Originally posted by tHe oNe aNd OnLy: so bottom line... wat form of dikir is acceptible if any? Dikr isn't fard or sunnah. As a Muslim, you're not required to practice dikr.

Originally posted by Captain Xalane: All the same,willingly or unwillingly those pple and any any other individuals or organizations that tries to oppose the Government will be liquidated. The clan president, his collaborators and the occupiers better get out of Somalia. Otherwise, willingly or unwillingly, the insurgency will use force to kick them out of Somalia.

Originally posted by Khalaf: source I checked your source and the article you copy-pasted. Your article doesn't state who read/wrote the Khutba; that's weird. As far as everyone knows, the article could have been written by a Shia, Qur'an-aloner, Ismaili, iwm. Until you provide the name of the person who read/wrote the Khutba, I cannot comment on your copy-pasted article. The other thing, the front page of the link you provided appears suspicious: http://www.witness-pioneer.org/

Originally posted by Cara: Didn't Yusuf Islam release a pop album recently? Proof? Please, make sure that "pop album" reflects what it's or what we know, and is in par with pop albums by known stars like Britney. Thanks.

The constitution is amendable, and they probably will amend it because of "war times" and fighting "terrorism." In any case, a vote of confidence amounts to nothing; it's force that changes the realities on the ground.

The clan president is the worst warlord. Why? Because thanks to his executive order authorizing invasion and occupation, thousands of innocent Somalis have been massacred by Ethiopian occupiers, US gunships and warplanes. And certainly, he's the top war criminal.

Originally posted by Caano Geel: you reckon he's gonna 'thrill' the ulma? He could lead a dignified lifestyle away from the spotlights serving Islam and Muslims, like Yusuf Islam.

Originally posted by MKA Yoonis: Anyway SOL's Caamir was in the crowd: Is that really him? If so, he seems mild-mannered.

Originally posted by Hunguri: So, what makes you go for an English Dictionary. While you can easyly differentiate "Islam" and "Muslim". You sound like Khalaf. You, I and others know we aren't differentiating "Islam" and "Muslim." We are differentiating the many types of Muslims. Like Muslims who collaborate with the enemy against other Muslims, Muslims who date, Muslims who drink beer, Muslims who eat non-Halal food, Muslims who observe Islamic teachings, Muslims who sacrifice their lives and money for the cause of Allah, Muslims who play lottery, Muslims who slander Islam, Muslims who obey half of Islam while rejecting the other half, iwm. Clearly, all those Muslims cannot be one type of Muslims. That's where the English language comes, identifying and labeling who's who. Even Islam and our own local languages identify and label different types of Muslims, like munaafiq Muslim, murtad Muslim, iwm.

Originally posted by Caano Geel: who cares? You would rather him stay a non-Muslim?

Originally posted by Dhubad: Wadaada need some digital cameras walaahi...They should learn from Iraqi insargent!! Be careful for what you wish for, less it becomes a reality. In any case, the Somali insurgency is on the footsteps of the Iraqi insurgency.

Originally posted by Hunguri: Where do you bring the word "Islamist" from???? I bring it from the language, English, in which we are discussing or debating. In English, a true Muslim who practices his/her Deen is called Islamist (Salafi, Wahhabi, iwm), and a Muslim who doesn't practice and violates the teachings of Islam is called moderate (liberal, progressive, iwm). Of course, we can discuss in Somali and not use those terms, but many members cannot read it, plus it will be unfair to the non-Somali members or visitors.

Originally posted by Rahima: 1. YES. 2. ABSOLUTELY YES. 3. Whilst I consider myself a Muslim, the munaafiqs and kaafirs would consider me an Islamist. Thanks for the candid answers. Originally posted by Hunguri: Do you identify your self as an Islam??? That's a very incorrect question. Do you even understand what you have asked? You are asking if one identifies him/herself as a religion. Adding "an" in your question, you imply there are many Islams. So, your question is simply nonsensical. Please revise it and state what you meant. Thank you.

Originally posted by mwafrica: What are your thoughts on the following? Far better militarily superior, better financed, racially preferred (Caucasian), more number peacekeepers have been in Somalia in the early 90's. Somalia's Islamic insurgency has grassroots support from the majority of Somalis (both at home and in the diaspora), while the warlords of the 90's had limited support. I don't see how African peacekeepers can succeed where Caucasians have failed. The argument that African peacekeepers will be more brutal and less sensitive to Amnesty International and the media's condemnations-- simply will not work. Most important, the coming withdrawal of occupiers from Iraq and Afghanistan will have a ripple effect on Somalia's occupiers.

Originally posted by raadamiir: Corruption has no room in Somalia at the moment the government should do everything in it's power to fight it. Are you kidding? Corruption is the hallmark of the clan government.

