i hope you are not serious,and if you're, it is really a shame,did you even read what you wrote?? it is not only hateful and full of ignorance,but also childish, what is your proof that children of somali and afro_american or whites are more likely to be criminal than somali. are you dreaming,who destroyed somalia??. if somali men are like you(full of hate) which thank God they are not,i would have advocated every somali girl to marry non-somali. as for the topic, how many somali women married to white men does the poster know? if someone decides to marry non-somali,the only people that have a right to talk about her choice are her parents.so to the poster do not worry what the rest of somali women like/do not like,just make sure you find what you're looking for.

Excuse me JB i did not force you into that path,but you were implying that men made women cover up, and all I and others did was to straighten you out,to inform you that Allah made those rules not faraxs,who cares what men think or their attitude. :confused:

Originally posted by Red sea: ASSALAMU CALAYKUM, Brother Castro I personally thank you for putting forth such questions. First to answer your question of whether one disagrees with the stated statement. My answer is that Holocaust only matters in my opinion to those who consider themselves Jews or those who are with the Jews. It doesn't and shouldn't in anyway shape or form be regarded as an sad event. I believe that Jews are historically hard headed people and still are, they probably done something wrong previously that led Hitler to go all out on them. They are trageressors who break the borders of Allah and any punishment that comes upon them is therefore well deserved. The Palestine of today as well as Iraq and Afghanistan are all worse than Holocaust, although the Holocuast had greater number of victims but they were not Muslims. One Muslim being killed wieghts more than the whole universe. A believer who has been murdered is worse mentioning than millions of non believers who try really hard to weaken Muslims. Finally, I just wanted to bring about that Jews have denied all the Prophets that were sent to them and even killed some of them, they turn their backs on Allah and apperantly haven't learned anything from Holocaust therefore anything that can be considered as "evil" by them is a result of their commited crimes and Allah is making them pay. In the hereafter, they will be the fuel of hell fire so woe to them for what they have earn. Salamu Calaykum. wait a minute, where in the quran or sunnah that islam condones act of genocide. six million people including children and innocent helpless people are killed,there is nothing in islam that justfies this. did not the prophet forbid killing children.women, or civillians, so where you get the idea that it is ok to kill jews.what is happening in palestine is wrong and what happened 50 years ago was wrong too. hitler was racist and he would have treated muslims worst than that. also as long as muslims are blaming their problems on other people we will never get anywhere. what happened taking responsibility of our actions. americans or isrealis would not be able to invade iraq or palestine if arab countries did not help them,so put the blame where it belongs to.

Originally posted by Socod_badne: It's not about what you should wear but whether you should be allotted like men the right to dress as you like. A right allotted to men but evidently not to women. i fail to understand how hijab protects men, i am sure we spent countless of posts and hours about the benefits of hijab, so now those who against the hijab should tell us why should not we wear it, and just FYI men also have their own dress code, i do not where you heard men can wear whatever they want, both men and women have their own guidelines to follow, and those guidelines are from the sunnah. also why are you assuming that muslim women(in the west) are forced to wear hijab,no one can force women to wear hijab in the west, yet majority of muslim women decide to wear it; even though it is easier not wear hijab than to wear it? true somali girl in somalia can not go outside without her hijab, but also somali men can not go outside with shorts, or earings, because those things go against our norms. but wait a minute why are you picking on what we can or can not do in somalia. you either do not know or do not want to confess that a great number of western women are also forced to wear 'sexy' outfits. also it really amazes me why non muslim men are worried how we dress. :confused: . also as muslims we are not suppose to go against the quran and sunnah, hijab is in the quran, Allah ordered muslim women to wear, the only thing that you can say as a muslim is i hear and obey

hijab is to protect women rather than men,if it was up to men to decide what women should wear,i am sure majority of them would want women to wear next to nothing so they can enjoy,but hijab gives women the dignity that some men want to take away. so instead of us(muslims) defending why we should cover up. tell me JB why should we wear revealing clothes? what is the benefit for us(women)?however you have a point some men believe that women should be responsible for whatever men do,it was only few days ago that someone was against women recording their voice because of fitna,or women riding bicycle,or driving,or working etc,but the question is:are those men following islam or culture,or do they have insecurities. why do we single out only muslim men while this attitude is shared by all eastern men regardless of their religion.

