In what amounts to be a tragic rootedness to cause,country,family, tribe and pride, Gaddafi did not die running away. But how he fought his war in the last days, why he chose to put his back to the sea against the overwhelming might of NATO and marauding militias with endless supply of ammunition and arms, doesn't speak to the knowhow of a colonel with military experience. What type of a war plan is that? And why limit his resistance to his home town? He will surely not be remembered for cowardice, but why he has to face his death in a filty hole, in a country he ruled for 40 years merits no paean. But far more disturbing than the savagery of a ragtag bedouin clansmen is the words of the UN, spoken through its Secetary General. How the day men with gun excuted a father and a son who were prisoners of war with wanton disregard to the Geneva convention becomes the day of light to Libyans is incomprehensible. As the bloodied face of Gaddafi was dragged in the streets of Sirte, Ban-Ki moon took the podium congratulating the Libyan people for their "historic transition", as if the whole drama was not a vicious cycle of blood-letting and the continuation of the reign of the gun and gangsters. What the NTC did is a war crime, but the world doesn't have courts for the crimes of the conquerers and their step-children. And the hypocracy of calling for investigation, just to save face, is what riles me most. I have no respect fo the NTC; I like Mustafa Abdijalil though. He looks a decent man and his actions in the last few days attest to his integrity. He hasn't repeated the fiendish shrieks of the other NTC leaders, nor does he travelled to see the dead body of Gaddafi. And his face is a face of a man who is honest and civil. I don't like the NTC because they are a mix of diaspora drop-outs (largely jevuniles), medieval militants with all the hallmarks of an Alshabab-in the making, and because they lie. They changed the story of Gaddafi's death more than ten times, often giving completely contradicting narrative tributaries. The one I find most shocking is the one that says Gaddafi died as he was driven to Misrata. Why take him to Misrata? We know what happend in Misrat. Surely, he was lucky he died on the road if true, for the journey to Misrata could only have been a visit to Golgotha, the place of skulls. And what is with the collapse of national morality in Libya with the filming and bee-lining to see the dead body of a human being, a dictator but a human being nonetheless. Is it the asthetics of the macabre?

Who you are, where you are from is not important for me, nor do I get shock if you happen to be right from my village. You have the heart, the tongue and the ears of a narrow-minded Agame. And if it speaks, acts, and shrieks like an Agame, then it must be an Agame. Or worse, an Agame-lite! As to the men in Asmara, the same people who coined the very term, whipping the poor labourers from Tigray (which i don't endorse by the way) cannot be Agame-whippers and Agame at the same time. The very reason why Meles fought Eritrea is to take some of that historical shame away with the might of a full Ethiopia. That much, you can't dispute. It wasn't about Badme, or the barren fields of Tsorana. It was about age-old inferiority complexity on one-sde and a disbelief on the part of Eritreans that the very Agame's they transformed from famine-stricken laborurs to rulers of Ethiopia have bitten the very hand that fed them. You are endlessly emphasizing a small matter I glossed over. A better deal with Amharas could well be a strategy to effect our age-old aspirations of joining our brothers in Somalia. And we know what we are doing. The worst for TPLF today is to hear that there is any rapprochment between Amharas, Oromos and Somalis. The TPLF cannot last for long if the three come togather and they know it. They count on this not coming though. We need to make their worst case scenario happen by agreeing with the Amharas. That is why Andargacheew Tsige's ideas are no so offending to us nowadays. He knows what he wants, we know what we want. It is a cruel gamble but there is no other game in town to oust Meles. The day the ONLF embraces this idea (so far they are resisting), Meles and the maggots of Adwa will be finished. By the way, did you read Tesfaye Gebraeb's revealations of the Woyane-rule. Either in the 'ye gazetangnaw maastaawasha' or 'the Silence of Burqa'. The regime stinks with tribalism, and you know Tesfaye was an insider.

Allow ceeb astur. Oo meeshu ileen waa women section. Raali ha la iga ahaadoo marwooyin iyo marwooyin.

she wrote this while in honeymoon. It is understandable. :D Let us hear what she says a year from now. Waa ta hadda wareegto ha la guursado ah soo saartaye!

