^^^^ You prefer two-sided self-righteousness?

U sheeg, atheer. Kashafa is an old soul trapped in the body of a rightfully angry young man. Not only does he understand the big picture, he can articulate it very well with stinging humor and sharp sarcasm. Oh, and just in case you missed it:

^^^ And we wonder why the Sayyid went on a killing rampage of some of his own people a hundred years ago. Oh, and just in case you missed it:

Originally posted by Muslim Somali: The people of Sool, Cayn and Sanaag had enough of this satirical theater. Muslim Somali? Naga da dee.

Originally posted by NGONGE: Now what can I do in such a situation? Assume an angry pose to distract my troubled mind from the nightmares it will have if it thought of all those poor civilians being trampled on? Yes. Ignore the whole topic and pretend that all is well with the world? Yes, sometimes this as well. I choose to do neither and instead rationalise the whole thing and think of ways to get us out of this quandary. Good for you. Email me when you've found a solution. In the meantime, go away and leave me to my anger. :mad:

^^^^ If you publicly admit you support the breakaway region because you consider yourself among its elites and directly benefit from the status quo or the illusive recognition, I'll understand and deal with you accordingly. If you insist, however, this is an idealogical struggle for you, the common man in the Northwest, I'll continue to show the fraudulence of your stance. Deal?

Originally posted by Oodweyne: Consequently, it's not a cheap propaganda on our part, per se, that has secure our patrimony of deeds that is Las-Anod City , as we speak; but it's the certifiable gallant conduct of our Military Forces . What you call "gallant military forces" I prefer to label dabo-dhilif secessionist forces. Those whom they chased away are equally dabo-dhilif forces. The unmerited jubilance of your camp is almost as embarrassing as the sheepish wailing coming from the other camp. Indeed, shamelessness is without limit.

The first casualty of war is journalism. May Allah grant these brave souls his Jannah.

Heaviest fighting in months shakes Somali capital The Associated Press Saturday, October 27, 2007 MOGADISHU, Somalia: [Thoroughbred ] Insurgents and government-allied [dabo-dhilif ] forces battled with machine guns, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades Saturday in the heaviest fighting to hit Somalia's capital for months, leaving at least seven people dead and dozens others wounded, witnesses and health officials said. Islamic fighters briefly occupied a police station in south Mogadishu, before heading back out of the area, chanting "God is great," witnesses said. Witnesses said at least seven people including a woman had died in the heavy fighting, which saw insurgents and government troops and allied Ethiopian forces trading heavy machine-gun fire and mortar rounds. Insurgents could be seen firing rocket-propelled grenades. At least 35 people were under treatment at Mogadishu's Medina Hospital from injuries suffered during the fighting, including some who were seriously wounded, said Tahir Mohammed Mahmoud, an administrative assistant. He said it was the worst fighting, and heaviest day for hospital admissions, for at least four months in the war-scarred city. Another witness to the fighting, Hassan Hussein, said he saw two dead Ethiopian troops. Ethiopian officials were not immediately available for confirmation. On the political front, Prime Minister Ali Mohamed Gedi was in the Ethiopian capital, Addis Ababa, for consultations. He has been locked in a power struggle for months with President Abdullahi Yusuf, who wants to push through a no-confidence vote this week and form a new government — presumably without Gedi. On Friday, Gedi told local media that he was not planning to resign, contrary to widespread speculation. Twenty-two ministers and deputy ministers have threatened to resign unless the no-confidence vote is held, exposing deep rifts in the administration. Mogadishu has been plagued by fighting since government troops and their Ethiopian allies chased out the Council of Islamic Courts in December. For six months, the Islamic group controlled much of southern Somalia, and remnants have vowed to fight an Iraq-style insurgency. Thousands of civilians have been killed in the fighting this year. Somalia has not had a functioning governments since 1991, when rival warlords overthrew dictator Mohamed Siad Barre and then turned on each other. Some 1.5 million Somalis are now in need of food aid and protection — or 50 percent more that at the start of the year — due to inadequate rains, continuing internal displacement and a potential cholera epidemic, the U.N. says. ___ Associated Press Writer Mohammed Sheikh Nor contributed to this report.

