^^^^ Just wondering Horn, do you have a poster of Hiiraale in your bedroom? What will you do when the Ethiopians kill him or imprison him? I mean do you admire the man or his movement? What exemplary qualities does he exhibit and what movement does he represent? Is he resisting the occupation and the puppet regime? Or is he simply a spoiled brat whom Meles doesn't like very much? I'm not putting you on the spot awoowe. This love affair you have with the dude seems a little too Freudian.

The curfew is a "success" indeed.

Mahmoud Abbas cares about the Palestinians as much as Karzai does of the Afghanis and Yey does of Somalis: zilch. All three share the same nijaas collaborator DNA.

^^^^ What you agree to is irrelevant and you know it awoowe. Now that the label is yours, how long do you think before the night skies are lit up?

Horn, they're now calling the Gedo boys Al-qaeda. Didn't I tell you they would? Now you can expect the AC-130 gunships to pay your boys a visit. Buckle up.

Aweys Osman Yusuf Mogadishu 23, June.07 ( Sh.M.Network) The situation in the port town of Kismayu is reported calm on Saturday following a heavy gun battle between the town’s two major clans on Friday. Col. Abdulahi Ismail Fartag, the commander of the third division of Somalia’s military forces, told Shabelle by the phone from Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, on Saturday that his forces have been attacked by what he called Al-Qaeda-linked Islamists. He said the fighting is between the third division (Merihan clan) and the 1st division (Majegteen) of Somalia’s government military troops in Ksimayu, 500 KM south of Mogadishu. “Both Somali forces from Merihan and Majecteen are fighting over the management of Kismayu and I have been assured that Al-Qaeda and Somalia’s Islamic Courts fighters were involved in the fighting,” he said. Contacts made by Shabelle with the commander of the 1st division, Col. Abdirisaq Afgadud, went impossible. More than people were killed and dozens more were wounded after the sub-clans skirmished in the port city of Kismayu yesterday. The leaders of both clans have been challenging over the administration of the port city since the T.F.G. backed by its Ethiopian allied troops routed out the Union of Islamic Courts in early this year. ******* clan militiamen now control Kismayu while rival clan militias are based on the outskirt of the town, according to our correspondent, Mohammed Ahmed. Shabelle

Karzai angry over West's tactics Mr Karzai looked visibly angry Nato and US-led troops are failing to co-ordinate with their Afghan allies and thereby causing civilian deaths, President Hamid Karzai has said. He criticised his Western allies' "extreme" use of force and said they should act as his government asked. "Innocent people are becoming victims of reckless operations" because the troops had ignored Afghan advice for years, Mr Karzai told reporters. He was speaking after a week in which up to 90 Afghan civilians were killed. More civilians have been killed this year as a result of foreign military action than have been killed by insurgents, correspondents say. 'Indiscriminate' Mr Karzai was speaking a day after the head of Nato called for an investigation into an air strike in the Afghan province of Helmand in which 25 civilians were killed. The importance of not killing civilians cannot be overestimated BBC's Alastair Leithead Q&A: Readers' questions The Afghan leader said foreign bombardment had also killed 62 civilians in the province of Uruzgan. "You don't fight a terrorist by firing a field gun 37km (24 miles) away into a target. That's definitely, surely bound to cause civilian casualties," he said. The south of the country has seen the worst violence since the Taleban were ousted from power in 2001 by US-led troops. Accusing international forces of consistently failing to co-ordinate with their Afghan colleagues, Mr Karzai said that, in future, every military operation should be co-ordinated directly with his government, in accordance with written plans he said already existed. "As you are aware over the past several days, as result of indiscriminate and imprecise operations of Nato and coalition forces, our people suffered casualties," Mr Karzai told reporters in Kabul, looking visibly angry. "We are thankful for their help to Afghanistan. But that does not mean that Afghan lives have no value. Afghan life is not cheap and it should not be treated as such," he said. 'One too many' In a separate incident, rockets fired by coalition forces in Afghanistan killed at least nine Pakistani civilians, the Pakistan military said on Saturday. Coalition forces were fighting militants in Afghanistan close to the Pakistan border when a few rockets came across the frontier, hitting a house. Pakistan is demanding an explanation, a spokesman said. Nato said about 60 militants in Afghanistan had been killed in the offensive. There are two international missions in Afghanistan: the Nato-led Isaf, with 37,000 troops from 37 countries including the US. Its aim is to help the Afghan government bring security, development and better governance. The US-led coalition - under the banner of Operation Enduring Freedom - is a counter-terrorism mission that involves mainly special forces. Both have recently been involved in heavy clashes with insurgents. Speaking in Quebec City, Canada, on Friday Nato's secretary general Jaap de Hoop Scheffer said no Nato, coalition or Afghan soldier would knowingly take aim at a civilian, and accused the Taleban of using civilians as human shields. "Each innocent civilian victim is one too many," he said. "Unfortunately it happens." BBC

