Originally posted by 7 0f Nine: Castro , foreplay is Islamically encouraged. Evidence please.

Originally posted by Warrior of Light: Excuse my language but they are but a bunch of cowards. WOL, that's such polite language. I'm sure you had harsher words in mind. I don't know about being cowards though. They were caught between a rock and a hard place. Allow muslims arbitration, with all that it entails, or deny jews and christians. The went for the latter. This reminds me of my childhood when two of my siblings would get mom or dad to concede something and I or another sibling would come along and ask for the same thing. Predictably, mom or dad would outlaw the whole thing for everyone. Needless to say, the last sibling usually got a nice beating from the other two.

^^^ You do know that #9 is haraam, don't you? I can google the fatwa for you if you like.

Originally posted by Le Femme: I don't like homosexuals. I will not be friends with one. However, neither will I try to dish out any kind of punishment or argue and debate with them. I know my weaknesses and I shall leave some other person the responsiblity of 'enlightening' them. By enlighten them you mean release the hounds on them? And just out of curiousity...what would those labels you had for me be? It's been a long time that I've been called something. For that you will have to re-read one of Kashafa's qom loot posts somewhere in this Starbucks mess. And if it's been a while that you've been called names, wait no more, you silly rabbit.

Originally posted by ALexus.: Ophra, the negro lady, who has her own show in America, which is also aired around the world. Your avator picture looks like her. Lexxy, about that letter .....

Originally posted by Naku Penda Piya: Who's Ofra? Why it's Ofra Haza. Oh I miss her so.

Originally posted by young_gal: congrats.....name me after ur kids You mean name your kids after me? Who said SOL is not a place of love? Congrats to the newly weds.

Originally posted by ALexus.: I can't believe I am getting emotional about this but I love you guys Naku Penda Piya Castro, can I get that in writing? In a letter. Hey now. Send a self-addressed stamped envelope. Quick, before I change my mind.

^^ And who ruffled your feathers young lady? You are right, we're constantly judging so it is a moot point. You're also right in that what we do with the our judgments is what counts. But that says nothing of your stand on this issue and at the risk of using 1,200 OBTUSE labels on you, a la Kashafa, where is the beef woman? Vite!

^^^ Yeah really, eh? After listening to the "Don't cry for me Argentina" doo doo, Lexxy is posting more than ever. I can't believe I'm gonna say this publicly but I .... actually ...... want ..... her ..... to ....... stay. I do.

Originally posted by Kashafa: Why else would someone inquire about the sexual orientation of his pet. I think you meant to say animal companion for pet is the politically incorrect way to refer to them.

Originally posted by Quruxleey: That much armpit hair should be illegal! Mmmmm. Arm pit hair!

Originally posted by Katrina: Fidel, it's sad to say but many mothers and female relatives TODAY try to pass that crap onto younger generation. Times are changing. The list is really impractical more than anything else. And although it may be practised somewhere, living in the west makes it a bit difficult to implement. 7's list on the other hand is just a bunch of man hating bologne. Seriously, it's the wrong response to a despicable list.

^^^ So what happened to the dog, Ngonge?

I get the impression the author is excusing the shameful response to the NO disaster. Politically, he claims, the Bush administration should not be brought to the altar for what is a natural and even expected event. That's only half the truth. While Katrina itself is natural, the response was anything but. From abject poverty of those who couldn't evacuate to the missing national guard that was half way across the world. Theodicy has no place in the last two man made calamities. Cuba and its excellent response to what is an annual devestating hurricane season is proof that the author is mistaken about Bush and Katrina. On the other hand, divine retribution to earthly prodigality is mentioned in the Quran repeatedly. But those were ancient theodicies. Nowadays, we know when a hurricane has its beginnings off the west coast of Africa. In fact, for three months, during the hurricane season, it's certain that some island or the mainland US will be hit by a big storm. We can even track them real time and know the magnitude of its destructive winds. It is only a matter of time before humans will be able to control and harness that awesome power. Effectively, what has changed is our understanding of natural events, also called disasters. Theodicy requires belief in a system of instant rewards and punishments. As such, it is difficult to fit into the marathon-like battery of tests humans go through during a lifetime and would be judged against in yom al qiyama. If Katrina was a theodicy in action, where is the cleansing that comes with it?

