I asked for Strength And Allah gave me Difficulties to make me strong. I asked for Wisdom And Allah gave me Problems to solve. I asked for Prosperity And Allah gave me Brain and Brawn to work. I asked for Courage And Allah gave me Danger to overcome. I asked for Love And Allah gave me Troubled people to help. I asked for Favours And Allah gave me Opportunities. I received nothing I wanted I received everything I needed! (((this writting is very inspiring, i apologize couldnt find the author, but it is very interesting. masha allah)))

Originally posted by ThePoint: quote:Originally posted by Asxabul_kahf: First all brother or sister' I dont know what to say about your last comment- because if i tell you to fear allah- are you saying i am not daacad? are you saying no one will take me serious untill i loose the righteous tone? how should i talk like- use words that are full of nifaaq- by the way this is just to warn all people ' us included. Everyone is painted with a black brush- guilty before innocence with words like this. pur·port·ed -Assumed to be such; supposed: the purported author of the story. Supposed: Presumed to be true or real without conclusive evidence. Allegedly-Represented as existing or as being as described but not so proved; supposed. Depending on the context - when someone says 'fear allah' - the implication is that those to whom they say that don't fear allah. That is a self righteous tone - do not assume that people don't fear allah. Purported, supposed, allegedly are all words indicative of some doubt as to the facts. Thus they simply cannot be as you put 'painted with a black brush' nor are they 'guilty before innocence' since, again, these are words indicative of doubt! :eek: I told you earlier to fear allah- wether you are doing wrong or not' because it is always benefitial to the beleivers to be conscious of their creator. Second it is easy to get lost in arguments and political views so it is a wake up call to bring us back to being sane. I am sure you already know bro/sis that also our deen doesnt permit us to say something we are doubtfull about or that can create doubt in others. But other than that i thank you for being decent and understanding- Unlike some who scratch with mere low jabs. Naxarey stop the insults if you are capable of being decent!

First all brother or sister' I dont know what to say about your last comment- because if i tell you to fear allah- are you saying i am not daacad? are you saying no one will take me serious untill i loose the righteous tone? how should i talk like- use words that are full of nifaaq- by the way this is just to warn all people ' us included. Everyone is painted with a black brush- guilty before innocence with words like this. pur·port·ed -Assumed to be such; supposed: the purported author of the story. Supposed: Presumed to be true or real without conclusive evidence. Allegedly-Represented as existing or as being as described but not so proved; supposed.

Who said the UIC arent dealing with bigger issues. What do you call the peace process in khartoum? What do you call setting up the safety of the city and maxaakims? What do you call cleaning up and opening the ports and airports? People lets stop the nac nac and talk real...this is a city that was HOPE-LESS dictated by warlords and people paying ISBAARO all day. No one is giving the maxaakim their probs that they got rid of those blood hungry warlords that was stabbing somalia over and over again. No one is talking about how they got rid of the isbaaro' and ensure safety for common people to do their business Everyone is criticing them for stoping indecency and immoral stuff. And if one person from the maxaakim ( who are ordinary people living in the city) tries to stop someone from doing something bad it is the MAXAAKIM doing taliban style regime! GUILTY BEFORE INNOCENCE - it is clear everyone was pointing a finger at them before they even got a chance to proof themselves. I Think 15 years of hate has dried up our heart! please ask allah forgiveness.

so called wadaads. so much name calling here that you wonder' are we all muslims? do you like eating the flesh of your brother? or maybe we talking politicals and everything became permissable! subhanalah- fear allah people. that is all i am gonna say before the reality comes.

BROTHERS AND SISTERS...FEAR ALLAH...and stop getting your vision distorted by cruelty tribalism and all the other filth driving people to nifaaq. Look how our brothers and sisters are working hard to do good and bring peace to our home. give them their due probs and respect. support them and if you cant at least say something good or be quite. May allah give them complete victory over all the shayatin!. ------------------------------------------------ Ololaha Nadaafada Gobolka Banaadir oo si rasmi ah uga bilowday qeybo ka mid ah magaalada Muqdisho.(daawo sawirada) Posted to the Web Jul 20, 15:31 Muqdisho:-Guddiga Nadaafada gobolka Banaadir ayaa maanta si rasmi ah hawlo nadaafadeed uga bilaabay magaalada Muqdisho, taasi oo qeyb ka ah qorshe golaha maxaakimta islaamiga ay ugu tala galeen in lagu soo celiyo bilic samida magaalada Muqdisho. Guddigan oo maalintii isniintii guddoomiyaha golaha maxaakimta islaamiga uu kaga dhawaaqay magaalada Muqdisho ayaa hawlahooda nadaafada ka bilaabay goobo ay ka mid yihiin garoonka diyaaradaha, fagaaraha Taribuunka iyo goobo kale oo istiraatiiji ah, ayada oo ololahan ay ka qeyb qaadanayaan ururada bulshada rayidka ah, maamulka degmooyinka iyo dadweyne aad u fara badan. Boqolaal qof oo u badan hablo ayaa maanta si weyn uga qeyb qaatay olalaha nadaafada ee lagu soo celinayo bilic samida magaalada Muqdisho, waxaana maanta buuxiyay inta u dhaxeysa warshada caanaha ilaa isgoyska Taribuunka dadweyne ka qeyb qaadanaya hawlaha nadaafada. Guddoomiyaha golaha samafalka iyo horumarinta Soomaaliyeed Sheekh Axmed Maxamed Suleyman oo xubin ka ah guddiga nadaafada gobolka Banaadir ayaa sheegay in hawlaha nadaafada si dar dar leh ay ku bilowdeen, waxa uuna ka codsaday shacabka ku dhaqan magaalada Muqdihso in aysan u kala harin ololahan lagu soo celinayo bilic samidii luntay ee magaalada Muqdisho. Wadooyinka waa weyn ee magaalada Muqdisho ayaa waxaa lagu arkayaa gawaari lagu soo xiray cod baahiyayaal, kuwaasi oo la socodsiinaya dadka ku dhaqan magaalada Muqdisho in uu bilowday ololihii nadaafada gobolka Banaadir. Golaha maxaakimta islaamiga Soomaaliyeed oo la wareegay gacan ku haynta magaalada Muqdisho ayaa muujiyay sida ay uga go’antahay soo celintii bilicsamadii lagu yaqiinay magaalada Muqdisho, waxa ayna ku dhaqaaqeen furista wadooyinkii dagaalada sukeeye ku xirmay iyo olole lagu nadiifinayo magaalada ayada oo arrintaasina loo xil saaray guddi ka kooban 5 xubnood oo kala shaqeyn doona maamulka gobolka iyo qeybaha kala duwan ee bulshada soo celinta bilicda magaalada. Halgan.net C/Qaadir Osman Muqdisho SOURCE

I would tell this "me" person..ku hadal afka soomaaliga horta hore' i can scream Westernization anytime you speak english - but that would be on my part nonsense!

