so you have the exact number of casualties of the 1988 war? bring forth unbiased documents. as for the civilian deaths, if the snm didn't invade hargeysa and burca simultaneously sniping the military ,and killing anyone who is not their tribe, then as in any war , the army would respond to rout out the snm from the city, and thats what exactly happened. snm burned dozens of villages and killed their inhabitants in sool prior to the final showdawn, what say ye about these atrocities? iam not condoning for any civilian death, but the death of snm murdurers is justified. ninkastaba boogtiisaa u muuqata. i dont like to dwell on the civil war, but i do REJECT ,the "we are the VICTIMS" of the somali civil war. i do beleive innocent people suffered in that war, from either side of the trenches, and no certain ppl's lives are more sacred than the rest, because our people are humans as well. we will reach to a conclusion when you admit the guilt of your ilk.

so to speak of the truth is cuqdad? so propogandadiina ayaad doonaysaa in aad dhalinta isku tustaan inaad victims tihiin. you are rediculous wallaahi. ihave been very fair,and said once and again that the picture is fake and not admissible in any court in the usa as an evidence. iam saying bring solid evidence, and also bring the snm criminals that commited genocide in sool sanaag, burco berbera and hargeysa refugee camps. then we can heal together. you really are a hypocrit and this whole thread is part of the Traitorlanders's propoganda for the somali public opinion.

baashi, i wouldn't really mind if these ppl, brought forth their criminals that they call mujaahidiin, along with our criminals, and all are brought to justice, any courts deal with them. if the snm traitors and former somali army suspects are found guilty beyond reasonable doubt, then what ever the courts would rule is fair. but what infuriates me is the fact that they want to show their snm , hyena toothed treasonous murderers as mujaahidiin,and the opposing army as murdurers. start with siilaanyo and tuur, then we will give up gaani and morgan, and every snm murdurer should also be brought to justice, rather than making a mockery out of the word mujaahid. thats the only way justice can be served. as for their one sided justice, it will always be a failure. as for the picture, we should always be skeptical of one sided info, because a picture can easily be manipulated nowadays. if you guys have prove beyond reasonable doubt that tuke killed innocent ppl, then i think he should be brought to justice along with one of the snm colonels . this is justice not your onesided the reason iam so mad is that i lost innocent relatives to the snm, and this argument is personal to me. selective justice will never bear any fruit. justice :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

honestly , i couldn't see the picture clearly, but its very suspicous as lefty said. as for atrocities, gediid, i said, if the alleged burning occured, and the man was innocent, then tuke should pay for it, but if the man was an snm blood sucking traitor, then the alleged burning is the proper punishment. i mean, our lives have the same values as your lives. the government killed civilians not intentionally, as you guys claim, but did use heavy weaponary, when the snm intentionally used them as sheilds. i do regret any civilians dying as a result of the former government shelling of the civilian populated area, but i do condone their effort to exterminate the SNM, who commited a genocide against refugees,and innocent people because they were siyad barre's tribe. so seperate the issues. why is this picture wasn't shown as evidence when the remnants of the snm in canada were lodging complains against tuke? i do believe this picture is a fabrication made for political gains for traitorland. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

i dont see anything from the picture, but do you for certain now what the traitor man that was burned did? its like footage ofthe south vietnamese colonel executing a man in saigon during the vietnam war. american ppl were outraged at the time, but they didn't ask why. the man was a viet cong sniper , who had a lot of blood on his hand. tuke was a noble man , doing his duties, which was to wipe out the ethio-snm traitors from the face of the earth. if he killed any non- combatants, and courts prove that they were non combatants, then he should go to jail, but if he killed an snm traitor, then i support him wholeheartedly. my uncle, a livestock trader and he was brutally murdered by the snm traitors in 1987. you never see mee crying like the jews ,but i, like many other relatives of the victims of the snm traitors go on . give me a break, what snm did to the innocent refugees, and the helpless reerbaadiye is a genocide that the northerners want to hide with tear fake tears. save me the crocodile tears ppl. :mad: :mad: :mad: as for independance, it WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

Gediid, who could have an election? i wholeheartedly support any municipal elections in any part of somalia, but when the inhabitants of waqooyi galbeed , and togdheer(except buuhoodle) claim that the former british somaliland is theirs, i think its farsical dillussion. i mean even as aim writting right now, the majority of the inhabitants of sool, sanaag, and hawd are not buying this so called elections, and puntland government issued a statement that said there will be no elections in majority of sool , sanaag and hawd. we reject the illegal claim of one tribe over the former british protectrate, and its as simple as that. so what you call an election is what i call a power struggle between the major clans of togdheer and waqooyi galbeed. anyways this topic should be deleted from the SOMALIAONLINE, because its very devisive and would create more anymosity than good

iam appauled at the idea of this blood sucking leach entertaining himself with the idea of ever becoming a somali president. cabdiraxmaan buluqbuluq, was the man ,along with axmed sheikh cusmaan siphoned the treasury of the somali ppl. he is an irredeemable individual, who can't be trusted in an administrative office. i prefer muuse suudi yalaxow to this demon.

