Caaqil, sarcasticnimo ayee iga ahayd. Shariifka inuu ahayn qabqable waala og yahay. Cabdi Qeybdiid godkiis ayaa biyo ugu galay. I don't think he was arrested without a sound evidence, and I don't think he would be freed shortly. Now, aw qabqableyaal would really study the laws the European countries they are going to visit have regarding dambiyadee galeen. If only Dubeey, Neyroobi, London iyo magoolooyinka kale ee ugu ordaan caafimaadkooda iyo check-up-kooda waxaas ma jiri lahaa meel ee ugu bixi lahayeen ma jiri lahayn the four-walled fiefdoms they rule oo boring ku qaban lahaa.

War nimanyahoow maa aflagaadada la iska dhaafo. War nimanyahoow saan hala isku dhaama, saan si ma'aha.

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: or we will consider that as a war of tribe against another. Which tribe does government of Iswiidhan belong to? Oh, let me assume, siding with reer Yacyac against reer Yaxyax?

One down, 99 to go. Shariifkana inee ku daraan qadaan qadiska ayaa fiicneed.

Awguuriyo, Barwaaqo. NB, bring the old Barwaaqo back, baliis.

Originally posted by Naku Penda Piya: What's the big fuss here? It's called doing business, nothing personal. Did we not have jaasuus back home? How are the ones here different from those back in the days? Not trying to publicize anything, but there's an enormous demand for translators. I know couple of people who translate intercepted telephone conversations - Dirty work, but the pay is grreatttt I tell ya! Actually, a while ago a family member was telling me Virginia waa laga kala cararay, especially Fairfax County. A big lady basaas was in their midst, who was paid per commission. So, she reported all the innuendos and rumours. Hebel waa dambiili state kale kasoo galay dambi oo fugitive eh. Hebel baa shab usoo dhacdo hadana taksi ka shaqeeyo. Heblaayo nin ninkeeda ahayn bee isboonsar u dirtay. Hebel filled been income tax return. Meeshii waa laga kala cararaaye. Naagtaas geesisanaa.

Salaan... Diggin' up three-and-half year old topic, Eebe u baahnoow, shaqo la'aan maa ku heyso?

Salaan... That figure above is from the United Nation's projected study on Soomaali women birth fertility, from 2000. The report, as it was wrote, predicted correctly. The figure, 7.25, regards the average children Soomaali women have in their lifetime, most of them in Soomaaliya we assume, the second highest. There are other current reports as well, and all give Soomaaliya on second or third spot, some giving the figure to eight children per woman. No wonder with all these diseases, starvation, war, drought, poverty, expired medicines sold at markets, lack of clean water and other calamities, neverthelees, we are still a nation that grows, the nation as recently as 2002 being rated having the highest birth rate. That perception of most Soomaali fathers aiming to have a full 'football team' family might have been correct after all. If I take a closer look at my own family background: My own mother had 10 children. My eedo, from the other bah, had 12 children. My habaryar has 12 as well. A brother and a sister both have eight apiece, and continuing; another sister with seven and counting. Seven or eight, it seems, is the aimed number nowadays.

This topic is about Yuusuf Indhacadde and his drug trade. Did I see anywhere in that Qaramada Midoobey report talking about Cabdiqaasin Salaad Xasan. Folks, we need to stick to topic at hand. C/qaasin faraha ka qaada, because some of you seem paranoid, if not obsessed, of him, mentioning in any chance you have that he is behind all the bad things that happen in the intricate politics of south. Judging from your posts, C/qaasin seems as though he has all the strings behind the scenes the mess the south is in. One time it was C/qaasin who broke power of RRA, siding with Xaabsade; it was him who tried to equally cause discord in Buntlaand by siding with Jaamac Cali Jaamac; another time he is attributed to be Hiiraale's boss, now behind Indhacadde's actions. You guys are giving him too much soft power, indeed. He may have nominated Indhacadde to be a "governor" of Shabeellada Hoose, laakiin dowladiis see u dhamaatay faraha uu kala baxay, as it seems. C/qaasin can be blamed in many things, but, but, but at least sounded and acted like a statesman, never was a stooge of Sanaawi. What can we say about C/llaahi Yuusuf's character in this respect?