Madaxwayanaha DFKM oo kulan kaga qayb galay Xarunta Chatham House ee London(Ceebi maxey ka qaadi Cabdullahi Yusuf)? Ceebtii ugu xumeyd oo C/llaahi Yuusuf ku qabsatay Xarunta Chatham House ee London kadib dood halkaasi lagu qabtay!!!!!! Kulan Maalintii shalay ay soo abaabuleen Chatham House, oo ah xarun cilmi baaris oo magac iyo mug ku leh arrimaha xiriirka caalamiga ah islamarkaana xagga siyaasadda kala taliya dowladda UK, ayaa lagu casuumay Abdullahi Yusuf oo halkaas ka akhriyey qoraal uu ugu tala galay goobta. Kulanka ayaa u dhacay sidan: Markii uu Abdullahi Yusuf soo galay oo uu fariistay ayaa waxaa gadaal ka soo galay safiirka Ethiopia u fadhiya UK, markaas ayuu Cabdullahi yiri, war safiirka horay ha la soo fadhiisiyo. Sally Healy ayaa shir guddoonka goobta aheyd waxeyna ku bilowday inay arrimaha Somalia la socotay 30kii sano ee la soo dhaafay, ka dib ayey bilowday inay ka hadasho taariikhda Abdullahi Yusuf oo ay tiri waxuu ku dhashay Gaalka'yo, Mudug, markaas ayuu Abdullahi soo booday oo yiri ma Mudug baad tagtey (have you been to Mudug) oo dadka ay ka fajaceen fahmeena inuusan fahmin inay ka hadleysay taariikhdiisa. Markii ay ku soo dhoweysay Abdullhi Yusuf ayaa isla markiiba weydiiyey islaanta magaceeda, oo ay tiri Sally, ka dibna uu yiri Mrs Sall thank you (tanoo ah khalad oo marka la isticmaalo Mrs waa inuu la socdaa surname ka oo ay noqotaa Mrs Healy), ka dib ayuu sii waday oo uu u mahadceliyey safiirka Ethiopia u fadhiya UK oo uu uga mahadceliyey soo qaban qaabinta kulanka iyo inuu ka shaqeeyey kulamadii uu la yeeshay Lord Triesman oo isagu wasaarada arrimaha debeda u qaabilsan arrimaha Afrika iyo Hilary benn oo ah xogahaya arrimaha horumarinta caalamiga ah ee xukuumada Tony Blair. Ka dib Abdullahi Yusuf ayaa si jajab ah ku akhriyey warqaddii hortaalay, 10 daqiiqo ka dib isagoo sii maraya bogga labaad ayaa wiilashii la socday mid soo booday oo ku yiri jooji, ka dibna soo qabtay qoraal kale, odaygana dhegta ugu sheegay in qoraalkii uu aqrinaayey uusan sax aheyn. Abdullahi oo ay ka muuqatay waji xumo ayaa bilaabay aqriska qoraalka kale oo mar kale dib u bilaabay ladies and gentlemen. Qoraalka waxuu ahaa mid si fiican u qoran walow uu mudnaanta koowaad siinayey in dowladdiisu ay la dagaaleyso argagixisada, kana sifeyn doonto waddanka gudihiisa, si aysan mar danbe hoy ugu noqon. Markii uu dhameeyey aqriska warqadda ayaa waxaa loo sheegay ka soo qeybgalayaasha in su'aalaha la weydiinayo Abdullahi Yusuf aan la shaacin karin jawaabaha uu bixiyo, sidaas daraadeed qoraalkan ma sheegi doono cidda weydiisay iyo su'aalahaba, laakin waxaan ku soo koobeynaa arrimaha ugu muhiimsan ee goobta laga sheegay. Arrimihii laga soo jeediyey goobta ayaa ka mid aheyd: Mar la waydiiyey inuu Maxkamadaha kooxahooda qunyar socodka ah la hadlayo, ayuu gabadhii waydiisay ku yiri “Anigu ma ogi wax qunyar socod ah ee hadii aad adigu ogtahay ii soo gudbi magacyadooda waan la hadlaanaaye”. Hadana waxaa la waydiiyey waa ayo dawladaha ka gaabsaday in ay idin taageeraan oo taageerad idiin diiday, markaasuu ninkii su’aasha waydiiyey ku yiri “adigu ma reer Yaman ayaad tahay” markaasuu ku yiri Chatham ayaan ka socdaa, markaasuu ku celiyey ma Yamani baad tahay ayaan ku waydiiyey, markaasu yiri Chatham ayaan ka socdaa, markaasuu C/laahi yiri adeer meesha xoog maahane ii sheeg wadankaad tahay, kolkaasuu ninkii isaga aamusay. C/laahi oo afsoomaali ku hadlayey ayaa turjumaha wuxuu isku dayey inuu hadalka u qurxiyo. Ruux kaloo Soomaali ah oo waydiiyey su’aal ahayd ma adigaa wadanka xukuma mise Tigreega dadka madaafiicda la dhacaya, xageedse geyseen dadkii Kenya idiin soo dhiibtay, sideedse dawlad ku sheeganaysaa adigi dastuurkii iyo hay’adihii dawlada khilaafay oo Itoobiyaan wadanka soo geliyey. C/laah wuxuu ugu jawaabay ruuxaas adeer ma maxkamadihii ayaad ka tirsantahay, markaasu ku yiri maya, markii dhowjeer hadalkii isku celceliyeen ayuu yiri “ Adeer meesha xoog ma ahe sow ma ogid in London la joogo oo hoygii dimogaraasiyadda ah” Joornaaliste kale oo ajnabi ah ayaa isagoo kasii afeefanaya in haybtiisa la weydiiyo ayaa yiri aniga qabiilkeyuwaa journalist, taasoo loo fasirtay in goobta laga daneynayey in la ogaado shaqsiga qabiilkiisa. Mar laga shanqariyey idaacadaha la diiday inay si xor ah wax u sheegaan, iyadana goobta wax jawaab ah lagama bixinin. Shaqsiyaad Somali ahaa oo hadlayey waxaa lagu yiri afsoomaali igu su'aala, oo loo fasirtay in la diidanaa in ka soo qeybgalayaasha ay fahmaan su'aasha. Goobta waxaa ka caddeyd in qoraalkii la soo diyaariyey ee quruxda badnaa ee laga aqriyey goobta iyo jawaabihii su'aalaha inay aad isku buriyeen. porotocolka goobtana aad bey ugu cayaareen wiilashii la socday odayga, oo haddii uu ahaanlahaa madaxweyne dhab ah waxuu ku qasbannaan lahaa inuu jagada ka tuuro. Waxaase muuqatey inay dhammaantood ahaayeen wiilal uu adeer u yahay oo aan lagu soo xulin aqoon xirfadeed. Isku soo duuboo, Ceebi Maxey Cabdullaahi Yusuf ka qaadi? XIGASHO: GOOBJOOG + QAADISIYA.COM