Any armed group (including native Somalis from other regions) supporting the occupation and its puppet regime are legitimate targets.

With seven bombs going off in the first night. I'd say it was a tremendous success. For the resistance, that is. LOOOL.

Originally posted by Munira002: He has wrecked the economy of his country, his scandalous land reform has led to massive agricultural failure, severe commodity shortages, and worse is the flight of capital and skilled labour. The school I work at there are more than 20 very skilled teachers [White and Black Zimbabweans]. Atheer, presidents of any country neither make nor wreck economies. It works the same even in western countries. What wrecks economies, specially those of the third world, is economic strangulation perpetrated by the likes of the World Bank, the IMF, the WTO, the CIA and even the United Nations. This is accomplished using: 1) Vulture (unpayable) loans 2) Unfair trade practices (rejection of third world agriculture products then flood their markets with cheap subsidized products from the West) 3) Subversion by nurturing corrupt leadership and armament of rival groups even using paramilitary groups to suppress formation of labor unions. 4) Capital flight to the west with no reinvestment in the original country 5) Looting of natural resources And on and on and on.. MMA is on the money here. Mugabe may not be a mother Teresa but he's not the monster they're making him out to be. Vilification in the Western media of leaders that refuse to prostrate for the West is standard operating procedure. Think Castro, Chavez and many like them. In his old age, Mugabe either forgot how to play the game designed by the West or he developed a conscience. He's doomed either way as he's squarely in their crosshairs. Viking, I no longer drag my knuckles atheer as I walk upright nowadays.

Seven Killed in Fighting Among Somali Soldiers By Stephanie McCrummen Washington Post Foreign Service Saturday, June 23, 2007; A14 NAIROBI, June 22 -- In another sign of trouble for Somalia's transitional government, fighting erupted Friday among hundreds of government soldiers belonging to two rival sub-clans. Seven people were killed in the brief but heavy battle near the southern coastal city of Kismaayo, home to a lucrative port and fertile farmland that the *********, the sub-clan of Somali President Abdullahi Yusuf, and the *******, their historical enemies, would both like to control. Tensions between the two groups have been building for weeks, and mortar and antiaircraft fire broke out Friday morning. The rival soldiers, who numbered at least 800 and were joined by their respective sub-clan militias, commandeered heavy weapons and shelled each other for an hour along a road through a vacant, muddy swath of land, according to Kismaayo residents and Abdirisak Farah, a ******* commander. Then, still in their Somali army uniforms, they retreated. Yusuf's Ethiopian-backed government, which ousted an Islamic movement from power in January, has been accused by rival clans of putting the interests of Yusuf's clan and sub-clan above the cause of national unity and reconciliation. That perception, along with the continued presence of Ethiopian troops Somalis widely view as occupiers, has deepened the clan divisions evident in Friday's fighting. In Mogadishu, Somalia's capital, insurgent attacks against Ethiopian troops and Somali government officials have become almost routine. Yusuf and his Ethiopian backers have responded to the growing insurgency, composed of disgruntled clan militias and fighters loyal to the Islamic movement, with brute force. The latest crackdown began two weeks ago, as Ethiopian troops began arresting dozens and perhaps hundreds of Mogadishu businessmen suspected of supporting the opposition and conducting house-to-house searches for weapons. On Friday, Ethiopian troops accompanied by intelligence officials raided the offices of Hormud, the largest telecommunications company in Somalia, witnesses and a company official said. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said he believed that the raid was aimed at gathering phone records, which Hormud had refused to hand over. Ethiopian troops also busted open safes and locked drawers and absconded with thousands of dollars, he said. Washington Post

