Originally posted by Khalaf: u need not to look far sxb check on the masjids and islamic organizations....we cant even celebrate eid on the same day in the same city.... But those masjids are located in the West. In Muslim countries, it's different. For instance, in Somalia, all Muslims celebrate Eid on the same day. Your analogy is unfair.

Originally posted by Sheikh Fiqqikhayre: Put on new clothes , live a praise-worthy life and die as a martyr. Are you suggesting that I come to the rally so that I can die as a martyr? :confused:

Originally posted by Khalaf: Its unrealistic to have shariah in Somalia now or anywhere else in the muslim ummah. 1: the enemies are many 2: the muslim public is not trained/ready. Somalia had Sharia' for 6 months. The majority of Somalis benefitted from Sharia'; it offered them security, justice, trust, better productivity, environmental protection, iwm. Therefore, it's not unrealistic to have Sharia' in Somalia now or anytime in the future. The problem, as I have outlined, is with the constitutions of Ethiopia and the US; both ban Somalis from adopting Sharia'. And you are wrong; the (majority of the) Muslim public is ready for Sharia', has always been ready for it. If you think I am wrong, poll SOL members.

Originally posted by LIQAYE: what is the alternative? what is the alternative? what is the alternative? what is the alternative? what is the alternative? oh and a realistic alternative please,,wet dreams on the other side of the aisle. A realistic alternative; the TFG adopts Sharia' as the system that will govern Somalis. Unfortunately, the constitutions of Ethiopia and the US forbid Somalis from adopting Sharia' as their system of governance.

Originally posted by Caano Geel: A puppet government is better than a series of warring fiefdoms. A government that is based on baadhil is better?

Originally posted by Sheikh Fiqqikhayre: I gurantee you everyone is welcome. Do you welcome ICU supporters?

Originally posted by raadamiir: They begged the Government to allow them to enter Mogdishu so they can see their families again and Geedi has allowed that and just that. Aren't warlords Abdullahi Yusuf, Aidid, Qaybdid and others part of the TFG government? How can the president and ministers of the the same government beg "the Government to allow them to enter Mogdishu"? :confused:

Originally posted by somaliresistance: Revenge against the dirty Amxaaros is sweeter than the dirty Dabadhilifs. I disagree with you or anyone who disparages/vilifies Ethiopians (or the enemy) as "dirty", "injirleey", "fuleey", iwm. When you do that, you're full of pride. Being full of pride and being a Muslim do not mix. When you disparage/vilify your enemy, you underestimate him and become irrational. When you become irrational, you don't use your mind or intelligence; instead, you use your emotions. Being emotional doesn't defeat an enemy. What's more, we are not to fight the Ethiopians for revenge; we are to fight them for Islaanimo.

Zenawi is politician; it's a fact politicians lie. Weeks ago, Zenawi was saying there were only few hundreds Ethiopian trainers in Somalia, which wasn't true. In any case, whether the Ethiopian occupiers stay in or pullout of Somalia will not factor. Jihad against the TFG and Ethiopia will continue.

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: YES THEY DID ACCUSE THEM ,,,,, didn't you the 60+ page report submitted to the UN ?? ,,,, You better read it ,,,, it was even posted on SOL somewhere ,,,,,,,,,,,, You didn't get it. I didn't ask why the UN didn't accuse Djibouti, Eriteria, Egypt, Yemen, etc of supporting the ICU. No. Once again, I asked why the US didn't make accusations. The UN doesn't factor, because it's irrelevant. It has already made allegations (720 ICU Islamist fighting alongside Hezbollah against Israel) that were discredited. So the challenge for you is to produce a link or two in which the US accuses Djibouti, Eriteria, Egypt, Yemen, etc of supporting the ICU.

Originally posted by Baashi: Embrace TFG before it is too late. Why? Why? Why embrace traitors? They "invited" the Ethiopians, fought side by side with them, displaced tens thousands, bombed and slaughtered thousands innocent Somalis. Somalia, a country with very low HIV/AIDS prevalence is bound to become a country with the highest HIV/AIDS prevalence, thanks to the TFG. The TFG will rule Somalia with a constitution based on human laws (English, French, iwm), not a constitution ordained by Islam (Sharia'). That means alcohol consumption, abortion, illegal sexual relationships, same-sex relationships, prostitution, gambling, interest and usury will be allowed in Somalia. So no, I don't see how we (well at least me) can embrace the TFG.

