There's no equivalent word in Somali for "tolerance". Ergo, we don't have to practice it.

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: Somali Christian has every right to be in the Somali government!!! LOOOL. Another classic.

Originally posted by Juje: The blood on his t-shirt proofs the bloody buffons have already hit him - nacalad ba ku taale. The guy is advocating worshiping the dead. He deserves to be beaten (or eaten) then stoned to death. There's no room for religious tolerance in Somalia. Either you're a Muslim (a la the Shabaab) or you're dead.

^^^^ He's living in the West because "Ilaahaybaa gaalada inoo karbaashay". Originally posted by Shilling: HBU is a Christian university where the Christian faith and learning go hand in hand. So unless this Arman individual is a Christian I have every reason to be shocked. I thought the man was Muslim and in my opinion no Muslim should even consider attending a Christian university; again ninka maa laa hubaa inuu Muslim yahay? lool @ maa la hubaa. Atheer Sheikh Sharif picked this guy to be his envoy. What would be acceptable proof to you that Abukar Arman is a Muslim? A blood or saliva sample? It must be raining thickness nowadays.

No difference? lol. What an odd response. A false analogy is invalid by definition so it doesn't fit anything. Originally posted by Ashkiro: it's not seeking a secular education but an islamic education which again the heart of this education is Allah SWT and His Deen There you go again. The recommendation given by ailamos wasn't for a church or a secular university. It was for Al-Azhar, the preeminent Islamic education center in the universe. Anyone who rejects such recommendation solely because the person making the recommendation is non Muslim shows how utterly ignorant they are of al-Azhar and what it stands for.

@ Is like me telling someone the best church to go would be.. when I dont even belive in their religion. Seems fair to me. Good luck poster lol. He didn't recommend a church, he recommended a university. It's a false analogy you are making as the original poster didn't ask for the best mosque to pray in. Or do you just not comprehend enough to tell the difference?

Originally posted by Abaay Heylay: ^^I dont think your advice matter to the poster because why would anyone even want take advise for someone like you who doesn not believe in Allah. One does not have to be a Muslim or believe in Allah to know that Al-Azhar university is the standard for Islamic education. You just need to know its history.

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tusbax: Why is this relevant? It is relevant because it explains the basis of Raamsade's false assertions here. For someone whose religion is supposed to be rationality, he sounds very irrational and unreasonable. How can he claim Israel would not blow up a hotel in Dubai, for moral reasons? Is this not the same man who strangles us for facts and figures when it comes to debate on abstract religious matters? Who have displaced the largest number of people from their houses? who have taken over the land of someone and keeps it while the owner of the house is languishing in abject penury next door? Who have razed Beirut to the ground just few years back? Who have flattened Gaza, using white phosphate and dangerous substances? Raamsade is as biased and dogmatic as the "faith-heads" he often ridicules (occasionally rightly too). But his tirade on Israel and morality (as if governments are moral entities), reads like the standard, and tired, op-ed on Israel's right to exist and how many atrocities it should be allowed to get away with in the pursuit of that right. A&T, prepare yourself for the coming "using white phosphorous is consistent with international law. It is the terrorists who fire rockets then hide behind women and children who are forcing us to rain the stuff on everyone to smoke them out" argument.

By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Somalia must rekindle its diplomatic relationship with the United States to help rebuild the country and protect the security of both countries, the first Somali diplomat assigned to the United States in two decades said in an interview. Abukar Arman, appointed the Somali U.S. special envoy on Feb. 6, plans to re-establish the ties that disintegrated during clan warfare that tore Somalia apart in the early 1990s and culminated in a 1993 battle in Mogadishu that killed 18 U.S. soldiers and hundreds of Somalis. "The world has changed - the lack of security in one area does not mean it is contained in that neighborhood," Arman told The Associated Press. "Everything that happens on one side of the world indeed affects everywhere else." Arman also wants to work with the tens of thousands of Somali immigrants living in several U.S. cities, including Columbus, Minneapolis, Seattle and Portland, Maine. At least 20 young Somalis from the Minneapolis area were allegedly recruited by terrorist groups in Somalia, and Arman says he wants to work with Somali groups here to address that problem. "Finding ways to address these issues without creating more problems will be helpful to both countries and both peoples," Arman said. The appointment of Arman, 50, of Columbus, illustrates the extent to which Somalia has become a country many of whose citizens are scattered unwillingly across the globe. Arman, until recently a writer and a work force development instructor for the city schools, came to the U.S. in 1980 and has lived in Columbus since 1994. He has blogged for the Huffington Post and has written about Islamic issues for several publications, including Aljazeera and The American Muslim. The civil war ended Arman's plans to return home in the late 1980s after attending Houston Baptist University. He is married with four children. He plans to commute between Columbus and Washington, D.C. Arman recognizes the challenges before him. Somalia has not had an effective government in almost two decades. The current administration controls only a small section of the capital with the help of some 5,000 African Union peacekeepers. The government is preparing an offensive to try to wrest back control of much of the capital from the insurgent group al-Shabab, which holds most of southern and central Somalia. Somali pirates have seized control of several ships off the country's coast in recent years, holding crew members hostage for ransom. Somali president Sheik Sharif Sheik Ahmed visited several U.S. cities with large Somali populations last fall, including Columbus, trying to drum up support for his beleaguered government and to ask Somali immigrants for help. Arman has an almost impossible task before him given the country's problems, said Ahmed Samatar, an international affairs professor at Macalester College in St. Paul, Minn. "The transitional federal government under Sherif has no legs to stand on," Samatar said. "What then would an ambassador represent given that?" Arman says people who say Somalia's problems are too great to try to fix are guilty of lazy thinking. "We've tried that line for the last 20 years - it didn't get us anywhere," he said. "It's a tall order, but somebody has to do it, somebody has to march with confidence towards that goal." AP

Actually, looking around the politics section of Somalia Online, one can't help but notice the utter vomit of Somaliland is this or Puntland is that polluting the airwaves. It's like children on a playground. Balo idin wada qaaday.

