Waayo waayo.

Salaan... First, little clarification: What I wrote earlier was based on my personal (and remember, it is personal and nothing more) analysis was about these six fateful days. Not '60s as a whole. Xoogsade, sax, wax dagaal Soomaalida ka dhaliyo mala weynaayo, laakiin dad badan Soomaalida horboode u eh, had iyo jeer jecel inay dalka u taliyaan hadee ka joogi lahayeen taliska wadanka mise lexjecelnimada, Soomaaliya kistoo waa roonaan lahayd. Before Britain left and the Union Jack was the flag of the region; there was two prominent political parties in the North; USP (Awdal, Sool and Sanaag) and SNL (Togdheer and Waqooyi Galbeed). These were organized around the tribal lineages. Thusly, when the Somali become an state; USP was dissolved and it’s leaders become prominent leaders within the SYL government thusly becoming part and parcel of the state. Ali Garad who was a heavyweight Cabinet minister and had a huge following in Sool, Sanaag and Awdal was instrumental for the nomination of Rashid to be head of the partly. Sophist, regional discontent was there in Waqooyi, the majority, obviously, might have been Reer Waqooyi Galbeed; nevertheless, it was there. If we broaden, this discontentment wasn’t itself confined to Waqooyi people for there was an equal discontent in reer Arlaadi provinces. Read below about C/qaadir Soobe. you can hold as a political truth, the assertion that says the intervention of the army to save the nation from the horror of the corrupt politician was required urgently; which is what the revisionist historians of Siyadiste's appologist school of the Somali past, had effectively made it as the Accepted Collective Wisdom, across the Somali's political spsche. Tolstoy, that was some of the top officials of the military’s reasoning, not a plausible fact believed by some Soomaalis, including me. But a considerable section of the masses believed and bought, and they were those who welcomed the coup, thinking it might be a new beginning day. Indeed, it was a beginning day, but God knows the U-turn it took. You also answered your own question, by stating this: ...also one can say that men like, Qorshel and Caynaanshe, were merely men, who thought, the elected politician's in the parliament were leading the country to ruin, and they therefore, were duty-bound to safe it; which meant all Siyad Barre has to do, was to talk a good game of Nationalism to them, and make them listern a few times As I wrote above, there were some sceptical about the coup in the top military leadership. Of course, that means, a great deal of hardball politics would be required between the Tribal power-brokers; but finally I believe, some formula if not out right National Census, would be introduced, in-order to reduced the existing Anomoly of parliamentary arithmetic of those time There was a man by the name C/qaadir Soobe, who always, in those days, used to argue there must be a national census, to counterpoint his perceived biased of seeing the non-pastoral tribes power isku koobay. He believed those power isku koobay were, in fact, minority. He also openly advocated in order the new Soomaali republic to be a success story on the widen Africa, it should be federalized. He believed his people were marginalized politically and economincally by other non-pastoral tribes. He thus reconstructed a political party, which was the official opposition in that time, mainly to advocate these issues he passionately cared. He believed that his people were marginalized. ...therefore the question, is how do move from there(bare facts) to universally accepted historical truth(which itself, is a mere subjective view of those facts, not withstanding how many times you call your version of history as that Universally Accepted One) There is no such thing called "universal truth," save the Divine Truths. All else is a play, and each has his or her version of what is perceived to be truth, even if the odds of such situations are overwhelming; men will always believe what they want to believe. By the way also, I believe, that Your Late Father (alah-yarxamu) would of eventually been forced to declare his hand, politically, as to which group he will bless them, in return of his seat at the Speakership). My old man is still alive and breathing. Thank you. ...there is no such thing as north Somalia which includes former British colony, because there is big division within the past colony along clan lines, because northwest and ssc are bitter rivals, even we see today how somaliland is very divided in secession issue Soomaal, there is a such thing called Waqooyi. Yes. Don't confuse with Waqooyi Galbeed, the province, which I assume you meant. Waqooyi is a region term, and covers both Waqooyi Galbeed and Waqooyi Bari. true President cabdurashiid was killed in laascaanood, BUT wasnot because reer laascaanood were unhappy about his administration because reer laascoonood were staunch supporters of him I never wrote a local Laas Caanood native killed Cabdirashiid Cali Sharmaarke. Nor did I suggest he was murdered as a result of region discontent. But the accepted truth in that time was C/rashiid, Eebe ha u naxariitee, was a staunch Soomaali nationalist, who cared equally all Soomaalis, regardless where they hailed from, thus he thought Sool likewise wasn't developed too, same like other Waqooyi provinces. He was also wadaad (not the seef labood and surwaalgaab kind of wadaado of today), which further made him deal Soomaalis fairly. Although Somalia had the first democratic government in all Africa, however the civilian government that lasted 9 years had tough time and failed because of clan nature of Somali politics Any government or regime Soomaaliya is going to have will fail again and again if we never learn. Only fools never learn. We need a complete overhaul of how things we do in government. I never understood why we stick this "president" and "prime minister" sorta of government, as though this particular kind of government is sacred. We need to come up something else, a radical new ideas to govern. We also need to eradicate qabyaalad, or all-together qabiil as we know. We need a political as well as cultural revolution. We will never progress as long as regions are synonymous with particular qabiilo.

