^ The sooner you shut your mouth, the faster our memories will be cleansed of your xaar ideas. Please, hush now. Originally posted by Haniif: Are you encorageing somali women to marry nonsomali and have a baby like that women? Do you want them to have criminal and immoral children? One more time, uff.

^ WTF? Dude, any "faq gaal jareer" is better than a Somali that thinks like you. Uff.

Originally posted by Haniif: So to all the somali girls here talking about how they wanna mary a white guy and have a baby with blue eyes and yellow hair; just keep in mind that you might end up having a baby with 3 blue eyes and yellow hair You don't happen to work for John Ashcroft, do you? You sure seem to be well versed in his color-coded terror (fear) alert system. Originally posted by Caamir: We can still preserve our culture but generation after generation, it would all be gone. In about five generations that's exactly what occurs. So even if Baashi and Xiin are strict advocates of preserving the Somali "way of life", Xiin Jr. and Baashi Jr. will be semi preserved. In 50 years when Xiin the 3rd and Baashi the 3rd are ready to propagate their genes, being Somali will be an exotic thing kids tell their friends. Xiin the 4th: Hey Baashi the 4th, check this out. Baashi the 4th: Whassup? Xiin the 4th: It says here your great grandpa came on flight 13 to America. Here's his green card. 1995. Damn. That nigga was old. Baashi the 4th: Green card. Bwahahahaha. I wonder why my dad never mentioned this to my mom. Xiin the 4th: Probably coz your mom wouldn't have married his skinny black azz knowing his grand father was on flight 13. Baashi the 4th: Where the hell is Somalia anyway? Xiin the 4th: It doesn't exist anymore. It's a whole bunch of countries now.

Originally posted by The Flipmode..: Hey hey hey...Somali 'Supuus' ain't that Kind unless she was herself a Wacel..I am feeling it walahi.. Did the story touch a raw nerve for you?

Waryaa Kashnare, unless you know information other than you disclosed here, your inference is far-fetched. Extrapolating regret of a marriage and hatred of a son from a check-out lane incident is too much saaxib. Tweak that anecdote and try again.

Originally posted by Kashanre: She regretted her earlier action (marriage to the African American) so much that she came to despise her own son and his physical appearence to that degree. Atheer your conclusion doesn't quite flow nicely from the story you mentioned. First, many ex-wives despise their ex-husbands no matter what race or creed they were. Second, having a little boy or girl act-a-fool in a grocery checkout lane would make any parent lose their cool. So it's not so much hatred of the child and his physical appearance but being under duress as a single parent.

Saying merry christmas is not an endorsement of the deity of Jesus. That line of thought is demented. And for a people who live in an ocean of christianity and wish to be aknowledged and respected for our holidays and celebrations, we're showing an immense amount of intolerance.

^ It's an illness, atheer, not kibir. In fact the misery and destitution you mentioned in Somalia is the very trigger of depression in many expats. And no, prayer and meditation do not alleviate the serious cases. So which part of "it's a disease" do you not understand, good Liibaan?

^ Maya atheer, no one knows why the site was down. If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say it's due to the cost of keeping the site. The generous Admin would purchase the most affordable hosting solution (one with no guaranteed uptime) because gauranteed uptime costs mucho dinero. Comprende atheer? So, if (more like when) there are subscription fees on SOL, we can roast the admin for the downtime. Until then, we need to chill. :cool:

^ Atheer when you start paying subscription fees to Admin, you can "expect", and demand, an explanation. Until then, be happy this service exists at no cost to you.

^ I know you're not a techie atheer. Try now.

Originally posted by HumbleHeart: but on the one hand it's infact a bad way of teaching, on the other hand children may not learn if teachers don't have some form of a punishment for them. Atheer I'd choose not learning over death any day for my kids. I'd snap that wadaad's neck before he can say sorry if he did that to my kids.

^ Ana waxaan ku iri fardo laysu hayo laysuguma faane, chat room-ka is keen.

