Originally posted by Flight_13: One Somalia, I’m very sure you don’t know anything about history of Somali’s, for that you indeed are a Hypocrite! I’ll love to go on and on…but I’m sure I cannot add anymore then that has been said that YOU could ever understand. Ps; Ninwaliba dameer kiis, keekalana doontees… I hope you understand what I mean. Plus, I’m suggesting you should change your nickname… No need to attack her, sister. Qof walba his or her opinion ayuu ka yeelan karaa arrimaha Soomaaliya and its history. Xoog ma jiro.

I found this piece as well, I think it may be a bit relevant. It was a meeting between East German leader Erich Honecker and his Cuban counterpart, Fidel Castro. Circa March, 1977. The following excerpt is Fidel Castro told Honecker in East Berlin. ------------ Siad Barre had arrived in Aden that morning. Mengistu did not arrive until the afternoon. I had a conversation with Siad Barre in which he bared his claws. He told me that if Mengistu was a real revolutionary he should do as Lenin, and withdraw from his territory. Siad Barre took a very hard position. I asked him whether he felt that there had been no real revolution in Ethiopia and that Mengistu was not a real leftist leader. He told me that there had been no revolution in Ethiopia. While in Mogadishu he had shown me a map of Greater Somalia in which half of Ethiopia had been annexed. After my talk with Siad Barre, I told Mengistu about Barre's attitude, and asked him to remain calm. I already felt bad about having invited Mengistu to Aden while there was still a powder keg situation back in his country and that in such a tense situation he was to hear out the Somalis' territorial demands. With regards to my question about the situation of the Ethiopian army, Mengistu said that there were still difficulties but that he didn't think that there was an acute danger of a coup. When the meeting started, Siad Barre immediately began speaking. Siad Barre is a general who was educated under colonialism. The revolution in Somalia is led by generals who all became powerful under colonial times. I have made up my mind about Siad Barre, he is above all a chauvinist. Chauvinism is the most important factor in him. Socialism is just an outer shell that is supposed to make him more attractive. He has received weapons from the socialist countries and his socialist doctrine is [only] for the masses. The Party is there only to support his personal power. In his case there is a bizarre symbiosis of rule by military men who went through the school of colonialism and social appearances. Something about socialism appeals to him, but overall there is still a lot of inequality and unfairness in the country. His principal ideas are nationalism and chauvinism, not socialism. His goal is old fashioned politics: sweet, friendly words. Siad Barre speaks like a wise man; only he speaks. He is different from the many political leaders that I know. [Egyptian President Anwar] Sadat, [Algerian President Houari] Boumedienne, [Mozambique President Samora] Machel, [Angolan President Agostinho] Neto and many others are strong characters. They can also listen and do not take a dogmatic attitude. One can speak with them. Siad Barre really thinks that he is at the summit of wisdom. Until now everything has gone smoothly for him. The Italians and the British made him a general. The revolution was accomplished in a minute, with hardly a shot fired. He put on a socialist face and got economic aid and weapons from the Soviet Union. His country is important strategically, and he likes prestige. Barre is very convinced of himself. His socialist rhetoric is unbearable. He is the greatest socialist; he cannot say ten words without mentioning socialism. With this tone he began to speak in the meeting with Mengistu. He began giving a lecture on Ethiopia and demanded from Mengistu to do as Lenin had done: do away with the Ethiopian Empire. Mengistu remained quiet; he said that Ethiopia was ready and willing to find a solution and that there needed to be the first concrete steps on both sides to achieve a rapprochement. Siad Barre theatrically responded that he was disappointed with Mengistu and that he displayed the same attitude as the Ethiopian Emperor. The Ethiopian revolutionary leadership had the same mentality as Haile Selassie. The meeting had begun at 11 PM and a solution was not in sight.

