You cannot downplay the Persian influence in the history of Banaadir [a Persian word itself]. Waxyaaba badan ka muuqato inay jireen, qaas ahaan ereyada abkooda kasoo jeedo Persian, kamid yihiin Banaadir, Muqdisho, reer la dhaho ****** oo Banaadiriga kamid ah, ****** and other "Banaadiri" people ee Reer Xamarka. ______________ MMA, baliis, no clan names allowed in this forum. You've been warned. [ July 08, 2008, 02:02 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

Yes, use warankiilo. Better if you prolongingly keep the unwanted fingers with cilaan in the warankiilo for a few minutes. Disclaimer: Absoultey in no way SOL or I is responsible the opinion above that is just advised.

Cabdiyo Cabdi [ , what a name], what does "bud" mean, sheegba? Ha i dhihin budka garuunka ah dadka lagu garaaco. Boosteeyo qof la dhaho ma maqashay waligaa? And if you do, can you guess its meaning?

A dog which refuses a bone is not alive = Eygii laf diiday manoola The child you sired hasn't sired you = Nimaa dhashay kuma dhalin A thousand assignations, one marriage = Naag kun baa koodisa, kow baana guursada To be without knowledge is to be without light = Aqoon la'aani waa iftiin la'aan A man prolonging his age sees a camel giving birth = Cimrigaaga raago geel dhalaayo aas ku tusaa [What a translation! ] An escaped lie does not reach the truth = Been fakatay run ma gaarto You don't go searching for bones in a lion's den = Aqal libaax lafo lagama waayo (?) [A mistranslated maahmaah, I think.] A deer is an elder to its family = Sagaaro inteeda waa duq (?) [Another mistranslated one, perhaps.]

Waaw, folks. Easy on the qabiil names thrown out from left and centre. I know it is innocuous and educational, but still... Baddacas, yaa ku baray that clan's name? I mean it is a long way from Waqooyi Galbeed to Luuq, Gedo, where that particular clan's people live. Yea, you have a point about some current community members of that particular clan you mentioned were originally from Waqooyi, but not the clan as a whole.

Ee kaligiis ma support gareeyo in uu dagaal halganka ah lagula jiro Xabashada ka socdo Koonfurta. Dad badan ayaa aaminsan saas. Mise asaga kama imaan Koonfurta miyaa so he has no business to encourage halganka ka socdo Koonfurta? Anyway, some of us are making him to be a diehard separatist. We need the people like him to get closer to the idea of Soomaaliweyn, instead of alienating them. That Bari invasion thread is one of the alienation I am referring to. It was a sheer reaction of accusations labelled against him.

Are you serious about those questions? Kamoon. Its not just a simple interaction (fadhi ku dirir), some people live by it and die by it and have no social interaction outside the net. I don't know how you came up with this. What did you base on this, especially after your admission of coming to this site "once in the blue moon"? Oh, you were a silent reader, but only posted once in a while, I see. How does SOL help its members? How of what? I don't know how SOL helps its members. It is just a social website, an interactive one, a virtual e-gathering of us nomads around the world. It facilitates our e-meetings more easily and sharing our thoughts, opinions with ourselves. Probably you were referring to this fact, but I don't know if that can be defined as a helping tool. Perhaps to a Soomaali who lives where there hardly is any fellow Soomaali around. If this is the case, then most of us live in large cities with too many Soomaalis. This site, once again, brings together us nomads together online and more easily to share our opinions and ideas. It is also a clean, friendly site, which is a bonus.

Wax yar aan ka dhaho: Baddacas is not a "hardcore secessionist" oo quusasho laga taaganyahay. Our brother waa qunyarsocod, and I believe in the end believes a just, caddaalad lagu dhisay Soomaaliweyn. It is not, I believe, too much to ask. Marka hasii fogeynin Xiimaayoow, by accusing him being hardcore iyo waxyaabahaas kale. There are plenty of other diehard separatist fishes you can find in this pool, in this section. Baddacas is not one of them.

