Originally posted by Captain Xalane: A job is a job. I agree. However, you didn't answer the question; is the job of traitor or collaborator better than the job of warden?

Originally posted by Khalaf: ....hence being labeled progressive/secular/islamofacist and muslim is a contridition...... That's why you admit you're in contradiction, because you claimed: ppl can label themselves or be labeled

Originally posted by General Duke: The picture of the clan president is too dark; there should have been enough illumination.

Originally posted by Khalaf: remember that chick who became the first female "imam" and lead mixed prayers? her n her crew were progressive "muslims"....thats just an example sxb...ppl can label themselves or be labeled What's with the contradiction? In your earlier comment, you claimed people cannot be labeled, and now you claim they can be. Which one is it? If the latter, where are your Islamic sources that say people can be labeled "progressive"?

Originally posted by Captain Xalane: Sheikh dahir aweys,otherwise known as Warden Captain Xassan Dahir. You're implying the profession of warden is an inferior profession? Are you saying being a traitor or collaborator is better than being a warden?

I am curious; if Somalia becomes oil rich, will it become a country like Nigeria with its corruption, mismanagement, poverty, iwm or a country like the UAE with its investments, developments and progresses?

Originally posted by me: Their father either left or is in the marfash and their mother is in some sort of money saving scheme, building house in Dubai or Somalia, while her kids don't get fedprobarly or get all the stuff they want (nike's, playsation etc etc). My point is I don't blame the kids I blame those parents. I don't blame the kids nor their parents. I lay the blame squarely on UK's values, morals and standards. The UK is the worst place to raise children.

If Jackson is serious and becomes a Muslim, he should follow Yusuf Islam's example.

Originally posted by -Serenity-: Waa markaad daawatay Inan fiican! You got it wrong; I stopped immediately after seeing the first image.

Originally posted by Khalaf: aight brah then lets leave the labeling of Muslims into: "moderates progressive, secular, islamists....and this time islamo-facists".ect to the non-Muslims..... How can we leave the labeling when there are Muslims who identify themselves as moderates, liberals, progressives, iwm? How can we leave the labeling when there are active organizations or associations in which Muslims identify themselves distinctively (moderates, liberals, progressives, iwm)? You ask about the whereabouts of Islamic sources in regard to the labeling of Muslims; what about Muslims who identify or call themselves Shia, Druze, Alawite, Ismaili, Submitters, Ahmadiyya, Sufi, iwm? We cannot identify or label them as such because there's no Islamic sources? The other thing, there are no Muslims who call themselves extremist, fanatic, fundamentalist, Islamo-fascist, radical, Wahhabi, iwm. But there are Muslims who call themselves moderate, liberal, progressive, iwm.

Originally posted by Khalaf: I c u get your information from cut n paste like en.wikipedia. Obviously, you don't understand what cut n paste means; it means pasting contents, not links.

Originally posted by David_Letterman: this is the classic mistake many people make they have this mindset that the eurocentric coined ''true negro'' + Caucasian = Somalis or Ethiopians Are the ''true negro'' the true Africans?

Armed youths guard a road following mortar attacks aimed at government positions in Mogadishu, February 21, 2007. REUTERS/Shabelle Media Heavy fighting breaks out in Mogadishu MOGADISHU (Reuters) - Somali government troops and their Ethiopian allies battled unidentified gunmen on Friday in the capital Mogadishu. Two Reuters reporters in the area could hear tank shells exploding and intense gunfire exchanges for over 15 minutes. Residences in the area, near an Ethiopian and government base at the former defence ministry in northern Mogadishu, were struck by stray bullets and shells during the fighting, they said. A resident said the gunmen hit the defence ministry with mortars and rockets. "The government soldiers and Ethiopians fired back using heavy artillery as well as tanks. The fighting continued for close to 20 minutes," said a resident who lives across from the building but declined to give his name for fear of reprisal. There was no immediate word on casualties. The interim government and its Ethiopian allies have been hit with near-daily attacks by unidentified gunmen in the Horn of Africa country's seaside capital. They blame the remnants of a hardline Islamist movement they drove out of Mogadishu and southern Somalia in a two-week joint offensive before the New Year, saying the militant group is paying $100 for each attack -- a fortune in the poor country. The Islamists, who ruled much of southern Somalia for six months until they were defeated in early January, have vowed to fight an insurgency against the government and Ethiopia. Mogadishu is awash in military weapons and people with a grudge against the transitional government, the 14th attempt at establishing central rule in a country without since the 1991 ouster of dictator Mohamed Siad Barre. The government is awaiting the deployment of African Union peacekeepers to replace the Ethiopian troops and help stabilise Somalia -- a daunting task for a pan-African body that has struggled to keep peace in Sudan's violent Darfur region.