The killing of Muammar Gaddafi, by NTC where the N stands for Nato, is a clear warning to leaders in third-world countries, whether dictators or democrats. They should not mess with western interest, especially when they are sitting on valuable natural resources. Algeria’s Buteflika is not likely to fear US bombs nor does the small royal family in Bahrain lose sleep over the simmering anger of its populace when the sun sets tonight. In Africa, Meles Zenawi may feel the heat, not so much because he is worried about his people, but for his reckless audacity to look to the East. Bashar Assad is trembling but that is mainly because he is an enemy of US and Israel. Ali Abdalla Salah shouldn’t unnecessarily be concerned. In recent history, only two Arab leaders were deposed and killed by their people –Saddam Hussien and Gaddafi. In both cases, Western powers did the job. In Africa, it is almost a similar story. Mobutu, Mengistu, Idi Amin, Bokassa, Hissien Habre were all ousted after falling out of favour with their western handlers. It is therefore misleading to flood newspaper pages and TV screen with talk of how the fall of Gaddafi should act as a lesson to tyrants who refuse to listen to their people. The exception to this might be Tunisia and Egypt, but it is clear even that wouldn’t have been achieved if the west decided to side with the dictators until the last minute. Seeing the inevitable, the imperialists felt it will cost them less to be seen to be in sync with the people’s wish and ambush the genuine aspirations of Egyptians and Tunisians at a later stage. It was a mere tactical strategizing than a genuine will to support democratic governance in the subject countries. I admire Gaddafi today. Not because he is a hero; he was a bad leader. He was a killer too. But he said he will die in Libya and he died in his hometown. It has now become customary to tell stories of cowardice of dictators when they face death, but the man knew he will die in Sirte and refused to negotiate until the last minute. The sewage they display as his hiding place could have been only a place where he sat next to, as the fighting raged. It is a common human urge to duck bullets and the bravest of men will do that. Having seen his son –Mutassim- smoking and drinking water just before he was killed, his face didn’t show fear. We all know the cerebral paucity of Gaddafi and his sons and they may have made the wrong choice of burning their own hometown which they built from dust, but they haven’t betrayed those they urged to fight for the family. The worst is to ask others to die for you and evade death at the last minute. Greed for power, fear of retribution from his enemies, and poor judgment could have led Gaddafi to make such a fatal and foolish choice in the end, but it could also be because he, wrongly, believed he is dying for a cause. And whatever cause they believe in, I respect men who die for their principles. In life, his name resonated with maverick intransigence; his death echoed with obdurate defiance. History is written by the victors and it will soon be heresy to say one good word about what he did for Libya, but he has built the infrastructure (some may argue wasted much more than could have built more), built the biggest artificial lake from the aquifer of the dry desert and provided free education. He was good for some, bad for others mainly in Benghazi. Many will be silently morning his death tonight in Libya, but we don’t hear about them because the vanquished are fearful. As for Libya, it is a transition from looting to another looting: from a native looter to a foreign one with Guns and phoney international charters! Last, how the NTC ragtag moor.yaan dealt with Gaddafi and his family in the last minutes, coupled with how they killed Abdilfatah Yunis, military leader of the rebels few months ago, point to their true colours. Libya will not miss Gaddafi, but it will also not fare better with these psychopathic and medieval militants who are flying with borrowed feathers. They will soon find out their joyride to Tripoli, which they mistake as a fierce struggle, won’t bring much happiness after the demise of Gaddafi as they massacre one another like the USC did in Mogadishu. They acted like rats in the end, although they said they aren't. They must be worried that Nato is leaving them now. Unease lies in the head that wears a borrowed crown, someone said, and I agee!

Brother Nur, I have not always agreed with your viewpoints and arguments, but I admire your knowledge and salute your integrity and civility. You were always level-headed, courteous and sensible. I learned a lot from you, but I felt a taxaliil from you is overdue for me so that I outgrow the small matter of fixation with narrating indecent tales. Ducadaas waad la bakhayshay, nin se qiimo leh waad tahay. I don't want to interfere in your decision, but I think you should remain an active contributor.