It was said it was Raul Castro's -- not his older, then-ruling brother Fidel -- keen idea of sending Cuban troops to Soomaali Galbeed to help Xabashis. It was him as a Cuban defense minister who suggested to his brother to help the crushed and overpowered Xabashis, and soon implemented that plan. He even flew to Adisababa to lead his speciallly trained troops. Some 1,000 Russians and 2,000 Cubans arrived with the hardware, and they may not all be just advisers: both Eritrean and Somali rebel forces claim to have captured Cuban combat troops. Underscoring Moscow's new urgency about the battle of the Horn, Raul Castro, Fidel's brother and Cuba's Defense Minister, arrived in mid-January, apparently to help Mengistu run his dual war against the rebels and his political opponents in Addis Ababa. [ Time magazine - Feb. 06, 1978] The Soviet Union is arming Ethiopia in the battle, and U.S. government sources said last week that Raul Castro, Fidel's younger brother, is in Ethiopia to direct a counterattack that might involve Cuban troops. Somalia issued a statement Monday asking "the world at large and especially friendly and peace-loving nations to fully support Somalia to quell... [ Modesto Bee - January 18, 1978]

Maxaa cusub?

Were you there today? Anyone? A related news article. ------------ A chance for Canadians to get involved Ottawa Citizen February 29, 2008 An Ottawa computer programmer organizes an academic workshop to address Somalia, its grim situation and its possibly peaceful future, Louisa Taylor writes. The news from Somalia is grim - worse than in most of the 17 years since the East African country has had a functioning government. Fighting between Ethiopian troops and the fragile transitional government on one side with Islamic insurgents has become so intense in the capital, Mogadishu, that hundreds of thousands of residents have fled the city. The United Nations estimates almost a million Somalis have been forced from their homes and many of them are now grappling with acute malnutrition, leading to a humanitarian crisis that is getting little attention abroad. But it gets lots of attention among Somalis in Ottawa, and one has decided he had to do something to further the cause of peace. Salim Hagi is a computer programmer with Statistics Canada, but he also runs a popular news website, Markacadeey Media , which has kept the Somali diaspora informed about the situation on the ground. Now he wants to raise awareness of the situation in Somalia among the wider Canadian community. "It's almost 18 years now that the Somali crisis has been going on, with fighting and killing each other, and now it seems the situation is the worst it has ever been," said Mr. Hagi. "I said to myself, nothing is going on with the Canadian government. What if I do a workshop - maybe then something can happen." With the help of Pierre Beaudet, a professor at the University of Ottawa, Mr. Hagi has organized a workshop on Saturday, bringing in academics from Canada and the U.S. The program will begin with presentations on the background of the conflict and its causes, and then move into a discussion of possible peace initiatives. Mr. Hagi received funding for the workshop from the International Development Research Centre and the University of Ottawa, and also raised money in the community. "Our intention is not to support one side or another but try to put the problem on the table and see what scholars think the problem is," says Mr. Hagi. "There's no magic bullet, but we're trying to help, particularly on the humanitarian side." Mr. Hagi has been spreading the word by handing out flyers at Friday prayers, writing announcements for Somali radio programs and posting bulletins on his own website. "We want Canadians to play an active role, a leading role, particularly on the humanitarian side." Through the Canadian International Development Agency, Canada gave $7 million in aid to Somalia in 2005-2006, in the top 10 of donors to the country but below the aid from other countries, including the United States, Norway and Italy. Humanitarian organizations made a joint appeal last November for $406 million, the figure they estimated was needed to meet the needs of all the displaced people in Somalia, says Denise Shepherd-Johnson, spokesperson for Unicef's Somalia program. For several weeks there was no response, and Unicef feared that it would have to close its 10 feeding centres in the south of the country at the end of this month. Money has now started to come in, particularly from the United States and Ireland, and the feeding centres will remain open, Ms. Shepherd-Johnson said. (A CIDA spokesperson was unable to confirm Canada's response to the appeal at press time.) One of the speakers at Saturday's workshop is David Shinn, adjunct professor at George Washington University and former U.S. ambassador to Ethiopia. Mr. Shinn says he sees reason for a bit of optimism at the moment as the "new prime minister is truly trying to reach out and have discussions with his opponents, and his opponents seem to be somewhat impressed by this." But for now, hundreds of thousands of Somalis are living in camps, without clean water and adequate food, grappling with the trauma of fleeing their homes, says Ms. Shepherd-Johnson of Unicef. "This isn't the latest sexy new story, but people might forget that we are talking about a child, a woman, a family," says Ms. Shepherd-Johnson. "The Somali people are resilient and they manage to keep going, in the hope that people will watch and respond."