Caamir, please edit your post from clan names. Dankis I didn't ignore yours; I didn't see it. Anyway, I leave this topic as it is: Anybody has a right to believe anything, including claiming to be European, err Carab. PS, Axmed Gureey soldiers consisted many Muslims, including Soomaalis. I never questioned that. Not only the Soomaali clans you quoted above were restricted in that respect. As far as evidence goes, it was in this jihaad wars the word Soomaali was first heard or recorded.

Marxuum Igaal, alaha ha u naxariisto, was a nationalist leader and his revision of history might have something do with greater unification and binding of the Somali people. His attempt at discrediting, while also supporting, the historical fact of Arab progenitors proof that. Now, you are questioning those who question that bogus history you are desperately trying to believe, whereas it was disproven in countless times to be none other than a hearsay historical bogus. Cigaal, unlike many others in 60s, was an educated man and he had had every right in word of calling these personal belief of yours 'myth' and 'fables.' It may offend you, but it is the reality. It may be hard for you, but that is the fact. I don't blame you if you literally try believe everything that was imbued to you. And he wasn't addressing other Soomaalis. He was adddressing foreigners, so no need binding Soomaalis iyo wixii lamid ah. He was neither a historian nor a anthropoligists, yet he writes as if he was one. His intentions were good and so was his heart, however, Somalis can unite without discrediting or altering history. And whose historian works are you referring to that validates Soomaalis coming from Carabs? Don't tell me the only "proof" is unknown grave at somewhere. Men can believe anything they wish, that is their right to do, and you, in every way, have to. One of the things he uttered was that Yemen held suzerainty over the Somalis. Heaven forbid! With all due respect, Yemen itself was under Abysinian soverignty. Abyssinian rule over the lands of Yemen ended in pre-Islamic years, and he was speaking about the Islamization of Soomaalis after Islaam. Igaal continues by saying that the Yemenis chose the part of the people already having Arabic blood to make their task easier. He writes that to make their (the Yemenis) objective easier they organized the ones already with Arabic blood politically to possibly recieve faster results. He was talking about what is now Soomaali Galbeed and nawaaxigeeda. There live some Sementic people, like Hareris and others. Also he might have referred to the whole Horn of Africa, including those Carabs that now live in Eritrea and Jabuuti. We all know Carabs used to live and their descendents still do from Jabuuti to all the way to Kismaayo. With the exception of kuwa Jabuuti dagan, others are called Banaadiri, including Reer Xamar, Reer Marka and Reer Baraawe. Also there are Camuudis, the recent arrivals, the Yemeni Carabs that founded Bilaajo Carab (Villagio Carab). Some of them were forced to go back to Yemen in mid '70s because of then government angry response to Communist Yemeni's apparent support to Itoobiya in dagaalka '77. No body questions those Carabs. They are still distinct, physically different from other Soomaalis even if rapid inter-marriage took place with all those years. Still, their allegiance lies in Soomaaliya, the only country they know and whose culture they absorbed. And no body, unlike your unproven beliefs, questions their historical Carabness. Their pedigree is unquestioned. We have only to ask who the "rest" of the population was that were pushed to the south and west under "serfdom". Does this not back the theory of Boranas/Oromos being pushed "southwards" and their remanents being "Somalized"? Southern people aren't insecure and they are too proud than to claim an unproven myth as a lineage. They are too proud to knock other cultures' doors; desperately claiming other people. Insecure folks can claim anything they desire. And how can a "Carab" "Soomaalinize" a Soomaali? As I have pointed out to you before, they still speak the original Soomaali, not the Soomaali that was greatly influenced by other foreign languages. They speak the original Soomaali, including the words and names many clans that do exist today are named after, including those that you think are Carab lineage. Alif la korday, Alif la hoosday, Alif laa godan... Not all Soomaalis learn their primary Quraan using alifla kor dhaweey. I don't still know how can a Carab that landed teach af Soomaali to the natives. Oh, perhaps, he learned the local langauge first and taught later? Anyway, in the South, they use another well-known script: Alif wax maale, baa hoos kaale, ta korka lamaale, da' korka sadexaale, jiim hoos kaale, xa wax maale, qa kor kaale... Both are interchangable, I guess.