Hadaa ii qabeyneysid waxba kama qabo. Cali Falaaxa ma iska siibaa asagana? Saabuun maris ma la isku qabeeyo, by the way; LiveBoy ama Luxus soo qaado midkood. Rawla, meeshaan maradaa banaanka kuu dhigaa aa ka socoto.

Salaan... I sometimes think, would Soomaaliya of today been any way different if there wasn't a coup, and most of all, if marxuum C/rashiid weren't assassinated? It is a fruitless and hopeless thinking, I know. But would it have been any different? Would have Soomaaliya taken another untwisted course? C/rashiid was touring on Waqooyi provinces, particularly Togdheer, because there were considerable discontent by the masses in those provinces. The discontent wasn't the result of qabiil, but regional discontent, experienced by the whole region that joined the union, including reer Sanaag and Sool, which the latter was part of Togdheer province at that time. To dissuade this inevitable dissatisfaction becoming a boiling issue and widespread, C/rashiid and some other high officials from the South decided to tour that region, promising, in campaign-style, in his nascent administration things will change, and must change. The appointment of Cigaal as a prime minister was a beginning, he promised. Development would have been next. Then, events abruptly turned into an unexpected direction. He was assassinated upon landing in Laas Caanood. There were six crucial days between marxuum's assassination and the coup. The first few days were devoted to his funeral, such bringing the body to Xamar and waiting Cigaal's return from abroad. The later days was what made the coup possible. The short nine years of democratic birth of the Republic had a perceived perception of qabyaalad becoming a fact of political life. Everything from a multitude of qabiil-based parties to members of parliament openly criss-crossing the parliament floor to governing Party and then to their oppositional parties if it didn't help their political aspirations. Seeing this, the military and some members of the police didn't like it. It was obvious, the military brass advocated silently, change must be made or the country would turn into worse way. It got worse, the perception goes, in mid '60s. Now many folks, particularly ciyaalka qurba ku qaan gaaray, think the coup in that fateful October day of 1969 was a one-man planned and executed afgambi. It wasn't. For the reasons above, the assassination just expedited the military's chance of "saving" the country; that was military's reasoning. Another cause that accelerated the coup, and also persuaded some sceptical members of military's higher officials, who were against the coup per se, was the events that was taking place in the Parliament. There was a deadlock in the parliament for a few days. The deadlock was about the presidency, and who has the right to be next. The ruling party broke into their expected rival camps. One camp advocated the prime minister would be the next president. Another wanted the speaker of the parliament, who was already an interim president, and the third wanted the next president should hail from C/rashiid's constituency (read: from marxuum's qabiil). The third group led by Muuse Boqor, who openly didn't hide his ambition to be a president, and to get that he advocated a constituency reasoning as a way to achieve that. It was so heated that a famous member of parliament, alleged to have been abukaato Ismaaciil Jimcaale, was heard as saying to Muuse Boqor, "If you think the presidency of Soomaali Republic is inherited like a clan leader, then we should call for his offspring for C/rashiid had children the last time we knew." Once again seeing that, some top ranking generals and colonels of the military approached their top ranking police officers to collaborate a planned afgambi. They thought they had a secret agreement. However, instantly, the American ambassador to Soomaaliya somehow acquired that knowledge and came to the interim president, warning him the apparent coup. The interim president seeing upon the fiery, deadlocked parliament, had conflicting thoughts. On one side, he thought a coup at this particular time might be a blessing afterall. And on another side, it was undemocratic and might turn to be worse. Nevertheless, he didn't believe or take seriously the American ambassador's forewarning. Well, it happened. And suddenly adversaries of parliament members saw themselves la kala diro, some facing house arrests, and others jailed indefinite jail terms. The men mastermind behind the coup were nationalist men like Caynaanshe, Gabayre, Faadil, Qorsheel, Max'ed Sheekh Cismaan and Muuse Rabiile Good. Some say Max'ed Siyaad Barre, a collaborate of the coup, was immediately chosen as a leader because a safeguard of not dissatifying both sides, who, for example, if they saw men like Qorsheel might have thought he was installed because of qabiil. They didn't want to also displease Muuse Boqor's camp, so Siyaad Barre was the safest choice, and he also happened to be the top military leader since Generaal Daa'uud's passing away.