Meel qamri lagu gadaayo Eebba ima geeyo. Meesheeda ha iga joogto. Ani quite sometime ruwaayad Koronto kama aadin, and the last time aan ogaa xanta fanaaniinta inay backstage kusoo cabaan la socday. Haddiiba in meeshii loo soo badalay in lagu gado, allaheey ka alla hee. Ma iinjeeda.

Originally posted by Lois Lane: While peace is a great thing and the efforts of the northern regions are absolutely amazing, theres nothing greater then Somaliniimo. If the same efforts of separatism were put in uniting Somalis, the north would be even better then it is today. Its about time that all Somalis be part of the solution. Preach garee, sister. U sheeg dadka qaarkiis qabyaalad indhaha tirtay.

[Five] years ago Soomaali shows were serving pepsi for drink, but nowadays there is Heineken and Corona light. In this episode, the debate was: How can you stop that? And what caused the gap between our elders and the teenagers (youth). Watch the "debate." Though I didn't watch it fully, laga doodaayo aaba i dishay. Wey ii dhineyd ruwaayad qamri lagu gadaayo, ar waa horaa meesha igu dambeysee. That itself a bit surprise igu ah. Eebboow ummadeena samatabixi -- aamiin. A person, supposedly a Soomaali, wrote this on their comment's section: "I think smoking weed is part of Soomaali culture..we had and still have beer in Soomaaliya - Shalaboow has more alcohol than Vodka! These Soomaali people need to integrate and the second Soomaali generations are becoming part of America - I hope the third generation Soomaalis be more progressive and more assimilated." Waaba la isla qumanyahay.

Kk adiga oo aboowgaa iyo nuuneeydaada haystaba hadaa calaacaleesid maxaan ka sugaa MMA oo wali cidlo qaboow ku dilay iyo Aaliyah oo dadka u ganbanaysay? Qaboow? Aniga? See camalkaana, abaayadiis. Feynuus weyn ii shidan aniga, see waaye. Dadka shumaca u shidan ayaa barafkaan dilay, ani waaka barmoosay yaaqeey. Kuusha haye, Beledweyne iska dhaafee, gees ka gees la ii joogaa, qofteyda meel walbee ka muuqataa nooh. From Baddacas to Bari to Beledweyne to Baardheere to Baraawe ayee iiga muuqataa, dhankaa fiiriyaba iyadaa arkaa.

Abaayadiis, intaas lee maala maqnayd? Wax unsourced wikipedia laga keenay? Kamoon nooh, you can find much better than that. Find sourced, credible information, not wax any layman can write. Any person can write on wikipedia, you should have known. By the way, Muqdisho -- the historical Xamar, which I had mentioned countless times on prior posts -- were controlled by surrogates of Cumaaniintii until the gumeysidoon Talyaanis arrived in late 19th and early 20th centuries. However, the immediate area were controlled by Soomaalis, those sultanates were not the sultanate you mention. The interiors -- that is, the surrounding land that surrounds Xamar and vicinity -- were ruled by this famous dynasty before it disintegrated, defeated in a repetitive wars by allied many Soomaali clans. Then this sultanate arose in the vacuum after some consdirable time passed. Both sultanate ruled the interiors of Xamar, especially the Shabeellaha Hoose. Wax in la isdhaafsado waa loo baahanyahay, and I am more open to know anything that concerns our history. I am not biased to anybody. I am open-minded. PS - Your link is not working, but here it is.

Originally posted by Armchair Politician: Really long polished wooden table? Check Everyone has their own bottle of water? Check Everyone looks really bored, and noone has even opened their notebook? Check Looks as though Puntland has started offering a selection of soda pop with your water as well.

