Originally posted by Abu_Geeljire: Same old, Same old Ethiopia attacking somalia again Fighting Mad Mullahs again World powers supporting her again Other somalis helping them again Because they accuse the mullahs of being clannists again Some never things things never change............. Sadly, history constantly repeats itself. It seems we're bound to witness this again some decades or centuries down the road.

^ The schizophrenic nature of US foreign policy is fairly well documented. While dropping bombs in one region, they drop crates of food in another only to return later and bomb that same region. I'm grateful for the food they provide in aiding the poor but wish they'd stop serving them bombs from an AC-130 for dessert.

^ So that's one. What about those converted when "through famines and problems come christian organizations through the guise of 'HELP'"? You know, the numbers you assured us are there. Mr. Mariano was a Christian before the famines so he's irrelevant to your assertions. Originally posted by Taako Man: But I guess through your clan lens he was a MUJAHID eh? I'll consider this your waving of the white flag.

Public sentiment is very important and at the moment, the public loathes and will resist this puppet regime and the Ethiopians whose tanks they seek protection from.

Originally posted by Taako Man: All I am saying is that through famines and problems come christian organizations through the guise of 'HELP'. The numbers are there trust me. LOL. I'm sure many on this site would love to 'trust' you but they prefer to see these numbers instead.

^ It seems Taako Man suddenly developed a conscience when his likes where parading pictures of the burnt bodies of ICU fighters.

Do you really think JBiyow the African Union would squeeze in a session between Darfur, Somalia and all the other African hot spots to discuss the recognition of Somaliland? Why would they do it now under the glaring focus of the world when they've leisurely ignored the issue for the previous 15 years? Your optimism is bordering on delusion saaxib.

Originally posted by Violet: Is the guy in the last picture dead? No, he's just posing for the picture. Are you for real? Abu Ansaar, please remove that picture. Misguided by the cowardly regime as he was, may Allah have mercy on his soul.

This puppet regime is something else walaahi. Wasn't it the chief puppet himself who, just yesterday, declared "no opposition exists in the country?" So this resistance must be coming from the masses and not the so called militants. If so, why is Dinari, the spokesperson whose intelligence rivals that of a loaf of bread, allowed to talk this constant rubbish: "They want to destabilize the country to show that there is no peace in Somalia," Abdirahman Dinari said. No group has claimed responsibility for the attacks and Dinari did not offer evidence to prove the Council of Islamic Courts was behind the violence.

Somali gov't blames unrest on militants By SALAD DUHUL, Associated Press Writer Associated Press January 27, 2007 MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) - The spate of deadly violence in Somalia's capital in recent days is the work of an Islamic movement that was driven from Mogadishu and much of the country's south last month, a government spokesman said Saturday. "They want to destabilize the country to show that there is no peace in Somalia," Abdirahman Dinari said. No group has claimed responsibility for the attacks and Dinari did not offer evidence to prove the Council of Islamic Courts was behind the violence. But the radical group has vowed to launch an Iraq-style guerrilla war. The Somali government has been putting more troops on the streets this week as Ethiopian troops - whose military strength was crucial to helping drive out the Islamic militia - begin pulling out of the country. The withdrawal of Ethiopia, which says it cannot afford to stay in Somalia, raises a sense of urgency for the arrival of a proposed African peacekeeping force. The African Union has approved a plan to send about 8,000 peacekeepers for a six-month mission that would eventually be taken over by the U.N. South Africa dashed hopes Friday that it would contribute to a peacekeeping force in Somalia, with Defense Minister Mosiuoa Lekota saying the country's forces already were overstretched. Nigeria, Malawi and Uganda have said they want to contribute troops, but no firm plans are in place. Meanwhile, the capital and other parts of the country are being wracked by violence. Gunmen launched mortars on an Ethiopian base on the outskirts of Mogadishu late Friday, prompting a brief firefight. It was not clear if there were casualties. Earlier Friday, gunfire and mortar attacks in Mogadishu killed five people and injured at least four. Many Somalis resented the Ethiopian presence: their countries fought a war in 1977. But without Ethiopia's tanks and fighter jets, the Somali government could barely assert control outside one town and could not enter the capital, Mogadishu, which was ruled by the Council of Islamic Courts. The U.S. accused the group of having ties to al-Qaida. Earlier this month, Ethiopian and U.S. forces were pursuing three top al-Qaida suspects but failed to capture or kill them in an AC-130 strike in the southern part of Somalia. A main target was Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, one of three senior al-Qaida members blamed for the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. The U.S. Navy also has had forces in waters off the Somali coast, where they have monitored maritime traffic, boarded suspicious ships and interrogated crews in an attempt to catch anyone escaping the Somali military operations. AP Via Star Tribune

Somaliland is a foster child of Ethiopia. Getting a new daddy is not up to her. Now, unless you're speaking of little green creatures who came on a flying dish, I fail to see what you're talking about here.