Originally posted by Ladiif: [QB] There is no such thing as Somali Galbeed, It is OGADENIA....this s.galbeed thing was coined by Siyaad Barre (R. Allah) and his administration. QUOTE] even though the single major tribe in the region is ogadens, yet the rest of the somali galbeed ppl, belonging to all the major somali clans disagree with the name. having said that , its also devisive and doesn't serve any uniting purpose. lets not indulge in tribalistic cheap talk, and forget the struggle of the martrys that fought valiantly for the land. the land is somali galbeed, and the inhabitants are SOMALIS of all ethnic backgrounds. i hope you change your "ogadenia" diatribe

the kind of cheap talk and incohesive, ill-informed have thoughts that ladiif wrote makes me outraged wallaahi. :mad: . there are thousands of somalis across clan lines fought and died in the somali galbeed war of 1977. the sacrifice , the suffering was enormous, and the reason we failed was because of the soviet, east germans, the yemenis(cadamis) and 26000 cuban soldiers helped the ethio side. we didn't get any notable support from anyone. please , try to understand the western somalia dillema ,not from the prism of tribal affliation, but in the light of the SOMALI ppl. your kinds make me very very angry, which i don't want to be at this trying time for the muslims, especially in iraq. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

as the batle for Baghdad begins, after only fourteen days, and about a hundred casualties from the invaders, Baghdad is falling rapidly,and humiliatingly. like any muslim, i feel defeated betrayed by the arab neighbors and overwhelmed by an infinite evil power. i willnot give up hope for the almighty, but once again, its the foriegn gaalo forces will rule over a great islamic city. how do you feel?

Gediid, dem louzy europeans are real qaxootis, while we live in the land of the free and HOME of the braves my other explanation is since dem somalis in europe take welfare from different european countries , they are forced to learn their language. on the other hand , here in good old US of A, WE are the warehouse people, working OT to buy that camry and dem gucci watches

Thanks to the Nomads that contributed to this thread and enlightened us about the existance of this lightweit koronet. i hope the ciraqis have plenty of these, to use them especially in baqdaad firefight insha allah.

it amazes me that nowadays, the RPG is the key weapon of choice for the iraqi fighters. RPG, as you all know stands for rocket propelled grenades aka baazuka. the iraqis are using RPG 7 which is a soviet made model. i doubt if the soveits provided their latest models tothe iraqis, nevertheless, the RPGs have proved effective in destroying bradleys, and humvee and other vehicles, but failed to destroy the Abrams tanks, which are heavily armored. my question to the Nomad Metalurgical engineers, is how could the RPG rounds made highly xblosive and armor peircing? any ideas.

As the bombs are falling over the innocent civilians in iraq, some of us are indulging in our worldly conversations and thoughts. if every Nomad in this Nomad gathering site recites ten times surat al samad(qulhuwala) for the iraqi bro and sisters, it would help tremendously. lets reflect and make duca for our true brothers who are conquered by the :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

SO libaax, if you were a commander in the republican guard , then you would have kissed the boot of the marines and given up the fight? don't be so easily misled by the propaganda machine. i watched al jazeera refuting claims of the infidels of the capture of umm al qasra, faw peninsula, and mowsil. in each city an aljazeera reporter was there . the allies also claimed to have captured the commander of the 51st mechanized division of iraqi army, four days later , he was interviewed by aljazeera and he said he was still fighting the allies. aljazeera reporters were in basra and said there were no uprising whatso ever. victory is certain for the allies, but the price they and the iraqi ppl will pay is far from certain. please watch aljazeera or other independant channels, rather than nbc and fox, who don't even show the civilian casualties of the aggresion. and CERTAINLY THE WAR AGAINST THE GAALOOS WILL NEVER BE OVER. XASSAN NASRALLAH IS OUT

it buffles me that the youngesters, who are mainly females are not socially conscious a bit! these racist and gay baffoons you are so proudly and fondly adverstising their names HAVE and WILL NEVER reciprocate your love for them. while its half of the Deen to be clean, its also very important to be aware of falling into consumerism trap. as a struggling people, from a struggling nation, we need not be buying dozens of brand name perfumes that cost $70 a piece, while a buck will feed a relative or a poor individual back home. Maya Angelou had a poem regarding the black people's fondness of "consumption". Modesty is the rational approach in here!