Somali Pirates Seize Somaliland Aid Trucks Piracy on land? Or are we talking about seizing amphibious trucks? lol. Caku iyo ciyaalnimada labadaa gobol.

^^^^ I would love to read your deep analysis of this matter. And I'm not being facetious.

Originally posted by Johnny B: There are no groups in Somalia . There is an Islamic Government and Terrorists. Classic.

Originally posted by NGONGE: Yes, I expect he will. But with less conviction this time. Anyway, I am only softening them up until the guru arrives. Nothing like your guru to muddy the waters. Please, tell him to stay away. I'd hate to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

^^^^ When Thankful eventually responds, you will want to jump off whatever building you're in. His response will be something like: "But all I want is fairness. I'm trying to point out the hypocrisy. Why can't someone go after Riyaale, the NSS chief". LOL.

^^^^ The person who did the torture is irrelevant as he's not in DC. It's the person who ordered it or signed off on the order who lives in DC and is now facing the suit. If we're willing to go after the grunt who carried out the torture, why is going after the general who was in charge of it all so outlandish? Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tusbax: perhaps we should have started in reverse order and start with those who are the immediate danger to what is left of the nation. Start with Alshabab and its Abu-fulaans, start with yey and Gheedi, Start with Rayaale and Faroole's, start with Xassen Turki and Aweys's, and then we will manage to revive the nation. Priority should be to bring the nationa back. Seeking justice is a luxury for now. That is my view. But i agree with the principle that all crimes should face justice. Mark my words Abtigiis, there will be no revival without justice. Let's work on the fools who kicked us from our homes then had the audacity to follow us were we sought asylum. The rest will be dealt with where they are and if not in this life, then in the hereafter.

Originally posted by Ducaysane: Ma soomaliyaa la is kufsadaa. Are you serious? I still refuse to believe that anyone could be this thick.

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tusbax: Castro, i have no intimate knowledge as you said. Nor do you have one. All I am saying is everything is possible. A wronged man could be pursuing justice or a maniacal clanist is after someone he despises. I can live with that. But either way, Samatar is who he is and there's only one man who held those positions in Somalia at that time. Instead of a one man crusade this should have been a class-action lawsuit with all of us participating. Alas, we spend our days discrediting those who do go after the criminals.

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tusbax: castro, the very fact you believe that all those who expres opinions different than yours are doing so for clanish reasons shows the shallowness of your reasoning. Qabyaalad is a somali problem and you are not the first to highlight it. But not opinions are given because of clan sentiment. I have said I don't like Samatar in this same thread, but for you to talk of bravery of someone you don't know (the accuser), when you have no facts is wrong. Samatar qabiil kuma difaacayno, laakin qofka eedeynanya ujeeddo uu leeyhay ma ogid adigu. lol. It takes courage and conviction to spend 10 years of one's life fighting an uphill battle to take a nearly hopeless case to the Supreme Court. But you seem to have intimate knowledge of the motives of the accuser so perhaps you can enlighten me on what they are and how you came to know them. It's only fair you put your swimsuit on before you join us in the pool.

^^^^ Yeah, he's a vindictive clannist who managed to trick the US Supreme Court to exact his revenge. There is no hope for Somalis and clan mentality.

Xiin, you're just being evasive now. Fine, saaxib, I won't press it. But forgiveness comes at a cost. There has to be truth told for reconciliation and forgiveness to follow. That Minneapolis has "a critical mass" of criminals among its residents speaks volumes to the apathy I mentioned earlier. Somalis in Minneapolis are no more enlightened or understanding of each other than other Somalis elsewhere. The distrust and the enmity runs deep and your statement is tongue in cheek, obviously. This man who sued Samatar has the courage that many of us lack. Perhaps that's why some of us are so mad and are hiding behind minority clans and accusations of victimization.

Originally posted by Ducaysane: Ali mahdi lives right here in Minneapolis and no one is taking him to court for the crimes he committed back in 1991. why? That speaks more to the indifference (or impotence) of those who live in Minneapolis. If you believe he's a criminal, what's holding you back? Why don't you sue him for the "crimes he committed back in 1991".

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^It's very simple really Ha la is cafiyyo, ama dadkoo dhan ha la maxkamadeeyyo Xiin, the guy who sued is obviously not willing to forgive. That you would question his motives is unfair. And it's not like Samatar came out publicly and apologized, in his capacity as former defense minister and prime minister, to the millions of Somalis strewn around the world and those who were killed or maimed by his government. If he had done that, I could find some (not much) sympathy for him. That he hides in suburban D.C. thinking he'll spend the rest of his days between the mosque and the dialysis machine is at best moronic and at worst unrepentant. Take him to the gallows, I say.

Originally posted by -Serenity-: The title of this thread and the measure of 30 as old is very ... how can I be delicate here.. istubidh! It is far less depressing to die alone of old age than to spend a minute with the likes of Khayr, Sikaawe or Tuujiye.

Originally posted by Khayr: I see....and from there you talk on a somali alias and a keen interest in somali. Very interesting! Do you have any somali friends? Can you read somali too? Whats the history behind the Alias? am interested in knowing. You are a good singer. Shabeel, RUN!