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Jubbaland President Meets with Nickolas Kay of UN
Abtigiis replied to xiinfaniin's topic in Politics
Irrespective of which interpretation is correct, the constitutional dictates on the formation of regional states was predicated on the attainment of a national leadership, accepted and trusted by all clans, which will implement it. It is now clear that one clan in Somalia has no trust on President Hassan. That clan therefore is suspicious of the national government, mainly because the national government is dominated by one man. Any person, or think-tank who looks for answers to the current stalemate from the pages of the constitution is either a certifiable id.io.t or simply does not want to accept the ugly reality on the ground. The problem we face needs a radical solution. The Constitution is just a plain paper. It is the consent that its followers place on it, that makes it a useful paper which helps society to govern itself. In the absence of that consent, the paper remains a paper. This is true for the constitutions of the USA, Jamaica, Brunei, Barbados and Lesotho, countries where the government is capable of enforcing the constitution. In Somalia, where the Government has no power whatsoever to enforce the constitution, the constitution becomes not only a paper, but a trash paper. That is why President Hassan and the leadership must re-engineer the whole politics and find a solution that addresses the trust factor, rather than mindlessly talk about what the constitution says and what it does not say. Hadii sidaa la yeeli waayo, dee markaa dawladu constitution keeda ha iska wadato, anaguna heestii Kacanka ayaan la qaadaynaa: Kacaanku gaabin maayo Gadal u laaban maayo Geesna u leexan maayo Geed kaana gaadhi maayo.... -
:D :D btw, the spelling is wrong. Title ku waa "Goddadkii Saleebaan".
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Qaybtii 2aad Sidaa ayuu islahaa. Laakin maalin dhoweyd ayuu maqlay Ugaas hor leh baa la boqray. Isagu waa da’. Dadkii isbarte. Ma odhan karo anigu aan Ugas noqdo. Laakin wuxuu ogolaaday in ninkii Ugaas noqda ay wax wada yeeshaan. Ugaaskii cusbaa oo isba aan khayr la’hayen, ahna nin ababay intii arladu is dhex yaac sanayd, wuxuu toosh lix-iyo-toban qaad ah daba qaatay Saleeban. “Waa tuug. Waa beenale. Mu’aamarad buu wadaa. Hala iska ilaaliyo”, waxaas iyo wax ka daran ayuu meel walba la istaagay. Saleebaan waa yaabay. Hadaana Ugas na rabin, reero kale oo aan u taliyana aana rabin, gurigayga iyo xaaskayga inaan ku koob naado aan go’aansaday, maxaa la iga rabaa, ayuu iswaydiiyay. Guryo-noqod inaan la isaga hadheeyn arag. Wuxuu go’aansaday inuu Ugaaska cusub meel iska mariyo. Waa la ogaa in Saleebaan iyo Ugaasku haday isqabtaan ay labadaba u xuntahay. Laakin cidna kuma tashan Saleebaan goddad iyo boholo hor leh oo aan horey loogu aqoon ayuu heli doonaa. Saleebaan wuxuu raacay nin safar ah oo dadku ay ku yaqaaneen inuu aad u talaabo-dheer yahay. Ninkaas safarka ah ayuu ku yidhi: “War talo ayaan kuu hayaa, adigana safarkan ku dilay ee margiyadan caatada ah kuu yeelay kaa reeba, anigana godkan xun ee abaarta ah ee la igu bildhaansanayo aan kaga gabado. …meeshii ugu danbeeysay ee aad hada safar ku tagtay ma tahay meel tigaad badan?” Ninkii safarka ahaa wuxuu yidhi,”haa. Waliba ma aha uun tigaade waa meel qaboow.” “Maan oodano meesha oon Ugaas kale ku dhawaaqno” “Way ila quman tahay” Sidii bay yeeleen. Ninkii safarka ahaa wuxuu in badan iswaydiiyey “war aniga la garay oo bal waan nastaye, ninkan aan Ugas noqon, muxuu tunka iigu wataa?” Saleebaan wuu garanayey in laba mid uun dhici doonto. Ama cagtii socod taqaan ma istaagtee, ninkii safarka ahaa ayaa maalin an dhaweeyn xiisoon doona oo odhan doona, “war aniga meel fadhiga waan ku xanuunsadaa’e meel baan gaadhiye, adigu sii ilaali beeraha”, ama Ugaaskii oo dadkii oo dhani leeyihiin “dee Ugaas, Saleebaan ba ma xukuntide, maxaad anaga naga rabtaa, ayaa maslaxo u arki doona inuu Saleebaan hoosta soo gashado”. Ku wii odhan jiray "Saleebaan hal god loow...godkii garanee, xageed galiyey", ayuu ku qoslay. Imaba yaqaanaan. Ma anigaa god waaya, ayuu yidhi, balse in god labaad oo la helay inuuna amaan aheyn waa ogaa. Godded dheeri ah inuu baadi goobo ayuu go'aansaday...lacala hadii cidii uun goddkan hada uu galay ka saarto....