Mogadishu is put under a curfew as fighting persists in capital, key port city By MAHAD ELMI McClatchy-Tribune MOGADISHU, SOMALIA — The interim Somali government's hold on power appeared to slip Friday as fighting erupted in the port city of Kismayo between clan militias that had made up the government's armed forces. Residents reported at least seven dead and six wounded. Meanwhile, local authorities announced a dusk-to-dawn curfew starting Friday in Mogadishu, 300 miles north of Kismayo, amid continuing bomb blasts and door-to-door house searches by heavily armed Ethiopian forces backing the interim government. It was the first such curfew in the Somali capital since the Council of Islamic Courts, an Islamist government that U.S. officials had accused of giving sanctuary to al-Qaida fugitives, was overthrown in December. Even after the curfew began, seven large explosions shook the capital. It was unclear whether insurgents or security forces had detonated them. One roadside bomb struck a Somali police truck Friday, killing four officers and three civilians, among them a 10-year-old boy, authorities said. Bombs — improvised explosive devices similar to those used against U.S. forces in Iraq — have become routine in Mogadishu in the past months, exploding two to three times a day. Most have missed their targets, but Friday's hit showed that the insurgents have improved their mastery of the technique. Government officials blame remnants of the Islamic Courts movement for the increasing violence in the capital. In Kismayo, a fragile cease-fire between militias loyal to the Mareehan and ******ten sub-clans collapsed Thursday and the fighting broke out Friday. The two sides have been vying for control of Kismayo since April. The renewed conflict reflects the strategic importance of the port city. Houston Chronicle

MMA, we all know as Somali clans we have our issues. We fought and made up over the centuries only to fight again. That's just the nature of clans. Nowadays, we're under occupation. Occupiers will exploit the differences, weaknesses, historical conflicts and everything they can to distract the occupied populations. What is happening in Somalia (coast to coast) is either engineered by, approved by, instigated by, supervised by, financed by, overseen by, armed by, fueled by, exploited by, exacerbated by or directly committed by Ethiopia. Anyone here who believes otherwise is a damn fool. And you can quote me on that.

^^^^^ Inshallah one day we'll all be on the same page atheer. One day. Originally posted by N/AA: Here we go. :rolleyes: Actually, what you should have said is "here we go again". Meaning these small conflicts will continue to distract us from the enemy (who by the way is fueling them) until people like mudane HornAfrik resist the temptation to celebrate shallow and superficial victories of his kinsmen. And you had the audacity to rebuke The Duke for celebrating his own victories. Hada waxaan ogaaday inaanan walnayn ee in Cabuudwaaq laga heesayo.

Originally posted by N/AA: Ethiopia has nothing to do with Kismaayo. Nothing? So Kismaayo is now a sovereign state on a different continent? Are you sure Ethiopia has nothing to do with Kismaayo. Perhaps you believe Ethiopia is a friend of Gedo like JB believes its a friend of Somaliland. Ethiopia is not the one that named an unfair administration that consisted of men from Puntland, Ethiopia did not start an altercation within Kismaayo, Ethiopia is not the one that set up roadblocks on the outskirts of Kismaayo in an attempt to harass travelors. Who named the unfair administration? The TFG? Well who hand picked the TFG? Can you think outside the box a little? Go up the food chain perhaps? Ethiopia doesn't have to do every little thing. There's always some misguided souls tripping over each other to do its dirty work. Ethiopia ku faanin maayo but there is something fishy in your argument. Perhaps it is for show? Perhaps it is. Instead of attacking my motives, may be you could focus on what I said. Surely on some level it makes sense to you.

