Originally posted by General Duke: So as a cyber community we can show our disgust and support for the innocents caught up in this maddness That's a given saaxib. Except, possibly, for Jaylaani ( ), every person on SOL is positively disgusted and appalled at what's going on in Muqdisho and their support for the innocent is unconditional.

Originally posted by Farah Blue: Ayaan claimed to have fled to the Netherlands from a Kenyan refugee camp, but she lived safely in Nairobi and even received good education. She also claimed that her family forced her to a marry a man and that she fled the scene before the wedding. In reality: she was happy to marry the man and they even had feelings for each other. She was also present at the wedding and seemed very happy. Better yet, the new couple spent a whole week with each other before her ex-husband left to Toronto to prepare her arrival. Sounds like almost every Somali's asylum claim in the diaspora . Let us not kid ourselves. The majority of real refugees of the Somali civil war are either dead, in Kenya, Yemen or Ethiopia. Hirsi Ali's crime is bad-mouthing her maker and his prophet (pbuh). Everything else is just noise.

Bloody Dutch. Can we get an English transcript of this?

Originally posted by General Duke: Call on the armed groups to halt their activities inside the city.. Can an internet forum petition stop the madness in Muqdisho? What can?

Originally posted by Honesita: But if we were to have a legitimate jihad war today, and the Muslims win, does that mean we are not taking the losers as slaves? I don't think we are allowed to kill them, so what else other than enslave them. No slavery for the "losers" atheer. Not even if you want it really bad. There are rules of dealing with prisoners of war. Slavery is over as Islam has intended all along and there's no going back. Thank God.

Positively the funniest thing I've read in a long time. Thanks Bishitta.

Originally posted by Honesita: To my knowledge if a man has a slave woman he can have sexual relations with her. That is in the Quran: وَالَّذÙينَ Ù‡Ùمْ Ù„ÙÙÙرÙوجÙÙ‡ÙمْحَاÙÙظÙونَ You're misunderstanding the verse atheer. There's no sex outside of marriage in Islam. Slave or not.

^ The record is 5 years for the youngest mother. And it's 12 years for youngest father. They didn't reproduce together and neither records has been independently verified by anyone I know. Worthless Records Book

^ Sure it can. But nothing gets you off your butt faster than a major and worldwide spot light. All the signs we had between Aug. 2002 and Feb./Mar. 2003 are there for anyone who cares to look. The bombing is coming. Start buying Euros.

^ I was being facetious atheer. Of course the letter had everything to do with it. You're not very sharp today. Low on Xabad Sowda supply, perhaps?

Originally posted by Bishitta: War Qub Qac wuxu meeshan isla xan xanaajin jiray, irleen waxaa looga dhaganaa Saudi Arabia! What does irleen mean?

^ The letter didn't do a damn thing. The Americans were gonna talk anyway.

Thanks for compiling these links, Abdi. It's remarkable the history to which we bear witness these days.

^ Sorry awoowe. Here's some air freshener for you.

^ This type of "subject matter" deserves nothing but snorting and farting. Here comes one: RIPPPPPP. Ahhh. That felt so much better. As you were. :rolleyes:

^ Are you sure? LOL. I grew up in Egypt and snorting is baaad. True or not, who cares. Even squirrels have babies before they reach the age of 1. Let the Filipina lady take care of this 37 year old fool if it's true.

Originally posted by Jaylaani: How could a baby’s head pops out form 11 year old’s coochie with out hard labor? That doesn’t make any sense. What is indeed a mystery is Natural Selection allowing you to be here and now. Can't count on anything these days. Can I get an ouucc, please?

Originally posted by Zafir: 14 times a day qofka ma dabada baa daloosha? Haa. Otherwise they'd be dead.

^ Unforunately, the score will change quick awoowe. There's an urgency that we can't see with American rush to war. A regime change in Iran is a must and having spent so much since 2003 in the region, they want to "finish" the job. I'd say Iran will be bombed within 6 months. It's not their nukes (they have none) that worries the Americans. Follow the money trail, as Codetalker correctly pointed out.

^ Causing a stir eh? Originally posted by facklexm: Objection, this is not. You obviously don’t have high moral standards. Don't hold your farts in atheer. This is the outcome they produce and it stinks.