It is just an extended interaction of daily life, whether this platform is online or not. Nothing more or less. People just share their opinions. So you were one of the lurkers, err silent readers, I see. Do you also have an "emotional attachment" yourself to be a frequent silent reader of this site as well?

Canadian insurgent 'Asparo' killed in Somalia A former Toronto resident who joined an Islamic insurgency in Mogadishu has been killed this week during violent clashes in wartorn Somalia. Ethiopian troops killed Canadian Abdullahi Afrah, 56, late Tuesday during fighting in central Somalia, according to local media reports and various members of Toronto's Somali community. Known widely as Asparo, he had left Toronto a decade ago to return to his birthplace in support of an Islamic group that fought to bring leadership to a country without a stable government since 1991. He became a high-ranking member of the Union of Islamic Courts that held power in Mogadishu for six months in 2006. The group's strict adherence to sharia law – such as the public executions of criminals and flogging of women who failed to don the hijab – drew comparisons to the Taliban. "It's unfortunate to see a former friend and colleague fall into the trap of the radicals, particularly for someone who lived in Canada and enjoyed the freedom and law and order," said Ahmed Yusuf, a Toronto social worker who used to play basketball with Afrah when he lived in the city in the 1990s. Others say the killing will undermine efforts to bring peace as Afrah was among the moderate voices within the Islamic movement. "It is not clear why Ethiopian troops went there at this particular time. ... This will reinforce the position of the hardliners who were arguing against any peace deal while the Ethiopians are inside Somalia," said journalist Sahal Abdulle, who returned to Toronto last year after surviving a bombing that killed Canadian journalist Ali Sharmarke. "(Afrah) was one of the few intellectuals within his organization that had weight to move this peace process forward." Afrah had initially immigrated to Canada when Somalia's government collapsed in 1991 and Toronto became home to thousands of Somali immigrants and refugees. He is best remembered here for running a halal grocery store on Dundas St. W. His friends say that, while he lived in Canada, he wasn't overly political or religious. When the Union of Islamic Courts was in power in 2006, there was tentative support for Afrah's group since their authoritarian rule had brought stability. Somalis celebrated the Islamists' defeat of the rival warlords, whose fighting had left the country in shambles. "There's a bright future if things go on like this. We can say people will be saved, resources may come back, international relations may improve, construction may happen, people's trust in each other may be renewed," Afrah said in an interview with the Toronto Star from Mogadishu in October 2006. Two months later, Ethiopian troops moved into Mogadishu in support of the country's fledgling transitional federal government and crushed the Islamic group, sending its leaders fleeing. Afrah had remained in hiding in Mogadishu with his family. During a 2007 cellphone interview, Afrah had warned that Somalia would descend into chaos if the U.S.-backed Ethiopian troops wouldn't leave the country and vowed to have them removed by force if they refused. Somalia has seen some of its worst fighting in the past 18 months, with almost daily suicide and bombing attacks that have made the country more unstable than Iraq or Afghanistan, according to some international observers. But a key step toward peace was taken last month during a conference in Djibouti, where Somalia's transitional federal government signed a ceasefire agreement with the opposition group of moderate Islamists, the Alliance for Reliberation of Somalia. But the June 9 agreement split the insurgents; radical leaders vowed to continue fighting and called Somalia's interim government a puppet regime for Ethiopia and the U.S. Toronto Star

I see xiligii irida la furaaye la gaaray in this forum since many are joining lately with their welcome-me threads. Eniwey, welkam, Ms. Xawaajiyeey.

