^ Indeed, the keywords are "when the amxaaro leave", not if.

^ The words "all foreign", numskull, can only mean one thing. ALL, by definition, has no exclusions. Perhaps you're another door knob related to Hiraale. It seems that infested gene pool has reached everywhere.

Originally posted by Caamir: On Tuesday, he [Abdirahman Dinari, a Somali transitional government spokesman] said: "We ask all the foreign fighters to pull out of the country and allow Somalis to seek ways of reconciling and establishing peace. Is Dinari including the Ethiopian troops when he says all foreign fighters? Mise he, like A/Y and Hiraale, strongly believes the Ethiopians are exempt from foreign status since they're in bed, missionary style, with the TFG? LOL.

^ Washington is oozing wisdom nowadays. The potential good the United States can do in every corner of the world is surpassed only by the actual damage it does in almost every corner of the world. Such are the actions of an empire.

Patriotism is the refuge of scoundrels, atheer. Just ask General Duke. I'm no patriot. I'm just another "clanist warmonger" who (now) can't stand the Ethiopians and the Ethiopian-riding traitors. Join the keyboard commandos. It's the safest unit to be in.

^ Ngonge, I recommend guerilla warfare. But if you insist, let them have a gorilla war. It can't do any worse.

Originally posted by Alisomali: What is the official name of the organization of waddads fighting Ethiopia? Somalis.

^ Baashi, darintii waa laguu diiday caawa. Retracting the call to Jihad won't change a thing. Even if they do, that cat is out of the bag and the Ethiopians are already here. Do you think they'll say, "oh ok" and turn around and leave? Originally posted by Che-Guevara: Sad ending to a promising movement.Guerilla warfare will be the likely outcome here. I agree but Xiin will disagree with you. Let's see what he comes up with tonight.

^ I hope nothing happens in Jowhar. Just get out, is what the ICU should do. My keyboard commando training tells me let the Ethiopians, like the Americans marching to Baghdad in 2003, ride the cool breeze to Muqdhisho. Let them feel strong and mighty. Time is on our side. And unlike them, we've got no where else to go and not much left to lose. Baashi, I didn't expect the warlords to return so quickly, if at all, I must admit. But shit happens.

^ It could happen, awoowe. I'm sure you've heard of worse ideas being implemented. Yes, it is provocative. What isn't in Somali politics?

^ Fair enough. But you do admit that in this environment, declared loyalties shall save us all the mistake of accusing someone of that which they're innocent. I still maintain your call to a ceasefire is unrealistic. As it stands now, the ICU has little to bargain with. It's best to negotiate from a position of strength. At the height of its strength, the ICU was wishy-washy on negotiations. That train has now left the station. What's next? Save face? Prepare for a guerilla war? Blend in with the population and regroup for a later time? Anything but coming to a hostile table and get routed politically as it has militarily. Too many poisonous pills to swallow for the ICU at the moment, I'm sad to say.

Yeah. The first was the paid warlords getting kicked out of Muqdisho in June. They're slowly coming back now. Hence the third time.

^^ Is that the official position of the dishonorable minister of "defense" of Somalia?

^ Che, quick. Watch PBS right now. They have a segment on Somalia. Horn & Hiraale are in a league of their own. Even general duke would be envious of such love affair. LOL.

^^ I thought so. But you made me wonder for a moment. Che, Baashi is trying to make the best of a nasty situation. For a moment, and from all the garbage I read on this forum, I mistakenly thought he was wavering. We're on the same page awoowe. No offense intended. Edited: I think the quote is fine but may be inaccurate. Do you really think the TFG is driving this or are they just passengers in this Ethiopian/US bat mobile?

Baashi is neutral? I don't think so. I'm a warmonger who's on the side of the ICU (despite all their shortcomings), awoowe. A private first class in the Keyboard Commandos unit. You write too much good Baashi. Which is it, awoowe, the ICU or the Amhara-mule-riding-TFG? Say it loud and clear. Originally posted by Baashi: All these facts make TFG a formidable challenger. Formidable in the sense that it can employ Ethiopian might to advance its interest, call international entities as well as regional ones for their help and so on. Awoowe, this could (and probably is) a classic case of the mule riding the man. Catch my drift?