Originally posted by Bishaaro: ^ no, not interested. Where do broken hearts go? Mala isku daadinaa, maalin cadeey? Laakiin maadaama aad dhar dhaqeysid kaalay baafkaa soo qaado oo hoosgundida iyo fitishaariga noo naq. Oomada iyo saabuun marista jikada ka raadi.

Originally posted by Katrina: Why are somali guys chicken/intimidated when it comes to asking/hitting on a girl DIRECTLY? Abaay, ma isku dhacnaa.

Originally posted by SOO MAAL: Col Yusuf is playing dangerous game, mawaxuu ismoodey madaxweyne run ah Finally wax baa la arkay. So as long as hawlaha kale (read: gobollada kale) uu ku shaqo jiro, oo balaayo qasaayo, "Madaxweyne" sax buu idiin ahaa, laakiin maalintii afaarihiina lasoo galo...? What happened supporting this fledging government for the 'sake of Soomaaliweyn?' Hmm...

Eebe ha u dambi dhaafo, aamiin. Ehelkiisana samir iyo iimaan Eebe haka siiyo.

Marax, search yourself.

Great news, runtii. Both my sister and brother-in-law are administrators there. I was there in 2003, when they were building one large campus located outskirts of Xamar. This corridor was only darbi iyo shub taag taagan when I visited on that day. It was also where we were, showing this American guy around, when the guards of constructed building and the guardian staff who came with us collided, with tensions and heated arguments immediately apparent. It was a daymare on that day. How easily some gun-toting maryooleey like to have a little action with no reason. They have no respect to those who hired them and are still supposedly their employers.

Ama habar yar oo tobon jira ah oo naasku dhagaxoobay.... Kaaba shaxaari dheh. Waxaaba u qaatay inuu habaryar ka hadlaaye, laakiin 'habar yar' uu ka wadaa, wali shaxaari weynaaday. Intuu ku arkay gantaalo shiid eh? Eeboow noo naxariiso.