Allahu Akbar Heavy fighting in Somali capital Some of the heaviest fighting in months has broken out between Ethiopian forces and local insurgents in Somalia's capital, Mogadishu. Residents say at least seven Ethiopians were killed and 11 Somali civilians taken to hospital amid shell and machine-gun fire. Somalia has seen a surge in violence since Ethiopian-backed government troops ousted Islamists last December. Hundreds of civilians have been killed in the fighting. Elders' appeal BBC Africa editor Martin Plaut says the latest clashes began after Ethiopia moved reinforcements and a convoy of 20 tanks and armoured cars into the city late on Friday. One of the vehicles was hit by a landmine and exploded. Early on Saturday the Ethiopians fanned out of their barracks and fighting erupted. Insurgents are reported to have captured and ransacked a police station. They later retreated chanting "God is great", witnesses said. Local resident Ismail Osman told the Reuters news agency: "Ethiopian troops and insurgents are fighting in every alley." Local elders are describing the Ethiopian offensive as a genocide and have appealed to the international community to intervene. Some 1,600 Ugandan troops are also in Mogadishu as part of a planned 8,000-strong African Union force to support the interim government. Somalia has been without an effective government since the civil war began in 1991. The UN says some 400,000 people have fled the violence in Mogadishu in the past four months. Source

^^^ 'Nite saaxib. Xoogsade, that was nice. Near perfect decapitation.

Xiinow, as long as they don't have the blood of the innocent on their hands, my support goes to anyone who fights the Ethiopians and their dabo-dhilifs.

^^^^ You may be right but since we're already in the gutter, there's no point capitulating to the likes of the TFG or their benefactors. I'll let you off the hook for now in the hope that you'll regain your senses.

^^^^ No doubt, this occupation will be around for a while. The real occupation, however, is our bondage to clan loyalty. Zenawi is just the symptom saaxib.

Xiinow, either you've been reading too much into Ngonge's hypnotic words in this thread, or Baashi is on vacation and made a stop in your town.

Originally posted by Xoogsade: PS:Anigaa clanish ah iska key celi, Castro is not. He is the Distinguished Somali from the North (glorious) South who cares about Somali's Unity and Prosperity than he cares about narrow clan bantustans. Born and raised (sorta) in Xamar, saaxib. Let's not spread any rumors now.

As long as some of us wail over the "occupation" ( ) of practically insignificant towns like Laas Caanood, Zenawi has no incentive whatsoever to relinquish control over the entire country. Come on now. Would anyone let go of their arch enemy, whom they have in a headlock on the ground, while he cries hot tears over his manicured nails being broken? Exactly. I'd stomp the sh!t out of him even more.

Originally posted by Khalaf: Xiin, thats what i been saying for long time, somalia at least the south should be put under Trustship (somewhat like colonization era), maybe this is what Ethiopia wants to do and she won't be able for obvious reasons.... but a Muslim country should do it or even America/Europe which are more capeable then Ethiopia. Only a TFG supporter would want to put the "south" in trusteeship. You don't really think those savages could govern themselves like Somalilandders and Puntlanders, do you?

Originally posted by Xoogsade: ^ LOL, Unfortunately, my own clan is rumoured to be part of daba-dhilifs I had a feeling you were a dabo-dhilif lying in wait.

Somalis lack the leadership it takes to remedy the damages that civil war done to them. And the hard facts are that Somalis need interference from outside to arrive a lasting solution to their civil strife. I'll buy that. But only when you reject, as you once did ( ), considering the TFG as part of the solution and by "outside interference" you're not including the Tigray. You're forcing me to fly out to your town and stalk you at that Dunn Brothers coffee shop.