Originally posted by blue_hefner: however,what is mentioned here prohibts a permenant girlfriend "referring to those couples live together" or going no further than friendship. You are in error. The fatwa prohibits permanent girlfriend, temporary girlfriend, and having girlfriend altogether. But you can date someone while your intention is to marry the person. With all due respect, dating is something only non-Muslims can practice; Muslims cannot practice it. Unless you have redefined the meaning "dating", you, I and others know what it means. It's true you can see the face of the girl you want to marry, have conversation with her in front of mahrams; but that's not dating. but talking with someone as she/he is considerably someone to marry, is another way of saying girlfriend, qofteyda, mustaqbal keyga, or whatever you call. You are in error; it's not another way of saying girlfriend, mustaqbal keyga, or whatever you call. Someone you are to marry is your future wife/husband, nothing less or more. The definition of girlfriend/boyfriend is clear; it's not someone you are going to marry.

Originally posted by blue_hefner: Says who? Any daliil (evidence) Title: Having a Girlfriend: Permissible? Question: What Does Islam say about having girfriends or boyfriends? In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger. Dear bother in Islam, thank you very much for having confidence in us, and we implore Allah to guide you to the best and to direct you to that which pleases Him, Amen. It stands to reason that having a girlfriend is not the manner of a Muslim. It is forbidden for a male Muslim to have a girlfriend, as it is forbidden for a female Muslim to have a boyfriend. Tackling this point in details, Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi, former president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) states: Muslims should have good relations with all people, males as well as females, at school, at work, in you neighborhood etc. You should be kind and courteous to everyone. However, it is not allowed in Islam to take a non-mahram person or persons of the opposite gender as a very close friend. Such friendship often leads to haram. In the Qur’an, Allah mentioned that good men and women are those who marry, do not have fornicating relationships and do not have "paramours" or Akhdan see An-Nisaa’: 25, Al-Ma'idah: 5). Akhdan are "sweethearts" or for a man a "mistress" and for a woman a "lover". The Prophet, peace and blessings be upom him, is reported to have stated that “whenever two strangers of the opposite gender are alone with each other, Satan becomes the third one between them.” (At-Tirmidhi)” So it is not allowed for a Muslim boy to have a girlfriend or for a Muslim girl to have a boyfriend. Howsoever pure your intentions may be, the danger is that it will lead you to sin. Or at least you will be alone with each other and spend more time together. Thus, you should be friendly with your classmates, boys and girls both; but do not take a girl as your intimate friend. Of course, homosexuality is also forbidden in Islam. So do not take a boy either as your intimate friend in the "gay sense" of the word. If your friend, not girlfriend, is interested in Islam, by all means help her to become Muslim. Give her the Islamic books and ask her to attend Islamic meetings and lectures. Let her accept Islam by her own will. Do not force her or put any pressure on her to become Muslim. May Allah bless you and keep you on the right path. Shedding more light on this, the eminent Muslim scholar, Sheikh Muhammad Al-Hanooti, member of the North American Fiqh Council, states: A friendship wth the opposite sex is not of Islam. It used to be of the Jahiliyyah (pre-Islamic era) style of life. A friendship of the two sexes can never be safe or sex-free. I agree that in some exceptional cases, it could be innocent. But, a law is usually amended for social regulations. There is no law to be customized for a certain person or few people. The Qur'an and Sunnah guidance for the sexes dealing with each other has a main major issue for which Islam has set principles and rules to govern. It is the desire and lust. The Qur'an prohibits anything that motivates one's heart in a seductive way towards the other. The Qur'an tells a woman when she speaks to a man to speak in a way that doesn't show any interest in him lest he should feel seduced to build up an unhealthy relationship. If there is a possibility in any kind of action that it could lead by some percentage into catastrophe, no one will ever take that risk. I can say what you call friendship could have some percentage of leading into haram. How would you go to that risk whereas if a doctor says to you an operation of a certain organ could lead you into death? You would say I don't want to risk my life, but I will take the pain. Firstly, this is a deen but not a man's opinion. Lastly, if you take it, you certainly will be on the safe side. If you want to follow reason, reason has a lot of defects and sometimes we cannot draw the line to know who is sane and who is insane. Sometimes you cannot know which is which. IslamOnline.net