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Qaybta 1aad Inkastoo dadka ku nool tuulada uu ku dhashay Saleebaan ayna ogeeyn, reer guuraaga ka ag dhow waxay Saleebaan ku yaqiineen dhow arimood. Waxay odhan jireen saleebaan siduu u itaal gaaban yahay, uma aqli gaabna. Waxaa kale oo ay odhan jireen waa nin farsamooyin badan oo yaqaan sida mashaakilaadka isaga shaqsi ahaan ama eheldiisa la soo guddboonaata lagu furdaamiyo. Ma aheyn geesi guulaha uu ka soo hooyo dagaalada loo mashxarado, mana aheeyn fulay kawaabta inuu sheegto waxa uu rabo. Hadii ay la qumanaan waydo talada saaxiibadii waa uu u sheegi jiray oo waliba qaadici jiray fikirka dadka kale hadii ayna la qumanaan. Intii ayna bulshadu u yeelin canbaar ba’an oo ah inuu yahay qof meel ku dheg leh ama khilaaf iyo isqab qabsi dadka u horseeda, wuxuu ahaa hogaan ilbax ah oo bulshada horseed keeda ah. Waxaa taladii ba’day oo uu murugo iyo ciil la ilmeeyay maalinkii gacan ka xaq daran ay dishay wiilkiisii curad, gacantaasina ay aheyd gacan sokeeye. Iyadoo haweenkii reerku ayna furin asaydii, ayey dhacday masiibo micno tirtay geeridii Shar’maarke – waa curadkii Saleebaane. Waxaa war balaf ah Saleebaan ku soo gaadhay in ninman ay jaar ahaayeen balse ayna isqayrsan jirin, ay qorsheeyeen in ay dhisaan Ugaas cusub oo aanu ka war hayn Saleebaan. Saleebaan arintaa waa la yaabay. “Haday ugaasnimo ilmo Saleeye damceen, gartay. Waa rag iyo damacii. Balse aniga miyaan la ila socod siinayen?...Ma Ugaas aana wax ka dhisin ama aana dhismihiisa wax kala socon ayaa dhismi karaa? Xagee lagu furi awrka loo dhaamiyey?” Saleebaan fajac iyo yaab ayuu la hurdo waayey. Wuxuu ku riyooday habeen isagoo gabadh quruxsan oo bikro ah loo soo hooyey. Riyo fiican ayey aheyd, inkastoo markuu lugta qaad is yidhaaba, ee uu dhankeeda u dhaqaaqaba, caghaha unu culays laga saarayey, hadana qosolka gabadha iyo qiirada ku jirta wuu ka arkayey in ay ogoshahay oo ay jeceshahay! Subixii markuu soo toosay wixii ugu horeeyay ee uu la kulamy wuxuu noqday nin ay ilmaadeer yihiin oo waydiistay dayn lacageed. “Kan ayey aheyd inaan Xalay ku riyoodo ...oo tan riyo la iiga dhigo”, ayuu hoos u yidhi. Wuxuu la yaabay waxa wixii fiican ee uu jecel yahayna uu riyo ugu arkayo, wixii uu neceb yahayna uu u la kulmayo isagoo soo jeeda. Riyo iyo dayn isagoo u kala tirinaya, ayaa loo sheegay in Ugaaskii la dhisay. Waxaa kaloo loo sheegay in bulshadii yar iyo wayn, caamo iyo culumo, ay taageereen Ugaaskii, oo waliba ay sacab u tumayaan. Saleebaan ma sacab tumin. Mana dudin. Balse wuxuu go’aansaday inuuna shar iyo khayr ku darsan Ugaaska cusub. Ugaaskii cusbaa se sidii la mooday ma noqon. Kolkuu arkay dadkii oo dhamaan daba booday, aad ayuu u farxay, balse wuxuu dareemay in Saleebaan maqan yahay. Aflagaadeeyn iyo takoorid ayuu ku bilaabay Saleebaan. Saleeban tii uu dhigay waa tu ilaa maanta laga sheekeeyo. Duhurkoo cad ayuu weeraray xaafadii Ugaaska oo uu damcay inuu caana u kaydsanaa ugaaska uu isagu isku boqro oo isku daadiyo. Saleeban hawshaa wuxuu u xilsaaray wiil uu dhalay. Wiilkii wuu dadaalay laakiin cid khiyaantayba waa fashilmay oo la dil. Kolkaas ayuu Saleebaan ka hayaamay dhulkii oo warmo meelo fog ka soo tuntay. Dabkii uu shiday isagu wax kuma helin, laakin Ugaaskii ay coloobeen iyo Ugaas ka danbeeya oo micno leh, dhulkii laga waa.