Bizarro, welkam to this forum. A question for you, though: How did you discover this forum? Did you google your own words, which then led you to this forum? I've seen guys holding hands heterosexually. But sleeping in the same bed? :eek: :eek: hmmm Suldaanka, qaxii duruufaad badan ayuu keenay. Waxaas waxaa kamid ahaa hal joodari laba qof share gareeyo, even sadex qof, oo gees gees loo seexan jiray (meaning shafka hore ayaa joodariga saaranee, lugahaana banaanka). Ask reer Otaango, LoL. Anyway, I remember one night in Neyroobi that there were nine guys and three minimum-sized joodari. Si walba waala yeelay, qof ayaa faqad noqonaaye. Finally the three mattresses waala isku dhajiye and each of us had space so scarce that we felt sleeping that night might feel like dad meyd eh; no body had a space uu isku gadiyo. The funny thing was markii la isku wada faraashay, no body could sleep, markaasna sheeko ayaa la galay waagana ku barye, kii kacay markaasna laga faa'ideystay.

1) Somaliland 2) Puntland 3) Central ( Hiiraan, Galgaduud, Sh/dhexe and South Mudug) 4) South West( Bay, Bakool, Sh/hoose) 5) South (Gedo, J/dhexe iyo J/Hoose) 6) Banaadir ( 16 degmo) Intii gobol dhis lagu dag dagin waxaa ka horeyso waa in horta la helaa nabad, dowlad shaqeyso (not mid sadex qeyb u kala go'day) iyo gobolada la sheegaayo dadkeeda in lala soo shiraa. Teeda kalena af Soomaali baa ku hadalnaa, Soomaali baa nahnay. Gobolada waa inay magac Soomaali lahaadaan. Mida sadexaadka sidooda ha loo daayo, gobol walba sideeda ha isku maamusho, oo sidooda "federal" haku ahaadaan. Hadii wax la badalaayana lagu adkeystay, ha lagu soo celiyo sidii Kacaanka kahor gobolada ahaan jireen, oo kala ahaa: Mudug (whole Mudug iyo Galgaduud) Banaadir (Shabeellada Hoose iyo Banaadir) Jubbada Sare (Baay, Gedo, Bakool and parts of Jubbada Dhexe) Jubbada Hoose (parts of Jubbada Dhexe and Jubbada Hoose) Hiiraan Waqooyi Galbeed (Awdal iyo Waqooyi Galbeed) Waqooyi Bari (Togdheer, Sanaag iyo Sool) Bari (oo magac qabiil wadatay, consisting Bari iyo Nugaal)

Eebe ha u naxariisto, aamiin.

Salaan... We need to catch, if more is not possible, one fish at a time. We had Cabdi Qeybdiid fish in prison. Cabdullaahi Yuusuf could one day too be in that court, who knows. When a warlord fish is caught, we all should relish. Personally, I neither know Cabdi Qeybdiid nor Cabdillaahi Yuusuf, but they are warlords. Warlords by nature and definition are murderous thugs, egotist psychopaths. We all agreed they are, and those few who don't, then we can't ration with them. Catch one, it is good. Catch them together, it is great. Either way, we shouldn't excuse one's accused crime because others are walking free. This isn't a Soomaali court that can handle all others at once. The Swedish court had one fish in their country and they caught. No need to make a sorry but excuse. Many of us witnessed the injustices against others whose only crime was being from a different clan feather. I was in Xamar in 1991 when the worst atrocities were committed. I don't know what happened in other cities, but honestly what happened in Xamar in that year was animalistic actions. One night, one of my sister's close friends brother from their student days in Lafoole was forcibly taken from his home. A lot of their neighbours heard the hapless beseeching, the yelling and shouting from his sisters and mother who knew what was going to happen the moment he walks of their door with that blood-hungry militia. The beseeching didn't help, and the next day his body was discovered as a display on a famous park. To make it worse, the next day, one of the guys who killed him wore the very shirt the victim was wearing that night before in front of the victim's home, proudly displaying the victim's shirt as a trophy. Not a soul uttered a word. He wore that shirt the whole week. I never forget that qiso, because seeing my sister's friend's anguish and pain. Public displaying of killed bodies wasn't an isolated event. It used to happen on weekends (habeenka khamiista iyo maalinta jimcada) occasionally, mostly put on famous barxadaha, especially at Tarbuunka, which reminds me another tragic episode I really wish never to witnessed. One Friday this ciyaal xaafad kid heard rumours bodies were at display at Tarbuunka. He tried hard to go with him, and we relunctly agreed. I wish I didn't. The first body I saw was a Soomaali sister, Oh, Lord. As a young boy who never before seen a dead body, let alone a murdered one, I instantly got sick, and upon seeing the next body, whose head was open 180 degrees, brain out, was enough. I run back to home, heavily perspiring. I was sick on that night and the next day. Whenever I hear qabyaalad, I can see those innocent people, whose crime was only their qabiil. And nothing else. I narrate these episodes because we need to humanize what those warlords and their militia--or those citizens whose clanish hatred overcome the spirit and good sense of their humanity--committed. We need to, or else we will never learn. One fish warlord at a time.