^^^^^ Waxaad ku hadleysid ma soomaali baa? Mise waad jeclaan laheyd hadii la dhihi lahaa iskuulada oo idil ingiriis bay ku hadlaanoo waxaa la keenay in habrihii loo bilaabo ESL. ilaahay ka cabsada' oo waxaan nigama aha soomaali jaceyl oo waa diin naceyb. ingriiska waad jeceshihiin inaad ku hadashaan...laakiin maalintii carabi la soo hadal qaado waa is gaduudinaysaan. ala munaafaqsanaa! war hooy i dhageyso' diinta islaamka ilaahay ayaa u doortay in ay af carabi ku soo dagto' carabiga waa uun af ka mid ah ilaahay afafka uu dadka baray' soomali ilaahaa naga dhigay ayagana carab ka dhigay. Af walba ilaahaa leh hadaad wax garad tahay. Ee joojiya quraafaadkaa dadka aad ku shubeysaan. Hadaad af shisheeya ka soo hor jeedaan maad ingiriiska iska deysaan???? So stop the nonsense and twisting of words and ideas' and fear allah. Making someone guilty before they get their chance to show their innocence that is how the kafiroon/munaafiquun are known for. May allah guide all those who are lost! I am innocent so prove me guilty....

Salaam with respect- I wish not to engage in any debate' for the simple reason that so many earlier ones have steered the wrong way and I only pointed out to you the previous ayah and comment to start you on the thinking process and research. Also wish to share the adab of debates said by our earlier scholars for all others who are viewing this. “A debate is only justified to unveil truth, so that the more knowledgeable should impart knowledge to the less knowledgeable, and to stimulate a weaker intellect.†- adh-Dhahabi “I never talked with someone but sincerely wished that Allah guard him, protect him from sin and misdeed, and guide him; and I never debated with someone but sincerely wished that we would come upon truth, regardless of whether he or I should be the one to think of it first.†- Imam al-Shafi`i “Cooperation in seeking truth is inherent to religion, but sincerity in the pursuit of truth can be distinguished y certain conditions and signs. A diligent seeker of truth may be compared to one who is looking for his lost camel. It would be immaterial for him if he or another person should be the one to find it. Likewise, a sincere truth-seeker would perceive his partner as a helper rather than an adversary, and would be grateful to him if he should guide him to truth.†- Al-Ghazali “If quoting, maintain accuracy; if claiming, provide proof.†[An aphorism of Muslim scholars] “Some scholars used to excuse anyone who disagrees with them in debatable matters, and did not insist that he should accept their view. - Ibn Qudama [Al-Mughni] “My viewpoint is right, but can be wrong; and my adversary’s viewpoint is wrong, but can be right.†[An aphorism of Muslim scholars] “I have never debated with a knowledgeable person but beaten him, and I have never debated with an ignorant person but been beaten by him.†- Imam al-Shafi`i “Let each one of the debaters accept statements of the other party supported with proof. By doing that, he would demonstrate a nobility and self-respect, and he would prove himself to be an acceptor of truth.†- Ibn Akeel “Over-enthusiasm is a mark of corrupted scholars, even when the case they are defending is true. By showing excessive enthusiasm for truth and their contempt of their opponents, the latter would be stimulated to retaliate and react in the same manner. They would be driven to stand for falsehood and to be true to the label attributed to them…If the champions of truth had spoken kindly to them avoiding publicity and humiliation they would have succeeded in winning them over. But as it is, a person who enjoys a place of prestige is strongly inclined to preserve his position by attracting followers, and the only way to that is to boast and to attack or curse adversaries.†- Al-Ghazali “I never debate with someone and he accepts my proof except that I hold him in high esteem, and I never debate with someone and he refuses my proof except that I lose all esteem for him.†- Imam al-Shafi`i “If you sit with scholars, my son, be more interested in listening than in speaking. Learn good listening just as you learn good speaking. Never interrupt a speaker, even if he takes long, until he comes to an end.†-Advice of Al-Hasan ibn Ali (radhiallahu `anhu) to his son. “Learn good listening just as you learn good speaking. To be a good listener, you should give a speaker time until he concludes, not seeming anxious to reply. Have your face and look in the direction of the speaker and try to understand what he says.†- Ibn al-Muqaffa`

Didn't you see the tens of people on TV arguing against every point you present in a debate against the other side’s cause and reason...they are always right and justified. This side argues that they are simply doing this to better matters, they are trying to bring about peace, When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" however, I think at the end of the day we, as humans, all need and desire the same things, rights and all, regardless of our affiliation and the color of the uniform we are wearing.... May peace prevail in all the LANDS. [/QB] As long as there is Kufr and iman - they nulify each other like light and darkness. explanation of kufr The Qu'ran uses the word Kufr to denote people who cover up or hide realities. The Qu'ran uses this word to identify those who denied Allah's favors by not accepting His Dominion and Authority. Kufr thus is an antonym for Iman or disbelief in Allah and a Kafir is a non-believer. This type of Kufr is called AL-KUFRUL AKBAR or major kufr. There are many types of Al-Kufrul Akbar 1. Kufrul-'Inaad: Disbelief out of stubborness. This applies to someone who knows the truth and admits to knowing the truth and admits to knowing it with his tongue, but refuses to accept it and refrains from making a declaration. Allah(swt) says: Throw into Hell every stubborn disbeliever [surah Qaaf (50), Ayah 24] 2. Kufrul-Inkaar: Disbelief out of denial. This applies to someone who denies with both heart and tongue. Allah(swt) says: They recognize the favors of Allah, yet they deny them. Most of them are disbelievers. [surah Nahl(16), Ayah 83] 3. Kufrul-Kibr: Disbelief out of arrogance and pride. The disbelief by the devils (Iblis) is an example of this type of Kufr. 4. Kufrul-Juhood: Disbebelief out of rejection. This applies to someone who aknowledges the truth in his heart, but rejects it with his tongue. This types of kufr is applicable to those who calls themselves Muslims but who reject any necessary and accepted norms of Islam such as Salaat and Zakat. Allah (swt) says: They denied them (OUR SIGNS) even though their hearts believed in them , out of spite and arrogance. [surah Naml(27), Ayah 14] 5. Kufrul-Nifaaq: Disbelief out of hypocrisy.This applies to someone who pretends to be a believer but conceals his disbelief. Such a person is called a MUNAFIQ or hypocrite. Allah( swt) says: Verily the hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of Hell. You will find no one to help them. [surah An Nisaa (4), Ayah 145] 6. Kufrul-Istihaal: Disbelief out of trying to make HARAM into HALAL. This applies to someone who accepts as lawful (Halal) that which Allah has made unlawful(Haram) like alcohol or adultery.Only Allah(swt) has the prerogative to make things Halal and Haram and those who seek to interfere with His right are like rivals to Him and therefore fall outside the boundries of faith. 7. Kufrul-Kurh: Disbelief out of detesting any of Allah's(swt) commands. Allah(swt) says: Perdition (destruction) has been consigned to those who disbelieve and He will render their actions void. This is because they are averse to that which Allah has revealed so He has made their actions fruitless. [surah Muhammed (47), Ayah 8-9] 8. Kufrul-Istihzaha: Disbelief due to mockery and derision. Allah (swt) says: Say: Was it at Allah, His signs and His apostles that you were mocking? Make no excuses. You have disbelieved after you have believed. [surah Taubah (9), ayah 65-66] 9. Kufrul-I'raadh: Disbelief due to avoidance. This applies to those who turn away and avoid the truth. Allah(swt) says: And who is more unjust than he who is reminded of his Lord's signs but then turns away from them. Then he forgets what he has sent forward (for the Day of Judgement) [surah Kahf(18), Ayah 57] 10. Kufrul-Istibdaal: Disbelief because of trying to substitute Allah's Laws. This could take the form of: (a) Rejection of Allah's law(Shariah) without denying it (b) Denial of Allah's law and therefore rejecting it, or © Substituting Allah's laws with man-made laws. Allah (swt) says: Or have they partners with Allah who have instituted for them a religion which Allah has not allowed. [surah Shuraa(42), Ayah 8] Allah(swt) says: Say not concerning that which your tongues put forth falsely (that) is lawful and this is forbidden so as to invent a lie against Allah. Verily, those who invent a lie against Allah will never prosper. [surah Nahl (16), Ayah 116]