The origin of the Somali people, like that of most other nations, is lost in the mists of history and has likewise become the subject of mythical fables and folklore . Association with the Pharoahs as the Land of Punt is one of these mythological fables that has received credit because of certain evidences found in the ancient pyramids of Egypt. The history of myrrh and frankincense shrouds Somalia with unrelated allusions in ancient history. However my own belief is that the Somali people derive their origin from the ancient empire of Adde whose capital was Adari, now known as Harar, and whose main port was Audal now called Zeilah. This empire flourished in the tenth and eleventh centuries A.D., and was part of the Arab expansion during the Khalifate Empire. It is my opinion that after the decline of that empire in the twelfth century those who stayed behind made their home in the Horn of Africa, in scattered settlements among the indigenous population. There was naturally a period of chaos when Islamic traditions disappeared and the whole country reverted to its former paganism, tribal strife, and the law of the jungle. This chaos lasted for a period of several decades. Across the Gulf of Aden, the rulers in Yemen were disturbed by the news of atrocities and the reversion to paganism which reached them from the country over which they had previously held suzerainty. At first they affected to ignore the situation, but eventually after a period of reorganization in their own country and the re-establishment of the Kingdom of the Imam, they decided to make another attempt at resuscitating Islamic traditions in the Horn of Africa. They decided to send over a group of eminent Sheikhs to settle at strategic points and to preach and bring the people back into the fold of Islam. So, in the earlier part of the thirteenth century, Islamic missionaries came back from Arabian Peninsula and re-established Islam and the rule of law. The task of these eminent Sheikhs was a tremendous one. Their main objective was to re-establish Islam and Islamic culture and to create a society that would last and develop within the traditions of the Islamic doctrine. So they took the easiest and most natural course. They chose and concentrated on that portion of the people with Arabic blood, the descendants of the people of the Adde Empire, who were living in scattered settlements, organized them politically, instructed them in the teaching of the Holy Koran and the Islamic tradition. The rest of the population were relegated to serfdom and assigned menial tasks. As the power of these people grew, they gradually expanded their suzerainty and pushed the other ethnic groups further west and south. These Sheikhs who came over from Arabia attained positions of great stature and influence in the country. Their spheres of influence were so strategically placed that the location of their tombs today gives a clear impression of plan and purpose. They settled at strategic points along the coast of the Horn of Africa. Each one concentrated on a particular settlement for which he became a patron saint and over which he exerted a great spiritual and secular influence. They adopted an indigenous form of teaching the Arabic alphabet in the Somali language, so that the Holy Koran could be read in Arabic despite the fact that the Somali could not understand its meaning. Even today, almost every Somali can recite the Holy Koran in parrot fashion without understanding its import and meaning. These Sheikhs, however, achieved great success in the organization of the society and in the propagation of Islamic doctrine. Unfortunately, over the years, the myths surrounding these eminent Sheikhs have so developed and have become so engraved in the minds of the people that they are regarded today as being the actual ancestors of the different tribal groupings of the Somali people; and whereas, in fact, these present-day tribes are only the continuation of the settlements which these Sheikhs organized and developed as political units . It is these myths and this firm belief in one common ancestor for each tribal group that has set the pattern of Somali politics in the modern age. Horn, did you read this excerpt? It might enlighten you. See, I am not alone calling it "myth" and "fables" iyo wixii lamid ah. I am glad a notable figure uttered those words almost four decades ago.

Nooloow, nooloow Cabdilaahi nooloow; aabihii dalkoow, Cabdilaahi, aabihii ummadoow, Cabdilaahi...Guulwadoow Cabdilaahi, aabihii garashada, geyga yagoow...hantida dowlada federaalka wadaaga ummada Soomaaliyeed, noo horseedayee, barbaatii barbaartayoo...Haay, haay, waligaa haay!

Soon wanaagsan. Kaba Cali Beesteena maanta fashion ee ka dhigeen, yahuu.