Baddacase by C/salaan Macalin Siciid. Dhul biyuhu maraanoo Xareeduna baliga taal Wacan bay ku dhalatiyo Dhul barwaaqo ah ood garan Biraanteedaan waayoon Baadi doon ku waashee Bariga ay ku nooshahay Shimbir buuba igu tiri Bararkeeda oon barkadiyo Basharkeeda ayaan u bogaya Bishaan dhexdeeda oon helaan Boqol aan soomaan Balan ku qaadee Bilaash laguma dhaartee Buurahaan jecleystiyo Bartii muuqa dheereyd Bartankeediyo Beledweyney ku nooshahee Boqolka soo baxaayeey Shan iyo tobnaadeey Baahida aan kuu qabo Barniyeey, biraan aragaa ha iga tagin Bootin dheer Bureeqa Oo baalasheedii fidisoo In ay buubto bilowdoo Bilcinnadii ka boodaay Berigii aan isbaranaan Wadnaha boog ku yeeshee Beerkii bay damqadayoo Boqoduhu kuu basaasee Baddacas baan ku geynayaa Biyo janaan ku siinayaa Bogeyga waan ku saarayaa Badbaado oo aragtiyo Barwaaqo oo aan gaarnaan Bilaahi kuugu marayaa

The meaning of Obama's robes A photo of US presidential candidate Barack Obama wearing Somali clothing is causing a storm after it got released to the Drudge Report website. Yusuf Garaad Omar, head of the BBC's Somali Service, explains the meaning of the robes. These are the normal clothes that nomadic people wear. The head turban is especially used by elderly people as a suggestion of respect. It is something that has no meaning whatsoever in Somalia culture. If you see someone dressed like that in Somalia, you think it is a nomadic person - that is all. There is no religious significance to it whatsoever. It is mainly the nomadic people who use it. Some of them are religious, some are not. It is simply a tradition of the place where they are from. In this particular place, Wajir in north-east Kenya, the community is majority ethnic Somali. They have a council for Peace and Development, and when they get delegates they dress them as a nomadic person. I have been trying to track down the old man in the photo with Mr Obama, and I have been told he is Mohammed Hassan, the chair of the council itself. But he is not in town today, and we could not get hold of him. This debate reminds me of people back home in Somalia, who say that women should not wear trousers, or other cultures who say men should not wear a tie. I just don't think it makes sense. Beenbeensii

Besides, there is already another thread regarding this issue incase you haven't notice MMA I know, sister. But this thread is a year and half old, so I remembered when I called him a marax in a mock reference in that time. I wanted to take that comment back now, since dad badan dhaqankeenaba soo faragishtay, wax kale ka dhigay. I see you didn't check the date. come on now, I think he looks rather handsome in that garb. Don't force inaa mid anigoo hoosgundideyga sabarindida mida ah waliba wato inaa inta kusoo dhajiyo. Hoostaa gilinaa yarkaan dhagaha kuus kuusan.

Hala isku tartiibiyo, aqiyaareey. Meesha aflagaado yee soo galin. Heated debates, yes, but aflagaado yaa lagu soo darin meesha idinkoo mahadsan.

This was the picture I was mocking a year and half ago. Where was the uproar when I called him marax? I called him marax wearing go'a iyo hoosgundida hidaheena ah in '06, when he was visiting Wajeer. I will take and swallow back that comment now. He is raggeedi now, so unmarax.

Rokko, how many tries did you do to get to that far? Runta sheeg yaah.

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: MMA.......LooooooooL@Tolkaville...Macbuudka xabad xabad usoo baxa dheh. MMA, I say you do fine job dealing with these gangs aka Somaliland Gang, Puntland Gang, and who could leave Hiiraale Gang, and oh yeah Maakhir gang,but there are peaceful and a bit more mature. Hal hal maa sheegtaaye, koox koox ha usoo baxaan. Xiinfaniin and Baashi, meesha groupthink mentality baa ka socoto, wax cusubna ma'aha to this special group ku jiro in this thread. The familiar, usual suspects familial groups were succinctly mentioned by Che. Come hell, they will follow an ilma'adeer than correcting or criticizing him or her on publically. Xishood ma jiro, not to mention meel aan absolutely waxba yaalin in wax laga raadiyo. I have no idea why and what my moderatorship sometimes has to do with my opinions. Am i censoring forumers on here? Am I deleting, editing their posts? And when did I ever dad ka buriye inta, ka xigsaday? Simply waxaa la rabaa in qof's opinion la shut gareeyo because the groupthink tolka finds it indigestible, and the easiest they can find is always lagu gambado under this moderatorship position, which I am volunteering. And that would not be expected from me, not now, whether under my name has a MOD sign or not. Never. My firm stance of the sacred unity of Soomaaliya will never change; I will always firmly be against qabyaalad iyo qurunkeeda, too. Anyone lasoo shirtago those two issues should expect a firm rebuke. Kuusha, Xaa heysaa abaayadiis caawa?