Somalia Faces Major Humanitarian Crisis By Lisa Schlein Geneva 26 October 2007 The top United Nations Official in Somalia says that country is facing its worst humanitarian crisis in over a decade. He says aid workers are operating in a climate of suspicion and are subjected to enormous pressure and harassment from all parties. Lisa Schlein reports from Geneva. Eric Laroche, Humanitarian Coordinator for Somalia, speaks during a press briefing on the humanitarian situation in Somalia, at the United Nations building in Geneva, 26 Oct 2007 Eric Laroche speaks during a press briefing on the humanitarian situation in Somalia, at the United Nations building in Geneva, 26 Oct 2007 U.N. Humanitarian Coordinator for Somalia, Eric Laroche, says Somalia is reeling from a combination of natural and man-made disasters. He says a major drought and severe floods have rendered many people homeless and caused extensive crop loss. In April, he says Somalia was confronted with its worst civil war in 10 years. Fierce fighting between transitional government forces and rebel groups caused a mass exodus from the capital Mogadishu. He says more than three quarters of a million people are now displaced. Most have fled to overcrowded areas south of the capital. "Many people do not feel at home in Mogadishu," said Laroche. "Many of the mothers and fathers cannot feed their kids anymore. The enrollment rate in schools has dropped by 50 percent in Mogadishu. In the last month, there were 25,000 people leaving Mogadishu. Every day we now have 1,000 people leaving Mogadishu." Laroche says one and one half million people throughout the country need humanitarian assistance. He says all these problems are compounded by a major political crisis. He notes increased tension between the President and Vice President of Somalia's transitional government is adding fuel to the competing demands of clan leaders, warlords, rebel groups and militia. And squeezed in-between this dangerous mix he says are the humanitarian aid workers who are viewed with suspicion by all sides. "The harassment that health workers have been subject of, including myself, is on the increase-has been on the increase since the IDPs [internally displaced people] have been fleeing Mogadishu," said Laroche. "The fact that we started providing assistance to the IDP's. The government is always saying you are feeding the terrorists, is the term they are employing, using, you are feeding the terrorists. The reason they say said is precisely because it goes against their own interests," he added. U.N. Coordinator Laroche says it is extremely difficult to deliver aid to the displaced. He notes trucks carrying relief supplies to people in south and central Somalia have to pass more than 200 different roadblocks. At each one of these, he says drivers are forced to pay between $30 and $400 to the guards on duty. Over the past few months, he says targeted assassinations, roadside bombs and suicide bombers have been used with increasing frequency. Until now, he says these tactics never existed, making Somalia even more dangerous than before. Source

^^^^ Guru? I dunno man. Prolific writer, may be. But Guru? Perhaps on other issues but not on Somalia. The man is too biased to think outside the box. Originally posted by Oodweyne: All in all, I still have a good spot of affection for you, particularly since I know, you'll change your view of "Political truth" without me prodding you along the way; and you'll in no time come to sing the praises of Somaliland right here of SOL , in due course. I am about as likely to sing the praises of secession as you would of unity with the rest of Somalia. In fact, our exchanges the past few days got me thinking on an idea. I'll probably dedicate a thread to it in the near future. Keep it up old man. Your hope for an independent Somaliland will probably outlast the wretched entity itself. I'll look you up when I'm in London next. May be if I tell you in person you'd believe me.

Since NG and I have more or less arrived at an unpassable juncture, i would love to hear what other people think of the Alliance - critical or otherwise. I choose the Asmara group over the TFG 10 times out of 10. And this while taking into consideration the Asmara group's poor choices in allowing turncoat, buffoon and ex-CIA agents like ina Caydiid to be associated with them. They're not perfect but they're head and shoulders above the TFG and for six months in 2006, they proved it.

^^^^ If indeed these personalities (who knows how influential they really were?) did attend the "meeting", it is likely they were faced with aggressive gunboat diplomacy that left them no option but to acquiesce. Otherwise, they may simply have been bought off and turned into defectors, so to speak. Who knows. Oodweyne, if you write any more of these lengthy posts (which I've been respectful enough to read in its entirety), I will have no choice but to surrender out of sheer eye fatigue. You got your truce.

Good discussion. The truth, I suppose, has been narrowed down to the triangle with Bilaal, Ngonge and SB as vertices. Ngonge, a couple of questions for you: why do you believe Ethiopia's meddling in Somali affairs is "one of many unproven theories?" Are centuries of documented history not enough proof for you? Furthermore, why are those who condemn the current invasion and occupation engaging in the "biggest duplicity?" You will be hard pressed to find anyone who claims the atrocities committed by Ethiopians are any more heinous than those committed by, say, warlords of yesteryear or the disasters that were the 1990s. In addition to killing, maiming and destroying the livelihood of many tens of thousands of Somalis, the Ethiopian aggressors, unlike our domestic ruffian/warlord/dabo-dhilifs, have violated the sovereignty and the territorial integrity of, sadly, what's left of the motherland. Certainly the abhorrence of their other crimes has been of the same caliber as that of our home-grown criminals.