Sometimes when i see the munaafaqnimada of some people out here, it is just how allah described it in the quran. Calling the deen backward, calling the islam -arabism (how idiotic' do you know the original culture of the arabs before islam-" If you are not adhering to the quran and sunnah please dont criticize it' but then again that is what the quran says that you would do. "samicnaa wa adacnaa" to the ayats in the quran and the hadith of the prophet s.c.w...i guess you call it blind following' well go ahead and follow your hawaa' and we will see where it gets you. Some people act like intelectuals but they dont use their brain and critically ask themselves what they are doing, they always try to defend their desires and temptations. I call intelectual some one who is using their brain someone who knows his limits and that allah is who teaches man what he did not know. It is not your brain or others that actually contain real ilm, you seek ilm by the one source that tought everyone and that is allah' so go back to the quran before you open up another karl marx book. Education is fine' but when the wrong type of filth is tought to the ignorant (The one who doesnt know allah/quran) it becomes deadly in this life and the here after. may allah guide us in the st8 path the path of those who took the siratul mustaqiin. the nabiyeen' sidiqeen' shuhadaa wa salixiin. amin.

Originally posted by Pi: Asxabul Kahf, I don't think anyone needs to be lectured or preached to, so if ya dont mind, I have an idea for ya'll. Instead of preaching about how haram or evil music is (every muslim knows the controversy and contention over music according to the scholars), you and your two cave buddies (Khalaf and Didi) should check up on your dog. I'm pretty sure he's feelin lonely in that cave. "O you who believe! Avoid much suspicion, in deeds some suspicions are sins. And spy not neither backbite one another. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting). And fear Allah, verily, Allah is The One Who accepts repentance, Most Merciful" (Qur'an 49: 12) Abu Hurayrah (May Allah be pleased with him) narrated that Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said: "Do you know what backbiting is?†They said, “Allah and His Messenger know best.†He then said, “It is to say something about your brother that he would dislike.†Someone asked him, “But what if what I say is true?†The Messenger of Allah said, “If what you say about him is true, you are backbiting him, but if it is not true then you have slandered him." Please lets refrain from calling each other names ( i dont want to start lecturing on the rights muslims have on one another) We are brothers in islam.I wish peace on you brother. I apologize if i have annoyed you, I was simply giving everyone naseeha. May allah guide us all amiin.

^ dont worry as long as u know, i will let u have the last word

^ I am sorry if i didnt make the usual "opinions" that you are use to.

^ Ok I see you want to argue I think you know the answer' if you dont. here it goes. NO IT IS NOT OK. monkey music, somali music, hindi music, arab music..whatever music! “And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…†[Luqmaan 31:6] “[Allaah said to Iblees:] And befool them gradually those whom you can among them with your voice (i.e. songs, music, and any other call for Allaah’s disobedience)…†[al-Israa’ 17:64] The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…†(Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 91). Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This is a saheeh hadeeth narrated by al-Bukhaari in his Saheeh, where he quoted it as evidence and stated that it is mu’allaq and majzoom. He said: Chapter on what was narrated concerning those who permit alcohol and call it by another name. This hadeeth indicates in two ways that musical instruments and enjoyment of listening to music are haraam. The first is the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “[they] permit†which clearly indicates that the things mentioned, including musical instruments, are haraam according to sharee’ah, but those people will permit them. The second is the fact that musical instruments are mentioned alongside things which are definitely known to be haraam, i.e., zinaa and alcohol: if they (musical instruments) were not haraam, why would they be mentioned alongside these things? (adapted from al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 1/140-141) Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This hadeeth indicates that ma’aazif are haraam, and ma’aazif means musical instruments according to the scholars of (Arabic) language. This word includes all such instruments. (al-Majmoo’, 11/535). Yaa akh' lets all make tawbah and follow the sunnah of the prophet s.c.w. IS THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND????

^^ finaly some people that make sense. It is not about hating anyone, It is about glorifying someone who took a different path than the prophet s.c.w. How can you justify that? How can u face allah in qiyamah, when you praised monkey music in this life? where is our pride and dignity to shoot down munkar! Or does our loyalty to our qabiil or friends supercede our loyalty to the sunnah? What i think we should do is advice our muslim brother to make tawbah and take the way of the prophet s.c.w. Tell him to Worship allah before death comes knocking at his door. That is what i call supporting him and helping him. But if you keep encouraging him to make more monkey music and scream in kafir gatherings, you are just moving him closer to the hellfire (wal cayadu bilah) O Muslims u need to open ur eyes and wake up.Make tawbah to allah subhana watacalaa and come back to ur dignity and pride. It is clear that we are hypnotized or intoxicated with this new type of KUFR. We are looking for a voice among the kafirs and Izza is only with allah, the rasul, the muminooon and allah said, the munafiquun will never understand!

