Originally posted by Somali_Friend: 1. Ethiopia doesn't make tanks, so how do they know the tanks are ethiopian and not TFG. Is there any proof? That's not a smart question. No one implied Ethiopia manufactures tanks. What's more, no Eastern African country manufactures tanks; it's imported or acquired, and it's a fact known as the sun rising from the East every day. The tanks are Ethiopian, not TFG. What is the purpose of providing any proof? It's too late; Ethiopia underestimated the ICU, it wants war and the ICU will give it more than war. 2. As many somalis can pilot/drive tanks as ethiopians. Does ICU know for sure the tanks are being operated by ethiopians and not somalis? First, a tank isn't piloted; it's aircrafts or warplanes that are piloted. Yes, the ICU knows for sure the tanks are being operated by Ethiopians and not Somalis. Are you kidding? You think the ICU lacks its own intelligence agency (CIA/KGB)?

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: This is dhaqan Soomaali Islaami ah waliba: You are in error. The koofiyad was copied from the Swahili of Zanzibar. The hoosgunti was copied from Southern Indians. The ookiyaal was, well, seriously, you can't claim it's Soomaali dhaqan. The shaati? Com'on, shaati can't be Soomaali dhaqan. Now, this is true Soomaali dhaqan:

Originally posted by raadamiir: but now they are here it makes sense to ask them to help us defeat Alqaida in somalia and their ******** coalition. However, the US, the sole superpower, with the finest and mightiest (including air and sea supremacy) military in the world, failed to defeat Alqaida in Iraq and Afghanistan. The TFG with the help of Ethiopia has better chance? :confused:

Originally posted by raadamiir: When Will The Clan Courts Pick Up Their Dead And Wounded From The Battle Fields? Do you mean the TFG has offered the ICU to pick up their fallen and wounded mujahideens? Or are you challenging the ICU to mount commando operations to retrieve fallen and wounded mujahideens? Get to the point!

Originally posted by peacenow: I believe in a liberal democracy for Somali, yes that includes human rights! Liberal democracy or democracy itself is incompatible with Muslims. Democracy is a Western invention that only seems to work for Westerners. I say seems to work, because in actuality how it's intended to work and how it works in real life are totally different. For example, it's the wishes of the corporate, interest and lobbyist powers that are respected and implemented, not the wishes of the average citizen. Furthermore, human rights are far abused in Western countries than in non-Western countries. What's more, in liberal democracy, a man can have an affair or even marry another man. A pregnant woman can kill her own child. Also, if you're rich enough and kill someone, your money will make it possible for you to legally become innocent from your crime. Just a few examples of what the rosy liberal democracy is about.

Originally posted by General Duke: the clan courts would have published dead fighters if they had some. The bottom line, the ICU hasn't so far published pictures of dead Ethiopians or TFGs, while the TFG happily and gloatingly published pictures of fallen mujahideens.

Originally posted by General Duke: All you have is claims from the courts.. Where are the pics of the dead Ethiopians? or even TFG troops? Why did they leave their dead men behind? These lies of the clan courts will only make the TFG victory seem like the new miracle.. I am not sure the ICU will publish pictures of dead Ethiopians or TFG troops. Is it Islamically correct to publish such pictures? What is there to see about dead soldiers? Is it something to gloat about? The ICU probably has enough pictures of those they have killed, but I am advising them not to publish it, because it's not something to gloat about, and because dead corpses have Islamic rights to be buried or returned to Ethiopia or the TFG. What matters for the ICU is victory, victory without a fuss. You can't say the conduct of the TFG mirrors or will mirror that of the ICU. You have the TFG publishing pictures of fallen mujahideens, killed by the TFG with the help of their Ethiopian patrons. The TFG is gloating at publishing those pictures, which is shameful. You seem certain the TFG is bound for victory. I wouldn't be sure about that. The US, the lone superpower with the finest and mightiest military in the world, failed to defeat Islamists in Iraq and Afghanistan. The TFG with the help of Ethiopia has a chance?

Originally posted by General Duke: Qadsiye, give us a break my man. Even AFP has reported many dead combatants in Moode-Moode. OK. What about Al-Jazeera? Is it a tool of the ICU? The Courts Announce Killing 200 Ethiopian Soldiers, Addis Ababa Denies The Islamic Courts announced it killed 203 soldiers of the Ethiopian Army and wounded hundreds in... Read more...

