^^^^ Shisheeye? Is that a curse word now? Originally posted by Kool_Kat: Aduunka ayaanba u jeclahay qofkii iweydiiyo 'qabiilkaa?' or 'qolomaa tahay?'...Markaan sheegana qoladaan ahay, alxamdulilaah iyo Maansha'allah baan ku daraa... Heh. Not everyone is fortunate to be MJ atheer. Some of us are two-bit, genetically foredoomed 0.5-ers. lol.

Soomalidu waa Racist Actually Soomalidu waa cayaayaan.

When I was a kid, I was always amused when I heard the phrase "diintaa jiidhay" , which is loosely translated to mean so and so was "run over" by religion. We are now witnessing an entire nation that diintu jiidhay.

Originally posted by Benson and Hedges: The Dubai police have done an excellent job in mapping out the killing. LOL. The perfect distraction from the Goldstone report and the murder of 1400 women and children. You really believe the Dubai "police" are this good and the Mossad would drop the ball so badly? That clip (probably produced by memri tv) plays like a soap opera.

Originally posted by BiLaaL: quote:Originally posted by Raamsade: She's a NY Times Best Seller (no small feat by any stretch), invited as honorary speaker to some of the most prestigious institutions of higher learning in the world and was named 100 Most Influential People by Time Magazine. By every objective measure, she qualifies as public intellectual. Mightn't it occur to you that her literary success is down largely to her views on Islam? There are enough Islamophobiacs out there to turn any publication critical of Islam into an overnight best seller. It is a matter of numbers. It is a no-brainer. It's certainly the case that even the likes of Sarah Palin are NY Times best selling "authors" so the bar isn't set very high. Ayaan Hirsi isn't a dummy but calling her an intellectual is a bit of a stretch. Still, the deeper question is why are so many in the world misunderstanding and even hating Islam and Muslims? Just as importantly, why are many Muslims almost psychotically defensive when Islam is criticized in anyway?

Originally posted by Naden: ^ I can't believe you put that illiterate thug in the same category as Ataturk and Mohamed Ali Basha. What the heck did Siyad Barre know about the separation of state and religion? He didn't know the first thing about either. The only thing that cannibal did is decimate a society, directly and indirectly result in the death and displacement of millions, and propel a nation into lawlessness for 2 decades. He didn't really put Afweyne in the same category as Attaturk. If you look closely, you'll notice that he sheepishly added Afweyne's picture at the end probably due to some latent whispers of "Aabo Siyaad ha noolaado" ringing in his ears from childhood. Though to give the devil his dues, Afweyne is better than all the single-cell creatures that came after him. (Which is not saying much seeing that the bar is set so low.)

It is time to separate religion from brain-dead followers.