it is really sad on top of our problems we have to deal with Aids now. as long as people believe this is non-muslim disease we will never be able to prevent AIDS from spreading. there are no liberals in control now in somalia,so why blame them. the only thing that will stop Aids is to educate people.

maasha_Allah, it is always good news to hear someone found the right path, well what makes someone revert,i think it is because Allah guides them, and also some people question their religion and when it does not make sense they try to find one that does. only ignorants will doubt their intentions,because this religion is for human kind,so no one has the right to question them and let's remember campanions of the prophet were reverts who left their family, friends and country behind,and this religion spread because of them,so in that sense they can relate to them better than us. i think the reason most reverts are better muslims than those of us who are born as muslims are:they do not mix culture with religion,they chose this religion so they had the opportunity to question everything,i believe we do not get that chance,if you ask question some people will accuse you of being disbeliever. i think the best way to help him is to give him books that are written by reliable writters, i believe you already helped him,by discussing with him.

^^^^ that must be the joke of the year

i do not think anyone has a problem with your personal opinion or what you feel comfortable with,but you can not say something is unislamic and fail to produce proof and on top of that expect us to leave you alone ,next time you use religion make sure you have the hadith from reliable source,verse from the quran

wow,how did i missed this topic, it is funny simply the same argument is used by saudi sheikhs when they made their case of denying women to drive,they said women can not drive because it distracts men and causes fitna,so men have no control over their desire,so simple act such as riding a bike can ruin their religion,and leads them to hell :eek: . next time someone will say that eating in a public is unislamic because some men are turned on by the sight of woman eating. till someone brings sahih hadith or verse from the quran that clearly forbids biking,i intend to teach my daughter I'A how to ride,it is healthy and safes gas.

are you guys suggesting that men can not control their desire? so we need to protect those sick men and find excuses for them,instead of locking them up or executing them. both men and women should be able to control their desire,if they fail to do that,the only solution is: have them isolated from the society.also those men who are trying to find excuses for rapists,what are your execuses for men who rape women are covered from head to toe in muslim countries?

well i am not sure if you can eliminate arabic names and at the same time name your nephew good name,cause you are limiting yourself with few names,true name has nothing to do with religion, howeverlangauge of religion influences believers of that religion,btw names such as zakiria and yonis are not arabic names but names of prophets, anyway here are the names i can come up, (i hope you would not pick up your nephew a name he'll be uncomfortable with even if he goes back to somalia,cause every generation have their won name). btw why people are listing girl names,she wants boy name qowdhan qamaan samatar colaad bulxan guuleed kooshin keenadiid xayle fiidoow kulmiye guureeye samakaab sugule siidoow

it is really amazing that how many times we talked about the right of women to divorce,but somehow somewhere there is(are)man who can not understand it,and instead of asking sheikhs or scholars,they make their own conclusion based on their desire and say women have to accept her husband's choice regardless of what she thinks,and when women use their god given rights they are either accused of being westernized,or have no clue about their religion,no wonder majority of muslim society abuse women. i want to ask these men that while we(muslims) believe that Allah is just,how can men divorce his wife anytime,anywhere and whatever reason,but women can not have the same rights, pucca what are you basing your arguments that women cannot divorce her husband because of his second marriage. i suggest that you read the story of thabit ibn qays and his wife,which is first khul'a in islam. to answer the original question,i would not make him sign cause i would not like to live someone who does not want to live with me,plus why bother he has the right to four,i have the right not be among the four.

what was he accused of?

did you decided from her name to be somali.where you guys get the idea,that his wife is somali to start with :confused: :confused: there are more AA women named Aaliyah,Aziza,Zahra(btw her name is not even Zahra)than somali women.

as always well said rahima, i thought we were more educated about hymen,in dark ages hymen was believed to be evidence of verginity,but as people get more educated they found out that hymen is a thin, fleshy membrane and as other girls told you already,some people are born without it,and can be broken in many different ways including during pelvic exam. if someone does not want to use tampon,they better have other reasons other than they'll lose their virginity,cause simply you can not lose your V to tampon.

Masha_Allah mohamed, i just read your story, and it reminded the story of campanions(ra).i am sure you can relate to them more than those of us who are born into muslim families,because you went the same processes as them, and it is amazing your sister reverted too, but how did your family took your reversion. well, you know what rahiima,many sisters know their rights, and would like to get out these kind of marriages,but most of them stay for the sake of children,because they can not support them alone,so the question is: is knowing our rights enough??

