Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: quote: Somalia: 49 years later Utter failure ..... I almost started arguing with you then I saw your signature. Happy independence day my dear homeland.

Originally posted by Caano Geel: Don't upset your self bro, after all, you have to start the brainwashing somewhere. I suggest you go to the schools/colleges/uni versities and try to see what they define to be history there. You can tell most about a society by looking to what it tries to rub out of from its history It's been a very successful campaign of disinformation. It makes you wonder about what else has been erased or revised from history here and around the world. If I hadn't physically been in NW Somalia in 1987 and old enough to know better, I'd have believed the garbage too. What I wonder about however, is how grown men and women at home and in the Diaspora would parrot what they know to be outright (and outrageous) lies to anyone that cares to listen. Uff. You can brainwash your children but don't pull this shit on the rest of us.

^^^^ Saaxib Nur, Sorry if I came across as dispassionate. It wasn't intentional as I find these topics to be fascinating. Why is it inconceivable that the creator of everything, including a universe so vast, expanding and mysterious would have difficulty getting evolution in motion? Anyhow, I understand the obsession fundamentalist Christians have with debunking evolution. It goes against their belief that earth is 6000 years old and that man and dinosaur walked the earth at the same time but Muslims have no such quandary. So the more you attempt to explain the metaphysical to JB using the physical, the more he seems to fall off the edge. If we insist on digging for science in the Quran, perhaps we should ponder the verse in the Quran that roughly says God made all life out of water. There's not a single form of life ever discovered (or likely to be) that is not based on water. In other words, the absence of water = the absence of life. This is a never ending discussion by the way. Keep it going. I'll watch from the side lines.

Originally posted by Nur: Evolution's monkey business claims that the first proteins where formed "Randomly by chance". Source? Probabilistic calculations, however, show : For a single Protein's 500 amino acid sequence to be in the correct order, we have a probability of 1 in 10 raised to the power of 950 (Mathematicians consider a probability less than 1 in 10 raised to power of 50, as IMPOSSIBLE to occur) If the age of the earth is in the order of 1.45 X 10 raised to the power of 17 Seconds or 4.6 Billion Years! , and if it takes a single second for a every toss of your probability coin, Lucie has a lotta explanations to do of where she has been last night! Straw man? "The structure of the DNA was discovered by two scientists named Francis Crick and James Watson. Despite being an evolutionist, Crick said that DNA could never have emerged by coincidence". Source? "When one examines the vast number of possible structures that could result from a simple random combination of amino acids in an evaporating primordial pond, it is mind-boggling to believe that life could have originated in this way. It is more plausible that a Great Builder with a master plan would be required for such a task ". Perry Reeves, a professor of chemistry Is this the same Perry Reeves at Abilene Christian University? A little biased, ain't he?

Originally posted by Johnny B: The inherent desire to be intellectually dishonest just to shore up the Faith, is as divine as it gets. Unless someone is making money from their "faith", it's hard to see what they would gain from being intellectually dishonest. So it's hardly inherent as you claim. What is inherent, however, is the search for meaning to life that eventually leads many to faith or, as in your case, the lack thereof. You will also notice that the Quran and its interpretations may seem medieval, archaic and repetitive but you need to get beyond the language and into the meaning and essence. Until then, it will always be gobbledygook when you hear it. So read it for yourself. You'll be surprised what you find.

Originally posted by Geel_jire: ^ what do you expect from gutless qabil infested shills waa dad jiran oo uurka ka buka abti. ha la yaabin they would rather hear Al-shabaab massacred/murdered just to be proven right and get on their soap box .. then have the spine to admit how wrong they are about Al-shabaab How would you have Somalis behave in regards to the Shabaab? And by Somalis I mean the wretched TFG, Puntlanders, Somalilanders, the IDPs, the EDPs, the Diaspora, etc.. Furthermore, how would you have neighboring countries (and the world at large) behave in regards to the Shabaab? It's a little too convenient to dismiss people as "dad jiran oo uurka ka buka." So if most people are wrong about the Shabaab, as you believe, now is the time to right that wrong.

^^^^ Dude, this is straight out of the right-wing talk radio play book making fun of "72 virgins." How can you love it? Originally posted by Malika: Trying too hard isnt he? Mocking the ideology isnt funny at all,he can mock the Alshabaab for their misunderstanding of the deen,but not what Allah has promised those whom will fight in for his cause..Not funny at all! That Jannah exists is unquestionable by Muslims so making fun of the Shabab (who deserve it, really) at the expense of Jannah is unacceptable. Amin Amir messed up with this one.