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: So Taliban ,, i guess you want to hear only what you want to believe huh ?? ,,,, Djibouti, Eriteria, Egypt, Yemen, etc. they all supported ICU one side or another ,,,, believe it or not that was da situation ,,,, I'm glad now Egypt is begging Ethiopia for a lil mercy ,,,,,,,,,,,, damn it they should know this before ,,,,, No, I don't want to hear only what I want to believe. You got that wrong. You allege Djibouti, Eriteria, Egypt, Yemen, etc supported the ICU. That means those countries supported a "terrorist" movement. If that's the case, how come the US didn't accuse those countries of supporting a "terrorist" movement? How come the US didn't condemn those countries? I mean, does Ethiopia or the TFG has better intelligence than the US' CIA/FBI? The US has a military base in Djibouti where hundreds of American troops (including special forces, CIA/FBI agents) are stationed; how come they didn't know about Djibouti's support for the ICU? The US has leverage on the secular governments of Djibouti, Eriteria, Egypt and Yemen. What's more; Djibouti, Eriteria, Egypt and Yemen are part of the US' coalition of the "War on Terror." It's absurd to allege those countries supported the ICU, a "terrorist" movement that's sheltering Al-Qaida "terrorists." BTW, I didn't hear or read Egypt begged Ethiopia for a "lil mercy"; care to provide the link? Thank you.

Originally posted by blue_hefner: This topic may sound odd, but I just wanna get an idea if anyone of you men would marry if you end up Dambi (sex) with your Girl friend. For a Muslim, it's odd to have a girlfriend.

We wish him the best luck in his future endeavors. Please join us in congratulating him and wishing him well. I wish Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed the best in this life and the next one. Allahu Akbar.

Somalia had myriad of heroes, but none like Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed, the young chairman of the now toppled Union of Islamic Courts (UIC,) who spearheaded an unflinching public uprising campaign that ended a decade and half of turmoil in Mogadishu and South-Central Somalia. Hiiraan Online recognizes Sh. Ahmed as the person of the year 2006 for his profound contribution to that short-lived effort. We understand that Sh. Ahmed and the UIC are no longer in the political arena of Somalia, (at least for now), following Ethio-TFG’s incursion, but Sh. Ahmed’s legacy lives with us, ostensibly forever. The son of pious a father, Sh. Ahmed mastered the Qur’an and Islamic theology at puberty. He later studied law at a Libyan university. He was barely known beyond Jubba high school, where he taught geography and history during late 1990’s to early 2000. At some point, a valedictorian student of him was kidnapped by one the nefarious Mogadishu warlords for ransom. Aghast by this action, he assembled a force that successfully freed the student. This victory provided him a daring conviction that he could put a squeezing halt on the notorious kidnapping-for-ransom business in the CC neighborhood, where he lived and worked. He was elected to head the Islamic Court of CC, which soon annihilated the organized gang activity in Towfiiq. Sh. Ahmed realized that all organized gang and warlord activity could be curbed with courage and conviction. He embarked on an audacious plan to improvise a unified umbrella for more than the 30 individual Mogadishu Islamic courts, operated by distrustful clans. Thought to be impossible, he detached almost all Islamic courts from their clans and amalgamated them into a new force, dubbed “The Union of Islamic Courts (UIC.)” The new UIC jittered the foundation of Mogadishu warlords, who jumped hoops to cajole Washington’s deep pockets for anything labeled “anti-terrorism.” Before we knew, the CIA was bankrolling a new, unprecedented alliance, aptly called “The Alliance for Peace and Counter-terrorism.” It was doomed alliance. The UIC, under the deft leadership of Sh. Ahmed, crushed the warlords to near death, and pacified Mogadishu for the first time in 16 years. UIC removed nearly 300 roadblocks around the country, re-commissioned Mogadishu International airport and seaport, all the while extending its hand to the Baydhabo-holed Transitional Federal Government (TFG.) In the process, Sh. Ahmed, 43, was often referred to as the “moderate face of the UIC” in the Western media. Indeed, he developed an aura that appealed to all walks of the society, including his enemy. He’s famous for his superior oratory skills and negotiation capacity. Simply, he might be the best leader Somalia has ever known. His tenure was ended last week with Ethiopia’s invasion of Somalia, while helping the Transition Feferal Government. Hiiraan Online recognizes Sh. Sharif Sh. Ahmed as the person of the year 2006, not only for his magnanimous personality, but for spearheading a fledgling, non-monolithic group, which, at times, overstepped its powers, and, at other times, underestimated its enemies. Whatever the cause of failure of the UIC maybe, Sh. Ahmed epitomized peace for six historic months in Somalia, where he captured the stage by every stretch of the imagination. Without him, Mogadishu, dotted with the tanks of Somalia’s once arch enemy, fear and confusion is lurking in the minds of its embattled residents, as a new chapter of their live opens, rather precipitously. We wish him the best luck in his future endeavors. Please join us in congratulating him and wishing him well. Hiiraan.com

