I always treasure Sheikh Umal's observations and like always,he told the truth just as it is.Unfortunately lets see where the western style democracy takes Mr.Shariif and all those that are with him ideologically. This was an important Contributions Hamza.Keep up.

^^Ala,i duce Eedo macan. But isn't it true?I mean think of it this way.Lose abit and do not trust him that much but on the other hand,u still will have ur oday and ur kids will have both their parents under the same roof and that means ur family is intact despite the fact of the little tashuush or rabsho.After all,it's human to error. Also the same would apply to the women but i know it's really hard to recover from a woman's blow,thats if she cheats on u and happens to be ur wife.Still,few of us are gifted with the third eye and thus see through things in a balanced,rational way.Agree with me Eedo.

I think it's better to lose a little than everything.Very few of us are gifted with the third eye. Haarun.

Nuune,the last pic looks like me being disappointed with the elder's advices Many luck to the brother,he is very talented.

Thirdly, Islam does not teach inhumane treatment of one's enemies, torture and terrorizing the public, these are the specialty of the spiritually challenged faiths, not Islam. Bro Nur,many thanks.Now bro Ngonge and the rest know what i wanted u to tell me,that this can in no way in any case be the traditions of our faith.Also,in ur conclusion,u made an important emphasis which is that all Islamic organizations should abide by the Quran.An important reply indeed,thanks. Wabillahi towfiq.

Ngonge,perhaps i should clarify myself more,if that is the need in here for i think i have not condemned any one.But for the argument's sake,I'll go back to what i so said previously. The Paragraph u quoted begins with ''Now comes the bitter part,the Al shabab''.In here,it's a sentence simply stating the group's name whose actions am questioning and it is bitter for it's a group that has a great potential as a power and from there, there is nothing but inquiries in the form of questions.Am sure i have not even forgotten to put the Question marks. And in the the last part of the paragraph where i state my own opinion,i do not see anger in there.I only voiced an opinion that i think concerns me in regards to individual choice. Now that am done with my part,I'll proceed to refute that which u accuse me off. As i understand,u accuse me off; 1.Being Emotional. 2.A premature judgment on the Alshabab. 3.That i am angry. A)As for being emotional,like i before said,i haven't shown anything emotion like and my very words are a witness to that.Quote one line that is not relevant and thus is irrational from my sentences and i will but agree and apologize though needless to say,u won't find any. B)I have not judged the Al shabab yet.I dislike with a great passion those actions which they have so far done but neither can i make up my mind nor go with common sense in this area.I need Evidence from the Quran and the Sunnah for it is said that a human being may like something that which is harmful and may dislike something that which is of great benefit.If the Shariah according to the quran and the Sunnah approves their actions,i will ask for forgiveness and take it with a pinch of salt for i won't question sacred creeds(if proved that they are right).So the accusation of judgment is out of the window. C)As of me being angry,i would say i am more of a disappointed man than an angry one but I'll leave that as it is. From here henceforth,let it be clear that i am asking questions and surely had i had the answers that i seek before me,i wouldn't need to be here and as for ur part of saying i wouldn't find the answers that i need in regards to the issue in hand,i think u are wrong for i have only made an inquiry and an honest one for that.So,do tell me,do my questions come across as un balanced or irrational and how so? Secondly,I'll find the answers and I'll tell u why.The source that i want is but the Quran and the Sunnah.Surely am sure Nur,u,or any one else who is more knowledgeable than me can enlighten me.Its all about that and nothing else. P.s.No u are not being harsh.U are being quite a challenge though i see not the need.For what it's worth,thanks for the serious attempt in ur last post.Am sure it was a great endeavor for u.

Falastini,thanks for ur advice.Nevertheless,any well versed brother in the Sunnah and the Quran can definitely give me the answers that i seek. Ngonge,why don't u quote one thing that i have said that could even be seen as an emotional wail or rather,do u take it that my many whys or even my claim of quitting the dirty politics of my folks as an emotional drama from my side? Hasn't it occurred to u that even be as u say it,that perhaps i have a right to be emotional when it so fits? And again,in ur post,what have u really told me or what good have u so far come up with for neither do i see the answers that i seek nor the common sense u could perhaps use as an aid.Again brother,i would appreciate if u used less of the trivial jests.