Gunmen Attack Somali Police Stations Sunday January 28, 2007 12:01 PM By MOHAMED OLAD HASSAN Associated Press Writer MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) - Gunmen attacked a Somali police station Sunday, sparking an hourlong battle that killed two people just hours after two other stations were hit with machine-guns and rocket-propelled grenades, witnesses said. The increased violence in Mogadishu is boosting fears that the Somali government's tenuous grip on power isn't enough to safeguard this notoriously violent city. ``The gunmen ran away after reinforcements arrived to help the police,'' said Ifah Ahmed Ali, who witnessed the attack Sunday in northern Mogadishu. Late Saturday, gunmen attacked two police stations, wounding five people. It was not immediately clear whether the victims were civilians. The Somali government has been putting more soldiers on the streets this week as Ethiopian troops - whose military strength was crucial to helping drive out a radical Islamic militia last month - begin pulling out of the country. Government spokesman Abdirahman Dinari has blamed the spate of recent violence on the Council of Islamic Courts, which has vowed to launch an Iraq-style guerrilla war from their hiding places. No group has claimed responsibility for the attacks. The withdrawal of Ethiopia, which says it cannot afford to stay in Somalia, raises a sense of urgency for the arrival of a proposed African peacekeeping force. The African Union has approved a plan to send about 8,000 peacekeepers for a six-month mission that would eventually be taken over by the U.N. South Africa dashed hopes Friday that it would contribute to a peacekeeping force in Somalia, with Defense Minister Mosiuoa Lekota saying the country's forces already were overstretched. Nigeria, Malawi and Uganda have said they want to contribute troops, but no firm plans are in place. Also Saturday, 23 people accused of supporting the Islamic courts arrived in Mogadishu after being arrested in Kenya. Dinari said Sunday that the wives of three ``terrorists'' were among them. ``They were blindfolded and shackled with chains on their feet and handcuffs behind their backs,'' said Ahmed Yacqub, who saw the prisoners get off a plane at Mogadishu International Airport. Many Somalis resented the Ethiopian presence; the countries fought a war in 1977. But without Ethiopia's tanks and fighter jets, the Somali government could barely assert control outside one town and could not enter the capital, Mogadishu, which was ruled by the Council of Islamic Courts. The U.S. accused the group of having ties to al-Qaida. Earlier this month, Ethiopian and U.S. forces were pursuing three top al-Qaida suspects but failed to capture or kill them in an AC-130 strike in the southern part of Somalia. A main target was Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, one of three senior al-Qaida members blamed for the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. AP via The Guardian

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: ethio has nothing to do with Somaliland ,,, it has ties with better sites than ethiopia Who's the new and more powerful sugar daddy?