It would be interesting to see how the tafsiir of these verses was before this "expanding universe" theory has been proven astronomically. Even more interesting is that an expanding universe is fact while evolution is the "ultimate lie" Much of science isn't mentioned in the Quran as the holy book is not an encyclopedia of scientific discoveries and theories. In other words, not being mentioned in the Quran doesn't necessarily mean something is false. For example, the age of the earth (4.4 billion years) is not directly mentioned in the Quran but some have attempted to "calculate" it from Quranic verses. You'll notice that one scientific calculation that can be used to age the earth is age of rocks or fossil records yet that same fossil record is unacceptable as proof of evolution. Furthermore, the most accepted age for the universe is about 13.5 billion years which is not exactly (or even that close to) the 18.26 billion the author calculates. It could be argued that with better telescopes and more advanced astronomy we may one day prove that the universe is in fact 18.26 billion years old but do we really want to go down the path of digging for Quranic proof of every scientific theory?

^^^^ I see where you're going atheer. The point I'm trying to make is that France ought to know better than entertain such nonsense. Civil liberties (as this proposed niqaab ban is) should not be an issue in France, of all places. Specially in regards to dress that is a religious practice. To hide behind culture and customs, as Sarkozy seems to be doing, is not only hypocritical but xenophobic and racist. Lets hold all violators of personal freedoms equally responsible. Sure. But let's start with the ones that already allow freedom of religion, speech and assembly to not regress by banning a dress. The others, well, it's a bit of an uphill battle. Edit: You wouldn't happen to be related to a fellow by the name of Socod-badne, would you?

^^^^ Fallen off the wagon, have we? Originally posted by NGONGE: Duushay, adeer, duushay. Now the USA i issuing threats to a country that does not exist. Dude, come on. Don't you think getting cozy with Payne would have made it easier to whisper sweet nothings about recognition in his ear? Say it with me: No Payne, no gain (-ing recognition)

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: In case in point-just observe how Slanders and Planders -one accusing the other of betraying Somali nation,and the other hitting back with the 'slogan' you abandon Somalia. It got to the stage where even the Somali literature became point of contention. I know what you're thinking.

Originally posted by Kashafa: ^^ Money and his "Somali-Americans" are honorary Ethiopians. They will cheer on any Ethiopian invasion. Xiin, since you live in Minneapolis, don't forget to attend the D.h.a.b.h.o.d.h.i.l. i.f gathering. It would not be complete without you and Jimcaale, and the rest of the Gaalo-raac in MPLS. Kashafa, have you completely lost it? What is a gaalo-raac atheer? You mean a friend of a non-muslim? A companion? What are you accusing people of? Supporting Ethiopia? Come on man. You know that's a false accusation. Does gaalo-raac include you and I who live in the West? I mean that would be the ultimate gaalo-raacnimo, wouldn't it? That would be gaalo-noqonimo according to your logic. Atheer, don't confuse issues here. Sharif has messed up by re-inviting Ethiopia but the Shabab are messing up even more. Unless you believe suicide bombings are an Islamically legitimate tactic in which case, we got nothing to talk about.

^^^^ Yeah, you added 10,000 posts since I saw you last. Talk about being busy. Don't be too excited to see me. I've attacked you in the other thread so get your game face on.

Originally posted by *Ibtisam: When did concepts such as the real sons to somalua become your slogan? Around the same time you acquired your secessionist card. Or did you think you had a monopoly on delusion?

Originally posted by Raamsade: You know, in Iran, millions of women want to take off their chador but can't under the totalitarian regime of the Ayotallahs. Why doesn't she and others all across the world, not only Europe, who are in a tantrum over the proposed banning of burkas/niqabs in France speak for the rights of Iranian women? Or Somali women who are forced to wear the Niqab by force? What's the difference? Liberté, égalité, fraternité? That's the difference! It called HYPOCRISY when you don't practice what you preach? Capice? Iran's totalitarian regime doesn't bother pretending there are freedoms or equality so they can do whatever they want but Sarkozy, who has no problem with men humping men, finds the niqab (which is an easy target) utterly offensive. Que passa? Atheer, I'm no fan of niqaab but I, Sarkozy and everyone else should mind their damn business.

