Salaan... Police said the stalker, believed to be the brother of her former handyman in Cardiff I didn't know she lived in Cardiff, Wales, because when I visited there last year, I too would have knocked {err, "lectured"} her down--to bring her back to Soomaali fold. When her father, Dahire, arranged for her to marry an elderly man in exchange for five camels, she ran away from home. Just 13 years old, the skinny girl walked 300 miles across Somalia to the capital, Mogadishu.... Ms Dirie wrote the best-seller, Desert Flower, about her life as one of 12 children born to desert nomads... She moved to Britain, where an uncle served for four years as Somalia's ambassador What are these inconsistencies? Her father is a "nomad" who wanted to "sell" her for some five camels. Her uncle, supposedly from her paternal side, is an ambassador to Great Britain. Don't you guys notice the discrepancies? As the Soomaali culture we know {families helping to full causes}, I don't think her father would have remained a nomad "selling" his children for some camels whereas her paternal uncle served as an ambassador. Her father would have lived a villa somewhere in Soomaaliya. A good fairy tale for a book, but anaga sheekadaas mana marsiin karto, ha ula tagto anjabiga.

Salaan... Ilaahey ha u naxariisto eedo/habaryar. Qoyskeedana cafis iyo samir suuban Ilaahey haka siiyo, aamiin.

Salaan... Barwaaqo, abaayadiis yeah, but how can I even try to believe a disheartened person? Walaashiis waran? Laakiin what is up with these despairing and disconsolate personality change about? Don't worry, we will soon defeat those evil capitalist people--with full spirit. Yeah, I will join fully for now. Jaaw.

Salaan... Originally posted by Spadez: MMM, I already told you in the other thread, you base your analysis on what some one has told you. You need to a lot more reading, a little less "Qaldaan" jokes, a lot more soul searching and a little less denial. Don't make me get you the post in which you said Somaliland equal clan X. This is the misassumption part where it starts. Since you like to bring the "old man" back into discussions, I therefore have to make it clear to you about one fact: As far as I know, the "old man" and his children---especially the younger ones--never, never, never ever talked about siyaasad and its implications--wrong or right. That is where the wrong misassumption starts. What I base about '60s leaders are purely based on the materials I read time to time and some other facts I heard from others {not the "old man"} And for your information, I am NOT defending that parliament and its former members. Whether Timacadde called it a qablaayad's institution or not, I am not defending anything or any person. Ee marka saaxiiboow ha ula dag dagin dadka sidaa adiga u fikirtid in ee u fikiraan--xaaraan caleeg dheh. Ilaahaa weyn aa cuqdad naga bixiye oo Soomaalinimo ma baray, ee hala soo boodin seeftaa qabiilka ku dhisan. We don't all have same sick mentality of qabiil-based thinking. And yeah, yeah, I know if it was not about qabiil why are you every time at FRONT ready to defend anyone that writes something about Soomaaliland, ready to use your weapons and at the same time are very mute when it comes to other Soomaali-based regional politics. Waxba ha ganbanin, macalinka. We ALL know Soomaaliland is about qabiil-identity. Hadii runta ku dhibeyso, raali ahoow, beenta ku nooloow. Laakiin anagoo soo jeedno qaaf na nagu marsiin _________________ P.S.: I heard the "old man" defeated one of your fellas when he rose to that position by a unanimous support from the members. Perhaps, you might be that guy's offspring and still have a little grudge. Don't worry, it is over saaxiib, that was 40 years ago. Waala iska raayaa saaxiib ee don't hold the resentment, hokey.

Salaan... Its an open Secret that the top 3 position in Government, namely the Executive, the Legislature, and the Judciary are not in the hands of the tribe, you, MMA, BN, Guraad, Sophist, Sammurria, and who ever else associate Somaliland with. Saaxiib, maxaa iga rabtaa aniga nin yahoow? Aniga qabiil malihi saaxiib, iga dhaaf qabiil nooh. :cool: Soomaalinimo igu wac. Mise maalintaa soo ogaatay the qabiil of the "old man" bas yaah, maalin iyo habeen from now every of my topics would be viewed from qabliilist angle miyaa??? Ga iga siiso waraa. Top positions Soomaali dhan adiga iyo xulufadaa ha qaataan, kuleel iyo qaboob midna ma igu heyso. _____________ P.S.: If you didn't know, the prime minister in the country I reside is called Paul Martin and as far as I know the TOP three positions are all occupied by white Caucasian figures. Marka ii sheeg sidaa cadaankaan ugu soo dajin lahaa jaraanjartaas ee isku camireen ee saaran yihiin. Macsalaama.