Mogadishu police hit in latest Somalia violence Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:00 PM GMT By Guled Mohamed MOGADISHU (Reuters) - Gunmen attacked a Somali security boss and fired rocket-propelled grenades at police stations in the latest wave of guerrilla-style ambushes on the government and its Ethiopian allies, residents said on Sunday. Gunmen opened fire on Mogadishu Police Chief Ali Said's convoy on Sunday afternoon, witnesses said. He survived, but one civilian was wounded in the ensuing shootout. "I heard a big explosion. When I came out of the shop, I saw uniformed police exchanging fire with gunmen in civilian clothes," said local shopkeeper Mohamed Hussein. Another seven people were hurt when gunmen fired rockets at two police stations in Mogadishu late on Saturday, before opening up with machine-guns at officers on guard outside. The government blamed remnants of an Islamist movement which vowed a long guerrilla war after it was ousted from Mogadishu over the New Year. "We will make sure such individuals are filtered from society and apprehended," said spokesman Abdirahman Dinari. Leaflets circulating at the weekend in Mogadishu, and purporting to be from the defeated Somalia Islamic Courts Council (SICC), urged residents to avoid collaboration with Ethiopians or face "losing lives and property". Ethiopia's military joined Somali government forces late last month in a two-week offensive that drove the Islamists out of strongholds in south Somalia they had held since June. Islamist fighters scattered to remote parts of the south, where they been attacked by Ethiopian and U.S. air strikes. Dinari scoffed at the pamphlets, which heightened tensions in Mogadishu. Killings and attacks have become virtually daily since the open warfare ended after the New Year. "This is cheap propaganda," Dinari said. "It will not work. I urge the people to work with the government and in particular the police in order to protect their lives." Witnesses said assailants on two vehicles fired two rockets at Wardigley police station in south Mogadishu late on Saturday, before shooting at officers on guard. Rockets were simultaneously fired at Howlwadag police station in the centre. "In Howlwadag, two policemen and three civilians were wounded while in Wardigley, a civilian and a policeman were injured," police officer Ali Nur told Reuters. ETHIOPIAN EXIT In Ethiopia, Prime Minister Meles Zenawi warned that while the Islamists were no longer a military threat, they could regroup if there was not reconciliation among Somali clans. "If the politics are not right, then they can in the future rebuild their capacity," he told Reuters in an interview. Although suspicion for the recent Mogadishu violence has fallen on hardcore remnants of the SICC, the Somali government has other enemies including warlord and clan militias, plus criminals opposed to the restoration of order. Meles also told Reuters a third of his troops in Somalia would be withdrawn by Sunday as part of a phased exit. That increased the urgency for an African peacekeeping force to Somalia, which many diplomats see as the only way to prevent a dangerous power vacuum in the Horn of Africa nation. President Abdullahi Yusuf's interim government, formed at peace talks in Kenya in late 2004, is the 14th attempt to restore central rule since the 1991 ouster of a dictator. It would be vulnerable without Ethiopia's military muscle. In another headache for Yusuf, militia loyal to self-appointed local governor and warlord Mohamed Dheere were seen patrolling the streets of Jowhar at the weekend after the government excluded him from a team named to run the area. Dheere said he would give up power in the rich agricultural area north of Mogadishu, but would not work with the new team. In the provincial town of Baidoa, Somalia's parliament voted to form a 15-member committee to prepare for the election of a new speaker. Nine lawmakers are competing for the post. The previous speaker, whom the government deemed pro-Islamist, was recently sacked in a move drawing international criticism that Yusuf's government was missing a crucial post-war opportunity to become more all-inclusive. (Additional reporting by Ibrahim Mohamed in Jowhar, Hassan Yare in Baidoa) Reuters

Originally posted by mystic: Castro, if only words could kill. Half of the TFG supporters would have being buried six feet deep by now. There are very few people I wish death upon and supporting a puppet regime does not qualify anyone for it. However, I agree with you it is utterly offensive to watch seemingly grown men cheer for a foreign force occupying their own country. Somalinimooy xaal qaado.

Mystic, I understand you're wishing the bold and italicized words would jump out of the screen and choke one of these puppet regime supporters but instead, they're taking out the seniors like me and MMA. Remember, the TFG supporters can't read anyway so you're posting this for the gallery.

With no AU peace keepers in sight for there really is no peace to keep and the rumors of Ethiopians withdrawing ( ), it must be very lonely and scary where atheero Abdillahi Yuusuf sits. I've been gone a week from this forum and it seems the euphoria oozing from the TFG supporters has faded already. The party is rapidly coming to an end and the hang over is about to set in. What will be of A/Y and the Somalis he claims to rule? Will they embrace him as their savior knight in shining (Ethiopian) armor or show him the door (as he deserves)?

