Originally posted by General Duke: Mogadishu is safe enough for the interior minister, the presedential speaker, mayor, chief of cabinet of the president. Col Sacid Dheere has been there from the beggining. Anyhow Yusuf is on his way back, what then dear Farax & Taliban? Can all those in the clan government stay in Mogadishu without the protection of the occupiers?

Originally posted by Jimcaale: Niqaab was widely adopted right after the fall of Barre regime but does that mean it has not been practiced in some areas of the country. I don't have the history background so where are the SOL historians. Well, I can only state my observations; there was a form of Niqaab, in black color, wore by some coastal women (Xamar, Marka, Baraawe, Kismaayo, iwm). Some of those women used to cover their faces, many didn't. This is to say the practice wasn't common, something you would notice in most places, but it was practiced by some women in some places. The other thing, most Somali conservative sisters do not cover their faces a la Niqaab, but dress like these sisters:

Caano Geel's comment isn't making sense.

Originally posted by Jimcaale: "No veil until the 1980s." Is he right? When did Niqaab come to Somalia? The veil wasn't uncommon among some coastal Somalis. If we are talking about widespread veil adoption, Nuruddin's assertion is applicable to the period from the colonial times until the 1980s, or the secular era. We have to bear in mind, coastal cities and towns along the Indian ocean and Red Sea were strong Islamic centers few to several centuries ago. During that time, Somalia was part of the Islamic caliphate.

Originally posted by sheherazade: No, I will thank thee. In that case, by drawing your ire, the comment was made to observe your reaction.

Originally posted by sheherazade: did you recognise yourself in my words or did you want to speak for the sake of as per or both? You will ban me if I don't answer?

Originally posted by TheSomaliEconomist: Who cares about a college students ponderings anyways? I bet he just wrote it to get some academic credit. Probably wants to transfer to an Ivy-league next semester. So what? Being a college student disqualifies his analyses?

Originally posted by sheherazade: Self-righteous mumbo jumbo. Everyone's a cleric these days. This is about legitimate criticism, not "self-righteousness", "holier-than-thouness", "judging someone" or other terms the West taught moderate Muslims in order to dismiss legitimate criticism.

Originally posted by Sharmarkee: or will it be like the ICU, a pure meltdown, No, the ICU's wasn't a pure meltdown; it was a strategic shift. The game is no longer played fairly, otherwise, the ICU would have decisively defeated Ethiopia. What transpired to the ICU cannot be judged in a timeframe of weeks or months; you have to give it enough time of at least a few years. A good example of where the ICU could be years from now is the Iraqi/Afghani insurgencies; it has become a formidable force to reckon with, a force that's bound to drive out the occupiers out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

At first, I thought the guy was struggling with af-Soomaali, but that's not so. He's very careful about what he says, so to avoid gaffes, misquotations, iwm. He adds and mixes af-Soomaali with English words such as executive, legislation, Rift Valley disease; is it because he doesn't know how to say it in af-Soomaali? He claims Selassie and Mengistu were dictators, while Zenawi and his government are different. The way he speaks reminds me of Al Gore's; like he's speaking to schoolchildren. His use of gestures is noticeable. Also, his accent is too easy. Talking about the many qoomiyad in Ethiopia, he says: "Waa dad aan is dhaldhalnay."

Originally posted by Taako Man: He can go to Mogadishu. He was there for a few weeks. I doubt the clan president can stay in Mogadishu for one month.

Yesterday, Nuruddin Farah was interviewed by Jeffrey Brown on NewsHour of the PBS channel. Once again, Nuruddin was spinning his twisted view of Islam, Somali women and the veil. This is an excerpt of the interview: JEFFREY BROWN: That Somalia, that Mogadishu of your youth comes through, through this character coming back there. But what she finds is a -- it seems like a real clash now of, I guess, of histories, a clash of the old, of that Somalia, and a new place, that is both violent, where there's a rise of Islam. It seems like a very, very different place. NURUDDIN FARAH: Sure. Well, let me tell you the rise of Islam in Somalia. This is a more recent phenomena, recent in the sense of in the past 15, 16 years. This is the consequence of many, many Somalis becoming jobless in the era of Siad Barre and many of them ending up working in the Gulf countries, in Saudi Arabia and in the Emirates, and there learning ways of worship that are very, very different from the way we used to practice Islam. And then they have come back, some of these people, with the idea of the veil. We did not have in our tradition -- there was no veil, no veil until the 1980s. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/africa/jan-june07/farah_02-27.html You can listen to or watch the interview in audio and video formats.