Salaan... *Sigh* Some Soomaali people... First thing first, I never was into any silly qabiil politics {I might be against secession of any Soomaali populated land, even if my qabiil tries to secede; against federalism, etc, but never into qabiil}, even if my people suffered. And I never was against any qabiil since ALL my family's relatives are made off every imaginable Soomaali qabiil out there. Even if they were not. This forum existed close to three years and every single day we were/are bombarded by certain folks about "their" suffering. Not once, prove me wrong, did I see them mention other Soomaalis' suffering. I dare you to prove me wrong. Their suffering was deplorable and should be condemned in every possible way. However, others suffered too and you aren't alone in that league. And no one is comparing any tragedy in here or any other place. I never posted these pictures before because I didn't want to evoke the sad chapter of our history. It happened, we can at least forgive or have some grudge until we face the grave. It is upto the individual. To the guy who had even the tendency to question that deliberate man-made genocide as a "natural" famine, I don't know what to say to you and this proves when I say only you care your suffering, not even acknowledging other Soomaali people's suffering speaks volumes. Does famine count as genocide? Then I suppose all natural disasters like floods, earthquakes and typhons can be labelled genocide Did you read the background piece I accompanied. I put that piece to make more awareness to the oblivious people like you. Again, if this was not genocide by burying hundreds of these emaciated bodies everyday, what do you call it then? Baliis, leave the hypocritical qabiil politics and see if you have a heart If adults can get like these two skeletal people, I don't want to see how the children turn out to be If you were in this father's shoes, I know what you would have thought today... _______________ P.S.: The worst victims who are still suffering are Soomaali Bantu and Banaadiri folks. For 14 years their women were/are raped, men killed for no absolute reason and their lands confiscated and yet, here we are mum. Sometimes it is good to know who suffered and who are cruelly suffering.

Salaan... Some folks are already competing how Martha Steward's future cell would look like. Below are some of the best from worth100.com Plain-looking prison cell When the cell is occupied by our decoration expert, Martha Martha lives to the fullest Martha, baliis make a revolutionary change to American prison system. Waaay to go.