Pardon my late reply, Le Point, for I've been indisposed. Originally posted by ThePoint: As I said - I was looking for the following 3 criteria to render probable your assertions regarding an "old plan to invade Somalia" 1- Evidence that there indeed was a formal plan to invade Somalia by either Ethiopians or the Americans that are older than a year at least; any plans drawn up within a period of less than 1 year are indicative of a reaction rather than some longstanding strategic objective 2- Evidence that shows there was a joint(Eth/US) recognition of an indentified single enemy or antagonist within the Somali political landscape prior to the emergence of the ICU 3- Evidence that shows there was a definite objective in mind for a new Somali political landscape(in concert with the purported plan of invasion) separate from and different to the past attempts at a national gov't I'm not sure what to make of your three points above. A straw man comes to mind but I've not known you to employ such tactic. Nonetheless, let me start with point 1 by reminding you no self-respecting invader publicizes a plan of invasion. Even rarer are "formal" such plans coming into light or even acknowledged as existing. Reasonable people would agree, however, that once a sizeable invasion is underway, as is the case with Somalia, it is fair to assume that a plan of sorts existed prior to the commencement of the invasion. They would further agree it is nearly impossible that such plans are put together over a matter of weeks, as you suggest. On point 2, again you use a caveat word ("joint") similar to formal in point 1, to stress no such common enemy exists or ever existed. I hate to disappoint you but at least one such case of an identified common enemy does exist. In the early 1990's, the current Ethiopian leadership menaced by the Oromo Liberation Front (OLF) recognized Aideed Sr., who was helping or turning a blind eye to the OLF's operations launched from within Somalia, as a threat to its existence. Around the same time, Aideed was the most wanted man in Africa by the United States. Sure, this could easily be a case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend but it is even easier to see it as an example of a concurrent identification of a common enemy. You can read more about this here In point three, you sought to find a "definite" objective in mind" for a new political landscape in Somalia but one that is different from all the other attempts at building a national government. Am I reading you right? I cannot fathom why anyone, least of all you, would go looking for such a thing for it does not exist. The plan to invade Somalia is an attempt to keep Somalia a weak neighbor to Ethiopia (by constantly fueling clan conflict) and/or ruled by subservient client (puppet) regime to the US. That was the desired political landscape all along. If you read this analysis authored prior to 9/11 and the genesis of the US "war on terror", you'll understand this current invasion is a continuation of the deep (and detrimental) involvement of Ethiopia in Somali affairs. This involvement has now found a willing partner in the United States whose visceral desire to control many areas of the world coincide quite nicely. If you recall, this is what I said at first, and I'm quoting myself here: "There's a remarkable body of evidence publicly available today showing how this recent Ethiopian/US invasion of Somalia was planned for some time." You'll notice I've refrained from setting a time frame on such a plan for only a few people would ever know of such things. In the lead up to the invasion of Iraq (which I am of the opinion was on the drawing board before Bush Jr. came along given the exponential increase of bombings in the "no-fly" zones towards the end of Clinton's term), it is hard to imagine there was no plan for such an invasion. It is even harder to imagine that such a plan would ever come to light. In conclusion, I suspect you have taken an exception to my use of the word remarkable. The word itself has a few meanings one of which is extraordinary and another is worthy of notice or attention. To have seen the formal plans you seek would have been extraordinary but to understand and acknowledge, within the context of the Ethiopian and Somali history coupled now with the US incessant involvement anywhere a Muslims (or oil) is sighted, is certainly worthy of notice and attention.

^ The 1.0 system the ICU used was 'ONE' for Islam. Good luck with your 4.5.

Originally posted by Violet: So basically you agree with what I said? The Ethiopians didn't invade Somalia..They were invited by government. Would you happen to have a rope handy? I'd like to hang myself.

NP, it's not Fox. It's the CBC. The Clan Broadcasting Corporation.

Originally posted by DigiTalbAct3ria: Why does the TFG need foreign troops (Ethiopian or AU) in the country? To impose an unpopular (even reviled) regime, the TFG, on the people while chasing away that which came from the people. Why can’t the TFG assert control in the trouble regions on their own the same way that the ICU did? They can't. No one wants them. The only way they can stay in power is through the barrel of an Ethiopian gun. Once that goes home, they'll be ousted.

4 "big" tribes, 0.5 all the rest. It's absolute bullshit, if you ask me. The idea is Somalis are divided into 4 big tribes and a whole bunch of "others" to become the 0.5. Using that magical 4.5 figure, the government, parliament and all things Somalia should be split that way. No mention of merit anywhere. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Violet: The Ethiopians were invited into Somalia by the government..So, again, how is this an occupation? :confused: It's not an occupation atheer. It's a party and the Ethiopians were invited by none other than the chief puppet himself. You may know him as atheero ( ) They came fully dressed for the occasion too. They brought great party favors in the form of MiGs, tanks and 15,000 troops. You think I'm funny? Think again. Work that melon on your shoulders. If you still think this is a party and Ethiopians were invited, the joke is on you!

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