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Ngonge, waxba majiraan. Your question is like asking which game of the week is going to be the best when we are already in July and all the big leagues are resting. Incidentally, when President Hassan yesterday said "dagaalka ha la joojiyo", a hardline long-foot reposted "yaa is laynaya...? ma Afgooyaa dagaal ka socdaa maantana?" :D
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Now, I concede the Tolka have lost that mantle of being "fierce nationalists". This Kenya ayaa na wadata thing has ruined it. The tolka are now only a part of the myriad conniving Somali clans who want to get what they regard as their share by hook or crook.
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QansaxMeygaag;960748 wrote: All hail the long-foot ascendancy; too bad this foolish one stuck his long foot (pun intended) in his mouth and spills the beans... They have Kismaayo, get over it and get used to it. Period. Is this not an open incitement against long-foots? What Adan Barre said is not a secret. All long-foot hardliners are publicly stating his position at every opportunity. There are no BEANS spilled for Somalis are not good at keeping any beans under their armpit anyway! The problem with your "long-foot's are taking over" incitement is that (1) you have not said Ras Kambooni or extremist long-foots are taking over. You generalized this and that is an injustice to the long-foots who do not subscribe to Madoobite ideology, but who may not agree with President Hassan's approach either. (2) It reduces the conflict to long-foots Vs all, which is not the case on the ground. A look at who is the so-called deputy of Maddobe is a proof.
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Dear Xinn, I can be dramatic at times, but I was genuinely worried this time. Hassan tanaasul kama sugayo anigu, laakiin waxaan is idhi armay roon tahay in loo tanaasulo intii dhiig danbe daadan lahaa! Now, you suggested another good idea. You said we will survive for four years, inta ilaahay ina dhaafinayo (although by the look of it ninkani ni si dhib yar xilka uga dagi uma eka). Markaa, sidee lagu baajin karaa in dagaaladii 90 dib loogu noqdo?!
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Xaaji, dee anigu inay 5 ta Soomali isu timaadaan rabaa...adiguna labadii isku hadhay inay kala tagaan! Burahadeer, soo dhawoow seedi. Gabadhuhu waa gayaankaa...ka door dooro. Tolnimo weeye nin sanadka gabadh kaa guursada.
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Xaaji Xunjuf;960625 wrote: I have to give it up to the big foot community its a smart strategy the question how long will it last. And What Will Mogadishu's next move be. BINGO! Xaaji, why worry about what will happen next. You just got recognition for SOMALILAND....as the bloodshed ensues between Mogadishu and Big-foot! ileen waxaad dabka u shidaysaa waa ujeedo kale!