You can not tell me that Xamar belongs to this ppl [people with their roots in ancient Arabia, Persia and South and Central Asia] The unfortunate fact, however, is those same people -- whom you refer to have "roots in ancient Carabta and Persia" -- were the founders of Xamar. I gave my sources in prior posts of mine, and will post another source below. There were no Soomaalis there, iskaba dhaaf a sub-clan you are persisting to claim on their behalf. Soomaali dhan ma joogin when they arrived, founded a civilized, functioning city. History, not kutiri kuteen, attests to that. Archaeological evidence as well validates that. Masaajidka Cabdicasiis [whose xaafad and degmo was named after, and which still stands] is almost a millennium old. Old Masaajidka Faqaradiin, which does not stand today, is also built a time dating way back several hundred years ago. Arbacarukun masaajid too as well, though assumed built much later than the former other two. The reality, again, is that maryooleeys did not built those masaajido. Heck, they were not even there. They were in the deep interior, closest in Shabeellooyikna. And those who were there were not even the sub-clan you are claiming to "own" Muqdisho now. The founders of Xamar built it, the founders who even named Xamar as Xamar, who named Muqdisho as Muqdisho and Banaadir as Banaadir. Here is a screenshot of an excerpt from authoritative The Cambridge History of Africa: As you can see, Faqaradiin masaajid was apparently named the founder of Muqdisho sultanate, according to that book and he was not ethnically even Soomaali. And here, another quote from the same book: Ha u diidin dadka waxee dhiseen. Aniga dadkaas Xamar ma siinaayo maanta, shaleyna ma dhihin iyagaa leh, oo iyagaa leh kuma dhahaayo, but should one group be attributed being founders of our beloved Xamar, then they are the first and the last come to mind. Give credit where it is due. That is history. You cannot deny that and rewrite history because some clans now have the biggest guns in Xamar. Your map only labels where the so-called "major" armed clans live, it does not include the so-called "minority" non-ethnic Soomaali clans. A whole junk of Jubbooyinka and Shabeellooyinka are lived by those people "minority" loogu waco or that unsavory, offensive labels of "others/barka" loogu sii daray. Ee marka war lee maa wadeynaa. Intaan ka badan xaaraan waaye. Isdaba socod iyo muran dalac bilaash ee noqonee, which I don't want it to be. Bas waaye, intaan kusoo gaba gabeynaa.

Ha moogan kulankaas.

Dad wareeray waaye, wali Soomaalida dabeecadooda ma baran. Dad madax adagna waaye, oo wax aan tooda ahayn mid kale aanan aaminsanayn. Wuxuu ka dhahay Diinsoor maalin dhawayd markuu ku sugnaa saacado Mukhtaar Rooboow lee cajiibkeeda fiiri: "[D]adweynihii ayaa u sabciyey kadibna wuxuu ku yiri, "Aniga sacabka waxaan ka jeclahay Allaahu Akbar, sacabka waa midka aan soo nacay oo aan ka dagaalamayo..." Allaahu Akbar, sax, qof diidan maleh. Xaa keenay sacbis la dagaalan? They believe in uu sacabka bidco yahay or shuqul isgaaleys iska dhig dhig ah. Dad waashay waaye, meel ay wax ka bilaabaan iyo ka wadaan wali aanan garan.