Here are at least three hundred proofs that God exists. Hundred's of Proofs of God's Existence (lol) My favorite is this one: ARGUMENT FROM INCOMPREHENSIBILITY (1) Flabble glurk zoom boink blubba snurgleschnortz ping! (2) No one has ever refuted (1). (3) Therefore, God exists.

^^^^ It's OK atheer to admit this was a gaff. No point defending an ill-conceived political decision. But what many don't understand is that much of politics occurs behind the scenes and I'm sure Riyaale (or the people who really rule Somaliland) must be sending kiss-and-make-up envoys to meet with congressman Payne. But on this episode, Somaliland has been out-maneuvered by Faroole, or was it Faralow?

^^^^ Human mercy is in short supply atheer. They can't just dish it out to every "gaal oo bakhtiya". Allah's mercy is infinite and if humans could, they'd ration that too. Just look at how mercilessly we treat each other in Somalia. Worse than animals walaahi for animals kill without malice.

Originally posted by Nephissa: Wa Alaikuma Salaam, I have never made it from scratch. I always get egg-roll wrap from the halal store to wrap my sambusa. Tastes just as good as anything you could make from scratch... Egg-roll wrap? You Kung Pao chicken eating maryooley. Amina/Tammy, try tortilla (wheat or white) but not the frozen type. While it's soft, spread it like you're making a quesadilla and cut into 4 quarters. It makes a thicker than usual pocket but it will soak much less oil. And use some good quality tortilla and preferably olive oil. I'm an expert on these things. I've watched my wife make them for years while I veg on the couch. Let me know how it works.

^^^ I sang Michael Jackson lyrics long before I knew a word of English. We're all awaiting death but it's a damn shame the king of pop spent his last years being chased around by nasty media and white-people kangaroo courts. RIP yaa Michael. Your worries are no more.

^^^ The almighty shows the way saaxib. All you're doing here is looking down on each other. He mocks you for your beliefs and you ridicule him for his disbelief. A rather fruitless game of tug.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Castro, i could not tell if yours was a mere sarcasm or not. assuming it's not, if you are asking who the forces of intolerence are, the answer is one word: alshabaab. That's actually two words saaxib. The Shabaab are definitely a new phenomenon in Somalia. Only time will tell if they will last. Even foreign fighters return home one day so let's see if the battered people will embrace the "youth" (led by the geriatrics). I doubt it but I've been wrong before. ps. Kashafa and co has been in a festive mood That is indeed ayaan daro if it is true.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Waranle, your rant is noted. shariifku waa adeerkay ee iidaa ninyahow haddad ilaahay taqan lol. U sheeg atheer. Some people see the world only through an "atheer" prism. Door knöb fowqal door knöb dheh.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: the purpose of this post is to remind those who are in an exaggerated state of festivity that ciyaari waa gelin danbe. The conflict is sadly far from over. Somalia will be back, and the forces of intolerance will be defeated insha Allah. Xiin, other than the usual "Yey, our idol, has been vindicated" and "look at these animals in the South, where's our recognition?" crowds, I don't see anyone else in festive mood. What forces of intolerance are you speaking about? I say let the Shabab take over then watch as they open dialog channels with the US and Ethiopia. You might even read about Dahir Aweys appealing one day to neighboring countries to protect his government from the next Islamic, Clannic, or drug induced uprising. Sheikh Sharif? lol. I'm sure Yey has an adjacent room available in his hotel in Yemen. It's called the Treachery Hotel and Resort of San'aa. The bloodletting of this nation is far from over, atheer. Another decade, at the very least.

Originally posted by Nur: Johnny boy When you encounter the God that I worship, it will not be a joke, but before you, many people who spoke mockery at Allah have passed away, and you will also pass away, then will you tell me what kind of God He is. Nur :confused: Nur, he can't tell you anything when he's dead. Did I misunderstand you when you wrote this earlier: Atheists have more arguments than the above, their most lethal lie is the evolution theory, which reduces life to chance, their logical fallacies are helped by Christianity which lost its way and Judaism which dropped Allah for the Gold. How did you then turn around and quote from this Christian site to bolster your argument against evolution? Anyhow, you capitulated to JB too soon. He is a lost soul but he has a certain honesty about him. Inshallah he will find the right path. Your mockery of his disbelief, as it were, and your tantrum at the end of this "debate" didn't help much.