Originally posted by samuraiW: What does Islamist mean? What does Sharia mean? Perhaps you wish to provide a definition first and foremost before one could subscribe to your credence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIBERAL_MUSLIMS

Originally posted by Taako Man: There is only one islam. Not a clan islam. Nor a moderate or islamist islam. JUST ONE ISLAM. Are we talking about Islam or Muslims? Are you saying Islam and Muslims are the same? You couldn't be more than wrong. It's true there's only one Islam, but there are different types of Muslims. There's the weak, strong, munafiq, murtad, moderate, liberal, progressive, Islamist, fundamentalist, extremist, Islamo-fascist, iwm Muslim.

Originally posted by Taako Man: Basically his clansmen have been reportedly, allegedly, and associated with incidents. No proof of the matter that he's killed anybody. Their are only reports and allegations. Anyhow, WHERE ARE THE GENOCIDES IN BARI?. Or are you still looking throw the web MR TALIBAN . The clan president is the leader of his militia; he's responsible for whatever crimes they commit. Furthermore, the clan president probably issued an executive order to kill those his militia were reported to have killed. As for the "GENOCIDES IN BARI", I didn't say "GENOCIDE", however hundreds of innocents were killed since the early 90's by the clan president's militia. When the clan president and his clan administration in Bari are toppled, relatives of those killed by his militia will step forward and tell the truth. It's even possible mass graves could be discovered.

Originally posted by Taako Man: What proof? A tip of the iceberg proof: Implicated in extrajudicial killings The U.S. Department of State, in its 2002 Country Report on Human Rights Practices, identifies milita members loyal to Ahmed as being responsible for at least two deliberate killings of non-combatants while he was president of the disputed regional state of Puntland: * On January 11, 2002, Garah Mohammed Said Gom'ad, a prominent businessman, was reportedly killed by forces of Yusuf Ahmed in a deliberate attack in which Yusuf's militia reportedly stopped his car and Gom'ad was fatally shot. *On August 17 2002, Sultan Ahmed Mohammed Hurre, a British citizen, was killed by bodyguards in the employ of Yusuf Ahmed as their respective convoys passed each other approximately two miles south of the Puntland town of Garowe. Hurre was known for opposing the extension of Ahmed's presidency in the state of Puntland; according to the press reports, he was targeted by Ahmed for arrest as a religious extremist. Ahmed later claimed that the killing was accidental, but witnesses claimed otherwise. The Country Report says that by the end of 2002 no action had been taken against those responsible for the killings. Militias associated with Yusuf Ahmed have also been implicated in the killings of Col. Farah Mohamed Said ("Farah Dheere") in Garowe in 2002, and of traditional leader Malaaq Seemow Abdi Garuunin Baidoa, on June 9, 2006. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullahi_Yusuf

Originally posted by KEYNAN22: Anyway there is no proof of abdullahi yusuf being involved in the disgusting slaughter of somali civilians and the man made famine in the south and moqdishu region during the 90's. He was busy building peace in puntland during this period, so calling him a mass killer is a bit dishonest and misplaced. There's clear proof of the clan president Abdullahi Yusuf being involved in the slaughter of innocent civilians, in both Bari and other regions. It's only natural a warlord would engage in slaughtering innocent civilians, therefore, Abdullahi Yusuf being one of the top warlords, he couldn't evade the handiwork and trademark of warlords. Of course, to the clan president's close kins and inner circles, he's not a warlord and war criminal.

3 questions for you: 1. Do you support Sharia'? 2. Do you support the ICU? 3. Do you identify yourself as a moderate or Islamist?

Istaghfurullah!

Originally posted by Tone: I think Munafiq is the right word to desribe him... Munafiq is worse than Kaafir.

Originally posted by Biixi: So If someone disagrees with your ambitions that makes them automatically a Kaafir? It doesn't necessarily has to be someone who disagrees with your ambitions; it could be someone who does kufr actions, thereby making him/her Kaafir.

Originally posted by KEYNAN22: Yusuf wasn't involved in the Cival War that destroyed Somalia and killed half million Somalians. Incorrect. The clan president, Abdullahi Yusuf, was involved in the civil war, in both the region he ruled with an iron fist and other regions. His forces were responsible for the killing of thousands of innocent Somalis. Let's also not forget he's responsible for the death of thousands innocent Somalis since the invasion and occupation of Somalia. Besides, the fact that he associates with other known warlords and war criminals (Caydiid, Hiraale, Shaati-Gaduud, Qaybdiid, Yalaxoow, Qaanyare, iwm) makes him an accessory to their crimes.

I don't get why S.T.U.P.I.D or S.T.U.P.I.D.I.T.Y is censored. I don't see why the term cannot be applied to someone's comment, viewpoint, opinion, iwm.

The Medieval era is associated with ignorance, superstitiousness, backwardness, iwm; how could Muslims have been advanced? I am asking the question, because moderate Muslims complain about Islamists wanting to take us to the Medieval era.