Originally posted by Allamagan: ^^^^ hahaha that was so funny, what else Castro? You gotta admit it was funny. The man is as smart as a door knob. Some would say I'm insulting door knobs here. LOOOL.

Originally posted by Sky: It's something Reer Mudug Castro, nothing you'll understand. Allowing indicates weakness, leading equals strength. LOOOOOOOOL. Same caqli xumo. You must be related to Hiraale. LOOOOOOOL. Leading is strength. This is too much.

Reporter: Mr. Minister, as the minister of defence of Somalia, did you allow Ethiopian tanks and armored vehicles to bomb Somali towns? Hiraale: Allowed them? I'm leading them. LOOOOOOOL. Walee caqli xumada wa loodhasha.

Keep the orgy going, fellas.

I particularly like the use of the word "Action" to describe the invasion by Ethiopia. It's just an action, you see. Nothing more. Wasn't it Newton who described a law of dynamics about actions and reactions? Can the US afford to be embarassed in Somalia for the second time in a year, the third time in 15 years? I guess they can.

The United States said Tuesday Ethiopia has genuine security concerns in Somalia and has intervened at the request of that country's legitimate governing authority. But the State Department called on the Addis Ababa government to show restraint and urged the Somali parties to return to peace talks. VOA's David Gollust reports from the State Department. The United States had previously declined to confirm Ethiopian intervention in neighboring Somalia. But in the wake of air strikes against Somali targets since Monday acknowledged by Ethiopia, the State Department is defending the action as a response to aggression, and says Addis Ababa has acted at the request of Somalia's legitimate administration, based in Baidoa. In a talk with reporters, acting State Department spokesman Gonzalo Gallegos urged restraint by Ethiopia and a resumption of peace talks between the transitional administration and the Islamic Courts movement. He said, "Ethiopia has genuine security concerns with regard to developments in Somalia and has provided support at the request of the legitimate governing authority, the Transitional Federal institutions." "We, the U.S., have urged, and continue to urge the Ethiopian government to exercise maximum restraint in intervening or responding to developments in Somalia and to assure the protection of civilians. However no Somali party should use external actors as an excuse to avoid further dialogue," he continued. The spokesman said Ethiopia started its military operations in Somalia in response to aggression by the Islamic militiamen, who have been on the offensive against the Baidoa administration despite a U.N. Security Council resolution adopted three weeks ago. That measure called on the Islamists to cease further military expansion, while authorizing an East African protection and training force to shore up the embattled Baidoa authority. Gallegos said the United States is concerned by the deteriorating security conditions and the humanitarian impact of the latest Somali fighting, and is working with partners in the international Somalia Contact Group to urge all Somali parties to cease further hostile action. He said U.S. ambassadors in East Africa are making similar appeals to host governments, and said the United States does not believe the situation can be resolved on the battlefield. The United States sponsored the December 6 U.N. resolution on Somalia, under which Ugandan troops would supply the core of the East African protection force. The White House said President Bush telephoned Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni Tuesday to discuss Horn-of-Africa tensions and to thank him for supporting the envisaged mission. The resolution eased the U.N. arms embargo against Somalia to permit introduction of the force, but was otherwise designed to discourage intervention by Ethiopia and by its regional rival Eritrea, which has given aid to the Islamic Courts. Spokesman Gallegos said the United States continues to support the terms of Resolution 17-25, though its implementation has lagged and may be further set back by Ethiopia's open military role. Voice of America

With Ethiopia to the west and south, Puntland (a.k.a. the TFG) to the east and Djibouti (a.k.a. the United States Combined Joint Task Force, Horn of Africa) to the north, it seems Somaliland may be more at risk than Muqdisho residents having to enroll in Amharic as second language classes. Now that the Southerners have been routed, is this the window of opportunity to reign in those "arrogant and racist" northerners and unite the country under one flag? Is A/Y the man to do it? I sincerely wish he's arrogant and deluded enough to make that mistake.

If the ICU follows that strategy, it would be the second mistake they make. I hope they don't. There are other ways to fight the enemy without selling your soul to the devil.

