ICU enjoys widespread appeal and grassroots support from most Somalis both at home and in the diaspora. The appeal has nothing to do with the clan of its leaders; it has to do with the system (Sharia') they rule with, and the countless positive jobs they have accomplished. Finally, it takes more than courage to form an Islamic movement, because the West will destroy such a movement even if it's formed for fun. In short, forming an Islamic movement is like inviting your own destruction by the West.

Originally posted by Captain Xalane: Like it was foolish to assume that the Clan courts hailed from one qabiil innit? That's right, capitano.

Originally posted by Caamir: Again, the Islamists who used Islam as a political tool threatened the government’s administrative city and finally attacked to unseat it hoping that engagement of war with the TFG might give them divine victory and by extension bringing the whole Somalia under their control. That divine victory got delayed, but it shall come, insha'Allah. The era of conditional or fake independence, the era of secularism, the era of foreigners deciding the fate of Muslims is over.

Originally posted by General Duke: but why all this fuss from this specefic group who all hail from a single clan. You are making a big mistake assuming there's only one clan or one armed group. As a result of the invasion and occupation, many armed groups have been formed. Among them are nationalists who cannot withstand their country under occupation, businessmen employing armed men to protect their businesses, clan elders trying to protect their families and relatives, disgruntled warlords or ex-warlords trying to restore the conditions that made them profitable before the ICU's rule, criminals, smugglers and other groups. With the current condition of occupation and lawlessness, it would be foolish to assume all those groups hail from one clan.

General, like I said, the clan government stinks of collaboration with the invasion and occupation of Somalia. No amount of deodorant can change that stinking smell.

Originally posted by General Duke: As for the government of Somalia, it is working hard to end this sharade once and for all. The clan government needs only one more month to end it once for all? Right?

I used to follow Zamzam's news years ago. What happened to her was dreadful. It would be interesting to read the latest news about her. I hope she's fine.

Originally posted by David_Letterman: Both links go dead when i type somali or Somalia why? Try this one: http://books.google.com/books

Originally posted by roobleh: Do you think whats happening in Somalia is party related to HEAT? What's happening in Somalia is mostly related to secularism.

Originally posted by Caano Geel: its obvious that you have no idea what your talking about. your contentment of blatant contradictions -unless they suite your point at hand- is simply disgraceful. I think you have lost patience trying to convince me with your Westernized or secular arguments. Well, you tried your best.

Originally posted by Caano Geel: or is that not enough, its ok because supposed muslims have killed them? No, it's not that. 4 millions in Congo and 1 million in Rwanda, most of them Christians, perish; each didn't get a fraction of the monumental worldwide attention and countless UN resolutions Sudan is getting. Now, it's that.

Originally posted by Caano Geel: Do you believe that "the US, the UK and its allies massacred more than 600,000 Iraqis" ? Of course. Without the US, the UK and its allies, more than 600,000 Iraqis wouldn't have been massacred. Directly or indirectly, the massacre was caused by the US, the UK and its allies. And before this massacre, 1 million Iraqi kids were massacred after the first Gulf war; courtesy of Western sanctions. You might find it difficult to comprehend, but the keyword is causal.

Originally posted by rudy: i have to admit i was a supporter of the tfg! I think you're still a TFG supporter.

Originally posted by Caano Geel: If nothing else just so we know how many people can be killed before it matters. Well, the US, the UK and its allies massacred more than 600,000 Iraqis; that wasn't holocaust, genocide, massacre, iwm-- and it matters not. When the floods were drowning residents of the JUba and Shebbelle valleys it was oxfam, unicef, christian aid and the red crescent that were collecting the cash, sending the doctors and the relief - It is they that feed the refugee cambs in kenya, ethiopia and yemen. Well, as they say, nothing is for free. Those NGOs (oxfam, unicef, christian aid and the red crescent) get profit in return for aiding Muslims. What they do is tax free, plus volunteers work as their staff or employees. They get free thousands Muslim orphans to be adopted and raised by Christians. And it doesn't cost them much; a Western dollar or pound isn't much in the West, but can make a difference in the Third World. That's why they can't help the millions of homeless and poor in the West who suffer from famine, lack of medical attention, lack of heating in winter, iwm. The other thing, Islamic NGOs have been barred from aiding those Muslims in need, 'cause the West indicted them of terrorism. I'm curious had the west not 'interfered' would these people still be at home tending to their live stock? And exactly how does the interference that creates such mayhem work? Had the West not interfered, the bulk (if not all) of those displaced would have been at their home tending to their livestock. With the interference, the West armed certain Darfurians, trained them, provided them logistics and intelligence, ordered them to destabilize the region, cause mayhem, iwm.

Originally posted by Captain Xalane: 3.One attack on the mother cell will dissolve them . There's no such thing as mother cell. Cells are usually small, numerous, independent from each other with the possibility of coordinating attacks and disbanding afterwards. I can't believe a wannabe captain doesn't know that.

Originally posted by General Duke: Thats what the soon to be former scrap merchants, charcoal traders, occupiers of private & public property say.. But those are part of the foreign traitorous government. The Caydiids, Qaybdiids, Yalaxoows, Maxamed Dheeres, Moorgans, Hiraales, the clan president, iwm.

Originally posted by Captain Xalane: U challenge me to forecast eh,while forgetting that ur cousins are either liquidated or turned their weapons in and submitted themselves to the government.U will get nothing from me than the simple truth,that in time u will be tamed.The rest is un important. You're smarter than General Duke, for you would have miserably failed as he's about to fail in one month's time. Originally posted by TheSomaliEconomist: But let me challenge you to predict a timeframe for when the somali insurgency is going into a more fullscale one as you mentionened once. Dare to make any predictions? no? No, I don't dare. Why? Because we aren't moderate Muslims who make predictions. Instead, we hope, pray to Allah and say insha'Allah. So, the insurgency will go into more fullscale mode at the right time (could be soon), insha'Allah.

Originally posted by Sheikh Sakhar: Shoot all the anarchists in the head as it is the only way they know that the government means business. But this is an illegitimate, foreign and traitorous government.

Originally posted by Captain Xalane: Ur cousins are being tamed as i type these words,what makes a ********** like u any better? If what you allege about my cousins is true, then I challenge you to predict the timeframe it would take the foreign government and its occupation allies to tame/pacify Mogadishu. General Duke's prediction got one more month to materialize. Originally posted by TheSomaliEconomist: and look how real hardcore insurgency looks like. You might regret underestimating the Somali insurgency. AFAIK, the Somali insurgency could as well surpass the lethality of its Iraqi counterpart.