Before I Die . . . 'As in the case of love, no man has lived until he has felt sorrow.' By EDMUND N. CARPENTER, II The following essay was written by Edmund N. Carpenter, age 17, in June 1938 while he was a student in Lawrenceville, N.J. Carpenter would go on to win the Bronze Star for his service in World War II and to a civilian career as an attorney. A graduate of Harvard Law School, he became president of Richards, Layton & Finger, a law firm. He died on Dec. 19, 2008 at age 87 and is survived by six children and 15 grandchildren: It may seem very strange to the reader that one of my tender age should already be thinking about that inevitable end to which even the paths of glory lead. However, this essay is not really concerned with death, but rather with life, my future life. I have set down here the things which I, at this age, believe essential to happiness and complete enjoyment of life. Some of them will doubtless seem very odd to the reader; others will perhaps be completely in accord with his own wishes. At any rate, they compose a synopsis of the things which I sincerely desire to have done before I leave this world and pass on to the life hereafter or to oblivion. Before I die I want to know that I have done something truly great, that I have accomplished some glorious achievement the credit for which belongs solely to me. I do not aspire to become as famous as a Napoleon and conquer many nations; but I do want, almost above all else, to feel that I have been an addition to this world of ours. I should like the world, or at least my native land, to be proud of me and to sit up and take notice when my name is pronounced and say, "There is a man who has done a great thing." I do not want to have passed through life as just another speck of humanity, just another cog in a tremendous machine. I want to be something greater, far greater than that. My desire is not so much for immortality as for distinction while I am alive. When I leave this world, I want to know that my life has not been in vain, but that I have, in the course of my existence, done something of which I am rightfully very proud. Before I die I want to know that during my life I have brought great happiness to others. Friendship, we all agree, is one of the best things in the world, and I want to have many friends. But I could never die fully contented unless I knew that those with whom I had been intimate had gained real happiness from their friendship with me. Moreover, I feel there is a really sincere pleasure to be found in pleasing others, a kind of pleasure that can not be gained from anything else. We all want much happiness in our lives, and giving it to others is one of the surest ways to achieve it for ourselves. Before I die I want to have visited a large portion of the globe and to have actually lived with several foreign races in their own environment. By traveling in countries other than my own I hope to broaden and improve my outlook on life so that I can get a deeper, and more complete satisfaction from living. By mixing the weighty philosophy of China with the hard practicalism of America, I hope to make my life fuller. By blending the rigid discipline of Germany with the great liberty in our own nation I hope to more completely enjoy my years on this earth. These are but two examples of the many things which I expect to achieve by traveling and thus have a greater appreciation of life. Before I die there is another great desire I must fulfill, and that is to have felt a truly great love. At my young age I know that love, other than some filial affection, is probably far beyond my ken. Yet, young as I may be, I believe I have had enough inkling of the subject to know that he who has not loved has not really lived. Nor will I feel my life is complete until I have actually experienced that burning flame and know that I am at last in love, truly in love. I want to feel that my whole heart and soul are set on one girl whom I wish to be a perfect angel in my eyes. I want to feel a love that will far surpass any other emotion that I have ever felt. I know that when I am at last really in love then I will start living a different, better life, filled with new pleasures that I never knew existed. Before I die I want to feel a great sorrow. This, perhaps, of all my wishes will seem the strangest to the reader. Yet, is it unusual that I should wish to have had a complete life? I want to have lived fully, and certainly sorrow is a part of life. It is my belief that, as in the case of love, no man has lived until he has felt sorrow. It molds us and teaches us that there is a far deeper significance to life than might be supposed if one passed through this world forever happy and carefree. Moreover, once the pangs of sorrow have slackened, for I do not believe it to be a permanent emotion, its dregs often leave us a better knowledge of this world of ours and a better understanding of humanity. Yes, strange as it may seem, I really want to feel a great sorrow. With this last wish I complete the synopsis of the things I want to do before I die. Irrational as they may seem to the reader, nevertheless they comprise a sincere summary of what I truthfully now believe to be the things most essential to a fully satisfactory and happy life. As I stand here on the threshold of my future, these are the things which to me seem the most valuable. Perhaps in fifty years I will think that they are extremely silly. Perhaps I will wonder, for instance, why I did not include a wish for continued happiness. Yet, right now, I do not desire my life to be a bed of roses. I want it to be something much more than that. I want it to be a truly great adventure, never dull, always exciting and engrossing; not sickly sweet, yet not unhappy. And I believe it will be all I wish if I do these things before I die. As for death itself, I do not believe that it will be such a disagreeable thing providing my life has been successful. I have always considered life and death as two cups of wine. Of the first cup, containing the wine of life, we can learn a little from literature and from those who have drunk it, but only a little. In order to get the full flavor we must drink deeply of it for ourselves. I believe that after I have quaffed the cup containing the wine of life, emptied it to its last dregs, then I will not fear to turn to that other cup, the one whose contents can be designated only by X, an unknown, and a thing about which we can gain no knowledge at all until we drink for ourselves. Will it be sweet, or sour, or tasteless? Who can tell? Surely none of us like to think of death as the end of everything. Yet is it? That is a question that for all of us will one day be answered when we, having witnessed the drama of life, come to the final curtain. Probably we will all regret to leave this world, yet I believe that after I have drained the first cup, and have possibly grown a bit weary of its flavor, I will then turn not unwillingly to the second cup and to the new and thrilling experience of exploring the unknown. Wall Street Journal (02/06/2010)