Salama aleyku This is how the lectures go Friday: Topics (PLEASE INVITE NON-MUSLIMS) WHO: Sheikh Khalid yasin :MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM TIME: 5:15PM - 7:45PM PLACE: Minneapolis college (MCTC 1501 Hennepin Ave Mpls T building Admission $10 Saturday: Topics WHO: Sheikh Khalid yasin: COMMUNITY RESPONSIBILITY Sheikh Abdirahman : Purification of Faith Sheikh Hamdy al-sawaf: challenges facing muslim families. TIME: 2:00PM-7:00PM PLACE: Minneapolis convention center 2nd & 12th ave south Hall 206 A,B,C Admission $10 Sunday: Topics WHO: Sheik Khalid yasin:STICKING TO THE ROOTS OF ISLAM Sheikh Hatem alhagy: Future belongs to Islam Sheikh Abdurahman : The unity of islamic Ummah. TIME: 2:00PM- 7:00PM PLACE: Zuhrah shrine Park ave & 26th ave south, mpls Admission $10

About Shaykh Khalid Yasin short cut biography: Shaykh Khalid Yasin, a former Christian, is the Executive Director of the Islamic Teaching Institute (ITI); a premier organisation dedicated to the work of Dawah. He has studied the Arabic language in Madina, Saudi Arabia and Cairo, Egypt and has had many mentors and teachers who tutored him in Fiqh us-Sunnah, Fiqh us-Seerah, Islamic History and the memorisation and recitation of the Holy Qur'an. In the past ten years, the ITI has delivered more than 5000 persons to Islam and an additional 1,476 since the September 11 Attacks. Shaykh Khalid Yasin delivered a lecture in Saudi Arabia in 1994 titled "The Purpose of Life", which resulted in 43 persons accepting Islam on that very night. Khalid Yasin constantly tours the world delivering lectures aimed at removing distortions about Islam and Muslims, conducting Dawah Training Courses, and providing new Muslims with a specially designed Islamic Training Program. Khalid Yasin is committed to raising the consciousness of the Muslims to fulfil the responsibility of Dawah and the establishment of Islamic revival, Insha'Allah