Gawaari Dagaal iyo Maxaabiis laga qabsaday Tikreega oo la xaqiijiyay in la geeyay Diinsoor. Diinsoor, 21-December-06 ( Qaadisiya.com) Gawaari dagaal oo laga qabsaday ciidamada Tikreega iyo maxaabiis isugu jirta Tikree iyo Soomaali ayaa la xaqiijinayaa in la geeyay degmada Diinsoor ee gobolka Bay kadib markii ciidamada Tikreega lagu soo jabiyay dagaalkii ka dhacay deegaanka Iidaale iyo hareeraha xerada Manaas ee duleedka magaalada Baydhabo. Dagaal culus ayaa maanta ka dhacay aaga Iidaale iyo hareeraha xerada Manaas,waxa uuna dagaalkaasi ahaa mid laysku adeegsaday hubka noocyadiisa kala duwan. Ciidamada Tikreega ee la dagaalamayay mujaahidinta garabkooda ayaa Alla ka baxay,waxaana laga gubay Taangiyo,gaadiid kale oo dagaalna waa laga qabtay. Warar lagu kalsoon yahay oo ay shabakada islaamiga Qaadisiya ka heshay magaalada Diinsoor ayaa xaqiijinaya in degmadaasi ay soo gaareen gaadiid dagaal oo ay ka qabsadeen mujaahidiinta maxkamadaha islaamiga Soomaaliyeed ciidamada Tikreega ee dagaalka kula jiray. Dadka ku dhaqan magaalada Diinsoor ayaa ku soo dhaweeyay mujaahidiinta soo xoreeyay gaadiidka dagaalka, maxaabiistana soo qafaalatay Takbiir,waxa ayna isugu soo baxeen xarun ciidamada maxkamadaha islaamiga ay geeyeen maxaabiista iyo gaadiidka dagaalka si ay u muujiyaan guusha Allaah gaarsiiyay mujaahidiinta jihaadka kula jira ciidamada Tikreega ee ku soo gardarrooday dalka Soomaaliya. 10 gaari oo kuwa dagaalka oo ay leeyihiin ciidamada Tikreega ayaa lagu soo warramayaa in gurmad ahaan loo geeyay aaga Iidaale si ay u xoojiyaan ciidamada Tikreega ee halkaasi ka dagaalamayay oo dabada looga dhacay kuwaasoo ku dhaw in ay u soo baqdaan magaalada Baydhabo. Dhinaca kale diyaaradaha milatari ee dalka Ethiopia ayaa ku hawlan daad gureynta dhaawacyada ciidamada Tikreega ee dagaalka ka qeyb qaadanayaan kadib markii dawo yaro ay soo wajahday cusbitaaladii magaalada Baydhabo ay ka sameysteen,taasoo keentay in dhaawacooda loo qaado magaalada Adis Ababa.

Originally posted by Somali_Friend: Its fake. Only an imposter can say those words. The people of somalia have awakened to the fakery. Thats why even the spokespersons or supreme islamic leader cannot repeat those words anymore. Here on SOL you are the only one I see who can say that. I think enough people have commented on your hipocritical ways, so I leave it at that. You are in error. The jihad call by the ICU isn't fake; it's genuine. The ICU is a genuine Islamic grassroot movement. There can't be fake Islamic movements, if you claim otherwise, then I challenge (I have challenged you before, and you will usually dodge the challenge) you to cite a few examples of fake Islamic movements in recent history. You can't claim it's fake jihad, because you are secular, unlearned and handicapped in issues and matters that relate to Islam or Islamic teachings. And you are wrong, Mr.Red Sea isn't the only one who says JIHAD on ardul xabash, others have said it before, and here I say: JIHAD on Ardul Xabash. Allahu Akbar.

There's a new world order that favors Islamists. Islamists are gaining strength and are bound to control the Islamic world in the near future, insha'Allah. The US, Europe, NATO and other forces cannot defeat Islamists in Afghanistan, Lebanon, Iraq and other parts of the Islamic world. What's (in terms of strength) Ethiopia compared to the US, Europe, NATO, iwm? The Somali region occupied by Ethiopia and Somali region occupied by Kenya (NFD) are part of the Islamic world, and both will be reclaimed by the coming Islamic Empire.

Originally posted by Somali_Friend: Taliban, What calendar do you use for this posting? Do you remember when Khat was banned and when the other things like sports on TV etc? I think you are being less Taliban now? You didn't get it. The term "along" doesn't entail happening at the same calendar. It entails a list, as the ICU has a list of things (muharamat) to ban. In my comment, I am telling you the achievements of the ICU, what it managed to ban, the end result, not whether it managed to ban at the same calendar.

Originally posted by Centurion: Taliban, tell me where have i alleged the ICU is recruiting 'toddlers'? My mistake. I concede I confused a part of your comment with Pi's. As for the font size that has been bothering you, it's no more.

Originally posted by Somali_Friend: Taliban, Is there any doubt that ICU may have done the ban of Khat for other purposes and reasons than morals and religion, small or big doubt? No, no small or big doubt, it was banned for morals and religion. The ICU banned khat along with liquor, narcotics, porno movies, brothels, iwm.