Originally posted by N/AA: Is Ethiopia practicing divide and conquer? Most likely, hell they probably are but even so they did not engineer the Kismaayo problem nor did they participate in it. So the Ethiopians are practicing divide and conquer, you agree, and they also "told" the Gedo boys they could defend themselves but, you insist, they "did not engineer" the Kismaayo conflict. Atheer, ma anaa waalan mise Cadan baa laga heesayaa? Do you even read what you write?

Originally posted by N/AA: The Ethiopians already told the Gedo Boys they have a right to defend themselves. Quote me on this. Well of course they did. It's called divide and conquer yaa Horn. Do you know what that means? It means pitting one group against another for as long as possible. The Z clan against the V clan, the W clan against T clan and so on. Ring a bell? It should. Go ahead. Celebrate this meaningless victory until Ethiopia "tells" another group of "boys" to take the Gedo boys down. Use your mind atheer, it surely is a terrible thing to waste.

Originally posted by Viking: Your enemy's enemy should not necessarily be your friend. Viking, I think you've been gone too long. Come back to the politics section where your enemy's enemy is your best friend.

^^^^ Aren't you the one who posted "Does khat cause mental illness?" Check yourself before you wreck yourself, son!

^^^^ Saaxib waan ku fahmay laakiin dantaydaa ii daran is not a good argument. If the Gedo folks are telling Yey what he wants to hear and then turning around to fight his men, they'll have to make up their mind at some point. Yey can simply ask: "are you with me or are you against me?" Or he may just ask the Ethiopians to bomb them into submission. It looks like this cat is out of the bag and if the Gedo boys don't form alliances quick, they'll find themselves bleeding alone under Ethiopian boots.

^^^^ If the Gedo boys join the resistance and turn on the occupation and the puppet regime, I'll start cheering for them. Until then, labada dhinacba futado ha go'do.

^^^^^ LOL. At least you admit inaad dhulka is wada dhigteen. Ha idiin macaanaato. Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: waar anagu isma dilno Not true. At least waxaad tidhaahda, anagu isdil waan soo dhamaysanay. That would be more accurate.

Clan fight breaks out for control of Somali port city AP Published: June 23, 2007, 00:05 Kismayo, Somalia: Clans using anti-aircraft missiles and machine guns battled for control of this strategic port city yesterday, killing at least seven people and wounding 11. The fighting between the *****ten and ******* clans broke out about 19 kilometers north of Kis-mayo, the third largest city in Somalia. Both clans have fought for Somalia's government in the past, but their long-standing clan disputes have taken precedence over their loyalty to the administration in recent months. "We have ejected criminals who were ambushing travellers from the Kismayo-Mogadishu road," said Hassan Mohammad Ali, a ******* clan elder. "We are still chasing them." Still battling Insurgents, along with clan militiamen, have been battling government and allied Ethiopian forces since they drove out the Council of Islamic Courts from Mogadishu and much of southern Somalia six months ago. Kismayo was the last major town held by the Council of Islamic Courts. The government announced a nightly curfew in the capital after a violent week in which at least 10 people were killed there, including four who died when a masked man hurled a hand grenade into a busy market. Police closed the market and were searching for weapons yesterday, witnesses said. Also yesterday, two government soldiers were killed when the vehicle they were travelling in was targeted by a roadside bomb near the seaport, according to Police Chief Colonel Ali Said. AP

^^^ Well at least dhinacna way kala dagaalaman dhinacna way ka la shaqeeyaan. Idinku dhulkaad is wada dhigteenee bal ka jawaab taa af janjeedha lahayde.

A Somali aid worker in Kismayo, Ali Bashi, tells VOA that the militiamen of both sub-clans are technically Somali government troops and government supporters, who are nevertheless bitterly divided along clan lines. But many Somalis in the capital and elsewhere say clan divisions recently have become sharper than ever, and they accuse top government leaders of manipulating those divisions to benefit their own clans and sub-clans. Live by the clan and you die by the clan.