Originally posted by LIQAYE: " Egypt: The government has allegedly provided training in support of ICU. On July 26, 2006, a meeting took place in Mogadishu between officials from ICU and visiting Libyan, Egyptian and Eritrean senior military officers at the residence of ICU finance chief Abdulkadir Abukar Omar Adani. According to the report, the meeting resolved that military training be provided to about 3,800 fighters at the Hilweyne military barracks, near Bal'ad town, north of Mogadishu." That's from Wikipedia under the title "Alleged military support to the ICU." Under the same title (scroll a bit down), there's this allegation: _________ Hezbollah: Supposedly, the Hezbollah movement has provided military training to ICU and has made arrangements with other states on behalf of ICU for the latter to receive arms. In mid-July 2006, ICU apparently sent about 720 men to Lebanon to fight alongside Hezbollah against the Israeli military. The Somali force was personally selected by ICU's Hizbul Shabaab (youth movement) leader Aden Hashi Farah "Eyrow." One of the selection criteria was an individual's combat experience, which might include experience in Afghanistan. In exchange for the contribution of the Somali military force, Hezbollah arranged for additional support to be given to ICU by the governments of Iran and Syria. _________ This allegation (by the United Nations) of 720 ICU men sent to support Hezbollah has been discredited. The allegation has killed the little that was left of the United Nation's integrity, impartiality, reputation, iwm. Look, I can register at Wikipedia and write an allegation alleging George W. Bush is an Islamist, but then it would be an allegation, nothing more.

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: may be you were in a jail or something during this period ,,,, YES they did support them politically and financially ,,,,,,,,,, not only egypt but almost all the Arab countries Maybe. However, we are in the Information Age, you can't make allegations or claims without a backup. Do you have a link or two to backup your allegation? I am asking because I know secular governments cannot support Islamist movements. For a number of reasons, the most important; the West will not allow them to provide such support. Are you saying America didn't condemn the Egyptian government for supporting an Islamist movement it consdiers terrorist?

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: why did they support the ICU while they are a secular administration ?? Care to backup your allegation? In what capacity (military, economic, iwm) did the Egyptian government help the ICU? Originally posted by LIQAYE: Afganistan was not saved by islamists, but rather by afghani militias financed and logistically supported by arab petrodollars and pakistani training. Incorrect. Afghanistan was saved from the Soviet by Al-Qaida and Afghan mujahideens (i.e. Islamists). The bulk of financial support come from wealthy individual Islamists. Pakistan (at the time headed by the Islamist leader Zia Ul-Haq and the Islamist intelligence agency) provided intelligence, logistical, training and other supports. The Americans provided limited weapons and arms support.

Egypt is led by a secular government. Its government is very weak because of secularism and nationalism. Its government cannot guarantee its own survival without the aid and support of the West. Its government can do nothing about defending a Muslim country invaded and occupied by non-Muslims. This is true for all secular and nationalist governments in the Muslim world. Only Islamists have what it takes to defend and free their countries from invasion, occupation, iwm. Afghanistan was freed from the Soviet occupation by Islamists. Iraq and Afghanistan will be freed from the American occupation by Islamists, insha'Allah. So will Somalia. Allahu Akbar.

MAXAANU CIIDNAA MABA CASHAYNEE. CALANKAN MOOYEE CALAF MA AHAYNEE.

I am not surprised the invasion had an economic dimension. Afterall, khat is a multi-million dollar business for Kenya and Ethiopia.

Originally posted by LANDER: That's is precisely what I was looking for, do you know if there's an english version of the article? can't find it on Al-jazeera english. I will check if there's an English version on AlJazeera or other sites and post it if I find one, insha'Allah.

US Troops Take Part Of Pursuing The Courts In Somalia Washington admitted its special forces stationed in the Republic of Djibouti, a country in the Horn of Africa, is taking part with the Ethiopian and TFG forces in pursuing leaders of the Islamic Courts and those it calls terrorists. More: AlJazeera