Originally posted by Zafir: ^^ Were the chosen people at one point in time, but now, we are the chosen people. Does that mean we'll finally unite and be successful? But we haven't had our Holocaust yet. Is that coming too?

^ You don't mean they look like 'niggas', by any chance, do you? Cause I've heard some Somalis say they're the darkest possible shade of white. Could you be one of them? :rolleyes:

^ I remember the 1982 finals when Paulo Rossi scored 3500 goals. Some of you here weren't even born. Sheesh!

^ Are they the 'chosen people' or what?

^ Atheer, come naked, bring chicken wings and don't block the TV; the game is on.

Is that a little white kid in the bottom picture or my eyes are deceivng me?

^ Atheer you're right. All Ms. Omaar is saying is let us improve what we have control over (governance, human rights, the economy) and not worry about that we have little or no control over (recognition). The latter will come, if it were meant to be, in due time. To use recognition as the be all and end all is retarded. To neglect what matters most to the people while using the illusive recognition as the cause of all the ills is duplicitous. That's it. Oh, and the woman is HOT!

^ Here it is good Xiin: liberal adj 1: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant of his opponent's opinions" [syn: broad, large-minded, tolerant] 2: having political or social views favoring reform and progress 3: tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition [ant: conservative] I never complain when my fellow nomad Alle-ubaahne calls me a liberal. I hope now he'd understand why.

^ Atheer, there must be more enduring and complex rationales for the Holocaust reminders we constantly face besides the cries of "frightened little girls". I'm sure you'll appreciate that the cries of any victim are heeded as long as there is awareness of the events. Take the Rwandan genocide of 1994, for example. The US refused to officially call it a genocide but insisted, instead, on claiming acts of genocide have been committed. The same reaction the US had to Rwanda, it must have had to Germany and the Final Solution. It probably referred to it as acts of genocide back then too. My point is, why does the Shoah (of six decades ago) receive exponentially more commemoration and coverage than the Rwandan genocide that occured a mere decade ago? Are the victims of the Holocaust more innocent? The perpetrators more vile? Or are there more tangible and materialistic motives behind this non-stop reliving of the Holocaust?

^ Wow, another comedian. This place is becoming a circus. Welcome aboard dude.

^ True, but how many of them do we commemorate and remember as much as the Holocaust? What makes the Shoah so special?

^ In my senior year in college, I took a religion course focusing on the commemoration of the Holocaust. The aim of the course was to show the many forms commemoration of the Shoah takes. From monuments, to galleries, to museums, to classes to even movies. So one day, while going through the manifestations of the remembrance, I raised the question of why so much commemoration. The professor's and 20 other pair of eyes were glued to me instantly. It's as if I suddenly pointed out the pink elephant in the room. I got an A in that class for a paper I wrote on Schindler (the character behind Spielberg's movie by the same name). The professor (a visibly staunch supporter of Israel and also a Jew) loved it. I believe he loved it not because it was a particulary positive take on the Shoah commemorations, but because it was a 'fresh' (his own word) look at why remembrance of the Holocaust was necessary. So what was my fresh look at the Holocaust and its rememberance? I argued that the nature of the Holocaust, though not largest in scale, was an acutely horrific event. The victims were civilians, the manner was burning and the goal was ideological. In comparison to this, I chose the slavery of Africans in America. This Holocaust in its own right (though many Jews don't like the word association) occured over centuries. The victims were civilians, the manner was utter brutality and the goal was acquisition of wealth. Similiar still is the plight of native Americans, the continued impasse of the Palestinians and other large scale attrocities (even genocides). There is a case to be made for those who insist this never ending commemoration is too much. Though I would argue the level of awareness other attrocities have received may be a reflection of how poorly organized those victims and their descendents are. I don't know. I certainly know more about the Holocaust than any other similarly horrific event. What intrigues me nowadays, though, are some of the motives behind this continued reminders. Is this a case of using the Holocaust to justify some of the actions of the state of Israel? Can the Holocaust occur again, as some of the commemorators insist? Does suffering such a calamity make the victims or survivors irreproachable going forward?

^ Atheer there's nothing impressive about a sub 40% literacy rate. It means 1 out of 2 men can't read and 3 out of 4 women can't read. I'd say we are at least 50 years behind Kenya in education.

Could this be one reason why Jews are so adamant about teaching the Shoah: Thursday, 8 December 2005, 18:19 GMT Iran's president says move Israel Iran's conservative president has said that Israel should be moved to Europe. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that if Germany and Austria felt responsible for the Jewish Holocaust, they should give up land to make room for Israel. "You oppressed them, so give a part of Europe to the Zionist regime so they can establish any government they want," he said on a visit to Mecca. The president's remarks were quickly condemned by Israel and the US. "This is not the first time, unfortunately, that the Iranian president has expressed the most outrageous ideas concerning Jews and Israel," Israeli foreign ministry spokesman Mark Regev said. "He is not just Israel's problem. He is a worry for the entire international community," he added. White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the Iranian leader's comments "further underscore our concerns about the regime". "And it's all the more reason why it's so important that the regime not have the ability to develop nuclear weapons," he said. Mr Ahmadinejad's stance drew condemnation from French President Jacques Chirac and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who were meeting in Berlin. "The comments by the Iranian president are totally unacceptable," said Ms Merkel. 'Palestinians paying the price' In October, Mr Ahmadinejad caused an outcry by calling for Israel to "be wiped off the map". In his latest remarks, he accused European governments of backing Israel because of the Holocaust. "Is it not true that European countries insist that they committed a Jewish genocide? They say that Hitler burned millions of Jews in furnaces... and exiled them," Mr Ahmadinejad said at a news conference in the Saudi Arabian holy city. "Then because the Jews have been oppressed during World War II, therefore they [the Europeans] have to support the occupying regime of Jerusalem. We do not accept this," he said. "The question is, where do those who rule in Palestine as occupiers come from? Where were they born? Where did their fathers live? They have no roots in Palestine but they have taken the fate of Palestine in their hands," Mr Ahmadinejad added. "Isn't the right to national self-determination one of the principles of the United Nations charter? Why do they deprive Palestinians of this right?" The president's comments come as Iran is mired in controversy over its nuclear programme, which it says is solely for the provision of fuel, but which the US says is aimed at producing nuclear weapons. An International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) report in September said questions about Iran's nuclear programme remained unanswered despite an intensive investigation. Source