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Kadaa Shar'maarkoow...shar ha ka taline! Aadan Barre has said aloud what other Kenyans government officials may be thinking inside. That cannot be a crime...if at all his only crime could be naivety and impulsiveness. Laakin adiga Somali ahaan, adigoo ka eegaya danta Somaliyeed ee guud iskana ilaawaya danta reernimo ama qaladaadka Xassan Sheikh (oo ficil waa wax shaydaane aaan ficil ku qaadin), ma saxbaa in Somalia Ethiopia iyo Kenya "sarsar" looga dhigo? I think it is a big NO! Sharcina ma aha, sax na ma aha. Markaa hadii Oga.dee.n wax ku waayi iyo haduu wax ku heliba principle qofku waa inuu aaminsanaada. Jubbaland inay jirto iyo inayna jirin is not a matter of existential importance. It can exist as a medium towards a cohesive Somalia; or it may not even fly. We can differ on the strategies and how we want Somalia to be reconstituted... but I think we should not differ on what we want to see as the end product: a unified and strong Somalia. It is in the best interest of all of us...the Somali race. Let us look at the bigger picture. The reason I oppose Xassan's plan on Jubbaland is because I think he chose to swim against the current rather than swim with the current and change its tide when he can. Under the current toxic situation and given how weak and vulnerable the FGS is, it is not in the best interest of the country to start fighting to implement rigid political predilections and formulas. We need flexibility and to embrace a gradual approach. Laakin dee dad baa u arkaya gradual markaad tidhaa inaad leedahay reerkaya ayaa hada raqda ku fadhiiyee ha noo yar kaadiyo... Allah quluubteena og!
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Amid the controversy surrounding Jubbaland, *Oga.de.n*** clan members in Somalia are making a big mistake if they think they can outmuscle other communities with the borrowed might of Kenya. They may have their grievances, they may even feel aggrieved by President Hassan’s blatant rejection of their sacrifices, but the way to go is not to seek succor from Aadan Barre Ducaale who is a Kenyan. All this hullaballo about Aadan Barre said this and that; or Kenyan troops did this and that is not going to help their cause. President Hassan is wrong to refuse to deal with Ahmed Madoobe, simply because Ahmed Madoobe is a reality who he has to deal with. Not dealing with him could take the country into turmoil. But looking at the amount of vitriol on the part of Madoobites :D one wonders if the fear of other communities that the whole shenanigan about setting up a Jubbaland administration is not about imposing a clan on the others and suppressing peaceful clans rather than exercising a legitimate right to rule yourself. War bow bowda hala joojiyo oo wanaaga ha laga taliyo…talo xumo waa lagu jabaa…hadaad ku guulaysatana waa la eedaa in the long run. The solution is President Hassan, Ahmed Madoobe representing the “jubbaland administration” and the other communities who feel aggrieved must meet and right what went wrong in the process. The goal being ensure that all the clans in the region are adequately represented both in terms of numbers and in terms of ensuring that each clan picks those it wants to represent it (not Ahmed Madoobe). Madoobe should pick only those from his side. President Hassan should also outgrow the fear of “D-block” setting up a Jubbaland State, for sure this is something at the core of HAG sympathizers who hide behind constitutionalism and whatnot. It is shocking to hear what Aden has said. The only thing that can be presented as an excuse is either to claim he is an id.i.o.t who does not know what he is saying....or he is tongue-tied and he does not know how to say what he thinks.
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http://www.warkii.com/dhagayso-gudoomiyhii-hore-gobalka-mudug-oo-si-kulul-u-weraray-madaxweyne-xasan-sheikh Finally, the SOL guru takes the mic instead of the pen and lambasts President Hassan Sheikh.
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Breaking News: Maddobe's second in command Fartaag captured alive!! Iftiin takes over the airpor and port! Nune, adiga iyo stoic iyo MMA waxaan idinku soo beegnahay 16 june, eee yaan la iga tagin hilib geel baan idin ka dhargine! Tan wararka, waxaan ogaaday dadku meeshan war doon uma yimaadaane wax ay ku seexdaan oo stress ka dajiya ayey soo doontaan! Markaa waa tabaruc!