Originally posted by Kool_Kat: MMA, my mom, sisters and their kids were there shalay...They had a blast there...Everyone came out, gabar iyo wiil, habar iyo oday, wax maqnaa aa iska yar...Darn it and I missed it I was on recovery mode from the night before... Ar heestaanaa maanta igu cusub, ee enjoy it dadoow...These artists are pretty good walahi, waxa maanta jiro wax dhaamo ma arag...Young and talented: Dhibaatada waa layska dhaafaa Dadkaaga loo dhintaa Dhulkaaga la tiirsadaa Dhexdawaa loo xirtaa!!!!! Qatar kamaa qatar!!! ALLOW WADANKEENII NOO HAGAAJI!!!!!!!!!Wixii cuqdad ku jirtana Allaha ka saaro... EDIT: Couldn't let this one go either: Nabad Heesta nabad waaba aboosto, loo gali karin. Gabadha ka heeseyso heesahaan waa isku egtihiin maqlay, xaaka jirto? Hooyo and your sister's family were there, really? Ameeba ka muuqdaan sawirada qaarkood hee. LoL. Dabshid, xataa warlords do dress like that, ka waran.

And what are the rest of Soomaalis? Ma Reer Waqooyi kaligood ayaa dalkooda jecel oo wadaniyiin ah? "You Soomaalis" kulahaa. Goormee Soomaali la iska saaray.

As long as your aboowe is not with you when coming to this site, welkam then abaayadiis. Haddii kale...

Dankis, Dabshid. Meesha Dubeey miyaa? Obama ninkaan uu kasoo koobiyeeye labiska hidaha, ileen. Tooreeyda ka maqnayd lee.

Canadian Abdullahi Afrah, or Asparo as he's known to most, left Toronto nine years ago to return to his birthplace to see an end to the years of civil war that has consumed the country since the government collapsed in 1991. It is sad to report that according to this following news report, our brother C/llaahi Afrax Aasbaro, who u geeriyooday halganka dalkeena xoreyntiisa. Eebba janaadiisa fardowso haka waraabiyo -- aamiin, aamiin. Inta kale xaqdaro lagu dilayna Eebboow u wada naxariisto, aamiin, aamiin. ------------- Clashes in Somalia kill 53, dozens wounded MOGADISHU, July 2 ( Reuters ) - At least 53 people were killed in Somalia when Islamist insurgents clashed with Ethiopian troops and Ugandan peacekeepers in separate battles, a human rights group said on Wednesday. The latest flare-up in the 18-month-old insurgency came a week before a U.N.-mediated ceasefire between an Islamist faction and the interim Somali government is to take effect. The interim government and Ethiopia both declined comment on the clashes or any casualties. Hardline Islamists have been waging an almost daily Iraq-style insurgency against the interim government and its Ethiopian backers since they were ousted from Mogadishu and most of southern Somalia in 2007. "A total of 47 people died yesterday in central Somalia and in the capital Mogadishu last night," Ahmed Sudan, chairman of the Mogadishu-based Elman Peace and Human Rights organisation, told Reuters 47 people were killed on Tuesday and overnight in central Somalia and Mogadishu. He said six more had since died of their wounds. Sudan said 11 civilians were killed when Islamists ambushed Ethiopian troops and Ugandan peacekeepers in the capital Mogadishu overnight, while dozens of others were wounded. Another 36 people, including civilians and insurgents, were killed when rebels struck an Ethiopian troop convoy in Mataban, 410 km (255 miles) north of the Somali capital Mogadishu. Among the dead on Tuesday were Moalim Farhan, commander of the militant group that attacked the convoy, and Abdullahi Ali Farah, also known as Sheikh Asparo , a spokesman for the insurgents told Reuters. Aspro is deputy to hardline Islamist Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, who is on U.S. and U.N. lists of al Qaeda associates. "We buried 27 Somalis," shopkeeper Ismail Olad told Reuters from Mataban. "We do not know the number of Ethiopians killed." Somalia has been mired in anarchy, functioning without a central government since the fall of a dictator in 1991. Piracy has become an increasing problem in its waters. A Somali ship was hijacked on Sunday near El-Ma'an sea port, close to Mogadishu. "The ship, MV Solsea, was on its way to tow another Somali fishing vessel which developed mechanical problems near El-Ma'an when pirates seized it," Andrew Mwangura, director of the Kenyan Seafarers Assistance Programme, told Reuters. Three Germans are still held captive by Somali pirates in a forest near the Gulf of Aden in the northern Puntland region, while five Somalis working for an Italian aid agency, who were seized on Monday, are still in captivity. The U.N. children's agency UNICEF called on the world to act to avert famine in Somalia and other parts of the Horn of Africa. It said acute malnutrition rates in Somalia were now above 20 percent.