Friday: Minneapolis convention center 2nd & 12th ave south Hall 206 A,B,C Admission $10 Saturday: Minneapolis college (MCTC 1501 Hennepin Ave Mpls T building Admission $10 Sunday: Zuhrah shrine Park ave & 26th ave south, mpls Admission $10 That is an interview he once did.... sheikh khalid yasin at a radio station.. Transcript of Sheikh Khalid Yasin John Cleary: Right now we’re going to introduce you to someone who, well perhaps is giving a message that many people would be alarmed that is being put about. Sheik Khalid Yasin is visiting Australia at the moment speaking to Muslim groups in mosques around the country. And as this marks the beginning of the week of the anniversary of the dreadful events of September 11th and the destruction of the World Trade Center, this quite frank and some may find disturbing interview with Khalid Yasin is something that I think deserves to be heard. I spoke to Khalid Yasin on Friday. Let me give you an observation from a press release that the group who is sponsoring him brought out. This is what they say: ‘Last month, a prominent Sydney Islamic Imam accused scholars from abroad of brainwashing young Muslims in Australia. Sheik Yasin’s response to such inferences was that “There is no established religious body in Australia that can cast aspersions on other Muslims. Let anybody come to my talks and they will see that there is absolutely nothing in them that incites others to do wrong.â€â€™ Well on listening to this interview, you may decide otherwise. The controversial Imam spoke at Lakemba mosque on Thursday evening to a packed audience, and he pointed out that in the past ten years there have been more than 5,000 people convert to Islam through his institute and other bodies, and suggests that an additional 1,476 have converted since the September 11 attacks. That’s in the press release accompanying the visit of Sheik Khalid Yasin, our guest on Sunday Night. MUSIC John Cleary: Khalid Yasin grew up in the United States as a young man, served in the Vietnam War, was drawn to Islam by the preaching of Malcolm X among others, and spends his life these days touring and instructing young Muslims and people who are interested in converting to the faith, about Islam today. Khalid Yasin, welcome to the program. Khalid Yasin: Thank you very much. John Cleary: I hope I haven’t done violence to your biography in that brief potted version. Khalid Yasin: No, I think I’ll get an opportunity to fill in some of those voids. John Cleary: Islam is getting a very rough trot in the West today. How do you deal with that as a teacher? Khalid Yasin: Well there’s two ways. For myself, and other co-religionists, I say we have to be tolerant. Along with being tolerant we should be ourselves stable, functional inside the religion, so that we personify the core principles of the religion, because if we do that, then at least we’re not going to be responsible for people taking a radical view of us. The second thing is that I try to take into account, to make an assessment of who I’m speaking to, and upon doing so, I try to from their perspective, correct the distortions, correct the misconceptions to the best of my ability, because that’s what an educator does. Now if there’s a matter of aversion or rejection, or ignorance on the part of the person that I’m unable to penetrate, then that’s not my fault, this is just a hill that I couldn’t quite climb. John Cleary: Well me might get a chance to explore some of those difficulties that people present to you, during the course of the next few minutes. Let’s first begin though with your personal journey. You started off growing up as a young kid in the United States; when did you first become aware that there was a religious dimension to life, and then what led you to Islam? Khalid Yasin: Well I guess I got sort of a unique experience to share with you today, John. I grew up in foster home environments, and for reasons that probably I don’t have time to share with you, I wasn’t an orphan, but nevertheless I grew up in an orphanage or orphan home type environment, and over the period from maybe three years old until I was about 15, I was sort of like farmed out to perhaps six or seven different foster homes. Well each one of those happened to have been a different Christian denomination, so I got the full spectrum of Christianity by the time I was 15. And what I didn’t taste in that environment, I went into the military service quite early, earlier than I should have, because I lied about my age. The Federal government at that time, maybe they just didn’t have the tools to find out how young I was but – John Cleary: When is this, about 1964, ’65? Khalid Yasin: This was 1963. I went into the military service, the early part, and there while I was in the military, the military was sort of like a challenge for me also. But while I was in the military, I sort of continued my exploration of religion, not because I was so religious but it was just a part of military life and a part of my upbringing as a child, and I even participated in Catholicism. I went to mass, I tried my best to appreciate the liturgy and the rituals of even the Catholic examination. So by the time I was 18 years old, just before my 18th birthday, I could probably say that I was a religious person, having a connection to God, having a feeling with Scripture, having a sensitivity towards prophethood and ideals of the church. But a bit confused because of all these different denominational things. Well there was a question always in my mind, many questions that just were not answered. And so that kind of like led me, and of course this is now 1964, the turbulent ‘60s, and the turbulent ‘60s sort of uncovered a lot of rocks for people. The Vietnam War I think just opened up a whole new dimension for Americans, about our government, about the world, about values, about social values and also of religious values. And so at that time a group emerged in America called the Nation of Islam. John Cleary: The Black Muslims. Khalid Yasin: That’s what they were called by the press and the media. John Cleary: Malcom X. Khalid Yasin: Yes, they didn’t call themselves that, they were called the Black Muslims I think because they preached a sort of a black supremacy, so maybe the appendage was appropriate for them. John Cleary: And of course the most noted convert there was Cassius Clay, Mohamed Ali. Khalid Yasin: Yes, the central figure of that movement emerged, although the mentor of the movement was a man called Elijah Mohamed who called himself a prophet which of course mainstream Islam we reject that totally. But nevertheless he was a social reformer, there’s no doubt about that. But his spokesman was a man called Malcom X. Now there’s no doubt as to who Malcom X was, he was a very transparent person. The world now knows him as Malcom X, but later on it was the Al Haj Maleek Shabaz, this was what affected me, when he wrote the now world-renowned letter from Mecca, disclaiming his relationship with the Nation of Islam, and also acknowledging his mistakes and apologising for his radical, racist beliefs, I mean this took a lot of courage. And then he dedicated himself to preach Islam to the best of his ability from a universal point of view, of course with the commitment to help his downtrodden people. Well I was one of the youths who read that letter in The New York Times, something good that The New York Times did bring to us, and I was one of the youths who was present at his lecture called The Message to the Grassroots, which is that famous lecture when he came back from Mecca. I was able to shake his hand, I was able to see the man and to me that’s a historical day, but beyond that I had no connection with Malcolm X. But he touched my life, as he did many other people who even were non-Muslims of that age, and so that was January of 1965. Of course Malcolm X was assassinated in February of 1965, tragically so. In October of 1965 I became a Muslim. So I guess those chain of events certainly had some significance towards my becoming a Muslim. John Cleary: Was that an intellectual conviction which led you there? You say Malcolm X touched with; I’m wondering to what extent there’s an experiential element to this as well? A personal experience? Khalid Yasin: Well there was a famous book that I read called ‘The Rhetoric of No’, and it sort of like highlighted the lives of different people who said No to the system. John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Bertrand Russell, others. Well Malcolm was one of the people, and they characterised his No as the radical No. Well I and others of that turbulent time period, we became radicals, because our response to the system was a radical response, reactionary. Well Malcolm touched me because Malcolm stood up as a man. Malcolm was willing to stand in the face of threat and sacrifice, and make the sacrifice. John Cleary: I guess I’m asking, there were both Christian radicals and Muslim radicals in the black cause. If you go to Martin Luther King and other leaders of the NAACP, you come to the Muslim side, there are a number of leaders there. What moved you towards Islam rather than towards Luther King? Khalid Yasin: Well the Christian church became sort of an impasse for me, an impenetrable wall of dogma that just didn’t seem to generate the answers. The other thing is that as I began to read and I was an avid reader; I mean I wasn’t very disciplined but I was an avid reader. And as I read I found that the Christian church itself sort of tolerated a great deal of transgression and oppression against different people, and colonialism and other things. I’m not saying that the Christian church promoted this, but it’s just been a fibre of Christian civilisation. So I think at that age I started to create a distaste of hypocrisy and inconsistency in my mind. John Cleary: And that wall you speak of, too, there is a certain sense in