Originally posted by ibtisam: Again you are skim reading what I said and assume I was talking about a subject I was not. If that's how you sum it up, fine. The bottom line, fiqh has a ruling for what harms, intoxicates or twirls around the mind. Besides, the effect of smoking shisha is similar to twirling around, which is what the poster was alluding to.

Originally posted by Jaylaani: however, woman and children must be off limit. Agreed.

Originally posted by ibtisam: Again you are confusing me with the author of this thread. My comments had nothing to do with smoking shisha. Quite the contrary; I am not confusing you with anyone else. This was your last comment: My ealier comment was to your demand of proof that spinning around is hala. Surely, in the above quote, you're talking about proof that smoking shisha is halal. Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: You'll realize when i call the police That supposed to scare me?

The World Court found Uganda's army liable for tortures, killings and serious human rights abuses? :eek: If that's what they did, what can Somalis expect from them?

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: depends on what you mean by occupiers, traitors and collaborators ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I mean, like Rayaale losing the election, doesn't concede, armed resistance try to remove him, but he brings Ethiopian occupiers, their tanks and Migs to quell the resistance. ,,,,,,,,,

Originally posted by ibtisam: My ealier comment was to your demand of proof that spinning around is hala. Indeed. I have asked for proof to what the poster claimed about smoking shisha not being haram; such a claim warrants a proof. It's not like smoking is a matter or an issue that slipped a ruling from fiqh. Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: May be we should arrest Taliban then we can all laugh and have fun ,,, There are only individuals here; I don't see here collective "we."

Originally posted by ibtisam: Happy? The Lawful and Prohibited in Islam, Yusuf al-Qaradawi The Consumption of Harmful Things is Haram A general rule of the Islamic Shari'ah is that it is haram for the Muslim to eat or drink anything which may cause his death, either quickly or gradually, such as poisons, or substances which are injurious to health or harmful to his body. It is also haram to eat or drink large quantities of a substance if large quantities of it cause illness. For the Muslim is not entirely his own master; he is also an asset to his religion and his ummah (the Muslim nation), and his life, health, wealth, and all that Allah has bestowed upon him are a trust with him which he is not permitted to diminish. Says Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala: And do not kill yourselves; indeed, Allah is ever Merciful to you. (4:29) He also says: And do not be cast into ruin by your own hands.... (2:195) And His Messenger (peace be on him) said: "Do not harm yourself or others.'' (Reported by Ahmad and Ibn Majah.) As an application of this principle, we may say that if it is proved that the use of tobacco is injurious to health, it is haram, especially for a person whose physician has advised him to stop smoking. Even if it is not injurious to health, it is still a waste of money, spent neither for religious nor for secular benefit, and the Prophet (peace be on him) forbade wasting of property. (Reported by al-Bukhari.) This becomes the more serious when the money is otherwise needed for the sustenance of oneself or one's family. Link Happy?

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: give sympathy to women and children ,,,,,,, can u do that ??? I can. Fight the occupiers, traitors and collaborators ,,,,,,, can u do that ???

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: I should answer your question: YES it is true everything is Halal unles it is proven Haram ,,,,,,,,,, Good answer. Now, support your answer with Sharia'.

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: If you don't give them sympathy then don't expect it from them ,,,,, You're saying you should give sympathy to occupiers, traitors and collaborators?

Originally posted by ibtisam: I thought everything was hala unless it is prove Haram, not the other way round. This is about Islam, you simply don't state what you "thought"; you state what you have learned or know. Now, have you learned or do you know "everything was hala unless it is prove Haram, not the other way round"?

Originally posted by Garaad: ,,, what is his clear here is that any1 who causes the death and destruction of innocent pple will end up in HELL. And insha allah they wont see the mercy of Allah Correction; anyone who "intentionally" causes the death and destruction of innocent people.

Originally posted by Northerner: London, February 19, 2007 If the analysis in this report was published on the date shown above, it means it was done weeks before the date. The analysis doesn't reflect the current situation in Mogadishu, where security has gotten too dangerous for "security officers" to show themselves on the streets of Mogadishu.