^^Am not interested in a frivolous debate,am interested in answers based on Islam.If u can provide them,well and good and if not,kindly excuse urself.

Asalamu ALekum. Bro Nur,I have some questions that i think are pretty important for where i stand in things.I am Some what dubious,that's if i put it in a manner that suits all honesty. First of all,u and i want the Gaalada out right?Secondly,u and i want a lasting peace in our homeland where justice prevails with the aid of our sacred laws of the Shariah.Agreed. But despite our want of that beautiful good which is justice,from whom do we expect that right from?Our Ulemas and religious leaders who happen to be the very organizations we hail,right? Now comes the bitter part,the Al shabab.Animals have rights,we both know that and its even discouraged to slaughter an animal before other animals but how can a human being be slaughtered even with the less value of that given to Animals?And why slaughter a human being?Isn't killing the taking out of a person's life and does it matter whether they shoot the person or not?Secondly,how can one accuse another of things like being a murtad and further more,why video tape it and show it to the whole world.Don't these pple have parents,wives,children and brothers and sisters who it would be painful beyond any description of words? And why execute people with out trial and clear evidence? Honestly as Haarun,i would feel more safe with the mooriyan who may or may not kill me with a bullet than a masked human being who may slaughter me with nothing but his word. P.s. From today am done with Somali politics.Some how it has become like a mad prostitute and am sorry about the term for i know not what else to call it.Qalas.

May Allah accept their shahada.Amin.I looked at the pictures and they were all smiling.Sad to see that some Somalis are rejoicing over their martyrdom in a so negative way due to clan related ideologies.Alla ya raxma. We will never forget them.

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Are the Questions for me? Patria o muerte.

The western governments murder our women and children and their people parade behind their governments,all done in the name of democracy of course.This is not new to us and this won't be something to amaze us.The best any one can do is to not ignore these comments or articles but take them in and hopefully strive for the better. P.s.Cynical,do u think that Hamas is responsible for all this as ur signature suggests or? Patria o muerte

I do not think that motivation as a factor should be discarded but rather,i think it should be the basis of the argument in regards to comparative politics.Israel and the Israelis in general have evolved from being weaker than the Palestine(at least Palestine exists ) of today to a major power in the Entire region of the middle east.They have beaten all the collective Arab states at a time when Arab leaderships were more united and more conscious than they today are, And while the Arab leaders were making powerful speeches,these pple were seriously preparing themselves for the task and it all ended in that fateful preemptive strike that crippled whole countries.Was that not due to Motivation? Also,should we want to speak of technological indifference as brother *Useful Demagogue* did,today Israel being where it is,was defeated by Hizbullah.Also,the people of Vietnam defeated a world super power who had state of art sophisticated weapons,again and again if one looks at the subject ,it all comes down to motivation and the will power strength of the involved party or parties. Recent histories of defeat against technologically superior giants includes the July 26 movement which ousted the Batista regime and today remain to be the one and only country in the entire world to be totally free from Uncle Sam's dirty hands while despite many injustices done to them,still managed to become a power that altered and made a significance contribution to the global politics. Also,the first Chechen war embarrassed the mighty Russia with all its weapons and what have u. And perhaps motivation should be a criteria in *Me's* analogies or any one else who thinks a great difference could be made,despite each of us having different approaches to the term. P.s.Adam,a well formulated and a thorough read.Thanks. Patria o muerte.