which Islam is very clear on certain things, like the whole problem of the Trinity doesn’t exist for Islam. The whole nature of the incarnation doesn’t exist for Islam, so in some ways Islam is much closer to Judaism than it is to Christianity, in those senses. Khalid Yasin: Yes from a scriptural point of view I think Islam is sort of a natural progression of the Hebrew prophets in scripture, and also we can say that Christianity, Judaism and Islam, they are the three monotheistic faiths of the world. It’s just that St Paul or the apostle Paul, and his contribution to the phenomenon of Christianity in the Western world, made quite a diversion from that scriptural, contextual view and so of course I didn’t know that, couldn’t identify it at that time, but I think that the fact that Islam answered questions that were always in my mind and answered them so easily, so effortlessly and so beautifully. And the other things is that the answers didn’t come from a clergy, the answers came from the Qu’ran itself, that we accept to be the word of God. The second thing was that the person of the Prophet Mohamed, peace and blessings upon, when I was a young person, we were always looking for heroes, we were always looking for that perfect man, or that person, that ideal. But when I read about the Prophet Mohamed and his lives, not as an Arab, but as a man, as a leader, as a mentor, as a Prophet, as a father, I couldn’t see any other human being that had that kind of personification, so these two elements, the Qu’ran and the life of the Prophet, peace and blessing upon him, I think is what sort of triggered my reversion. That’s what we like to call it. John Cleary: My guest is Sheik Khalid Yasin, visiting Australia on a trip lecturing and informing Australians about Islam and speaking to young Muslims around the country. Tell me about the great issues you’re faced with today. We mentioned at the start of our interview and said we’d touch on one or two of these things. What for you is the central dilemma facing Islam today as the West tries to tear itself apart almost over issues like terrorism. This is as much something for Islam to deal with as it is for the so-called West to deal with. Khalid Yasin: I think that it’s a bit hypocritical and double-standard for the Western civilisation to use this issue of terrorism as equation to evaluate Islam and Muslims when its history in the world is one of terrorism. I mean we just go to South America, we just go to the issue of slavery in America, and how they were pulled out of Africa, we go to South Africa, we go to the Aborigines right here in Australia. I mean I don’t have to tell you the stories, I can go as a historian, which I am and a sociologist which I am, I can just give you so many stories. That doesn’t take away from the contribution of technology, civilisation, education, sophisticated institutions that the West has brought to the world. So to be very fair, what I always try to do as an educator, as I say to people that terrorism is not a place where we should start to evaluate, make an assessment of Muslims. John Cleary: Yes, why don’t we start in the 14th century. Khalid Yasin: Exactly. I mean let’s start with the Islamic values. Let’s start with the core of Islam. And let’s not start with Muslims, because it’s not fair for me to evaluate Christendom by Christians or even by the church. John Cleary: Christianity recognises, and I should say the popular press recognises about Christianity that it’s been torn by internal divisions, and those internal divisions have often been the result of even more violence than the actual faith itself has. Is there a recognition within Islam that in some ways internal divisions have to be dealt with, but there has to be a way found? We have surely the division between Suna and Shia on one hand, but you also have other groups, Wahabis on one hand, other smaller groups which splinter off all around the world, and you will have variations on teaching. Now one of the great advantages of Islam is it’s not hierarchical, it’s not like the Roman model. The disadvantage is that how do you deal with groups that become aberrations, if you like? Khalid Yasin: Well you know, John, one of the contemporary disadvantages that Muslims have was adhering to the Islamic values as a global body, is that there is no global representation for them. So therefore look, how does a government bring its citizens into compliance with the Constitution for instance? It’s through regulation, it’s through governmental institutions. So how do we expect that Muslim scholars or Muslim leaders are to bring their people into compliance with the core Islamic values? We don’t have government, we don’t have institutions to do that, we can only preach, we can only teach. So how can we then be blamed that we can’t bring the 1.4-billions of people, Muslims, who are spread all over the earth, into compliance with the core of Islam? This is going to happen gradually but the second thing, the same people who are blaming us for not being able to do that, they don’t want us to have global representation. I mean that seems to me not to be fair. The method by which, or the methodology by which other groups of people, bodies of people, governments of people or civilisations bring their people into compliance whether ideologically so or otherwise, is through legislation. We have to have global representation to do that. Now I don’t say that a Muslim government in Turkey or a Muslim government in Africa or a Muslim government in Pakistan would do that, because that’s not global representation. We don’t see ourselves as a national body, we see ourselves as a global body. In my estimation the Muslims without a global head, not for the sake of Jihad or expanding the empire of Islam, but just for the sake of globalising and having central government and regulation of Muslims, because our institutions require that. So in a very simplistic way, I would say that what we can do is what we do. We preach, we teach tolerance, we teach from the core of Islam, that is the Qu’ran and the Sunnah of the Prophet peace and blessing be upon him, we try to make what is called Insh'allah - which in Arabic means to make reconciliation between groups, to find common ways in which they can appreciate and tolerate each other. Then externally, we have to do the same thing for non-Muslims, whether it be the situation in Palestine, whether it be in Chechnya or whether it be the situation in Kashmir or wherever it is, we have to preach tolerance, patience, introspection, commitment to the core principles of the religion. And I think that if committed Christians, tolerant Christians and committed Muslims and tolerant Muslims, intellectual ones, influential ones come together in an atmosphere of tolerance and commitment, to try to put together principles and recommendations, this will help, but this is not necessarily going to execute what we want. We need I believe as Muslims, we need for things to come from the top down, and so for me, what I try to promote is that Muslims should have an attachment to community, because community develops the idea of society, and society then brings about nation. Nation inevitably brings about the idea of civilisation. John Cleary: Do you foresee a day when you’d be able to have some sort of representative structures internationally? Khalid Yasin: Of course. Inevitably. It has to happen. You see Islam, this is the seed of Islam, you’ll never, even when we study DNA, we find that its structure never changes. So the DNA of Islam is not going to change. When Islam evolves and comes out as a flower or as a plant or mineral, or whatever it’s going to be, the structure will never change. The Islamic structure is an institutional one, and it cannot function on an individual level. This is not a reactionary – John Cleary: So community is at the essence of it. Khalid Yasin: It’s at the essence. And what’s the essence of community? Family. So you’ve got to build the individuals to become good families. Build good families to build good communities. And so myself as a sociologist and teacher and a committed Muslim, I’m trying to come from the bottom to the top. John Cleary: Where does the Sharia fit into that? Khalid Yasin: Well the Sharia is the cement that keeps all the bricks together. The Sharia is the legislative element. The Sharia is the judicial element. This is where rules, this is where juristic decisions, this is where the courts, this is where law. And I mean if you don’t have a people that is governed by Sharia, then you have a lawless people. John Cleary: Christianity once had a problem with that in the Middle Ages, and so canon law developed, and church law was the law of the State. And then alongside that civic law developed. And gradually over the years, they split and then civil law became predominant over church law. Do you see that sort of evolution taking place in Islam as well? Khalid Yasin: No. As a matter of fact this dichotomy of church and State and civil law and religious law, doesn’t exist in Islam. Because the source of law has never been the human being. In Christianity the source of law, human beings have always had something to do with the evolution of the law, but in Islam it is not the case. The law is an inspiration from God, the Qu’ran is the word of God alone. Even it is not the law of Mohamed. Mohamed was inspired by God, it is his example of the law, his explanation of the law, his personal example of the law. So in this sense civil law and religious law are congruous together. John Cleary: Could you have a secular Islamic state, like Turkey is trying to be over the years? Khalid Yasin: No, it doesn’t work. These are experiments that have been tried but they haven’t worked. Now of course you can have it, but you’ll see that after a certain amount of time it disintegrates, it cannot work. John Cleary: So ultimately the Sharia should become the law of the land? Khalid Yasin: Exactly. It has to be. I mean, who is the best lawgiver? Who is the best legislator, the designer, the author, the creator or the human beings who themselves are subjected to that law? It has to be. So I think that if we have time to reflect and be honest and objective about the matter, if you asked me, ‘Kalid, who do you think has the best idea to regulate what should go on in this building? The people who designed it? Or the people who live in it?’ I’d say ‘The people that designed it.’ So we say that God is the creator of the human beings, the black, the white, the all. And therefore the law emanates from God. And then God sent prophets as examples, how to administrate the law. So those prophets were examples and they were inspired. It is not their own personal feelings that we use for law but it is their adherence to God and their personal examples of how to administrate that law. And so in that sense I think that the source of law in Islam is superior to that of anywhere else. John Cleary: I’m trying to think of those countries which are struggling with this question at the moment. Indonesia and Malaysia, to our immediate north. What’s your view about the way then that has to be resolved in those countries? Khalid Yasin: Well you know John, I think that the evolution of the Sharia within a country that has not been practising it, has got to take time. If we look at the evolution of the Sharia experiment in Nigeria for instance. It’s just a wonderful, phenomenal experience. It has brought about some sweeping changes, balances, within the society, regulations in terms of moral practices and so many things. John Cleary: Yes but you’ve also got a case that’s making the news headlines of a woman who – Khalid Yasin: One case of the – John Cleary: Caught in adultery, or allegedly in adultery and now she’s to be killed and – Khalid Yasin: Yes but I’m saying, should we in all fairness, should we take one case out of 10,000 cases that are being dealt with in this new Sharia court, and isolate that? No, that wouldn’t be fair. John Cleary: Let’s talk about that Nigeria for example for a moment, because you’ve got a country there which has a large Christian population and a large Muslim population; how do you reconcile that? Do you think that the Sharia should prevail and Christians can live under the ambit of the Sharia, or do you think there should be a secular state which allows room for both Muslims and Christians to practice under their own religious codes? Khalid Yasin: Well let me for a moment, let me take that question into a broader historical spectrum, and let’s look at it in that light. What did the Sharia provide for the Christians who are living in Spain, what did the Sharia provide for the Muslims who were living in Turkey, I mean historically. What did the Sharia provide for Muslims living in the Islamic state in Medina? What did the Sharia provide? Always dignity, protection, and the religious rights? Co-mingling, respect of their properties? So historically, Islam has always shown tolerance, dignity, protection for the non-Muslims living in the Muslim state. So from a historical perspective, I say that the Nigerian experiment is one where they are trying to get back to that model, but it’s not going to happen overnight, and in all fairness, you know, we people living in the West, we live in the shake and bake thing, we think that if some people choose, of a new parliament comes, if a new government body comes, they’re supposed to shake things up in three or four years or within that particular – that doesn’t happen. Nigeria degenerated over a number of years and I don’t have to talk about the level of degeneration, I have visited there. It’s not going to happen overnight, and the other thing is that this isolated case of this woman, it’s for the Nigerian court and the Sharia to decide her case, not an emotional Western reactionary, pragmatic, we’re not the ones to judge other people, they have to judge that. It’s good news, it’s good news, but to be very fair and objective I think that there are 9,999 other cases that if you were to review them, you’ll find that they might be even better news or a better example of how the Sharia works. John Cleary: Well let’s broaden that out a little again. What then happens to concepts developed in the West over the last couple of hundred years, such as representative democracy, in that sort of system? Khalid Yasin: Well representative democracy, that terminology, there’s a lot of people that gave that explanation to that terminology, but representative democracy is the will of the people, by the people, for the people. OK now in regards to Islam, the people are always subject to God. The people have no right to legislate where God has already legislated, and so of course there are going to be some conflicts that will come up and these are challenges historically that have been met and they will continue to be met. I mean I think that if Muslims and Christians, or Muslims and secularists come together and intellectually objectively discuss various issues, you’re going to find that there’s going to be an Islamic perspective, like for instance, issues in terms of prison reform. John Cleary: Yes, but let me hang on to the representative democracy notion though for a moment, because essential to the nature of representative democracy is if the majority decides something and elects a set of representatives, it’s the representatives who make the law, that is, and the law in parliament is sovereign. There is no sovereignty above parliament, so it’s that notion I’m trying to get to. Khalid Yasin: Yes and we understand that, and let me use if I might a very graphic example of representative democracy. So if representative democracy says that men can marry men, and women can marry women and those men, the women who marry each other, can also adopt children and create a whole different idea of family, what will happen to the basic segment, the very element of family that builds society, that’s one. If the law of parliament says that it’s OK for women just to be naked, men and women just to be naked, or for the idea of child pornography to be, because it’s the exercising of people’s free right to press and whatever the case might be. What happens to the morals of society? So it is quite clear that at times interest groups can become the majority, and their interests may be one that defiles and undermines the very core of the society. Well in Islamic law this cannot happen. John Cleary: See at heart, what you are saying now is utterly at conflict with parliamentary democracy. You are saying there needs to be a law, a sovereign law, the law of God, revealed through the Sharia, which will be supreme over the elected will of the parliament. Khalid Yasin: That’s exactly what we’re saying, and we’re saying this with no apology. Why? Because God says (LANGUAGE) This is in the Qu’ran. That means for him is the legislation, for him is the sovereignty and no human beings have any part in that sovereignty. So when God has legislated, that law is supreme. We are only representatives. John Cleary: And where Christians say their version of the law of God is supreme, there you have the makings of conflict. Khalid Yasin: Well conflict is inevitable, John, I think that we would be very immature and more than idealistic to think of living in a world without conflict. But conflicts can be bridged, and this is where – John Cleary: But you’re saying only bridged if Christians step up onto the chariot with you, that is step up into the Sharia. Khalid Yasin: No, we didn’t say that. Let me draw from something from a historical profile that both of us can probably appreciate. Ibn Kahldouhn, a well-known scholar of social history, the history of societies, he said that invariably, history tells us that governmental rule is a matter of competition. So governments inevitably, having their cultures and their ideas, are going to conflict with others in regards even for the acquisition of territories. And it is that competition and what powers they possess, that are going to determine who’s going to acquire, who’s going to inhabit, what areas. This is not your determination or mine, it’s the competition. At this point, Western civilisation has developed the institutions, the material power to acquire, to possess, to inhabit and to enforce sometimes, to impose. They don’t make any excuses about that, they do. And so when the Muslims are able to do so, they will. And this is a matter of history, it’s not a matter of us wishing to have an Islamic state or having some kind of Jihad, a paradigm against Christians or something like that, no. We Muslims, we wish for the opportunity to acquire, to inhabit, to install, and to live under Sharia. Now how we go about that, we have to try to strive with dignity, with tolerance, without subversion, without conspiracy, without rebellion. We have to try to do this and however idealistic it is, I don’t have all the answers, and to be very frank with you, I don’t think that a great deal of Muslim intellectuals or Christian intellectuals may even care about my opinions, because I’m not really an intellectual. But nevertheless we have to find a way to compete, and it’s only right that we be given the same opportunity to compete as others with our aspirations. John Cleary: The idea of theocracy, which is essentially what we’ve been talking about, was tried a couple of times in Christian history, both in the Geneva of John Calvin, and in the England of Oliver Cromwell, and found wanting. Ultimately the people said No, the law needs to be supreme over the teachers of the Bible because the teachers of the Bible vary in their interpretation, and the law, parliament, needs to be supreme. Now wouldn’t it be the case that a Sharia ruled society would have much the same difficulties in that you have difficulties