Originally posted by Femme: MMA soomali mah maah baa jirto 'god walaashaa ka qodin hadaa qodina ha dheerin ku kufi dhoontidaa ma ogidey' and another one that goes 'markuu qof ku xumeeyo dhaanka kale u jeedi'. I hope you sit down and think seriously about those two. Mar baan ku arki adoo guurguuranyo oo ilin kaa dhadaneeyso markaas intaa ku caawin lahaa hadaaana laadh beerka kaaga dhufan yaa traitarun kabiirun. Adii kuu dharantahey ilkaha aad taagtaagtey. RAMADHAN KARIIM Ar xaa galabsaday? Anigii aw baariga ahaa maa saan la iigu booteynaa. Kaasmaayo haku haroosato aakhiro samaan ahaa. Haye, dagaal maa rabtaa? Barxada nageey, aniga baari maadaama aan ahay gabdhaha lee la dagaala oo dagaalkood waaba ku baashaalee, oo meel in ordinary times la taaban karin ayaa iska taab-taabsanee. Soo bax banaanka, soo qaado buumahaa iyo buujimahaa oo ilkahaa sheegeysid iga soo rid. Bishaaro, aarbiitaro ka noqo meeshaan adiga. Anyway, soon wanaagsan, walaashiis. PS, maah maahda waa u gaftay, too. Maku saxaa? Mise waa kaa ganbistaa?

Definitely, I am not going to judge him based on some complaints. Let's call a dheeman a dheeman, widaay. Indhacadde was accused by the United Nations (Qaramada Midoowey), an institution that doesn't take fact-finding tasks lightly, I am sure. Here it is the official UN report that Soomaali website based its story: L ocal administration of Lower Shabelle 78. Sheik Yusuf Indohaadde is in charge of the local administration of Lower Shabelle; he assumes the role of governor. Indohaadde’s headquarters and state house are located at Buulamarer, situated on a large, active banana farm north-west of Marka. 79. The geographical area under his control includes the seaports of Marka and Baraawe — he has his own fishing fleet — and an airport at Marka. The local administration also includes prime agricultural lands — including numerous "drug farms" on lands that were taken from the local farmers. 80. In order to exercise control over his geographical area, Indohaadde has his own militia, made up of men from his clan, and other militias from the same clan group, [qabiil]. Indohaadde also has a large number of personal bodyguards, individuals who are most trusted from his own clan. Tax revenue 81. Revenue for Indohaadde’s arms purchases comes from traders, businessmen, the Marka and Baraawe seaports, the airports, checkpoints, farms, NGOs, the fishing fleet and other sources. Indohaadde’s representatives collect taxes on a weekly basis. Every month, from the moneys collected, he pays militia members, his "inner circle" (advisers and closest associates) and the elders of the clan and makes purchases of arms. After those payments are made, the remainder, which is approximately equivalent to $50,000, reverts to Indohaadde himself. 82. Indohaadde collects revenue from NGOs that want to operate in the area under his control; they must obtain Indohaadde’s permission and must pay him a sum of money to conduct their activities. He receives at least 15 per cent of any NGO benefits that are offered to the local population. The fees paid by an NGO for the buildings they use are split between the owner and Indohaadde. He has a say in the question of which Somalis work for NGOs — members of his own clan — and gets part of an employee’s salary. He also has a network of people that monitor the activities of NGOs to ensure their compliance with his financial interests. If an NGO does not comply with his requirements, he forces it to leave his area. 83. Indohaadde also owns drug farms in the area under his control, including at Janaale, Shalambood, Qoryooley, Buulamarer and Kurtun Waarey; the exact number of farms is unknown, but Monitoring Group sources estimated that as many as 10 may be spread throughout his area. He is alleged to be dealing in marijuana (probably in the form of hashish). 84. Indohaadde’s drug farms are a sophisticated operation involving irrigation systems, fertilizers and herbicides. The workers on the farms are experienced in the drug-growing business and receive a good salary to maintain the high quality of the drugs. The drugs undergo a drying process and are packaged and concealed to avoid attracting attention. The product is graded: poorer-quality product is sent to Mogadishu and neighbouring countries for local consumption, while the higher quality product is put into trucks and transported to airstrips or the Marka seaport for further transport to the international market. 85. There are about six harvests per year. Indohaadde is expanding his drug farming operation, by increasing either the number of farms or production per farm. He allegedly receives a total of approximately $100,000 per harvest for all of the farms. Indohaadde has a "special representative" who handles drug-farm operations on his behalf and uses his militia to guard his drug farms. __________________ He can call himself "sheekh" or whatever, but under the eyes of local population, he not only an oppressor, a clanish, an illegal and forceful landgrabber and despot, but also now is an official "sheekh" drug dealer. He degrades the sheekh title. The UN report itself is generous calling his authoritarian leadership "adminstration." It doesn't even deserve to be called a regime, for a regime has some accountability sometimes. I can understand other "secular" warlords doing similar things because they don't hide under the cloak of Islam, but this guy is disgusting and shameless, walaahi.