A brief background of how this tragedy happened to those who are not familiar: The overthrow of Siad Barre was the prelude to total disintegration. The opposition groups were all clan-based organizations each fighting for a particular clan interest. This is made very clear from an examination of their areas of operation. Some of the groups focused their activities on areas historically controlled by their respective clans. The Somali National Movement (SNM) operated in northneastern Somalia; the Somali Salvation Democratic Front (SSDF) in the Mudug region; the United Somali Congress (USC) in the territories of central regions; and the Somali Democratic Movement (SDM) in the inter-riverine regions predominantly populated by ****** {qabiil's name omitted, but read the victims' tribe of the famine}. Other groups were fighting to defend the territorial gains they had made since independence in the inter-riverine and coastal regions of the south. The Somali Patriotic Movement operated in the Middle and Lower Juba valley; the Somali National Front was based in the Gedo region; and the Somali National Alliance, a ******** {qabiil omitted} faction occupied the regions of Banadir, In January 1991, Mogadishu was captured by USC, and Barre's regime collapsed. However, this was not quite the end of this story. Barre's forces maintained strongholds in the inter-riverine regions of the country for almost a year, during which they pursued a scorched earth policy, destroying the infrastructure and bringing agricultural production to standstill. Because the ******* {qabiil omitted} were excluded from high ranks in the Somali army, the SDM had no access to arms and lacked sufficient means to protect their people. The inter-riverine people were trapped between Aideed's forces in the north, Barre's in southwest, and Morgan's--Barre's son-in law--in the south, in what became also known as the "triangle of the death." Baidoa the capital of the region became also known as the "city of the walking dead." It is estimated that nearly 500,000 people died in the man-made famine that followed. After Barre's army was forced out of the country in mid-1992, Aideed militia looted Baidoa once again, taking everything the dictator's soldiers had left behind. One relief official in Baidoa in 1992 said of the starving Somalis: "These people look like they are from Auschwitz. The monthly death rate in August in Baidoa was 3,224, that is 104 a day. In September, the figure rose to 5,979 people a month, or nearly 200 a day. The looting and rampage increased when the US Marines landed in Mogadishu, and the feeling bandits went on a last minute rampage in Baidoa." Famine in Baydhaba was neither the result of natural or environmental causes, nor the result of the civil war. Baydhaba is one of the richest cities in the country and the capital of the most productive agricultural region, and did not experience the level of conflict that was the fate of Mogadishu, Beledweyne and Kismaayo. How then could ****** {qabiil omitted} suffering be explained, when they had no part in the power struggle? Some have argued that Baidoa was hit by famine due to its inland location, which made relief deliveries difficult. If that were the case, then Beledweyne and Gaalkacyo would have had the same experience as Baydhaba, for they are located in the interior, too. When General Aideed captured Baydhabo, his militia started a genocide policy when they blocked food shipments from inter-riverine area. Throughout 1992, and before the US Marine landed on the shores of Mogadishu, Aideed militia prevented food from reaching Baydhaba and other parts of southern Somalia. They used various tactics, including forcing relief agencies to use the militia's trucks and drivers for transportation. Whenever vehicles of United Nations headed for the inter-riverine region, the militia methodically looted them en route. Finally, when the UN/US command in desperation decided to airlift supplies to Baydhaba, Aideed militia controlling the Baydhaba Airport had imposed a fee of $5,000 per flight, taking a percentage of the food load as well. ________________ Arlaadinet.com {I abridged and edited qabiil names from it}.

...continued Here, they were. Just leaving Baydhabo shortly before the U.S. army arrived. And amazingly, they didn't seem like to feel guilty. Amazingly. If this was not near-holocaust proportionate, what was it then? Too darn late Eedo, dadka saas kuu galay iska cafi

...continued What else can they do than pray for the dead child. Ilaahoow adigaa caadil eh Allah ha u raxmado, aamiin Who is evil enough to cause that child's miser with his mother??? And there is the devil-like man who invaded their lands, forced them to starve and yet still firing at them while they were gathering to be fed by the foreigners Oh, Yaa Allah

What would this mother, who was possibly burying her dead child, think about the merciless warlords who caused the famine? Yes, that is a dead body

Salaan... Certain folks from a certain region are quick to lament, in most of the time, about suffering from under the hands of their "southern" brethren. But at the same time are mute when it comes to talk about the disproportionate suffering the people in the South experienced. However, why are they mute? Because the victims aren't from their qabiil? Or they aren't that important? Or are less than the sufferings of others? It is about time to see OTHERS who suffered twice under no absolute mercy whatsoever. My God, these are wrapped bodies A child in Baydhabo Comforting both her dying husband and her undernourished child Some of the folks who did this are currently in Nairobi, feeling no guilty whatsoever. Others under six feet. I do not like to post topics like this, but those who are keen only to show justification of their "suffering" should also know greater affliction and misery others had experienced--and experiencing. Keep tragic events in perspective.

Salaan... A very provocative and informing, yet intertaining documentary had been a most-discussed topic on the media in the last couple months in Canada. I watched half of the documentary and I gotta tell you, it was a very powerful presentation of facts. It is called The Corporation It mercilessly takes shots at the core corporate values. From corporate's aggressive pursuit of profit to endless quest of being influencial in power and elitism. It also interviews the heavy leftists such as Noam Chomsky, Michael Moore and Naomi Klein {the author of NoLogo} Some instructions from the documentary: In law, the corporation is a "person." But what kind of person is it? Considering the odd legal fiction that deems a corporation a “person” in the eyes of the law, the feature documentary employs a checklist, based on actual diagnostic criteria of the World Health Organization and DSM IV, the standard tool of psychiatrists and psychologists. What emerges is a disturbing diagnosis. By using that World Health Organization technique, the documentary thus analyzes and comes up with this checklist: Therefore most corporations are pyschopaths. _____________ This documentary had given me a whole point of new look at corporations. From Microsoft to Barakaat. I better have to start joining the anarchy groups of anti-everything, err anti-globalization.

