^ She said he must not be of her tribe. That instantly rules you out.

^ Is that the Ontario Science Center (Don Mills & Eglinton)? If you're the kid in the picture, aren't you a little too young to be on SOL?

Let us see how Americans react when they are the villains in a movie. They've demonized everyone else for decades but now the shoe is on the other foot. It'll be fun to watch. And the reactions to it will be even more fun.

Originally posted by Say(y)id Qutb: What would be the desired outcome or the "idea" behind such a thread? Arguments, more arguing and further divisions amongst the already divided muslim populations? The desired outcome is to avoid having a dubious fatwa shoved down people's throats. That's the desired outcome. Anyhow, do what you like. This is a public forum.

Good Ducaqabe, this would never work. Sorry to be blunt but laws made in Cairo will not prosecute a Danish cartoonist. It's that simple. What it will do is increase the censorship and oppression Egyptian journalists are already suffering from. This battle will not be waged in the Middle East or any other muslim country. We can abstain from cheese and never drink Coca Cola for as long as we live but that won't mean a thing to those we perceive as offenders. My initial euphoria of the boycott faded with the eventual realization that its futile as with all the ones that came before it. The battle has to be fought right here in the west and in the courts. Bomb threats of embassies and suicide missions to cafes won't do it. In fact, it will do just the opposite and only "prove" what the cartoons were claiming. Saaxib when blacks fought segregation in the courts against a vicious and blood-thirsty system, they succeeded with hard work and ingenuity. They used his system to beat Jim Crowe. We need to do the same. We need to beat the Danes with their own laws. Their insistence that no laws were broken is injury on top of the cartoon insults. What they're basically telling us is we're not people that understand the rule of law and that we shouldn't expect to be treated with any respect. This thing must be challenged, yes, but in the courts and not by taking guns to the EU mission in Gaza. We're far more numerous, educated and wealthy than the ex-slaves 100 years ago but how come we don't have the strength, committment or the ingenuity they managed to muster. The enemy within, saaxib, is as bad as the enemy without.

By asking you and others to go find out for themselves, I didn't mean you'd post your own private and favorite fatwa on here, saaxib. I ask you again to provide a link to this fatwa (among all the others that exist out there). Better yet, start a new thread that discusses insurance and its permissibility in Islam. I promise I'll drop by.

Originally posted by NGONGE: We find their words offensive, they find our faith offensive! We both should be free to hold these opinions. Saaxib you had me nodding in agreement all the way till the last sentence. I do not accept this statement of yours if by holding an opinion you mean publishing it in a daily newspaper. I can hold an opinion all I want but when I walk up to someone's face and share that opinion with them, I better be damn sure they will not be offended by it, and if they are, I should be ready, willing and able to accept the consequences. Being offended by a faith does not give one the right to offend the faithful of that faith. Similarly, being offended by a lifestyle, race or color of a person does not mean I have the right to offend that person. My desire to offend directly conflicts with his desire not be offended. Edited: There is a risk of provocation we all take by exercising our free speech. That's where the gray matter lies.

Originally posted by Say(y)id Qutb: ^What do you mean "if the contract is done rightly", could use please reflect and expand on that statement? This is not a thread about Insurance is (or is not) riba. Please, go and find out for yourself. In fact, everyone should.

^ Not if the contract is done right. There's no blanket insurance-is-haram fatwa. If you have it, let me know. Thanks.

Ahura iyo Bishaaro caught a bad case of biciidkaan dili doono. As was the original intent of the thread, women have 2:1 odds (50% chance) of ending up divorced and without a sole bread winner in the household. The moral of that statistic is you are best advised to make sure that something other than a husband (who might die, get disabled or flee to a younger woman) would provide for you in case things don't go as planned. Quite a simple concept really. May none of you be ever be faced with this but if it happens, you will have hopefully heeded this advice and acted accordingly. Edited to add: Taking out a life insurance policy on your spouse (even without his knowledge) is a good idea. In fact, both husband and wife should have a policy of some sort.

^ Save your money or donate to the starving Africans instead of lining the pockets of the lottery commission.

It's not that small. It's only 76 million to one. Which, with your luck ( ), is quite impossible anyway.

^ That's musuqmaasuq.

^ It's haram atheer, but if you win, holla at your boy. I'm kidding.

^ Poor UD, I mean Jack.

^ This one should be more familiar: LONELY.

^ Keep that thought atheer. Don't let a Faarax come in between you and your fulus. Yalla inshallah.

^ Kuligeen atheer. I bring these articles up once in a while but somehow the message gets lost in the role playing saga that is SOL. Inshalla wa halkii Ngonge, I'll keep beating that drum till it gets through.

^ Soon you'll be a proud commie, just like your atheer.