Originally posted by Centurion: But these pictures show very small children <8, who couldn't possibly use a firearm, with kalashnikovs. We see women with Hijaabs policing crowds with kalashnikovs. These are both new sights, and since these pictures are from Xamar, the conclusion is that it due to, or tolerated by the UIC. It's a positive sign that you have corrected yourself. This is how a toddler looks like: Indeed, the very small children <8 couldn't possibly use a firearm, with kalashnikovs, and despite that, you allege the UIC is recruiting toddlers. What kind of allegation is that? You claim we see women with Hijaabs policing crowds with kalashnikovs; who are you referring to "we"? I see only one hijabified woman holding a Kalashnikov and she's not policing the crowd. She's taking part of an anti-Ethiopia rally. Please read the article and the caption in the pictures in order to make an informed opinion or comment: Somalia’s Islamists and Ethiopia Gird for a War

Originally posted by General Duke: Shame on you fake Shiekhs. When it comes to Islamists, there are only genuine Islamists, never fake Islamists. How is that? Only genuine Islamists can dare show their Islamism. No seculars, qabiilists, clanists or non-Islamists can dare disguise themselves as Islamists. If you think what I have stated is wrong, then I challenge you to cite a few examples of fake Islamists in modern history.

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: Compare it the picture taken in '80s in the same area below. Of all the pictures of Mogadishu, you only managed to find one with the Catholic church and cross? What could be beautiful about a church that used to take advantage of Somalis (especially children) by evangelizing them through questionable methods? :confused:

Originally posted by Northerner: Is he? I wonder what name he uses? Bashir Goth has written a sizable number of articles and poems (in both Somali and English), and if you keenly observe his writing style/signature and compare it to his topics/comments in the forums, then it shouldn't be difficult to know what name he uses.

Originally posted by Sheikh Fiqqikhayre: This folks needed to be put down for once and all, no mercy shall be shown, just kill them where ever you see them. Make them taste their own medicine, then maybe the red fox will realise how ignorant really he is! And who will make that possible? Armchair unqualified political analysts from their computers, like you? A new US/EU military intervention? The problem is, there are only very few secular Somalis who are willing to sacrifice themselves. On the other hand, there are hundreds thousands Islamists who are gladly willing to sacrifice themselves for the cause of Islam, defending Somalia from its enemies, ruling Somalia with Sharia', establishing permanent peace in Somalia, iwm. In the past, the West used to help secular Somalis succeed, but the West itself is today failing to defeat Islamists in Afghanistan, Lebanon, Iraq and other parts of the Islamic world. If you didn't know, there's a new world order in favor for Islamists!

Bashir Goth is an active and longtime member of Somaliaonline and Somalinet forums.

Originally posted by Centurion: And i do not think i have seen such small children and women sport kalashnikovs before, it seems to have arisen during this UIC era, which is quite worrying. That's what you do not think. Thinking and knowing are different. Had you been following Somalia's news during the past 15 years, then you would have known small children and women sporting Kalashnikovs isn't a new phenomenon arisen during this UIC era. Because Somalia is now on 24 hours news (thanks to the UIC), you only know about recent news and pictures. You don't know what was happening in the pre-UIC era, so make sure the phenomenon is new and didn't exist in the pre-UIC era.

15) They have banned the business of making liquor and drugs, a business that has prospered under the rule of secular warlords, a business that will flourish should the TFG rule Somalia. More: http://www.qaadisiya.com/2006/December/maxkamadda_yaaqshiid_oo_xashiishleey_soo_qabtay.htm

Originally posted by Pi: I have one question though. It's a serious question. Is the ICU so desperately in need of foot soldiers that they have to recruit women and toddlers? No, the ICU isn't so desperately in need of foot soldiers; they have more than enough. The ICU doesn't employ conscription (mandatory military service, also called "the draft") to recruit foot soldiers. When a need (war, defensive or offensive jihad, iwm) arises for foot soldiers, the ICU calls for jihad (as was recently done by leaders of the ICU), and volunteers answer the call. Some of the sisters volunteer, that's what you see in the pictures. A number of volunteers come all the way from the US, Canada and Europe. As for the toddlers you have seen in the pictures, you shouldn't be asking such irrelevant question because you perfectly know toddlers (you mean children, but I'll go along with how you describe them) can't carry an AK-47 let alone fire it. Toddlers are there to emulate their role models. This kind of emulation is found in all walks of life including sports, praying salat, iwm.

Indeed, beautiful pictures. Unlike KEYNAN22, I find the women in the pictures beautiful. The hijabified sisters are masha'Allah. I see positive hope and development in those pictures.

The US, the coalition of the coerced and bribed and NATO cannot defeat Islamists in Afghanistan, Lebanon, Iraq and other parts of the Islamic world. Defeat and humiliated exit is bound for the US and its allies. Ethiopia cannot defeat Somalia's Islamists. Defeat and humiliated exit is bound for Ethiopia and its secular Somali allies.