^ Turkey is trying to get into the EU. As such, every little thing they do (or don't) is under the microscope. How do you want to approach this, Femme? As a culture with backward practices or one that is purposely (rightly or wrongly) being made to look backward?

Originally posted by Khayr: Castro and Callypso, Would you stop complimenting each other so much.Some people might get jealous with all that 'bonding' the two of you are doing.I can see that you two are good 'mates' Instead of contributing to this topic, the pretender of Islamic knowledge that you are, you touched your toes and talked out of your a$$. Fyi, I'd be honored to have Callypso as a friend. You? I'd kick to the curb in a milli-second. As you were.

Originally posted by liibaan: Maybe you could phone Muhammad Cadaan, at least you got his phone # Where is the white dude? He and I have some unfinished budniss.

Originally posted by Zafir: Zu Libaax, ma carootey? I guess that was my poor way of attempting to crack a joke. Sorry libaax no buns intended. Where would we be without you Mr. Freud?

^ Is that some sort of a puzzle? Ok, this is what I know so far: he's in Calgary, he's banned from Las Canood, he's got a funny looking afro. I can't figure this out? Can I phone a friend?

^ Dead or not, how I miss free healthcare.

Originally posted by Pretty Tone: I thought catching those feelings were alone to the females....What do you mean you can not live without your new love? All I have to say is MAN UP... ^ Atheer with a name like Pretty Tone, you should speak! :rolleyes:

^ Atheer you've already hijacked it, killed the pilot, and now the plane is out of fuel and rapidly descending into earth. I think this needs to be explored further. Femme, I'm just kidding above.

Originally posted by Callypso: Indicating that biologically women are "meant" to entertain multiple partners as well. Yet no divine acknowledgement to make their lives less burdensome. Callypso, I've no reference in the Quraan to show aknowledgment. This does not mean it doesn't exist, but merely that I'm unaware of it. Though I do know of this hadeeth: عن †â€Ø£Ø¨ÙŠ هريرة †â€Ù‚ال †â€Ø¬Ø§Ø¡ †â€Ø±Ø¬Ù„ †â€Ø¥Ù„Ù‰ رسول الله †â€ØµÙ„Ù‰ الله عليه وسلم †â€Ùقال من أحق الناس بحسن صحابتي قال †â€Ø£Ù…Ùƒ قال ثم من قال ثم أمك قال Which roughly translates to: A person came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Who among the people is most deserving my companionship (of a kind treatment from me?) He said: Your mother. He, again, said: Then who (is the next one)? He said: It is your mother (who deserves the best treatment from you). He said: Then who (is the next one)? He (the Holy Prophet) said: It is your mother. He (again) said: Then who? Thereupon he (The Prophet (peace be upon him)) said: It is your father. The roles of males and females are more or less defined when it comes to procreation. Males provide the sperm, females provide the egg and they carry (and care for) the baby for sometime. The 'investment' each has in this transaction is different. Men have little investment and therefore seem to recieve the greater return on that investment when it comes to the offspring. Women put 'a lot' into this transaction and receive about the same level of return. To acknowledge this, I believe, women must have either an easier path to heaven or tougher road to hell. I don't know. I'm no Islamic scholar, but I do acknowledge the existence of the disparity you spoke of. May be someone else could enlighten both of us.

^ WOL, the study emphasizes involvement in a teenager's life. Even if Faarax were to stay with his family, and not follow the second woman, there is no guarantee he would be any more or less involved with his kids. Awareness of the child's whereabouts, their friends, their activities, their school, their grades, and their spare time is the deterrent to delinquency and pre-adulthood sex. That awareness is difficult for one parent and must be shared. If all Halimo #1 was interested in were the latest dirac fashions and jewelery, Faarax's departure is a moot point. Similarly, if all Faarax did was chew Qaad and hang out with his buddies outside the family home, then his kids would be just as doomed if he were to leave the family for Halimo #2. Reducing this issue to runaway hormones and testosterone is simplistic. The health of the couple's relationship is at issue here. There are major structural changes that need to occur for that family unit to survive. To begin that process of restructuring, the couple must have (satisfactory) answers to the following: does the father work and support the family? Does the mother work? Do they agree on who manages the finances? Do they have inlaws (negatively) interfering in their lives? How old are the children? Is there domestic violence? Is there drug or alcohol abuse? Are there any health issues (mental or physical)? How long have they been married? How many kids do they have? How old is the youngest child? How religious are the parents? Complex issues rarely surender to simple solutions. Clearly, by seeking other females to fulfil a void, Faarax's whims are a symptom of larger problem and a break down that's been going on for months, if not years. If I were Faarax, I'd stay with my family and fix what's broken here instead of building a new house. Good luck to all concerned.

^ It's not Islam. It's the culture. And in other news, fresh series of bombings in Iraq.

Brethren or not, atheer, I won't be shocked or feel sorry for criminals. It's their victims that need that from me.

Ngonge for president?

^ Seeing that mods are pushing for this, I wouldn't trust a "poll" done on SOL. We don't know what kind of power they have in affecting the outcome. Here's an impromptu poll (conducted earlier today): Create a men's only section? All against: 450 (including JB and myself) All in favor: 3 (Muhammad, Rahima and Nur) I think this is decisive. Moving on.

^ Adeer, whether you're male or female, I'd still call you atheer. To call you eedo would mean I'm female, which I'm not (though sometimes I wish I were). Capisce?

^ It's not an essay, atheer.

^ Life is short, saaxib. Follow your heart. The kids will grow up no matter what. Studies show that long term effects of divorce occur only in a minority of children. A far greater damage to children is to grow up in an abusive home devoid of love, compassion and respect between the parents. Just a thought.

^ So far atheer there's only one lady calling for this. Let's not exaggerate and make this to be a movement. It isn't. And unlike my dear JB, I don't believe Rahima is arrogant. She's a capable MOD and an articulate nomad. Sometimes, however, she goes berserk.

^ Our topic poster is confusing the difficulty with which rape case pass through the legal system with the share of the blame the victim has. By posting the article above, he is insinuating that success in the courts is predicated on the sobriety and 'proper' dress of the accuser. He may be right but that only shows that his ilk are everywhere. He is further insisting that blame is shared because the victim is unable to remember whether she consented or not. To each his own, I say. I'm out of this topic.

^ Eunichs kulaha. That's hillarious JB. Do you know of any on SOL?

^ Atheeryal, no matter how many mods Rahima hires to promote her idea, it still won't fly. A men's section is simply unnecessary. Being the dominant gender on this forum, men have EVERY section in this forum. It's a bit like BET (the black channel). The reason it was started is because white people "had" every other channel. So to come up with something like WET would have simply been foolish. The site is predominantly men and they are everywhere. Creating a corner for men would have nothing unique or interesting to add to this forum.

^ Dude, why Somalia? Why as a tourist? Can't you drive to the Czech Republic or something for your vacation?

Originally posted by Rahima: How much do you wanna bet on that ? Don’t test me Castro, don’t underestimate my powers :cool: . Atheer, I think you're the one who's over-estimating your so called "powers". Go ahead, I'm testing you. Let's see what you can do.

^ I should have known you had an agenda all along. Silly me.

^ We're not leaving the women's section and you can't kick us out. Capisce? All the married men in here are hunting for second (and subsequent) wives and the single men for first wives. Don't be a party pooper, ok?