What a sight to see! Beautiful Soomaali kids celebrating Kowda Luulyo yesterday, here in Koronto. I am very, very proud to see them, full in hidaha iyo dhaqanka as well. Daleys [with the small flag] still kicking.

Waraa A+, ii waran? Ma imaaneysid sanadkaan meeshii? I thought inaa sanadkaana iskeeneysid as well.

And of course, being happy in the bedroom department is a must... You mean sleeping some nine or eight hours at a king bed together. Waaw, really? What if one of them quuranaayana? Would that be a must as well? Maba ogeyn in hurdo saas loogu dambeeyo, mise wax kale laga hadlooyaa aniga too innocent iska ahee. Maryan Ruun, enjoy the site, abaayadiis. Don't hesitate to share with us your ideas and thoughts.

Ticklish??? See camal, qof budkiisa gacmaha ku dhuf dhufanaayo iga dhigte, waiting the tinniest slip. Mayaa, see camaleeto. Che, Boston celebration kama jirto miyaa, mise 4th of July lala sugaa?

Flags for U.N. Members Being Raised Flags of sixteen new members of the United Nations are raised during ceremony. Secretary General Dag Hammarskjold (right, center) and General Assembly President Frederick Boland (left) flank Bakary Traore of Upper Volta as his country's flag is last to be hoisted. Other colors raised were those of Togo, Somalia, Senegal, Niger, Mali, Malagasy, Ivory Coast, Gabon Dahomey, Cyprus, The Republic of the Congo (former Belgian Congo), Congo Republic (former French Colony), Chad, Central Africa, and Cameroon. [siteember, 1960]