Originally posted by Alpha-Geeljire: :rolleyes: Maxaa kaa yaabiye, abaayo?

Originally posted by Naku Penda Piya: You all got jokes walee. What's with those people who take the "Close your gaps. Feet to feet, shoulder to shoulder" Hadith all literally. I'm trying to concentrate in prayer when all of a sudden the lady next to me starts playing footsies with me. I try edging my self away from her but she keeps tangling with my pinky toe, What the crap? Making sure it doesn't get any room to breath! Walaahi waxaan ka hadlaaye waaye. However, I didn't expect our sisters experienced similarly. These overstepping started--as much of other foreign practices like surwaalgaabnimo, jilbaab, and rumeyga masaajidka lala dhexwato right before the salaad--after the civil war. I pray at two masaajido mostly, one run by Soomaali and the other Guyanese from Central America. I sensed many Soomaalis go to this Guyanese masaajid simply because of avoiding rigidity associated at the Soomaali masaajid. I am for all lugaha la isku dhajiyo, but aw Surwaalgaab takes it more than literally, if you had seen some brothers. They overstep you, making you completely unconfortable, forcing you to think about your aching toes than the salaad. Imagine a tarawiix or salaatul leyl adoo ku jirtid koo kugu taagnaado the whole rakaca, and if you try to move a bit, he won't understand and keep inching you as well. Sometimes it seems their whole salaad consists checking and re-checking what is going on those toes, and I guess few pay attention quraanka la aqrinaayo. My shoes were stolen, or lost last week, I now keep them in a plastic bag, inside my purse. Lesson best learned after having to walk two blocks bare feet in the rain. :mad: Gucci ayee ahayeen yaah. Maskiin. Masaajid gucci ma lagala tago, hadii lagu dhihinba xaaraan waaye. Next time watar baruufkaa qaado To be honest The God-Fearing Wadaado are amazing Grace and they have a good impact for betterment to the society in general. Unlike Pseudo-Generals, and their subordinates who destroy, rape, pillage,scorn and torch the earth. Don't we also saw the Pseudo-Politians outselling and outgunning each other, and finally enter the Pseudo-Intelletcuals wanna sell our last Xayaa and Xishood,and dismiss the Diin and reduce it to nothing else but an old arab traditions and women-Opressing rituals. I think you don't read the news lately. I've had my share of my surwaalgaab. The latest I read from wararka dalka ka imaanaayo mentioned not the "pseudo-politicians" or "pseudo-intellectuals" bothering others, but your very dear surwaalgaab group under the cloak of Maxkamada Islaamka stealing and abusing an unarmed people's savings in Xamar. That was the latest news from the other day. Anyway, I don't judge a person because how long an inch his trouser is or how millimeter a man's gar is. No, I don't look at these superfluous qualities, but I differentiate how that person's actions, habits and behaviours are, regardless if the person is wadaad or waranle as long as that person is good-natured. See reer surwaalgaab u soo fara baxeen diintii waxee ka dhigeen rigid, not how flexible and tolerate it used to be in the old days, before the war. Now you can't go to Soomaalida masaajidkooda (that is where surwaalgaab congregate) unless you have gar or your surwaal is gaabni enough or some would give you some look that I personally think borders 'dirty look.' Mabda'ooda waxee noqotay our way or the highway (under the 'sunna' seef and 'bidca' scaremongering). Our fathers practiced diinteena sharafta leh ee Islaamka a thousand years before they came, and we will, Eebe haduu idmo, practice that way, mise seeftooda hala boodaan mise ha qeyliyaan regardless.