Yeah I know. It's the هِشَامُ بْنُ خَالِدٍ الأَزْرَقُ character who's a weak link in the narration. Specially in the last part of the Hadiith. And you're right, the meaning was lost in the translation.

as I said before brother you are all arguing on the grounds that it is a means of survival and I'm saying survival is possible back home for someone who has the means to to pay thousands of dollars to smugglers Surely mercy will not descend from the heavens until we show it to those on earth. Maryooley. [ February 12, 2010, 06:49 PM: Message edited by: Admin ]

Originally posted by The Zack: ^worst they can do to him is fire him from his bus driving job, he will definitely find a better job ASAP. Completely unnecessary theatrics. He should be fired ASAP. He will then have plenty of opportunity to make all his prayers on time.

Here it is: 7- حَدَّثَنَا هِشَامُ بْنُ خَالِدٍ الأَزْرَقُ أَبُو مَرْوَانَ الدِّمَشْقِيُّ ، حَدَّثَنَا خَالِدُ بْنُ يَزِيدَ بْنِ أَبِي مَالِكٍ ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ ، عَنْ خَالِدِ بْنِ مَعْدَانَ ، عَنْ أَبِي أُمَامَةَ ، قَالَ : قَالَ رَسُولُ اللهِ صَلَّى الله عَليْهِ وسَلَّمَ : مَا مِنْ أَحَدٍ يُدْخِلُهُ اللَّهُ الْجَنَّةَ ، إِلاَّ زَوَّجَهُ اللَّهُ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ ثِنْتَيْنِ وَسَبْعِينَ زَوْجَةً ، ثِنْتَيْنِ مِنَ الْحُورِ الْعِينِ ، وَسَبْعِينَ مِنْ مِيرَاثِهِ مِنْ أَهْلِ النَّارِ ، مَا مِنْهُنَّ وَاحِدَةٌ إِلاَّ وَلَهَا قُبُلٌ شَهِيٌّ ، وَلَهُ ذَكَرٌ لاَ يَنْثَنِي. قَالَ هِشَامُ بْنُ خَالِدٍ : مِنْ مِيرَاثِهِ مِنْ أَهْلِ النَّارِ ، يَعْنِي رِجَالاً دَخَلُوا النَّارَ ، فَوَرِثَ أَهْلُ الْجَنَّةِ نِسَاءَهُمْ ، كَمَا وُرِثَتِ امْرَأَةُ فِرْعَوْنَ. I read somewhere in the past that it has a weak 'isnaad' but what grabbed my attention is how often this particular hadiith is quoted by sites that sow doubt and confusion. All you need to do is simply type Ibn Majah and 4337 in Google and see what comes up.

Is it too much to ask for any state? Secular, Islamic or Jabal Jaan?

Originally posted by 2+2=5: quote:Originally posted by Castro: When is the time for bad jokes? In a thread about God? (Ouch, I know, that was a low blow) And what the #$%*& is "ManshaAllah"? PMS? No. LTFS.

Originally posted by Benson and Hedges: Really terrible. Why is the NYT writing this horrible stuff about Somali people. Somalis have become a target for the media and people are attacking them as a result. Which is more terrible? The state Somalis are in or the NY Times writing about the state Somalis are in? I'm guessing you're worried about the latter.

^^^^ If it were the strong type, it wouldn't have these questionable words and ideas and there would be no issues with it. And it's not the enticement of the faithful that is at issue but that Hadeeths like this one are what is often heavily cited and widely circulated instead of what is authentic. And most people wouldn't really call them out as weak (and should be rejected), they are considered by many Muslims and all non-Muslims as part of the religion (with all that it entails) when they're not. Sometimes waan iska hadlaa too.