Originally posted by Tuujiyee: I MEAN WHO DOES SHE THINK SHE IS..ROOKIE MODERATOR LISTEN TO ME, WAAD KIBIR BADAN TAHAY SO STOP USING YOUR POWER ON US QASHIIN YAHEE!! :mad: :mad: :mad: !!!! Wareer badanaa!! La kooye! Hayeey. Lest it is edited, I hope I am not edited as well, I am only quoting, baliis.

Why warlords' belly get fatter and fatter. On dhuxul trade accounting. Kismaayo port made in three months almost six million dollars ($6000,000) of dhuxul trade. You can just imagine the majority of this coffer falling in the hands of warlords. Oh, Lord. Qofkii qabqable ka sugaayo inuu dalka wax u taro, waa u jeediin kuligood inay yihiin calooshooda u shaqeystiyaal, never even caring about the country being on the verge of a desert and desolate.

Maritime activities and revenue: charcoal, fisheries and piracy The Somali coastline is 3,333 sea miles in length, with an exclusive economic zone that extends 200 miles offshore. Somalia continues to be without an effective central Government to control and administer its coastal waters. As a result, Somali coastal waters are under the control of a number of different local administrations or self-appointed militias, led by a faction leader. This patchwork control of the Somali maritime environment has created or promoted three significant income generators for local administrations: The export from Somalia of, among other commodities, large commercial quantities of charcoal. Unrestrained foreign access to Somali marine resources and fisheries by foreign fishing vessels and © widespread piracy. Charcoal There are no regularly scheduled shipping services to Somalia, but individual ships from anywhere in the region, or the world, carry cargo to or from any of the more significant Somali seaports — Kismaayo, El Ma’an, Marka, El Adde (Mogadishu), Berbera and Bossaso. The Monitoring Group has learned that each of the these ports is controlled by a local administration, as defined above in the present report, that demands the payment of royalties by importers and exporters of goods and the payment of protection money while a vessel is in Somali coastal waters. Arrangements for the protection of a vessel are made by a vessel owner or operator through the services of an agent who works on behalf of a local administration. At the port of departure an advance payment is made to the agent, who then arranges for a clearance for the vessel at the port of arrival. This fee also guarantees a vessel’s protection while in Somali waters. Dhows and general cargo ships that use the above-mentioned ports are subject to the payment of these fees. Large cargo ships using the ports typically transport livestock, scrap metal or charcoal. The charcoal trade has been mentioned in past reports of the Monitoring Group and the Panel of Experts as a considerable source of revenue for factions engaged in arms embargo violations. Its relevancy is particularly important in the south-central regions of Somalia. Major markets for charcoal originating in Somalia are Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen, where businesses do a lucrative trade in the commodity. It is also a means to obtain United States dollars through the foreign-exchange process. Ports in Somalia where charcoal is known to be exported are Kismaayo (the largest quantity), El Ma’an, located 30 kilometres north of Mogadishu, and El Adde, the local seaport of Mogadishu. Even though the charcoal trade is linked to the livelihood of some workers in the areas of production, the overwhelming majority of the profits generated in Somalia will remain in the hands of those in charge of the local administrations, not the people that produce charcoal, who are very poorly paid for their labour. The following are the different stages involved in the process: Production: cutting, burning and bagging (Somalia). Collection: gathering product, loading onto lorries and delivering to seaports (Somalia). Trading: shipping costs, sales price negotiation, terms of sales (Somalia). Importation: wholesale and retail businesses (foreign country). The price associated with each stage of production and collection is estimated at $0.30 per 25-kilogram bag. At the trading stage, © above, at the port of loading, the actual price is at $1.50 per 25-kilogram bag (including transport fees from the collection point to the port). The final sales price is $5 per 25-kilogram bag or $200 per metric ton (at the port of Kismaayo). The wholesale price at the importation stage, (d) above, is not known by the Monitoring Group. However, the retail price (price to the consumer) at stage (d) of the same 25-kilogram bag is $15 to $20. The Monitoring Group has learned that those in charge of the local administration in Somalia are in charge of the stages of production, collection and trading, and as a result will receive the great majority of the profits generated; any collateral benefits accruing to the local population are negligible. A portion of the profits will be used to buy arms and reinforce the security apparatus of the militias of the local administration. As an example, in May 2005 it was reported that Colonel Barre Hirale contributed funds and logistical military support to Mohamed Ibrahim Habsade in his fight with TFG forces for control of Baidoa. UN Report __________________ The reality of Dhuxul trade, a virtual guide: Mango trees ready to be cut down. God knows how long years these trees took to grow into that stage.