Waxaa la yaabay markee Dowladii C/qaasin jirtay, waxaan oo dad oo dowlad jeceyl Soomaalinimo eh intee jireen? Ma jiifeen? Ha ogaadaan sidee Dowladaas Carte ugu soo horjeedeen, there are others with same shirt ugu soo horjeedo dowladaan C/llaahi Yuusuf: Clanish mentality. Jug jug meeshaada joog, indeed. Intaa saan ku jirnana adduunka waa naga tagay, meel aa gaareyno ayaa iska yar.

Originally posted by Alpha-Geeljire: The difference between the inhabitants of Mogadishu to baidoa (southern Somalis) and the descendents of THE GREAT who roam from garbahaarey-galkacyo-goldgob-lascanod-lasqorey is that the descendents of THE GREAT have something call "daqaan" and have the mental capability to know the difference between right and wrong, while the others are barbaric, inhumane, cannibal-like, savages. This is proving by the actions eachone took during dagaalki sakooye. Laakiin intaa "the difference between cannibals, barbaric and the GREAT" people of yours soo baran, af Soomaaligaa gaja gaja soo badal. "Dhaqan" iyo "dagaaladdii" waaye, mise amaaba dhaqan celis u baahan tahay.

Baliis, baliis, baliis, for the Looooof of Eebe, Reer Surwaalgaab, don't overstep on my toes, especially faryareeyda hoose. It hurts. Keep your cago loosely side by side on my cag, but not overstepping. Dankis. Mahadsanid.

Salaan... The brief Cabdi Qeybdiid detention remarkably taught us and forced all of us to see the intended barriers and obstacles that lie ahead. It taught us whether or if the possibility of ultimate and definitive solution to the ongoing Soomaali civil war is ever attainable. It taught us, as it emerged, regardless the severity of atrocities committed by certain questionable individuals, to a certain fringe, qabiil always comes first, from both the detractors and supporters. Detractors rejoice the simple arrest of an individual regardless the evidence against that particular person because simply the person belongs the perceived adversary qabiil. Likewise, the supporters buoy up and defend the person simply he belongs their clan. In Qeybdiid’s case, what emerges was both surprise and disappointing at the same time. On this particular forum, three groups became apparent. The euphoric from the cheering in an ultimate exultation and gloating on hearing the arrest of one of their apparent enemy clan's most prominent. The supporters unbelievable overreaction, from questioning a third well-regarded independent country's jurisdiction to the legality of such an international arrest to what the accused has done to warrant such an arrest, and if he did, he was simply defending his turf in an entangled civil war. And the third group who did not defend the accused but nonetheless muttered quietly if indeed he is accused and is a war criminal, why this particular individual now? Why not others? Why such and such are freely walking, and all of this, this man is arraigned to scapegoat others. If the official half million or so who perished and are still perishing in this endless Soomaali civil conflict ever wanted to see the light of ever seeing the perpetrators who committed those unspeakable crimes against humanity ever brought to justice, this brief saga tells us we have yet to mature and unshackle from the ugly, deep pysch of negative tribal mentality of allegiance. The innocents will eventually have their day in court, be it a Divine Court or not, and regardless how the backers and disparagers seem to defend or jubilate against accused criminals.

The epitome of Soomaali man's culture. A perfect koofiyad Barawaani on the top. A nice, old-style camaamad (not the red ones those everything-Sacuudi-worshipping surwaalgaab wear) on shoulder, not on the head. A great, fashionable hoosgundi. A nice home-made jambal. That will be in my utopic retirement day, down in a Soomaali city or town, peacefully enjoying the scenic views with a koob of shaah, contemplating about the old dreary, gloomy and chilly days in a city then known of Koronto. One of these days, Eebe haduu idmo.

Meeshaan waala isku waabsanooyaa.