Aamiin to all your ducooyink, Nuunoow. -------------- Soomaaliya: It is not too late to save -------------- July 1st: The Forefathers Kept Their Eyes on the Prize T oday, July 1, is Somalia Independence Day. It was at the stroke of midnight on July 1, 1960, when the Somali people established their state and hoisted their beautiful flag. Somali Republic was the name given to this nascent nation. Every state worthy of its name should possess three fundamental nationhood features namely sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence. After that, legitimate states strive to achieve internal peace and pursue good governance, economic and social progress. These universal national objectives are work-in-progress for almost every country. On July 1, 1960, the founding fathers of the Somali state secured the three prerequisite characteristics of statehood and recognition poured in from every corner of the world. Somali became a member of the United Nations and the new country took, literally and figuratively, its rightful place among community of nations. That is what our fathers achieved. Their hope was that the next generation would tackle the important work of nation building. Instead of rolling our sleeves and joining the global march for progress, we drifted to undo the hard-won independence of the founding fathers. Fast forward to July 1, 2008 and it is obvious Somalia’s sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence is not intact. For one thing, one-third of Somalia otherwise known as Somaliland declared its independence from the rest of Somalia. The de facto secession of Somaliland puts a huge question mark on the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Somalia. More importantly though, there are thousands upon thousands of Ethiopian troops and spies in every corner of Somalia. The mere presence of these forces, whether they were invited by the TFG or they invaded the country, flies in the face of the cardinal principles statehood. Nations are sovereign because they have territorial integrity, in other words, the forces of other countries could NOT be in a sovereign country; consequently, states have political independence, that is, they are free to pursue their national-interests and manage their affairs as they see fit. In Somalia, foreigners such as the UN agencies or foreign embassies in Nairobi, Ethiopia and Eritrea are sadly more influential, when it comes to the political future of Somalia, then those who consider themselves as principal actors in the current Somalia drama. The simple reason the sovereignty, national independence and territorial integrity of Somalia are compromised is that we, SOMALIS, squander the achievements that our founding fathers. These national heroes attained their epic success with less education and resources then are available to us; they also faced formidable odds. Thanks to SYL and the Somali people who backed them, July 1, 1960, was day full of hope. The Somali people were literally one big happy family. To illustrate the maturity and forbearance of our people, let us revisit what had transpired the four fateful days between June 26, and July 1, 1960. On June 26, 1960, the Northern region of Somalia otherwise known as “British” Somaliland got its independence from Britain. Four days later, on July 1, 1960, the rest of Somalia known as “Italian” Somaliland attained their self-determination. That very July 1day, the two Somali regions - North and South - as they were known, reunited to form the Somali Republic. Due to perhaps the euphoria of the independence, innocent mistake on the part of the founding fathers or sheer insensitivity of some politicians, the key political posts and the most important symbol of power of the new Republic were awarded to the South. By this we mean, the President and the Prime Minister of the Republic were elected / selected from the South and Mogadishu, which is in the South, become the capital of the nation. This apparent imbalance was not lost to some politicians from the North but they could not dare postpone the birth of the nation, the act of union and July 1 festivals. The people of the North who enjoyed four days of independence and smelled the sweet scent of freedom wanted the creation of united, free Somali Republic. They expected their representatives not to indulge into politicking. The echoing mood of the masses - both in North and in the South as well as their instruction to the politicians was: keep your eyes on the prize – the creation of a united, independent, sovereign Somalia. Today July 1, 2008, neither June 26 nor July 1 is commemorated in Somaliland. In fact, May 18 the day northern Somalia declared its independence from the rest of Somalia has changed these important dates in the history of Somalia. This sad reality, as well as the fact that there is fierce fighting, political assassinations and absence of progress are the reality of most Somalia is as a direct result of our uncompromising and dilapidated politics. We are in this political and military quagmire because we, SOMALIS, bickered among ourselves. We perpetuated injustices among ourselves. We maltreated each other. We abused the trust of our people. Because of these self-inflicted mortal wounds, our body politic crumbled, our borders were infiltrated and everyone who had axe to grind with us or whosoever coveted after our resources saw a rare opportunity to exact revenge on us or to exploit our resources. The consequence is our current mournful July 1 Day. The reigniting the glory of Somalia is possible. We only need to employ the same political outlook our founding fathers. They compromised. They kept their eyes on the prize. We can celebrate the next July 1st Day in jubilation - that is if we reconcile, if we compromise and if we realize that we are one family – in the truest sense of the term. There are not many countries on this planet whose citizens share the same religion, the same language and the same culture and a beautiful country as we do. Let us keep our eyes on the prize. The recent Djibouti peace agreement seems to be the best chance we have. Let us give peace a chance. The key to sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence as well as progress is unity. A divided house cannot stand. Xigasho

Tuujka, baac, where were you today? Nin sintiisa kuusan meesha ka fiirinaaye, maba arkin wax sin kuusan. Intaa arkaaye waa walax calool iyo uus wada kuusan. Nuune, kuwoo Norway ka imaaday, "Simba" la magac baxay ciyaaraaye fiidkii. Probably your team might have faced them in Yurub. War Sujuu qaabdaran. Magac Soomaaliyeed mee waayeen markee "simba" la baxayaan? Libaax maxaa ka dhawaaq fiican. Sujuu seenbari Sujuu. They won, though, beating Atlanta Horseed, two to one.

What begins? Olympic Games? The usual squabbles ka wadaa, I see. Mansa Munsa, soo dhawoow wacan marka hore. I hope you will share with us pictorial report as well.

Thank you, duqa. Keep the good efforts up. And, yes, Soomaaliya iyo Soomaaliba ha noolaadaan. Here is Soomaaliweyn's map: Hopefully, one day all those lands isku imaan doono, with one indivisible unity.