This is finally news in the US. (CNN) -- The international storm over cartoon drawings of the Prophet Mohammad published in European media gathered pace across the Islamic world Thursday with angry demonstrations and the shutting down of the EU office in Gaza City. In Paris, the daily newspaper France Soir fired its managing editor after it republished the caricatures Wednesday, and in Pakistan protesters marched chanting "Death to Denmark" and "Death to France." Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan was quoted as saying the cartoons -- one depicting the founder of Islam wearing a turban resembling a bomb --showed press freedom should have its limits. Muslims consider it sacrilegious to produce a likeness of the Prophet Mohammad. (CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons in respect for Islam.) "The cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad are an attack on our spiritual values. There should be a limit to press freedom," the state Anatolian news agency quoted Erdogan as telling French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy during talks in Ankara. Meanwhile, Denmark summoned overseas envoys in Copenhagen for talks, Reuters reported. Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen said the issue had gone beyond a feud between Copenhagen and the Muslim world and now centered on Western free speech versus taboos in Islam, which is the second religion in many European countries. In continuing protests, Palestinian gunmen shut the European Union office Thursday in Gaza City, writing on the door that the office would remain closed until the Europeans apologize to Muslims, Palestinian security sources told CNN. Wearing masks, the men -- from Islamic Jihad and the al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, the armed wing of Fatah -- fired bullets into the air and one of them read demands. On Monday, a similar demonstration occurred in Gaza City to protest of a series of cartoons in a Danish newspaper considered offensive by many Muslims. (Full story) Palestinian officials said the gunmen were threatening to kidnap European workers if the European Union did not apologize. The drawings first ran in a Danish paper in September. The same 12 cartoons were published Wednesday by two European newspapers -- Die Welt in Berlin, and France Soir in Paris -- who characterized the publications as a matter of free speech. France Soir published the cartoons under the headline, "Yes, one has the right to caricature God." (Full story) Both newspapers said they were publishing the cartoons in solidarity with the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten, which both newspapers said had the right to publish the cartoons in a free society with a free press. 'Editor fired' Following the publication in Paris, according to the authoritative daily newspaper Le Monde, the publisher of France Soir, Raymond Lakah, fired the editorial director of the newspaper, Jacques Lefranc. (Full story) According to Le Monde, which described Lakah as "Franco-Egyptian," the publisher issued a statement saying he had decided to fire Lefranc as president and director of the newspaper in "a strong sign of respect to the intimate convictions and beliefs of each individual." On Wednesday, Iraqis urged their government to cut diplomatic ties with Denmark and Norway because of the publication of the cartoons. Iraqi Islamic leaders called on worshippers to stage demonstrations from Baghdad to the southern city of Basra following main weekly prayer services Friday to condemn the caricatures. The Arabic-language news channel Al-Jazeera broadcast a report with the cartoons heavily distorted. The culture editor of Jyllands-Posten, Fleming Rose, apologized for the publication of the cartoons, saying the newspaper did not mean to offend Muslims and said the cartoons had to be understood in context. Norway suspended operations at its office in the West Bank town of Ram, just outside of Jerusalem, after receiving threats connected to a Norwegian newspaper's publication of the cartoons. Outgoing Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia on Thursday condemned the caricatures, saying they "provoke all Muslims everywhere in the world." "We hope that the concerned governments are attentive to the sensitivity of this issue," Qureia told The Associated Press. He asked gunmen not to attack foreigners. "But we warn that emotions may flare in this very sensitive issues." Afghanistan said publication of the caricatures would give ammunition to those seeking to disrupt international relations. "Any insult to the Holy Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) is an insult to more than 1 billion Muslims and an act like this must never be allowed to be repeated," Afghan President Hamid Karzai said in a statement. Students march In Pakistan, more than 300 Islamic students protested, chanting "Death to Denmark" and "Death to France." Iran's Foreign Ministry has summoned Austrian Ambassador Stigel Bauer, as representing the European Union, to protest the publication, the Islamic Republic News Agency reported. Bauer expressed "sorrow" over the incident and promised to convey Iran's protest to his government and other EU countries, the agency reported. Austria currently holds the rotating presidency of the 25-nation European Union. A Jordanian newspaper took the bold step of publishing three of the caricatures Thursday, saying it was reprinting them to show readers "the extent of the Danish offense." Next to the drawings, the Arabic weekly Shihan said in a headline: "This is how the Danish newspaper portrayed Prophet Muhammad, may God's blessing and peace be upon him." The director of media rights group Reporters Without Borders, Robert Menard, called for calm. "We need to figure out how to reconcile freedom of expression and respect of faith," he said. Source

Atheer Kooley look at the facts on the ground. Getting an education, having a career, saving your money are all good things you should focus on. Rather than just getting hung up on roles, "dependence" and some such egotistical nonsense that won't get you anywhere. Don't just be a kuulay cali banjar. Dead or alive, I will personally make sure my girls depend on no man (other than me).

^ Reread what I wrote atheer.

^ By law she is a dependent. Look at any application for health, 401k, insurance, etc.. What she needs to do is remove the "dependence" on the income earner. As Blessed kindly pointed out, 50% of marriages end in divorce and while your ex-hubby is spending your wealth (accumulated jointly) with a hot and fresh 18 year old from Laas Geel, you're left to pick up the pieces of your shattered life.

^ This is only in the US atheer. Apparently, Europe has hate laws that often deal with the Holocaust and homophobia. Islamophobia is not really their cup of tea, so to speak.

Originally posted by ibtisam: what do you think?? castro I believe Ngonge said it best when he asked how we could make use of this freedom of expression. Surely if it's afforded everyone, then we must come up with a way to get our own point across. Impotence is not an option really. But neither is Orgilaqe's "don't take it lying down" rubbish. The world is paying attention now. Will we seize the moment?