Allah's decrees are there. We also live on earth and the day of judgment is not here yet. What can we do in the meantime? We can choose to be our own little gods and pass judgment, and execute it sometimes, or we can keep our beliefs to ourselves and let the allmighty take care of business. Liibaan, tell me, what is the alternative to tolerance? Eradication of gays? A final solution a la Hitler? Indifference? Sticking our heads in the sand? If I recall correctly, associating other gods with the One is the gravest sin of all. I don't see anyone getting hot and bothered about Hinduism or other multi-god religions. Come on. Calling gays faggots does not make one a good muslim. Or a good human being for that matter. I've taken it a bit further in that I can't possibly dehumanize anyone for something I feel they have no control over. That last one is a personal choice that shouldn't reflect negatively on kashafa or any one else around here. Like Jay Z said, what I eat don't make you sh!t. Originally posted by Animal Farm: you must be a leftover hippie from the sixties era. I missed the sixties by a few hundred days. A tragic mistake on my part. As Somalis we are the non-practicing gatekeepers of the religion, we can’t have anything deviant become normality in our thinking or in our lives. Certainly we can’t have the acceptance of homosexuals, and you can’t have people accept the concept over night, even the so-called enlightened have problems accepting the institutionalization of same sex marriages as demonstrated by current political culture of your country. Nuggets of wisdom in a river of mud slinging.

Another awesome season is upon us. My favourite team is the Indianapolis Colts. That makes Marvin Harrison and Peyton Manning my favorite WR and QB, respectively. My fantasy football team is called the Jersey Village Negroes and it has both Harrison and Manning on it. We will be the champs this year. Who do you think will come out on top come February next year in Detroit? Why do you think that is? My choice is the Philadelphia Eagles or the Colts. The first came close 4 out of the last 5 years. And the Colts are just monsters, I tell ya. Monsters!

I was not a checkout dude at 16. My first paid job was cleaning and vaccuming an office building. I learned right then and there that gringos had all the money and negros did all the real work.

Originally posted by Nazra: My first job was at a big supermarket, as a check out chick. Aged:16 Top that i say. Wow. That is hard to top. Which is more difficult? Being sixteen? Being a checkout chick? Or being a checkout chick at sixteen? The first one is very difficult to achieve. Most people never even fathom achieving the second one. And it is statistically impossible to combine the two at the same time. Nazra, you're right. No one can top that. I'm surprised I hadn't read about this monumental achievement in the New York Times.

Originally posted by Kashafa: I wasn't looking forward to a debate as much as to understand how you reached your conclusion. I will allow you this one time to call me enlightened. Just this time. By poking fun at your 'research', I thought you'd present it and back it up. Sad to say that you haven't addressed the points raised and stuck to your talking points( Who-am-I-to-judge-consenting-adults etc) Far be it from me to provide evidence in this Google age. But if I had the means to conduct such science, believe me, I would. You should have known from the start I'd stick to my guns. Or did you think I'd made up my mind when 7 was served coffee in a girlie cup? No worries, As long as it's your opinion bereft of factual evidence-there's no accounting for tastes. Even though you're a Cuban-puffin', J.D-swiggin', fruitcake-toleratin' Somali, you one cool old head. It is my opinion. And being called names hasn't changed my mind about anything. Specially when I'm right. But aside from that. It would be educational if you'd put aside the homophobia, for that's what it is, fear, and talk of homosexuality without sounding like you're being cornered and have to scream for help. Is that a fair request? Finally, tolerance is not a word I like too much. But for the lack of a better word, I do tolerate such behavior you find to be the "foulest of foul". Tell me, which one of us has actually used reason and thought about the issue?

