ale-ubaahane they are mistreated in somalia, why do you have to deny,the name bantu is not degrading as jareer and adoon,that is what they were called in somalia, even though i do not think they were denied an education. do not judge ff she just posted what people are saying, is that a crime? :confused: plus why you always have to spoil topics with your nonesense arguments :mad:

what difference does her age make, whether she is 16 or 46, it is barbaric to rape anyone. this has nothing to do with clan or anything, and entire region should not be blamed what sick individuals did. i do not think it is wise her pictures to be posted. i do not think though she should be ashamed, the shame belongs the ones who abused her, she did not ask for it.

ale-u-baahane tell me please you are joking!!!because there is no way that islam would make us say what you wrote,read the seerah how the prophet(PPUH) treated none-muslims,how gentle he was to them read the story of udayi ibn haatim,he was a christian yet the prophet treated him nicely and gently and he converted because of that.people use to convert when they see how muslims behave, your way bro makes people hate. even Allah tells us to be gentle "Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way. Lo! Thy Lord is best aware of him who strayeth from His way, and He is Best Aware of those who go aright.†(An-Nahl: 125). when Allah sent prophet musa and haaruun to pharoah he said "Go, both of you, unto Pharaoh. Lo! he hath transgressed (the bounds). And speak unto him a gentle word, that peradventure he may heed or fear".(Taa-haa).

it is really funny how you accuse arabs being racist and calling other somalis useless,is it because they did not kill,rape,and destroy!!! :confused: . is it me or you a joking what the heck you mean the color of their skin SUDANESSE NORTH AND SOUTH ARE BLACK most somalis do not hate arabs and most people in this thread were against arab-bashing. but i realized those who hate them are mostly the ones who spend time in saudi-arabia,i have yet to see anyone somalis or non-somali who liked saudi arabia,some people fail to differentiate between saudi government and the other arabs, most people either do not believe or do not know that saudis treat egyptians,yeminis sudanesse same as somalis. so i do not think we hate them otherwise we would not care iraq,plastine.

it is natural the we get off topic because i do not see no topic,just racist comments by some people, if the poster really wanted to discuss the problem in darfur,he should have picked appropriate title.FYI northern sudanesse are blacks as well.

Originally posted by juba: i don't hate arabs og-girls don't make assumptions,infact i lived in the arab world for most of my childhood and now the facts fist hand. i am just trying to enlighten u about your best friends the arabs and history. it is quite a well nown fact that arabs were the fist enslavers of africans it is the most amazing thing that u as an african are not aware of it and more surprisingly try to defend them. Here are ur dates: 9th to 19th century, primarily before traders from europe arrived. There most common form of slavery were concubines. To further assure u, if u notice the black populations in the Khalege that lived as long as the arabs themselves; were do u think they came form??? just like the black populations in the USA. and do you know that as recently as 1950s there were slaves in somalia brought from zanzibar.

wow, some people really need to read before they hit the reply button,and take a lesson about islam before they preach :mad: . no one can deny importance of arabic, but i always wonder what is the point of preaching if people can not understand you, so it is good if imams can speak the language of the country they live in, but government should not appoint,maybe some independent muslim scholars because there should be some sort of control over imams,some people do not know much about the religion and they give advice.

do not believe everything you hear from the media. this is not arabs vs africans,because last time i checked sudanesse were blacks, this is tribal war. what is the difference between congo, sudan ivory cost etc.i am so sad what is happening in Darfur, and i hope the war will end,but let's not blame on arabs.

sure but i do not have the somali version, i have the english version, i get it as a gift, i do not even know if it is legal,but what the heck i can photocopy and send a copy of it. and if i am arrested, you better pay the bail . so let me know if you would like that. and the summary of the story is this:when cawrala did not hear from him, she send him letter, but he did not how to read, and his in-laws found out the love. he was sent another region during the war, he was badly wounded in the war ( war between darawish and british),also cawrala's family found too she was in love back then in somalia it was disgrace for a girl to fell in-love and her father forced her to marry the widower of her sister, she said a lot of poems, telling her father how important love is in a marriage, but she no one listened to her,on her wedding night she got very sick so her husband sent her home after her father promised him(geele) he will marry the younger sister, after cali recovered, he was on his way to xiis,but when he heard she was married he went back, her parents sent for cali and give them the permission to marry, but cawrala died before she saw him. and he died two years later.it is not exactly but the main points

^^^^ maybe this looks to you a joke, but not to everyone, i hope people will be serious when talking about something that is serious no wonder the quality of this forum is decreasing. hasna and saalim,instead of focusing on the state to do something,why do not you guys try to make somali community Aware, someone can go to them on the weekends and help them with the basics,or school work etc.

if the writer thinks ethiopia loves SL then he must be dreaming, Ethiopia supports SL because they do not want strong somalia, not because they care the welfare of people who live in hargaisa or berbera.

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: I disagree with that term. All humans are Ok but Muslims. So the proper term for such issues is The Muslim Rights Abuse, I believe. Yeah, if you look at the world today, you only find the Muslims are predominantly the majority that is highly oppressed and victimized. So, please don't copy-cat the western terms and use against us while having no idea the implications along such terms. [/QB] hasna's list is perfectly logic,i'm really sick people calling other people westernized or using western terms when they want to dismiss their argument, even though there was no argument just list of topics. and why only muslims? islam cares the well being of humanity in general. it would be interesting if we talk about muslim woman's rights, since a lot of muslim women are abused, because they do not know their religion and their rights.