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Himself from Baligubadle, a tiny dusty village populated by short, dark-skinned people who allegedly sit in the lower fringes of Somaliland’s infamous clan hierarchy, Godane’s spite and bitterness is excusable. Provided he takes it out on those who regarded his kins as the chattel of the main beneficiaries of the enclave’s counterfeit statehood politics. He could have done this by marrying their women in four-somes, divorcing them and re-marrying another quartet every moon. Provided he pillages Gabiley and Burco, the sources of his ailment. It becomes unacceptable when he cuts limbs and loins of Somalis in the South who haven’t contributed to the development of his misanthropy in any shape or form. How can God bless Somaliland when it has sired the Foday Sankoh of Somalia - Ahmed Godane? I ask Xaji Xundjuf!

Somalia;752915 wrote: Is this a joke? Those are his weapons? :D:D mr.Somalia, ciyaalasuuq weyn! :D Looooooooooooooooooooooooooool@the hubka. Sabarado dhaa dheer oo kuwii ceelasha lagu qodi jiray baa ka mid ah hubka! This is more than lool. looooooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllll!

The still wear skin in the North of Ethiopia. Shalaqa Admassu was an individual, but I can vouch Amharas are by far more civilized and better in adminstration than Tigres. At least they are less nepotistic and you know that. A full General in the Ethiopian army of today doesn't have the power of a Tigre sergent if he is from other nationalities. Yet, we know even during the derg regime the most powerful men like Ali Musa and Fisseha Desta were not Amharas. By the way, you should realize there will be no Ethiopia once we and the OLF march to Finfine. The dances of 'Bilisuma' at Gulele still sear in miy mind and I am sure Oromos will love to make that dream come true.

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Kudoos to Aaliyah. Way ku sugtay.

People are making a fundamental mistake in their comparative analysis of the Ethiopian and Kenyan invasions. I saw someone saying AlShabab are the product of Ethiopian aggression and the Kenyan one will also sire some other monster. This analysis ignores that Alshabab were in their adolescence in 2006, matured between 2007 and 2010 and have prematurely aged and become senile in 2011, largely due to the curse of the somali people. They are in theri final days waiting for a disgraceful interment. Adan Ayro, Abu Mansurr, Abu fulaan, Hassan Turki and hebel Shangole are the front page occupiers of the somali roll of shame and are surely busy with sunset insurgency. It is therefore safe to conclude the Kenyan timing is better than that of Ethiopia. The momentum is firmly against Alshabab and it is only a matter of days, months or couple of months before we see their end. All the frantic bombing of students and civillians is the last kick of a dying bearded mafia.

hadaa raali iyo badh ahoow duqa hadaanad ani i jeedin. Naftii baa la ii keenay ninyahoow oo hada sida xayraamiintii Hargeisa yuu xanaaqaygu fooda yahay. :D Kan Tigreega ah waxaan u maleyn mid Solomon la yidhaa oo rasta ah oo Addis Ababa arimaha Somalia aan ka dhex bixin oon aqaan inuu yahay. Somali badan buu la qayilaa oo xogta uu ka soo heli karaa. Passerby, you Agaame, there is no one more clannish than your garage-bound fellows in Mekele and Adigrat. And for two decades Meles has ruled Ethiopia at the expense of Somalia, constantly fuelling wars there to be relevant for US and the West. That is for sure going to end with the end of Alshabab. And that surely hearalds the end of the tigre minority rule in Ethiopia. In which case, we will either get a better deal with the incoming more civillized Amharas or the brotherly Oromos, whoever takes the helm. What I can tell you is there is no worse adminstrator than a Tigre and all Ethiopians will surely breathe a sigh of relief when Meles leaves. Like Aesop's crow he has been flying high with borrowed feathers, but will soon land without any plumage as the dynamics in the horn changes. Surely, it can only get better for Somalis from now on. until then, talk rubbish. Afterall, Amharas were right when they said a mind of a Tigre is most productive when it is dealing with metals: either in garages or when firing a gun (what you call Biret in your own vernacular). Addis Ababa residents, who remember the 2005 massacre of their school children, will hunt each and every Agaame one by one. And the good thing is no Tigre can fake to be other nationality. The clue is on the left side of the face, just above the cheek bones and you know it. Or if he is without the 11 sign on the side, he will be asked to open his mouth to reveal the guraamaayle gum. Or even if that isn't telling, with the first introggetion he is going to utter "waay, wadi-sharmuta, buwa" and all the other trademark primitive expletives that define the level of your civility. By the way, I invite you Ejigayehu Shibabaw's (GG) Guraamayle :D Afu Guraamayle, Qanqaaw Guraamaayle Tigre Guraamayle Alaamaaw Guraamayle Fitu Guraamayle Wandu Guraamayle Seetu Guraamayle Hulum Guraamayle Meles Guraamayle Azeb Guraamayle Samora Guraamayle Passerby Aqaataari

He didn't write this too, brother carafaat. Anyway, his ability to write or not to write is a non-issue really. But even the ideas in the article posted here aren't that of his.