Rahiima well done sis. i do not know why do we make things more complicated than they are. men have a right to marry 4,and women have a right not to be one them. let's be honest here most somali men abuse their rights,they do not go back home and marry widows,but rather they marry 20 year old girl,and i have yet to see our respected sheikhs questioning their actions,but when woman exercises her rights that Allah gave her, people question her faith. no wonder our countries are like this.

horn afrique, why do you have to associate what few people who claim to be muslims post on internet, there are 1.2billion muslims, are you responsible all of their actions? have you ever seen methodists coming out and apologizing for what timothy did in alabama? have you ever seen jews apologizing for what their extremists do?have you ever seen christians apologizing for any crimes that are committed on their name? the answer is no, so why on earth do some muslims act as if they are responsible for all the crimes committed by any muslim. :confused:

hadaad if you're serious and know where he is why do not you fly to him, and get even with him away from us? this is really childish as someone said before, shyhem asked a question about a model who is an adult, whether her brother is conservative or not is irrelevent, she is an adult, or you think women will always be underage and need guardian ? and you acted as the girl was naked or something and turned innocent thread into insulting thread :eek: . use your brain bro rather than your emotions.

what kind of advertisement is in this thread? he just designed a website and gave us an opportunity to see what is going on among somali communities in ohio, i am really glad he did, because otherwise i would not know it. btw what is up with tribe thing, wow, some people are really paranoid, can not people criticize a city without being accused :confused:

haddad i am not saying all men have controling problem, actually i said not all men have controlling problem,it is you who said men are going back because women back home are less independent. Fidel i am sure chinese and indian women do not have these problems, atleast those that are in the west, and whites, since they are the majority they have a better chance finding college educated man, but somalis they are only few thousands so we feel the impact more than other races. i think there is a solution, but we need to put time and money. since i was freshman in college i had this idea, i do not know if i will ever do it, but i really wish someone will do it. it is if educated somalis in each city have one organization, and each member of the organization adopts accedemically few somali kids who are in middle and high schools, helps them with homeworks, and shows them that they(students) can be successful bussiness people, teachers, doctors and lawyers etc. and when its time for college they(person who adopted them) will help them apply,and choose the right college then this kids will have other role models to follow other than their family members who are collecting welfare. problem with somali community is that their educated children do not want to give back to the community with the exception of few. Rudy, if you are white then maybe one day you can be Bill Gates and Micheal Dell, but if you're non-white and no college degree then no one will open the door for you, college degree opens the door.

wait a minute guys, i heard that you can call someone mother and father, as long as you do not take their names. i know a lot of people who call their uncles, aunts and grandmothers, or even stepmother, mom and dad. so are you saying these people can not call people who raised them mother and father? england girl, really it is not that comlicated if you know your mother's name, and clan, i do not think you should go to somalia at this moment,and definetly not mogadisho any time soon. just go to any mosque and they should be able to help you.

i think as a father you're right to be concerned fidel. but what are you doing about it, so that your little girls will not have to choose between somali guy who delivers pizzas or marrying outside of their race. i beg to difer haddad not all men are obsessesed with controling,i know a lot of men who are not insecure and are not afraid to marry 'sophisticated woman'. i do not know where you get the idea that women back home are not independent or less sophisticated. majority of the women in smalia do work, and they are more independent than those in the west, they do not put up a lot of things that women in the west do. if you think that somali man from the west can go back home and women there will treat him as si sayid, then you have not been in somalia lately, go there things have changed. i do not know wether women outnumber men or not in somali communities in the west, but i know for sure that both sides complain about not finding someone that they can understand. while i did not do any research, it seems obvious that more somali women go to college than men at least in my city. when i went to college there were 9 girls and two boys.it is really sad to see young men wasting their lives. as a single college graduate woman i did not go to college for 5 years so i can live in government housing, and bad neighborhood, so no i would not marry the guy who delivers pizzas,unless he is willing to go back to college,and i do not think a lot of women will settle with a guy who delivers pizzas.

well to me it looks nice and wonderful, i do not understand why do we have to be so negative all the time.maybe to some people it is small step,but everything starts small and grows, and whether colombus is bad,boring or not,that is where these people live. give them a break and say your congratulation with smile