I have read and reread all the above refutations.I believe that this is a great idea and so far,apart from the Stones we have to throw here and there over at the Israeli embassies,i think its a great way of showing Solidarity.Also,perhaps this is the best means to actually help a needy family or persons rather than giving donations to organizations we know nothing about? Ibtisam please do tell me how it works,i'll give it a try.First,where are the numbers to call? Patria o Muerte

I agree with some of the above mentioned points i.e. TFG is dead and the Djibouti peace deal spearheaded by the stray teacher is dead.Now that Al shabab is on the verge of accomplishing its all practical scores,Ethiopia needs to downplay them by creating a diversion,if not an obstacle.The Ahlu whatever wing that is emerging should not be belittled.Eventually the Asmara wing too will be an obstacle to Alshabab's agenda.The only way out of any doubt is the Union of these Wings. Also,Alshabab as we all know,is the most hard core wing our country ever had.If one can support the Mujahideen all over the troubled Islamic world,why not support our own? Also,Sheikh Mansur is correct in his warning,few taken vacant police posts is not even worthy of a tabloid rumor let alone it being the highlight of the moment. Patria o muerte.

I have so far watched three Videos via youtube and i must say that i am literally impressed.I couldn't believe or rather to my dismay,i never knew that there actually existed Somali born white men.I got reminded a movie i have watched some times ago in which the lead character was telling his henchmen that he is a Chicano in the inside and a white man on the outside.Perhaps Marx would want to say that he is a Somali on the out side but a white man in the inside.(of course he didn't have to say it,his delusions towards his pple did it for him).Its sad. Marx,saaxib whats the cause of all that bile?

If a group or groups intend to support the criminal gangs in Baidoa due to the misfortune that befell on the current lead-criminal himself,then i can with no worry whatsoever say that naivety has taken its toll on u brothers.Gabre is not yet gone and so is the resistance. Primero; Like the doomed so called Peace caravan, i argue that the TFG is gone.It existed due to its auxiliaries and its only but a matter of time before all that glows ceases. Segundo; The agenda here is democratization.This has no ruling in Islamic jurisprudence and hence why any government that holds to this western mainstream culture will not function in Somalia.Even if it were introduced, it is impossible to implement a government that is for the clan and not for the people. 4,5 Formula is not that democracy many in here wish to sell us to.So even if u vouched for democracy am sorry, it won't work. Tercero; Shariif,Nuur-Cade,Yusuf and the rest of the gangs are neither nationalists nor are they law makers.They are business men. Cuarto; Somaliland is a general term referred to Somalia. Puntland too is a general term referred to Somalia. Quinto; Its against any set moral principle of any kind to secede from one's people at any time.Seceding from Somalia today is but seceding from faith itself. Patria o muerte, Haarun.

I terribly fail to understand why a man's skin is extremely important than the ideas and the values he stands for.Similarly,i also fail to understand by what definition the word ''Change'' goes by in political terms,as per the Faarax of today's mind. P.s Obama like Bush stand for America. America stands for her self,she stands and thrives by oppression.

Thats more like it.I welcome this news.Oopsie,i better get out of here before i get fired. Kool kat howdy.

Double standards,the very signs of hypocrisy! Its only a matter of time before my Al shabaab brothers reach the northern provinces Ramadhan karim by the way.

^^Asalamu caleekum. Abtigis and tolka how are you?Cool ey.Hey i thought it was kinda a taboo for you to complain about your nieces Ramadhan kariim and Eid mubarak. P.s. As an elder,i think you should just go on doing what you are doing and whenever you come across something you don't like,just say ''if am wrong may Allah forgive me and if you are wrong may Allah forgive you''.That sums it up brother.

Nuur Baashi Nephthys(Nafiso) Lois Lane Ngonge(A reasonable secessionist unlike his peers) Caamir ( A reasonable pro TFG unlike his peers) I would have nominated some few others too but unfortunately i think all the rest politiking Nomads are emotion ridden and hardly is there any objective reasonable and yet a maintained individual. Court Supporters --->Crying yaa murdads,yaa peaceniks everyday. TFG supporters---->Crying yaa Terrorists everyday. Secessionists ----> Crying 1988 and Somaliland everyday.Relax brothers no one is taking anything from you.

Ngonge join an alqaida camp and make a video or two.I bet you will be far from boredom Jokes aside,the youth center sounds great and i seriously think you need a break from your job.Drop your kids(if you have any) at a responsible home of a nearest of kin and go to Peru with the missus(if you have one) and be the good shephard u always wanted to be.

Congrats Abti.You are the man sxb.