Ali was not married when she fell in-love with him.when he left cawrala he promised her that he will come back to her, after they win the war( he was member of darawish)after he reached the head quarter he gave his report ( he was sent a mission to spy british army) he did such a great job one of the leaders of darawish asked him to marry his daughter, and as the somali custom was( i do not know if people follow this custom now) he could not say no, and he married the girl,when her father found out the love between him and cawrala, he was sent to region far away from xiis where cawrala lived.it is long story so let me stop here.

if you are somali does not mean you must be muslim,whether you like it or not there are somalis who are christian, and they have every right to live peaceful and practice their religion, because Allah gave them those rights, even Allah says in the qur'an "there is no compulsory in religion".

i do not think only 1% had come from good house, sometimes parents may raise their child very well,but they choose the wrong way after they grow up. take example prophet Nux(PPUH)and his son. its possible you do all that, but because they were not meant to be good muslims, they turn out to be murders,rappist etc. all i'm saying is you can not blame the parents all the time. but some good list eventhough it was directed to men but why fertile, i guess wife is more than a machine.

i do not understand why they need 45 ministers, all they need is 2,wasiirka kudaafada,and wasiirka burcada,that is the only thing we need right now. but did anyone get the irony,cumar finish wasiirka awqaafta what a joke.but i hope they will stop killing people

i think if i get it right "miyaah ghaasiyah" mean in english "carbonated water" but soft drink=non-alcahol, since somalida aysan cabin khmaro, umayan baahan inay kala soocaan. soft drink =cabitaan fudud, hadaa mid culus rabtana waa caano geel oo garoora,ma kastay.afsomaliga waxaa kharibaya dad aan afka si fiican u aqoon oo tarjumaya.laakiin waxaan ka yaabay awoowyaasheen marna kama ayan caban inay waxay rabaan ku cabiraan afsomali- so ceebta luuqada malahan ee waxaa leh jiilka cusub.

ogmoti, adaan soomaaliga aqoon, waxaan u malaynayaa hadii aad akhrin lahayd gabayada sida sayid max'ed cadbulle xasan, ismaaciil mire, cali dhuux, qamaan bulxan etc,waad ogaan lahayd afsomaliga inuu yahay luqad dhisan,oo dhamaystirin, so next time before you say your verdict just ask. btw soft drink=cabitaan fudud

it is not only somali kids,all immigrants' children are like that, with the exception of hisbanics maybe because they do not want to be unique, your cousin is not ashamed of speaking somali.she is just trying to fit in,she does not want to be different. to garab, dadka qaarkiis ma yaqaaniin sida loo qoro ama loo akhriyo somaliga,so what is the point inaan somaali ku qorno hadii 5% kaliya ay na fahmayaan. give people the benefit of the doubt.

i love "ignorance is the enemy of love" it is tragedy, cawrala's father forced her to marry the widower of her sister(dumaal),however she died the night of her wedding, before she sees calimaax. gabayadeedii badnaa intaa uun baan ka xasuustaa, haday cid hayso jirto please share with us caliyoow hadaan weel la culay caano kugu siiyo cishihiina aan sarar cusbo leh kugu cashaysiiyo waa caafimaad rage hadaan cagaha kuu duugo asaadan caloosha igu hayn caliyoow waa yeelkadaa.

salaam i think the question is valid,and i do not understand why some people are acting surprised,l. even though you can make it general not only puntland since it does not affect only them. whether we like it or not, let's face everyone is going back where their father or grandfather come from,because simply no one is ready to loose again. who can say what happened in 1990 will not happen again. i do not see people are changed at all and we have to accept this reality whether we agree with it or not, take example my father he was born and lived in mogadisho over 65 years, he never spent more than a week in the region his father came from, yet that was not enough to save his property, he left his home and took nothing with him.not even his clothes. i have seen that happened to my father. so now why would i make my father's mistake. who guarantess what happened to my father will not happen to me? why would i build new houses when i lost the ones that i already had. i lost the sense of security.so everyone should build their little village,that is good for somalia in the long run.

salam soon caveman will say women started the civil war and destroyed somalia .no one forced these men to wear tuxedo, it was their choice, or maybe it was the other way around, man wanted his bride to wear white gown, every marriage is unique. so instead of writting men vs female, how about if you write something that is balanced.these kind of posts never accomplish its purpose. it forces people to get defensive.

salaam i hope you are joking. i would say any man who does not want to marry a girl simply because she is eduacted has a low self-esteem, and i do not think any woman would like to marry such man,so good for us that they decided to try their luck somewhere else.so that does not bother me. what bothers me is how some of you are quick to generalize, and declare all somali women in the west has no religion, do you know all of them?let's be honest men how many somali girls do you know.even og-moti who lives in cambodia knows all about somali women in the west, how on earth does he know :confused: .

salam it is really amazing how some people are enjoying the war, why on earth would you put their pictures online, i'm sure if they were from your tribe you would not do that.

salaam i do not understand, what is new about that?!! women were doing that more than 1400 years.