Salaan... Yet Timacade resigned from Parlaiment because he saw it for what it was, and guess who was the Speaker at the time????? So, what are you trying to say? You are getting closer, saaxiib. Anyway, am I biased? You bet! But my inclining to 1960s has nothing to do with qabiil, but based on mostly the great Soomaali siyaasi men shined in that decade. Those three men HASSAN JAMA wanted us to choose from are three ****** whom will only be remembered by there own kinsmen and not on a NATIONAL LEVEL That was what I was trying to illuminate. Soomaali folks sometimes are obsessively blinded by qabiil to the extent of justifying the actions committed by some so-called leaders, because only belonging same clan as they do. I do also have the utmost respect to the likes of Max'ed Abshir and C/risaaq Xaaji Xuseen. Well, my friend, Somaliland had its own freedom fighters... if you are saying they are of lesser status then your [southern] politicians... please come forward. For your information, the brief names I mentioned above among were Sayidka Max'ed C/lle Xasan and Muuse Rabiile, and to me they were "Notherners." Or if your ideal defination of "Soomaalileen" is a person who hails from one qabiil-identity, then try to change that name of "Soomaalileen." Then again, if it makes you happy, hokey the likes of Cumar Carte Qaalib, Max'uud Mire Muuse and Cabdalle Faadil were GREAT. Happy now??? ______________ Libaax, the "old man" didn't let us taste the sweet malab, but it is good to know he was great, dankis.

Salaan... Poll: Greatest SOMALI Politician of 20th Century? Question 1 of 1 Choose 1 Maxamed Haji Ibraahim Cigaal Maxamed Siyaad Barre Maxamed Farah Aideed Are you fascinated by them all having with the first name "Max'ed?" None of them were "great" politicians, let alone being the greatest. A "great" politician, to me, is a one being so popular that is equally loved by his people. None of them you listed above come close to that. If you want "great" Soomaali siyaasi men that can be at least contemplated to be great, mention the likes of Max'ed C/lle Xasan {yes, he lived in the 20th century}, founders of SYL, Aadan Cadde, C/rashiid Cali Sharmaarke, C/llaahi Ciise, C/qaadir Soobe, even Ismaaciil Jimcaale, Muuse Rabiile or even Maxamed Raajis, but surely not those you listed above. Being famous should not be equated being great. Macsalaama.

Salaan... So if I understand correctly your ideal Muslim man should eventually come to this: long-bearded {gardheere}, khamiis-wearing, cadeey-in-the-jeeb-ready-to-be-used-right-into-salaad, surwaal-gaab, every-sentence-starting-yaa-ukhtii/akhii, staying-late-at-the-masaajid-to-have-sheeko-sheeko,-but-not-helping-at-home... Am I right into that? You also expect us to be in uniformity when it comes to tiniest absolute details of life. Diinta Islaanka xoog maku dhisno, saaxiib. Ninkii Muslim kugu dhaho in uu yahay, qof ka bixin karo maleh diinta, qofkaas iyo Ilaahigiis ee jirtaa. Walaa Salafi/Itixaad, walaa Islaax, ninkii Quraankiis iyo rasuulkiis iyo xadiiskiis raaco, kheyr waaye. Ninba naftiis, nabiyoow ummadaa.

Xariifka iga koreeyo: She didn't ask you to name your favourite dish or garment. She wants to know the equivalent of Soomaali Viagra. I think you misunderstood what she meant by "aphrodisiac." A subtle euphemism phrase for foods, drugs or even clothes that stimulate sexually arousing feelings. Well, in my opinion for garments, it is when my kinda girl wears a thin bright multi-coloured dirac {without the garbasaar is bonus}.