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malistar2012;960463 wrote: Abtigiis are you confirming the col col Iftiin Xassan Baastosh is in control of city or section of the city ? That he still remains in the city with his troops. Haa, Iftiin troops are in control! the whole of the city. Aljazeera is to air an interview with IFTIIN tomorrow at 10:45. Also, you can check Iftin's twitter account for more videos of his troops patrolling the city: #kooxdaiftin
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^Malistar, It is true Colonel Baasto is FULLY in control of the town. In fact, I am told we will get the LIVE feeds of his movements inside the city from midnight tonight. Waan dagaalamaynaayee.. Waan dagaalamaynaa... dumarkiyo rageenoow ina soo dareersha! p.s. there is no WHY when bullets start flying. Marka hore ee dagaalka la abaabulayo ee dhiig daata loo mashxaradayo ayey tahay in la isqabtaa...marka danbe micno maleh...mayd ka unbaa la kala aastaa. Seriously, there is no military solution to this conflict. Waan waan iyo isu tanaasul unbaa lagu dhameeyn karaa. Malistar oo miidhan oo genocide in dad ay ka dhigayaan inay ka soo duuleen planet MARS lagu sameeya raba, xal ma keenayaan. At the end of the day, President Hassan and the other key actors will have to come to gather and find a negotiated settlement. Kenya lackeys did this and that nonsense is not going to help.
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Xaaji, cidna lama tirin Soomaali markaa cidna laangaab ma aha. That said, this man's community did not fight yesterday. Go and read websites...odayaashii beeshaasi way hadleen. Mana aha propaganda ee waa wax aad ogaan doonto hadaadan isdiidsiineeyn. The bulk of the fight was done by Alshabab cell which infiltrated and exploited the situation. This is the truth. Now, go and sing what you like. Ileen qof warka uuna jecleeyn diidan baa tahaye. Xaqiiqda raadi ee wixii aad jeclaan lahayd ha raadin. http://puntlandi.com/odoyaasha-beelihii-dhalinyaradoodu-dagaalka-ka-huriyeen-kismaayo-oo-shaaca-ka-qaadey-in-dagaalka-uusan-ahayn-mid-beeleed-lakiin-lasoo-abaabuley/
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Whatever you think of his politics or whether you love him or loathe him, the name Iftiin Xassan Baasto is hilarious. It rhymes. It gets even more funnier when you start realizing that yesterday's fight was between Iftiin (light) and Madoobe (darkness). Now, I am not saying the names show who is light and who is darkness. But it is a good mix.
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Xaaji, it is not for Xassan to decide which regions should team up with which ones? That is going too far and not good for Somalia. The role of the FG is to validate locally iniatied processes not to decide, "you know what ...we think Gedo and Bay should go together". That should be the supreme prerogative of the communities in those regions. If Xassan wants to impose his formula, it is unfortunate. Dagaal sokeeye oo badan baa dib loogu noqon.
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Jacpher, war hedde sideen yeelaa ninyahow? Xassan in uu Jubbaland iyo Axmed Madoobe aqoonsado oo deedna uu wiixii ay qaldeen gacantooda ku saxo wuxuu ka jecel yahay in dagaal la isku qaado oo qoladii roon meesha u hadho. Axmed Madoobe' na ma waxaan nidhaahnaa adiguna in meesha laguu ogolaan waayo oo shir kale la qabto ka dooro in la is gawraco? Mise adigu ka soco oo bal waxaad waayi aad waydide iska ogolow ayaa haboon! Aniga waxay ila tahay in uu Axmed tanaasulo. Xaaji Xundjuf, even Ahmed-Maddobe deligitmizing the process that elected him is not the end of the world. Bal munaafaqada aad meesha kula dhex jirtid day. Mar waxaad leedahay compromise, marka taas lagu taliyana waxaad leedahay "dee ninku meeshiisa (seat) inuu waayo sideey ku noqon?" Markaa adigu baadida (Somalia ah) nala deey dey, inaan helo ma ogolid koleeye!