^ Life is good atheer. Good to see you around here. We miss your conservative, right-wing views. Xiinow, while the dialogue may be ongoing, I get the impression that the messages are being dropped. In networking lingo this is called using the UDP protocol (with no guarantee of delivery). What we need in these types of discussions is TCP communications were the flow-control is critical. Too many dropped packets in this discussion atheer and with that come flared tempers. Hardly the desired outcome, would you not agree?

^ Yes it is. Marka is the best town of all and it just happens to be in Somalia. The rest are all rubbish.

^ I didn't believe that before but now that you bring it up, should I? I have no enemy lists atheer so I don't really know how this love/hate process works.

^ It does not contain pork. It contains gelatin type A which is not forbidden. Cut the rumors.

Originally posted by Brown: Russia,macal iran macal jini oo dhan aint got sh1t on the US of A. They are not listening to no one. I told you being the strongest doesn't mean you can't "bend" once in a while. U.S. foreign policy positions may bend on Iran and Palestinian aid BY WARREN P. STROBEL AND JONATHAN S. LANDAY Knight Ridder Newspapers WASHINGTON - Working to hold together an increasingly tenuous international alliance, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice executed tactical retreats this week on two major issues, Iran's nuclear program and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, according to U.S. and European officials. On Iran, Rice agreed to go beyond threatened punishments and consider a revised potpourri of incentives that Europe favors to get Tehran to halt its enrichment of uranium, a process that can produce fuel for nuclear weapons. She also agreed to parts of British and French proposals to create a fund to channel international aid to the Palestinians. The aid would help alleviate a social crisis made worse by an international cut-off of aid to the Palestinian Authority because it's led by Hamas. The United States and the European Union view Hamas as a terrorist group. The partial U.S. agreement on aid represents a potential softening of the U.S. stand that nothing be done to aid the Hamas-led government, even indirectly. Rice agreed to consider a temporary fund that would channel help directly to the Palestinians, bypassing Hamas. But virtually every detail of the idea remains to be decided. Diplomats, many of whom requested anonymity to discuss behind-the-scenes negotiations, said it remains to be seen whether the U.S. policy shifts, made during two days of high-level talks in New York, are more than rhetoric. Details of both initiatives are vague and remain to be hammered out in the coming weeks. But the U.S. course corrections underscore the tensions between the United States and the European Union, Russia and China over how to proceed on key issues. They also underscore tensions between Rice and other members of Bush's foreign policy team, particularly Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, over how to deal with potential threats to U.S. security. Cheney, officials said, has opposed U.S. overtures to Iran and North Korea and has advocated spurning Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, whose Fatah faction lost to Hamas in parliamentary elections this year. Rice, the officials said, has been forced to expend significant political capital and time to pursue a diplomatic solution to the confrontation with Iran. Rice told reporters Wednesday that the U.N. Security Council will delay any action against Iran for two weeks while diplomats prepare an offer that promises Iran rewards if it ceases its uranium enrichment program and punishments if it doesn't. "We felt that two weeks to continue to try to work for council unity was well worth it," she said. Western diplomats said the incentives for Iran would be broadly based on an offer that Britain, France and Germany made last August, which Iran rejected at the time. Iran would have to halt uranium enrichment, cease work on a heavy water nuclear reactor that could produce plutonium, agree to intrusive inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency and pledge to fight terrorism. In return, the European Union offered Iran help with civilian nuclear technology, a long-term accord on trade and investment, and recognition of Iran's "important role" and interest in regional security. The Bush administration didn't oppose the proposal when it was first made. A Western diplomat said the Europeans hope to get the United States and Russia to join in making the offer to Tehran. Some experts said that with the huge risks of taking military action to stop Iran's nuclear ambition - increased terrorism, military retaliation in the region and higher oil prices - the Bush administration has little choice but to back the European approach if it hopes to get eventual support for punitive measures. "I don't think there is any chance to get an international consensus for punitive steps until the administration plays all of its positive cards," said former senior U.S. diplomat James Dobbins, now at the RAND Corp., a policy research organization. A European diplomat added: "The change in (U.S.) tone is obvious. The readiness to have a multilateral dialogue is something we all appreciate." The shift in approach came after Rice, in more than three hours of meetings with her counterparts Monday night, failed to get Russia and China to agree to a tough resolution threatening sanctions against Iran. Still, key differences remain. French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy said Tuesday that security guarantees for Iran should be considered as part of the offer. But earlier, a senior State Department official told reporters that the United States wouldn't offer Iran guarantees against an attack. The official briefed reporters on condition of anonymity under rules imposed by the State Department. Source