Originally posted by ONE SOMALIA: MMA damiin far waaween aa wax loogu qoraa marka see wax kuu fahamsiiyaa qabiil meesha malugu qorikaree post aan kuuggu soo qoray meesha ka aqri muqdisho qeebta ugu danbeesa mar kasta yaa la dhihin one clan oo dhan ayaa leh xamar ama so called banaadir waa la og yahay dad qaas aanan doon iyo wax la mid ah keenin inay leeyihiin marka cool off and read the history i cant write that spicial sub clain here. DUKE i know moqdisho inay kawada dhaxeeso soomali l;aakiin waa in loo qirtaa dadka leh INSHAA ALLAH wayna fiicnaan doontaa waana loo wada noqon doonaa Horta Ms. Wan Soomaaliya, kusoo dhawoow golahaan, maadaama aad wali ku cusubtahay. Meeshaan SOL ayaa la yiraahdaa, oo barasheeda kuu dhiman. Should you bring any kutiri kuteen and hearsay opinions masqueraded as facts from the grapevines of tolkaville, and not actual known, proven facts, expect to be dissected, examined, scrutinized, sliced, challenged, analyzed and matched with if they confirm to the historical, written facts. Alas, this forum is not tolkaville again, where expectedly everything, regardless how absurd, is yes, yes, yes. You should have better known that. Bring known facts on the table, not what hebel or heblaayo said. And I read what was on that page from the source you have posted. It seems you yourself did not read much for there are facts on that page itself against what you believe.

Dagaal culus oo ka dhacay deegaanka Dhoobley ee gobolka Jubbada Hoose Dagaal xooggan ayaa maanta (Feb. 24, '08) wuxuu ka dhacay deegaanka Dhoobley ee Gobolka Jubbada Hoose, iyadoo dagaalkaasina uu u dhexmaray maleeshiyo beeleedyo ka soo jeeda deegaankaas iyo ciidamada amniga deegaanka. Dagaalkan oo ay ku dhinteen 3 ruux, 8 kalena ay ku dhaawacmeen ayaa la sheegay in uu salka ku hayo nin dhalinyaro ah oo dhawaan ay bartamaha deegaanka Dhoobley ku dileen ciidanka amniga deegaanka Dhoobley. Warar aynu ka helnay Degmada Afmadoow ayaa waxay sheegayaan in ninka la dilay ee uu dagaalka ka bilowday intii aan la dilin ay u yimaadeen rag hubeysan oo ka tirsan ciidamada amniga deegaanka Dhoobley, kadibna ay ku amreen in uu demiyo hees uu dhegeysanayay, iyadoo markii uu amarkaas qaatay kadib oo ay raggii ka tageenna uu dib u daaray heestii nin kale oo la joogay ninka la dilay, taasi oo keentay in marxuumka ay ku furaan rasaas uu u geeriyooday . Dagaalka maanta ka dhacay deegaanka Dhoobley oo la sheegay in uu ahaa mid aad u culus ayaa wuxuu saameyn ku yeeshay dadkii deegaankaas ku dhaqnaa, kuwaasi oo qaarkood ay ku qaxeen xadka u dhaxeeya Soomaaliya iyo Kenya, halka kuwo kalena ay ku carareen dhulka baadiyaha ah. Xaaladda deegaanka Dhoobley ayaa haatan waxay tahay mid aad u kacsan, waxaana laga cabsi qabaa in uu dagaalka faraha ka sii baxo, isla markaana uu geysto khasaare ka badan tii uu maanta geystay. Xigasho

AfricaOwn do you know when the TFG's term will end? Officially, it ends August, 2009. But it already ended when they invited Xabashis to Soomaaliya. It is just another puppet entity with no legitimacy.

Ka warama kan la baxay O'Hirsi, ula jeedana Awxirsi? Irish baaba la aaday. Berina maxaa maqalnaa? McRaugh mid la baxay magaciis ah Macruuf? Aan iska dhaafnee dad maqan boggaan ayaa noogu filan fiiriskiisa, inta 'magac' kala jaabo shisheeye la wato, badanaana ereyo Ingiriis qaabdaran ah. Kalsooni la'aan ereyada Soomaaliyeed heysato. Keyga inkastoo sadex erey Carabi isku wada yahay, wali waa ereyo Afsoomaaliga la wadaago yahay, lana Soomaaliyeeye.