Oh, I found the next ten and as I predicted, Scandinavian countries dominate: 11. Brisbane (Australia) 12. Copenhagen 13. Helsinki 14. Stockholm 15. Frankfurt 16. Montreal 17. Tokyo 18. Hamburg 19. Paris 20. shared by Auckland (New Zealand) and Oslo.

Vancouver, ranked the most livable city three times in a row now by the prestigious Economist newsmagazine. Take a look: Vancouver Melbourne Vienna Geneva Perth Sydney Zurich Toronto Calgary I am sure the next ten would be Scandinavian and/or other Western European countries, so that leaves the burning question: Where are the American cities? Oh, the pity Pittsburgh, merely making to the 26th spot. Manchester, the top British city, is ranked at 41. London? Below 50, perhaps. Aww!

Salaan... Aroor Waaberi Hiraab Geeri Meleg Wad Mowd (deensaday) Tahluuko Hadimo Dhimasho Ladqabo Laqdabo Sir Dag Dhagar Khiyaano (deensaday) Qataysii Siinee Sharax Dahaar Qurxin Naqshad Caddil Daahi Raaji Raagid Dhoof Ambabax Bixitaan Istaahil Mudo Mutayso Lahasho Hawood Haweyso Lahan Mohasho Damac Niyood (deensaday) Muho Rabniin Jamasho Lubi Kadeed Balaayo Eedaad Ciriir Qaxar Dhan Jiho Tusmo Gees Dabqi Qashqashaad Qalalaas Ciil Riyo Hawaawi Dhadhab Alalad Cab Dhan Danyo Wade Kaxeeye Shufeer (deensaday) Engeg Dowr Qalal Kawrixi Boor Fidh Habaas Bus Mirifle Bootaan Siiso _________________ Casharka waa inoo socdaa. Ha moogan.

Originally posted by Abrar: ...was that khalid bin waleed? You know Musiiboynkan oo kale meel waliba wey jirta umad walibana wey heysataa, unfortunately, laakin I'm glad inuu af Somali ku hadlay haduu details Somalida khuseeya ka hadlayey. Haa walaashiis, masaajidka Khaalid ee ahayd. I learned tonight sheekha wuxuu ka yimid Australia (Perth, perhaps?) and his name is Yaasiin. I knew qof North America ku cusub inuu ahaa maxaa yeelay fiijignaantiis markuu ka hadlaayee mawduucaas ayaa ka kasay, though I thought in uu ka imaaday wadan Carab.

Salaan... Is it called Siyaalel? Or it is Siital? Or Siitle? The Seattle International Film Festival, held annually mid-May to mid-June, is the largest film festival in North America. Hate to tell you this, but Toronto occupies that position. Not only is it the largest film festival in North America, but almost on the verge of taking over the top place in the world, directly competing in a place that was traditionally dominated by Cannes Film Festival.

Gaalkacyo International Airport{?!} If we can call a makeshift airport "international," then what is really next? It doesn't even have a paved road, let alone a little proper terminal (or are these two little baraakos, a la iskaabulo qol considered to be terminal?). Oh, I forgot the little diyaaradaha that bring jaad from Neyroobi are considred to be international flights.