Salaan... Ilaahey aa mahad leh maxaa yeeley waligeey Washamsi ma la igu qaadin--aabaheey aa Quraanka noo dhigi jiray. We younger boys ma naloo ogoleyn dugsi Quraan because--and this was alleged--when the older sisters and brothers used to go to this particular dugsi Quraan an unfortunate incident happened. This macalin dugsi refused to allow this kid to go to musqul; he suspected the kid was lying and wanted to skip that day's dugsi. Unfortunately, the kid really needed a relief. Cunugii kaadida uu isku celiye and for the fear of macalinka, dugsiga dhexdiid maku dhex kaadin karin. Markuu dugsigii dhamaaday waxaa la arkay cunugii oo dhidid miiran. Ileen siduu kaadida iskugu celinaaye ayaa kaadida ku dhagtay. Dhakab. :mad: Cunugii isbitaal aa loola orday, saas uuna ku fakaday. When my aabo heard the episode, he really got enraged and vowed never to allow his children to attend any dugsi--he would instead be the macalin himself at home. Macsalaama.

Salaan... Don't you have their names? Ironically you stated their tribe, but not their individual names or family's. Most ciyaal xamar--when xamar was Xamar--never knew other ciyaal's qabiil, or at least necessarily knew the people's names before qabiil.

Salaan... Originally posted by bulo: i do not follow any madhab... I assume that you are a sister. So, what do you do when you pray? Do you cover your toes as Soomaali women do? Say you are married and your husband is gone missing, how long would you wait to remain in the marriage fold? Does your weeso become void by touching your husband? Again, would you re-do your weeso if you change your baby's diaper? If you vomit, is your weeso still valid? If you eat camel meat, do you do weeso all over again? Do you pray four rakaco after the first aadan at Jimco prayer at the masaajid? At the masaajid you go to communal Jimco prayer, is there one or two aadan? These are a tip of iceberg when it comes to know who follows whose madba. And it is not that easy to declare outright you don't follow any madba. Soomaali people do inherently follow Shaafici madba, even if you may not realize that. Shaafici madba have been said to be the most "moderate" madba of them all. Malaysia, Indonesia, Masar, Sudaan and Soomaaliya are the main countries that follow Imaam Shaafici madba collectively. Macsalaama.

Salaan... Little facts about Baydhabo Janaay and its vicinity before it became known as "City of Death" in early '90s. Produced the only international renown Soomaali author, Nuuradiin Faarax Its nearby town also produced one of the best Soomaali singers, Xasan Aadan Samatar, who was born in Diinsoor, Baay Was mainly one of few multi-qabiil cities around Soomaaliya, only Muqdisho and Kismaayo surpassed in that category. The only Soomaali city visited by a sitting or retired American president. George Bush Sr visited it briefly in 1992. Visited by Mary Robinson, former President of the Republic of Ireland. The gobol it located used to produce almost two-thirds of masago or maize in all Soomaali regions {ironically, with this natural food gift, I wonder how it even can became a city of starving}. Like Xamar, Baydhabo waala xumeeyi yaa xaal marinaayo. Macsalaama.

Salaan... ^^^Same like that; with all these fake smiles and misleading the hapless Soomaali people. Macsalaama.

Salaan... Originally posted by Danger: Admin i dont see any clan names at all wher are they Macalinka, it was edited by the Admin. after it was posted and before you had a chance to view. [ February 23, 2004, 10:07 PM: Message edited by: Admin ] Jaaw.

Salaan... Originally posted by Muslim_Queen: ...Just because we in the western countries HAVE it does not mean we WANT to keep people who do not work and have to be subsidised. No offense meant but why should we? Your problems are not our problems. We???? Our??? Who are you??? Paul Martin's daughter? Jean Chretein's daughter-in-law??? "We" don't accept refugees kulahaa. Ilaahey caadil waaye dadka qaarkoodna waa iska hadlaan, bilaa caleeg. Soomaali mar horee ku maah maahday: Daanyeer dabadiyee ma arigaasoo dabi dadoow ki diimaas. Jaaw.

Salaan... A rather great, nice article to read; however at this moment it also has downside. No wonder the governments in some of Western countries are trying to deport a lot of Soomaali people only because they read articles like this. There are also those afar-jeebliyaal who under the garment of being "official" from some regions of the country tell those countries that the country, or some part of it, is safe to return. No wonder we're finally seeing its implemention by Holland, New Zealand, Australia and Scandinavian countries wanting to deport Soomaali asylum seekers.