THE ONE and the ONLY ONE MAN SHOW! , thats if you know that brand!

jawaahir afkaaga mac lagu qabay(ama caano ). Xassan Nasrallah is the leader of xizbullah, in Lebanon. the only successfull arab muslims to have kicked out maraykanka and yuhuuda from lebanon. they are very brave, and daring. aside from their military successes, they are also extemely fluid and very innovative social movement. they have successfully rebuilt thier part of lebanon, and run the most succesfull health, education and other civil institutions. Nasra- as jawaahir said, it means victory, and i chose it ,because there is no other slamic leader like this young brave man. jawaahir no offense sis

Knowledge enables you to utilize your brains to create the ideas that make money. so knowledge is the prerequisite to money(real money).

Dear Kool Cat, the adage is "dawlad la'aan , dowlad xun baa dhaanta". if there was some kind of government, the school children wouldn't have been murdered in mogadishu in the daylight. anyways, lets not be cynical and give up on Allah's mercy. just keep in mind this verse from surat yusuf verse 87 "and never give up hope of Allah.s Soothing Mercy: truly no one despairs of Allah.s Soothing Mercy, except those who have no faith." lets be practical nomads. school , savings and ambitions and alla bari!!!!!!!!

I think its very difficult to consume it here it the usa in public(especially at work). but it woudn't be a bad idea the rest of the world embraces it as their drink of choice. THE BRO who named himself after the devil(shaytan). i urge you to consider changing it. since Allah's wrath is upon shaytan. please choose a different name that doesnt go beyond the boundries of our slamic faith. thanks in advance

Sheekh Xassan Nasrullah: Weerar uu Maraykanku hor kacayo oo lagu qaado Ciraaq wuxuu ugu dambayn keenayaa burburka Yuhuuda iyo awooda Maraykanku ku haysto gobolka oo dhamaata..13/3/03 Posted on Thursday, March 13 @ 10:33:21 GMT Topic: Hogaamiyaha ururka Xisbulaah ee Lubnaan shekh Xassan Nasrallah ayaa isagoo u khudbadaynaya taageerayaashiisa u sheegay in weerarkan uu maraykanku la damacsan yahay Ciraaq uu aakhirka keenayo in awooda maraykanka ee bariga dhexe ay burburto isla markaana dowladda yuhuuda la jebin doono. Sheekh Nasrallaah isagoo la hadlaya taakeerayaashiisa wuxuu ku yidhi " Waa suurta gal in maraykanku uu rido dowladdaas iyo kuwa kalaba laakiin waxaa suurta gal ah in ay tahay mid aakhirka wanaag ugu jiro dadka muslimiinta ah. Weerarka Maraykan wuuu toosinayaa muslimiinta si aan horey loo arag, waxaa kici doono dhalinyarada , waxaa bilaabmi doona jihaad, waxaana dhalan doona kacdoomo, ka dibna dagaalkii dhabta ahaa ee lala gelayay maraykanka iyo xulafadiisa ayaa imanaya " ayuu yidhi sheekhu. Inkastoo uu jiro khilaaf iyo kala daadsanaan ay hayso aduunweynaha carabta iyo muslimka haddana waxaan hadda madaxa la gelaynaa dhamaadkii khilaafaadkaas waxaanan ka takhalusi doonaa jiritaanka Yuhuuda iyo awooda Maraykanku ku haysto gobolkan ee uu ku dhuuqayo khayraadkiisa ayuu yidhi sheekhu. Ururkan xisbullaalhi oo ah ururu shiica ah isla markaana ku qasbay in yuhuudu ka baxdo Lubnaan ayaa dagaal joogta ah ku haya Yuhuuda.

Sorry to burst your buble ,but T.O is not that of a great city at all. No jobs, and the cost of living is sky high. there is no place like the good old U.S of A. Thats where the money is sister. as for T.O maybe single moms would do good,since it has good schools and are deemed to be safe compared to the states.!!

Well to be frank, you would think that they wave flags because of patriotism? I do beleive that they seek solace in their flags. the will of "man" no matter how ill-equiped , no matter how weak, can crush the Ego of the giants, like a bea-nut. ppl are so taken by the fact that how could they deal with ppl that are not afraid of the ultimate punishment-death. its these things and the images of the dabaqyada that makes ppl search their souls and find a little safety in thier cloth+colour flags. comrade don't do sixty , do 85-90 to scape those big trucks! with a small car, that should be easy !!!

baashi, brathar yaa ku dhahay company stock ku wada investi garee waxaad aduun xilo iyo xoola lahayd! well, you can use a variety of bonds, company stock, mutual funds, money market. so unlike enron employees who were all invested in enron company stocks, you would be invested in fixed income securities , annuities and some stocks. koolkaat, you are right , finishing school is NUMERO UNO!!