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Edited: In that case, I'll take my jab back. Community-ga aad sheegeeso atheer, waan ka faraxashay anigu. Saaxib, our people are allergic to hard work. They huddle in masses to wallow in their collective misery. I don't want to be involved in that. Those who want to do better, do so by leaving. Besides, this whole business of "Somali community" in the west will have dissapeared within a few short decades. The survivors will thrive (individually, of course) and the rest will perish.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Wali kaama harin, jecliyaa markaad cararto ! Mahaan aan ku taaganahay atheer. Malaha waxaad istiri Castro faduul buu iskugalay. Not this time. Originally posted by xiinfaniin: There is a world of deference between not being able to help and contribute for the community to succeed and to miserably fail to see the value of such initiative, adeer. I'd say it's mostly the former and (specifically for Somalis) some of the latter. Originally posted by xiinfaniin: As it stands now, you seem to fall in the latter category. I am disappointed in you, saaxiib. You'll get over the disappointment as soon as you realize the futility in getting Somali expats out of their predicament. We have two solutions, if I may paraphrase yours. You insist that by sticking together (even physically) the whole community will succeed. I, on the other hand, am advocating the role and importance of the nuclear family and that, with or without a "community", its success depends on elements within the family and not without. So, if that family succeeds and others like it do the same, then the "community" will have succeeded. Without having to ghettoize any part of a town. Originally posted by xiinfaniin: P.S: Realist have become the trenches of cowards now days. What is it that you think I'm afraid of? The effort involved in community building? The high rate of failure of such efforts? Dealing with maryooley? What is it saaxib? I'm out a few hours. Have a field day till then. Markaan so noqdaan shaqo kaa qaban.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: It was not long ago when I was invited by my fellow students to device a mentoring plan where we rescue high school kids from getting stuck in the ghetto life. I was pleased to see ambitious Somali college students who were willing to make a difference in those poor high schoolers lives. A lot of them volunteered and it worked. Each student got a high schooler and we had done some profiles to do the matching. The parents of those kids were contacted and informed to know what we were up to. Most were pleased as well. That’s how you can help community succeed. Not by moving out and watching them struggle from the comfort of your distance, saaxiib. Senor Xiin, my natural inclination is to embrace all that you're saying. How could anyone disgaree? However, I was an ambitious college student too and I've paid my dues then. I've got urgent matters now and this community you speak of is not in the top 3 so the back burner (or off the stove) is where it will go. I feel not an iota of guilt to say this. As for Somalis retaining culture and faith, I can only say this about that: timirtii horaba dab loo waa. Save yourself atheer. Save yourself. P.S. What you call cowardly I prefer to label realistic.

McPharax, do what you need to do to give your kids a chance saaxib. Life is hard as it is without adding on other problems to your plate. When your kids have grown and can stand on their own two feet, then you can give back to the community. Until then, the community can, and must, wait.

^ Very well said, atheer. I mean it. Now, let me introduce you to the worlds smallest violin. Rub your index finger against your thumb to produce classic music. There. You can do it. Great points, The Point. You've covered the issue from all sides. The violin joke was just that.

Originally posted by McPharax: But you do not have control over what goes on in the house next door.If them kids are running around unsupervised,its gonna somehow spill over to the rest of the neighborhood or neighboring kids. Move dude. Move. The neighbors and their rowdy kids can stay. I'm gone. Face them kulaha. Atheer dantayda icuslaysay.

Xiinow, I've seen with mine own eyes a Xaajiyo Boodey with 5 children whom she gathers up for a 2 hour weeknight homework sessions. Mr. Xaajiyo Boodey works like a dog in a menial job. He comes home and passes out from exhaustion. Xaajiyo herself knows not a word of English. Her kids all help each other. The oldest passes down his skills to the youngest. What Xaajiyo compensates for her lack of education is the will to break the cycle of bad parenting. She's there with milk and cookies and to prevent idle chat when homework awaits. She knows she can't help with the math problems, but she will be damned if she puts up her hands in the air. She will monitor the kids from a distance. Know where they go and what they do. She will choose to stay home most of the time rather than go next door and chill with her homies. Atheer, that's what I'm talking about. This ideal of the Smiths as a family you seem to speak of is not a myth. It's doable and it is being done. Hands on parenting inside the home does not require any community involvement. Four of Xaajiyo Boodey's kids have made it to college. She still doesn't speak English but the fruits of her labor are evident and she can only thank herself and the Lord for that. Community my a$$. Had to throw that last one in there to get you warmed up. Though you've got a much cooler head than awoowe Baashi who's easily agitated.

^ Atheer, mama Anab and her friends can stay in the ghetto if they so wish. I'm moving out. I will not move 100 miles away but to a decent neighborhood of hardworking, blue collar folk like myself. Ones who care about their children by doing the following: 1) Follow their school progress 2) Do homework with them EVERY NIGHT 3) Spend ample time with them socializing 4) Read to them if they're young 5) Enroll them in sports activities 6) Be aware of who they're friends with and how and where they spend their time. Doing the above will significantly reduce, if not eliminate, the risk of any child's delinquency. If we can't do this as parents, what the heck is the point of calling oneself a parent? And you're mistaken dude, it's not just a choice between the ghetto and 100 miles out of town. There is a viable middle ground. Finally, it's been my experience that the most successful Somalis are those who (literally) keep their distance from other Somalis. I don't understand the mechanics of this but for some reason, whenever our people live in close proximity in great numbers, they simply don't succeed as much as those who live further away or in cities with few Somalis. This puts the community concept on shaky ground, doesn't it? Don't ask me for evidence of this because I don't have any stats. It's just a personal observation.

^ Naah. I'm just harassing Kashanre. Though the urge to return is great (and seasonal), it is highly unlikely I will ever make Somalia my home. Sad but true. The top contenders for my 401(k) dollars, at the moment, are Cuba, Brazil or Venezuela. Inshallah.

^ Why wait atheer? Are you a doctor who left? Chances are pretty good you'll die and be burried right where you live now.

^ So, where's oday Baashi who's worried about a couple of thousand (if that) delinquent fat pricks selling weed in Minneapolis or Toronto? Look at the numbers above atheer and tell me, from which side of the Atlantic does the disaster loom?