Originally posted by General Duke: ciidamada Dawlada Soomaaliya iyo kuwa Itoobiya oo isku dhinaca ah iyo maliishiyo hubeysan ciidamada Dawlada Soomaaliya + iyo kuwa Itoobiya = treason & collaboration

Originally posted by General Duke: The clan courts, tag seemed to hurt the potato followers.. Actually, I was correcting that tag; it doesn't apply to the ICU, but it applies perfectly to the clan president. What's the famous saying; a thief will call you a thief before you call him a thief?

Originally posted by Captain Xalane: I myself can write anything i want at wikipedia.U can do the same too.Wikipedia isn't enough of a proof and at this time,u have no prove and as said,the rest is again unimportant. You cannot write "anything" on Wikipedia; it will be edited, verified and checked against what others write or wrote. If what you write is in dispute (like 10 persons saying it happened, while 10 others say it didn't happen), then Wikipedia will state the article is in dispute. Go ahead try it. For example, try to edit Bill Clinton's article and write he was born on 1807. Besides, it's the U.S. Department of State that indicts the clan president in the article on Wikipedia.

Originally posted by Khalaf: "ppl who claim this religion or others outside the religion may use labels such as "progressive" ect...extermists......but according to the Islamic sources: followers of Islam are those who submit to Allah Most Great and follow His slave and messenger scw they are called Muslims...." Above, you claim: "ppl who claim this religion or others outside the religion may use labels such as "progressive" ect...extermists...... In your earlier comment, you asked: ....where in islamic sources are followers of islam labeled as u label them frequently: "moderates, progressive, secular, islamists....and this time islamo-facists".....???? So?

Originally posted by Captain Xalane: At this time u have no prove.The rest is unimportant. At this time I have provided sufficient preliminary proof indicting the clan president; refer to the Wikipedia link.

Originally posted by Captain Xalane: Another potato question! And you answered it with a potato answer?

Originally posted by Captain Xalane: prove the genocides u spoke of if u can At this time, relatives of the hundreds victims killed by the clan president's militia cannot step forward, for fear of retaliation. However, that could change when the clan government is toppled or forced out of Somalia.

Originally posted by Captain Xalane: Believe what u want,u and ur pple will agree to unity,willingly or unwillingly. How will the clan president treat us if we resist?