Originally posted by 2+2=5: Che & Castro, now isn't the time for bad jokes. If you can't say "manshaAllah" or anything celebratory, don't say anything. ManshaAllah! When is the time for bad jokes? In a thread about God? (Ouch, I know, that was a low blow) And what the #$%*& is "ManshaAllah"?

Originally posted by Cicero: Intact hymens. Perky breasts. The Quran goes out of its way to describe the female body. Actually, that's not accurate. If you pay really close attention, you'll notice that it's the Abu-Hurairas and Abu ‘Umamas that really dig into these details. The Quran stays entirely above what those guys are "reporting" the Prophet to have said. Check this out: Abu ‘Umama (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah’s Messenger (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) said: "Allah will not admit anyone in the Paradise but Allah, the Mighty and glorious will marry him with 72 wives, two will be from virgin (houris) with big eyes and 70 will be his inheritance from the people of the Hell-Fire*." Every one of them will have a pleasant vagina and he (the man) will have sexual organ that does not bend down during sexual intercourse (perpetual erection). " [ibn Majah, volume 5, number 4337] I mean seriously, a "pleasant vagina" and "a perpetual erection"? Those can't be the words of our Prophet.

^^^^^ It's actually Abu Huraira who mentions them. You wouldn't say rubber-stamp about him, would you? Originally posted by Che -Guevara: Castro-My intrigue is with the concept of after life? Do we truly die? You need a session of Quran-saar and to have some charlatan (there are a few on this site) spit in a cup then you drink it. That'll take care of your intrigue. lol.

Good for him. Now he can go after the Jews with a clear conscience.

A little bit like Mardi Gras except this whole Houri concept is misunderstood by many (including myself) and people often focus on what they think they know. Heaven, presumably, is eternal bliss with everything imaginable (and unimaginable) available yet these descriptions of Houri seem so vivid, so physical and even so down to earth (talking about firm breasts and all).

Originally posted by Naden: Does it really matter, though, once the fat lady has sung? Yes. It costs 10 times more to bury than to cremate. So much money that could go to a college fund instead of the ground. You can swing me off a tree for all I care.

^^^^ Waryaa Atheist, don't mock our religion. Seriously though, I'm surprised Sheikh Nur didn't step in here and shed light on some of the stuff Muminah posted above. At least CHE finds the whole concept intriguing.

Originally posted by Al-Mu'minah: The Houris (hoors/hoor al-Ayn) have variously been described as being "chaste females", "restraining their glances", "modest gaze", "wide and beautiful/lovely eyes", "untouched / with hymen unbroken by sexual intercourse", "like pearls", "virgins", "voluptuous/full-breasted", "with large, "non-menstruating/urinating/defecating and childfree", round breasts which are not inclined to hang", "companions of equal age", "transparent to the marrow of their bones", "eternally young", "hairless" , "pure", "beautiful", "white", "revirginating", "splendid beauty". Transparent to the marrow of their bones? Hairless? White (Bad luck blackie)? Revirginating (huh)? Who would think that this was appetizing? The Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) said: "A houri is a most beautiful young woman with a transparent body. The marrow of her bones is visible like the interior lines of pearls and rubies. She looks like red wine in a white glass. She is of white color, and free from the routine physical disabilities of an ordinary woman such as menstruation, menopause, urinal and offal discharge, child bearing and the related pollution. A houri is a girl of tender age, having large breasts which are round (pointed), and not inclined to dangle. Houris dwell in palaces of splendid surroundings." [At-Tirmizi, volume 2, pg 35-40] A girl of tender age having large breasts that are not dangling and pollution-free? Where do I sign up?

Originally posted by Gheelle.T: Castro, will your prediction stand or will the Saints take it home? 3 days to the Super Bowl, where are you guys? It almost stood. Almost. Good for the Saints and good thing I'm not a betting man. At least my neighbors are happy tonight. Not the best Super Bowl ever but the Saints are 'aints no more. An emphatic and well deserved two-touchdown victory.