How much do you agree, or disagree, with the statement below? If you agree, what makes the Shoah historically unique among other similar events? If you don't agree, what other historical events could, or should, be widely investigated and commemorated? Why Teach the Shoah? The Shoah has been seen as an event that fundamentally challenges the foundations upon which human civilization rests. It has generated a credibility crisis of major proportions in our most basic assumptions about the nature of humankind and of society, of the modern state, and of our responsibilities as citizens of the world to speak up and act to stop the unjust suffering of innocent people everywhere. At the core of the Holocaust was the decision to murder every single Jewish man, woman and child. Nazism, drawing upon earlier antisemitic traditions, and welding them together with more modern trends such as fascism and racism, developed a total world view that served to raise mass murder to the highest of ideological imperatives. The apparatus of the modern state was systematically and fully enlisted in order to implement this task. The "War Against the Jews" was launched simultaneously with and parallel to World War II, and, in the view of many scholars, was the real motivating force behind the actions of the Nazi leader, Adolf Hitler. The indifference of the governments and peoples of the world to the fate of the Jews and the other victims of the Third Reich is a stain on the collective conscience of mankind. The ease with which they accepted the fundamental breaches of human and civil rights by an antisemitic and racist regime should stand as a warning to us all. Therefore, the intensive study of this historical event should be a high priority for everyone everywhere. However, as with all complex events, the Holocaust easily lends itself to varied interpretations and misinterpretations. The problem is compounded by its highly emotional impact. In order to address this problem, the International School for Holocaust Studies at Yad Vashem has created a Summer and Winter program for educators with the appropriate academic and pedagogic tools to enable graduates to confront and discuss the main issues surrounding the causes and effects of the Shoah. Source

^ Waryaa Brown, find a little girl to flirt with and leave me alone.

^ I see. The interesting part of the whole experience is that it happened to me before. That time, it was on religion and not "little girls". No matter. I'm sure I'll run into Amiirah again. This time, it'll be why English is my preferred language of communication.

^ I know what an SOB is but what's an SOH? See, I'm not well versed in the young people's lingo nowadays?

Originally posted by Brown McPharax: Lool.Talk of inflated ego. Truth be told,You are not very much liked sxb [Dont make me put a poll up in this Muthhaa] Atheer this is not a popularity contest. Being liked is irrelevent in the cyber world.

^ So many little girls and not enough hours in the day.

What a delightful zoo that place is. Here's a not so imaginary conversation: Amiirah: So Castro, the big bad wolf. Castro: Hey, what's going on? Amiirah: So, you're trying to find a second wife here cause your first one is old, fat and ugly. Castro: Possibly. I haven't decided yet. Amiirah: You're here flirting with young girls on the site. Have you no shame? Castro: If you wanna call that flirting, sure, I am flirting with young girls. Amiirah: You're pathetic and you make me sick. A grown a$$ man chasing after little girls. Castro: Atheer, are you a little girl? Have I chased after you? What's really bothering you? Amiirah: You're an id!ot and a coward. That's what's bothering me. Castro: Do I know you atheer? Amiirah: I wouldn't want to know a pervert like you. Now the gloves come off Castro: Ok atheer. You're one (small) piece of cow shidh. Amiirah: There, show your true colors. Castro: You're lonely, sad and rejected by society and this room is your only avenue of relief. Amiirah: eff of you pervert with the fat, old, ugly wife. Castro: You said that already. Amiirah: Does she leave you cold in your bed at night? Castro: Focus, we're talking about you now. Amiirah: You wish you could talk to me. Castro: Atheer no one wants to talk to you or be with you, remember. That's the cause of your entire anger and frustation. Your idea of a romantic evening is five fingers and a paper towel. Amiirah: eff you fa**ot, with a fat, old, ugly wife. Castro: Atheer you're just being silly now. You sound like a dude too. Amiirah: why I gotta be a dude to call you a pervert, fa**ot with an old, fat, ugly wife who's after little girls on SOL. Castro: Atheer you can call me whatever you want, I couldn't care less. Think of all the ants you step on everyday without knowing. That's how I think of you atheer. Amiirah: eff you, you old, bald, stupidh Faarax with the old, cold, fat and ugly wife. Castro: Not even an old, cold, fat and ugly woman is interested in you. It's a miracle evolution has not weeded you out earlier. Amiirah: ............... Castro: Did you not understand that last part? Amiirah: eff you. Castro: Sorry, you can't. My old, cold, fat and ugly wife is calling me. Ta ta.

^ You look better than good atheer. You look great. Welcome to Nomadia.

Originally posted by Femme Fatale: P.S. Don't tell me YOU havent suffered from it yet. No, I have. And I'm loving it. It's the only crisis I've had so far where I'm not broke. It doesn't much feel like a crisis at all.

^ That's great, atheer. Now some might be calling for more than a Muharam for you. They might suggest a cage. I keep giving you these heads ups in the hope you put 'em to good use.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Besides, I am beginning to like how she plays this sport. Fair enough. In that case, I strongly suggest you wear a helmet and protective eye-wear yourself. Foxy didn't get the name by birth. She earned it.