Welcome back Peasant. We really missed your peasant commentaries. :D Seriously, waan ku tabnay oo baryahan waa lagu waayey. great to see you are back.

I empathise with Ngonge whenever he picks a debate with Xinnfanin on Somali issues. The horseman, being a man of big books and experiences when it comes to Somalia, trashes Ngonge who is clearly the undisputed underdog in this duels. It is always excruciating, as one feels the agony of watching a body-builder smashing the skull of a nice jolly kid into the wall, as Ngone is busy picking sand with the yet unbroken hand to throw at the eyes of the dominant man who is tormenting him. Xinnfanin is right. We do tend to hold many similar views on many issues. There is only the small matter of carnal stories he doesn't like about me, and I have since reassured him it won't get graphic as the first days of my entry to this forum. He understands and is a closet admirer of this tales. :D It is what Ngonge said earier, and you need to do a lip service to things of principle but must let them go on.

Wiil Cusub;752579 wrote: Abtigiis ma markuu odaygu qasanayo ee Faysal ka cadhaysiiyo ee uu UFFF ku waasho ayaad aragtay, miyanad ogayn inuu shahaadad ka qaatay Mother queen. I didn't doubt Silaanyo's shahaado nor his wisdom. I just said he hasn't written that article. Not all those who know english or any other language can articulate their ideas very well. Hadalka waa lakala odhan og yahay, qoraalkuna waa sidaa.

It will probably increase cost of living for Somalis in nairobi, as bribery funds are added in their consumption basket. MMA is the only Soler in Eastligh and he has gone underground since yesterday. Have you heard anything from him on SOL since yesterday?

d/p

Malika;752559 wrote: ^Abtigiis - The son's of Somalia ayaa uu waacaan Somalia maanta, you guys have managed to bring our Mother land [The land of our hopes and dreams] to its knee's whilst bleeding - violated by anyone whom feels THEY can - if its not its own sons, then its the neighbours sons .. Walaahi, this is so true. It is the Che's, Norf's, Duke's, Xinn's and Nuune's who did this to Somalia. As you probably know I am like you, a neighbour. I haven't lived there.

:D Malika, as an aside, we, the true sons of Somalia, do not trust any Swahili-speaking person at this critical time. We believe all are fifth columnists. Malika, Faarax-Brawn, Stoic,even Maaddeey.

Che iyo Norf waxay isku qabsadaan ma fahmo. Their face-off always goes like this: C: Gurigaas wuu cad yahay N: Ma cadee, rinji cad baa la mariyey. waad ogtahaye maxaad isaga indhatiraysaa. Hadaadan ogeyna see this article. C:adeerkaa wuu cadyahye, isagana ma rinji cad baa la mariyey? N:adeerkaa soo kii cadaan jiray, ma maantaad dad caddaan ku sheegi? Hyprocacy at best! C:Somali oo dhan baa wada cad maanta, la isma dhaamo! N: mawada cadee qaar blue ah baa jira. you are not entitled to your facts. C:hebel baa kaa saxnaa N: warkaygu wuu cadyahye, ha lagu arko adeer. C:waa inoo hadhow N: waa hagaag

NGONGE;752525 wrote: ^^ Like the insured man who caught a theif burgling his house said "I strongly disagree with what you're doing, laakin iska wado" You too are accepting that the Kenyan incursion will help in weakning (or even defeating) Al Shabab and at the same time rejecting this same Kenyan invasion as a matter of principle. Not as a matter of principle, as a matter of pride. I have made that clear. It is the heart over the head as the cliche goes. And I agree I am not making sense there.

^^ man from Arabia, which two ideas?