Somalia government soldiers, joined by troops from neighboring Ethiopia, advanced toward Somalia's capital Tuesday as Islamic fighters dug in and promised a "new phase" in the war - a chilling pronouncement from a movement that has threatened suicide attacks. Somalia called on the Council of Islamic Courts militias, bloodied by a week of artillery and mortar attacks, to surrender and promised amnesty if they lay down their weapons, government spokesman Abdirahman Dinari said. As many as 1,000 people may have been killed and 3,000 wounded in the fighting, many of them foreign radicals, Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi said. Meles said about 3,000 to 4,000 Ethiopian forces, which entered Somalia on Saturday, may soon wrap up their offensive against the Islamic militias that until recent days controlled most of southern part of the country. "As soon as we have accomplished our mission - and about half of our mission is done, and the rest shouldn't take long - we'll be out," Meles told reporters in the Ethiopian capital, Addis Ababa. The U.N. Security Council called an emergency meeting Tuesday for a briefing on the clashes. Ethiopia sent fighter jets streaking deep into militia-held areas Sunday to help Somalia's U.N.-recognized government push back the Islamic militias. Ethiopia bombed the country's two main airports and helped government forces capture several villages. Sheik Sharif Sheik Ahmed, a top leader of the Islamic group, accused Ethiopian troops of massacring 50 civilians in the central town of Cadado. Ethiopian officials were not immediately available to respond. Ahmed said his fighters are in tactical retreat in the face of superior Ethiopian firepower. But the military struggle has just begun, he added. "The war is entering a new phase," Ahmed said from Mogadishu, the capital. "We will fight Ethiopia for a long, long time and we expect the war to go everyplace." Ahmed declined to elaborate, but some Islamic leaders have threatened a guerrilla war to include suicide bombings in Addis Ababa. Ismael Mohamoud Hurreh, Somalia's foreign minister, said Tuesday that the government's small military force has been training for this offensive for five months. "We will hold our line very, very well, don't worry about that," Hurreh told reporters in Nairobi, Kenya. Experts fear the conflict in Somalia could engulf the region. Islamic courts leaders have repeatedly said they want to incorporate ethnic Somalis living in eastern Ethiopia, northeastern Kenya and Djibouti into a Greater Somalia. For months, foreign Islamic radicals - including Pakistanis, Arabs and Chechens - have been trickling into Somalia to fight on behalf of the Islamic movement. According to a U.N. report in October, Eritrea has dispatched 2,000 soldiers to Somalia to fight with the Islamic forces against the government. Ethiopia's Meles said his goal is not to defeat the militias but severely damage their military power - and allow both sides to return to peace talks on an even footing. "The rank and file of the Islamic Courts militia is not a threat to Ethiopia," he said Tuesday. "Once they return to their bases, we will leave them alone." Ethiopian troops will not enter Mogadishu, he said. Instead, he said, Somali forces would encircle the city to contain the militias that control it. Any effort by the Somali government or Ethiopia to take the capital risks a disaster similar to the U.S. intervention in Somalia in 1992. That U.N.-sponsored mission ended in 1993, after Somali militiamen shot down a U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter. Eighteen American servicemen were killed in the crash and vicious street fighting that preceded and followed, made famous in the book and movie "Black Hawk Down." Somalia has not had an effective government since warlords overthrew longtime dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991, pushing the country into anarchy. Two years ago, the United Nations helped set up a central government for the arid, impoverished nation on the Horn of Africa. But until the past week, the government has not been able to extend its influence outside the city of Baidoa, where it is headquartered, about 140 miles northeast of Mogadishu. The country was largely under the control of warlords until this past summer, when the Islamic militia movement pushed them aside. One critical issue for the Somalian government is how clan leaders will respond to the Islamic courts movement's changing fortunes. Clan elders tend to take the victor's side in the interest of minimizing violence in their villages. The 11 courts that make up the Islamic council are based on clan, vary widely in their interpretation of Islamic law and do not always get along. Hurreh, the Somali foreign minister, said Somalis will embrace the fall of the Islamic militias. Their severe interpretation of Islam is reminiscent, to some, of Afghanistan's Taliban regime - ousted by a U.S.-led campaign in 2001 for harboring Osama bin Laden. "A lot of people in Mogadishu will be very happy to chew some qat and have the Islamic courts out of their way," Hurreh said, referring to the narcotic leaf banned by many of the Islamic courts. Many Somalis, however, are angered by Ethiopia's intervention because the countries have fought two wars over their disputed border in the past 45 years. Forbes