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good leadership by Madobe if he is going to Mogadishu. I think that is a good start. I am genuinely disappointed by President Hassan. It seems his is my way or the high way kind of philosophy and I think the country will be in trouble if he keeps that mentality. Wali waxaa sugaya Faroole oo ka waalan isga iyo Somaliland. Laakin yaan masaakinta long-foot ka Somali eersane waxaa roon in loo tanaasulo oo arinta Kismaayo siduu rabo lagu xaliyo. Tanaasulku ceeb ma aha.
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Apophis, I hate people who priotize in soomalida la iska celiyo and propose peace with Tigre's and war with Somalis. Waa cudur waxaasi. Somali waa dad aaynu ka mid nahay markaa iyadoo dulmi haduu xitaa jiro, dulmi soomaliyeed la qaato ayaa ka roon mid gabdhaha kaa kufsanaya oo Tigree. Afterall, hadii Madoobe madaxweeyne noqon waaya, it does not mean the end of the world. Dabrow, adiga ilaahay ha ku caafiyo, you are narrow-minded. Dan reereed baa wax walba kaala weyn.
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Xaaji, jooji sheekadan I think blah blah...meesha waa la iska war hayaa. Of course Alshabab took part in today's fighting and it is only logical that they would do so...given that one side feels outnumbered and that KDF is supporting the other side. Laakin, Axmed Madoobe talked sensibly to me. Dawlada ma diidanin, Ma goosanayno, meela uma socono...umana quudho wax xun ayuu yidhi. Despite all the names you want to give him Axmed Madoobe qiyyam kiisa siyaasadeed mid xun ma aha, oo waa la yaaqaan inuu yahay nin Somalinimo u soo halgamay. Waxaa looga fadhiyaa hada inuu siduu sheegay tanasul la yimaado oo umada kala badbaadiyo. Idinka the SL contingent in SOL laakin, now that Alshabab is to be defeated, wax aad mehered ka dhigataan oo aad tidhaahdaan south waligood dagaal kama baxayaan baad raadinaysaane compromise iyo this crocodile tears joojiya fadlan. We are not st.**u.**pid!
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Somalia is at a crossroad. The international community is ready and willing to support its revival now than ever before. But the Kismaayo conflict is threatening to take the country back to the era of clan bloodshed. To avoid a return to clan war, Somalia needs a visionary leadership that rises above the immediate political gains. I was of the opinion that President Hassan has more wisdom and intellect than the other protagonists in this conflict – Faroole and Madoobe. Sadly, it seems the President does not see the benefits of compromise or the dangers of staying the course to fulfill own political predilections. Cheering the mayhem and carnage in Kismaayo can only come from hearts filled with hate that do not wish to see Somalia rising again. In the interest of peace and stability, and taking the failures of leadership at the national level into considerations, Sheikh Ahmed Madoobe as the other key protagonist in the Kismaayo conflict can turn what looks like the most challenging political situation that he ever faced into an opportunity where he will achieve immortal status in the history of Somalia. He can win forever if he decides to compromise and accept a new reconciliation conference and agrees to its outcome. He may anger few of his followers, he may even risk backlash from his sponsors, but Madoobe will rise to greatness if he compromises when he is still relevant and in power. A long drawn out clan war will not benefit anyone. I have spread this message through my facebook account and have finished nearly one hundred dollars calling all sensible community members I know. I hope enough people will embrace this message and will create the critical mass required to influence self-interested politicians. Hadaan lakala socon meela umadani uma socoto...and my feeling is the current national leaders do prefer a return to war than compromise. Can Ahmed Madoobe steal the greatness they would achieved if they would have compromised? Can he exchange short-term Presidency and fleeing fame for eternal respect?
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Breaking news: Intensive fightings in Kismayo
Abtigiis replied to Cambuulo iyo bun's topic in Politics
^ fair points....laakiin naga daa dee war is raging, hadana Kenya took the town childish nonesense! Ana alla, ciyaari waa galin danbe dheh sida reer Togdheer! Me and Xinn support the FG of Somalia, we just think its approach on jubbaland is wrong. Of course you can say we are saying that for clannish reasons; a charge I see no point fighting!