JB, interesting, yes, but pathetically so. I can't believe this was the official guide for young women about to be married. And where else? Right here in the U.S. (albeit in the 1950's). There's a bunch of assumptions being made in the list. One, the wife has no job outside the home. An assumption you can't make nowadays. Two, a wife has no emotions. What woman worth her dirac would do some of the things they mention in that thing? I don't know about you, JB, but I wouldn't want a wife like that. No way, no how. @WOL: good luck finding a man like that. That's why it's the perfect situation. It never would happen.

Originally posted by Kashafa: Castro, The shall-not-judge schtick doesn't befit you. It's lazy and a big no no for a nomad your age. You say it's natural. And ?? What ?? Are you cool with it ? Would you mind if your son joined you next time you hit the local annual gay pride parade If it pains you to hear it, I will say it again, Just for you. I don't know for sure if it's natural or not, but it's highly likely that it is. In that sense, I don't see it as sinful. But even if I did see it as sinful, it's someone else's munkar and let them answer for it in some other place at some other time. If it were a sin, it would occur between two consenting adults (like prostitution, for example) and would only do localized harm. It's funny that male homosexuality is an abomination while female homosexuality is, well, curiosity. Does this have anything to do with the so called manliness of man? Furthermore, assimilation has nothing to do with this for I have the same arguments I'm having with you that I do with the reddest of rednecks. It is easier, as you well know good Kashafa, swimming with the tide than against it. (Why a straight Muslim family man would even consider going is beyond me.) A lot of things are beyond you, dude. Not the least of which is this.

1. Have dinner ready: Plan ahead, even the night before, to have a delicious meal - on time. This is a way of letting him know that you have been thinking about him, and are concerned about his needs. Most men are hungry when they come home and the prospects of a good meal are part of the warm welcome needed. 2. Prepare yourself: Take 15 minutes to rest so you will be refreshed when he arrives. Touch up your makeup, put a ribbon in your hair and be fresh looking. He has just been with a lot of work-weary people. Be a little gay and a little more interesting. His boring day may need a lift. 3. Clear away the clutter. Make one last trip through the main part of the house just before your husband arrives, gathering up school books, toys, paper, etc. Then run a dust cloth over the tables. Your husband will feel he has reached a haven of rest and order, and it will give you a lift, too. 4. Prepare the children: Take a few minutes to wash the children's hands and faces if they are small, comb their hair, and if necessary, change their clothes. They are little treasures and he would like to see them playing the part. 5. Minimize the noise: At the time of his arrival, eliminate all noise of washer, dryer, dishwasher or vacuum. Try to encourage the children to be quiet. Be happy to see him. Greet him with a warm smile and be glad to see him. 6. Some Don'ts: Don't greet him with problems or complaints. Don't complain if he's late for dinner. Count this as minor compared with what he might have gone through that day. 7. Make him comfortable: Have him lean back in a comfortable chair or suggest he lie down in the bedroom. Have a cool or warm drink ready for him. Arrange his pillow and offer to take off his shoes. Speak in a low, soft, soothing and pleasant voice. Allow him to relax and unwind. 8. Listen to him: You may have a dozen things to tell him, but the moment of his arrival is not the time. Let him talk first. 9. Make the evening his: Never complain if he does not take you out to dinner or to other places of entertainment; instead, try to understand his world of strain and pressure, his need to be home and relax. 10. The goal: Try to make your home a place of peace and order where your husband can relax. A great formula for a successful marriage or a recipe for a quick divorce? Let me know what you think. You've probably guessed what I think. Source

Such a good topic. Thanks. I need to think about it before I respond.

Originally posted by liibaan: One member of Mr Bush's staff said such allegations "broke his heart". This guy actually has a heart? Can you believe it? I didn't think it was possible.