between a Shia interpretation, a Suna interpretation, or Wahabist interpretation, there’s all sorts of – Khalid Yasin: Well for us, John, our paradigm for government is the government of the Prophet, peace and blessing upon him. John Cleary: Yes but what did he mean when he says the things, that’s what people argue about isn’t it? Khalid Yasin: Well the thing is the end results. What we want in a society is where everyone has access to the resources of the society, we want a society where there is a reasonable coexistence, peaceful coexistence. Here in a society we want progress, in a society we don’t want the imposition of a class system; in a society we want to know that the law is equally applied to everyone, and we go on and on and on. And I say that there is a historical paradigm. OK now if the Christians or Western civilisation say that they have a historical paradigm of a nearly ideal state, I mean Socrates, Plato and all of these guys, they kind of articulated things towards it, but they never reached such an ideal republican state. But we have a historical paradigm, not only just in the person of the Prophet peace and blessing upon him, but in that Medina state. Now how long it lasted is not the issue, the fact that it is a paradigm, so an apple is an apple, however long it stays on the tree, it’s still an apple, whether it falls on the ground and rots it’s still an apple. So I say we have a historical paradigm and for all arguments’ sake, we can look at that and then compare it with other examples. John Cleary: Let’s talk about yourself and the things that make life worthwhile for you. What is it that gives you a buzz in the morning, when you get up in the morning what is it that gives you the most joy in life? Khalid Yasin: The anticipation of speaking to guys like you. No honestly, John, the work that I do, to be honest with you, coming from my background, as I told you before, I was born in Harlem, New York, raised in Brooklyn, New York, what we call the inner city destabilised and socially deprived people, and for me to be travelling around the world speaking with people about ideas such as we’re discussing today, for me to be the guest of prestigious institutions, to share my views, and to have the privilege as an American citizen to be able to do that, and to be Muslim and to feel the confidence of having something to offer, because this is the way I see my work. I see my work that I’ve got a bag full of tools, people need things repaired, so I look in my bag of tools almost like a doctor. I take out the right tool and I try to offer and try to fix that. Now in this case what am I fixing? I’m fixing human beings. Human beings have voids in their life. Human beings needs answers, whether they be Muslims or non-Muslims. I give answers, I give propositions. John Cleary: We all need moments of refreshment though, where from the focus that drives our life, we actually step back for a moment and reflect, or even recreate our bodies. What do you do for recreation to actually help you clear and focus and just unwind from time to time? Khalid Yasin: Well I’m a fairly avid horseman, I swim, martial arts, I box, I read quite a bit. Probably once every two years I visit Mecca and I cleanse myself spiritually by performing the Omrah or the Haj, and then daily I pray five times a day. As a Muslim that gives me the refreshment and our Prophet peace and blessings be upon him, said that the prayer is the coolness of his eyes. So I have the opportunity to recede five times a day into that inner sanctum. John Cleary: Do you feel that coolness? Khalid Yasin: Yes I do. John Cleary: Do you feel that peace? Khalid Yasin: Yes. John Cleary: So there is an experience associated with – Khalid Yasin: Well let me be quite honest. Faith rises and declines so there are times when I feel it more apparent than other times, but it’s a habit, I mean it’s just like swallowing, blinking, we have to pray, and we do. And there are times when you feel the presence and the outcome in the fruits of the prayer, and other times you’re just doing it mechanically, but still we have to do it. John Cleary: How does God, how does Allah express himself to you? Khalid Yasin: Through the Qu’ran. John Cleary: Through the Qu’ran. What about your own spiritual experience? Khalid Yasin: Well yes, when I look at the landscape of Australia, the scenes the blessings that providence has given to this country, when I’m in America and I go from California to New York, or from Texas up to Niagara Falls, or whatever and I see the earth, when I see India, when I visit the world and I see the presence of God in space and outer space or in science or in medicine, I mean all these things for me are reflections of the signs of God. John Cleary: What about, and I’m asking now something that actually broadens this questioning into the whole cultural life of Islam; what about the great works of art and music, you see that expressed in say, the Middle Ages, Islamic flowering in Spain, the glorious architecture of some of those cities. Where do you get your aesthetic sensibilities from? Khalid Yasin: We believe that those aesthetic areas exist, and they do have some benefit for human beings but they are what we call the peripherals, and we can live without the peripherals. And for me, I’m not a person that promotes the ideas of art, except within the spectrum of Islam. We don’t use figures, we don’t draw human faces and portraits so there is the issue of art within Islam, even the Qu’ranic writing, calligraphy and the designing of buildings and landscapes and nature, all of these things are appreciated but again, the aesthetic part of Islam is the peripheral. It’s like we need food for nutrition but if the food tastes good, that’s even better, but if I didn’t have a sense of taste I would still need nutrition. John Cleary: But God’s given you a sense of taste. Khalid Yasin: That’s correct. John Cleary: He’s given you a sense of form, style, of beauty. Khalid Yasin: And therefore we should exercise it and we should tune it. John Cleary: What about music, you mentioned tuning? Khalid Yasin: Well to be frank with you, John, I grew up in a family loving music, dancing, singing, clapping, clowning. But Islam made me a little bit more serious than that, and our Prophet peace and blessing upon him, he didn’t incline us towards music. It tends to make the human being a little less responsible, less regulated, and then it sets a platform that we can see has manifested itself in Western society in particular. Music didn’t start out in the Western societies as it is today, having now been today almost sort of the breeding ground for all the vices that have torn the society apart. We don’t say that, that this is where everyone in music or art is headed, but it’s definitely the breeding ground. So if somebody asks me ‘Kalid, what do you think about smoking a little bit of weed, I mean it does seem to be the you know’, so I would agree that probably maybe smoking a little bit of weed may be harmless in the beginning, but what does it lead to? And so what has music and art, what has it led to in the West? I mean in the core of it. Some very powerful institutions no doubt, some big lobbies, I mean there’s no place in the West where you can go where music and art is not represented, and now these are the most probably the wealthiest influential people and things of that nature, but that’s not the issue, the issue is from a civilisational point of view, from a moral standpoint of view, what has it breeded, what kind of institutions has it established, and then what historical legacy will it lead? And so for me, I tolerate the love of music within my family and within the Muslims civilisations or societies, but it’s not something that we pursue and not something that we promote. John Cleary: For you, as you tour the world, you’re moving through your life, where have you got your sense of greatest satisfaction, and what continues to be the central ground of your satisfaction? Khalid Yasin: I have an internal dream and one of my internal dreams is to be able to restore the idea of the father, the family, the male figure. Perhaps I haven’t done enough in that regard. My children, my parents, perhaps my siblings would probably say there’s still something lacking in my own pursuit of that dream, but through my Islamic growth and development, I am praying that one day I’ll fill some of the voids in my own life, I will sort of fill some voids in some other people’s life, and I will restore the image of the man in the society, take the instability of the female head of family, give some stability back to the people of the inner cities, give the idea of family back, of clarity as opposed to this nebulous idea, so these are some of the things that really drive me because I guess it has a lot to do with my own youth. But outside of myself, I think that I want to have something, I want to contribute towards the reformation, if not of my own society, America, the reformation of the world in some small way. I’m not looking for recognition in terms of a Pulitzer Prize or Nobel Peace Prize or anything like that, but I hope that somewhere in history it will be written, and that my children, my grandchildren, or others who may be their peers, that they’ll pick up a book and somebody would have said that this man Khalid Yasin, came from such-and-such a background, but he made a powerful contribution to the upliftment of human beings in this respect, or that respect. To me I think that would be a great gift from God, and that’s what I’m striving to do. John Cleary: Khalid Yasin thanks for joining us on Sunday Night. It’s been a great pleasure to have you. Khalid Yasin: Well I thank you for being a gracious non-provocative host. John Cleary: Khalid Yasin, currently visiting Australia, here on a visit evangelising for Islam. Produced By Noel Debien, Dan Driscoll Guests in this story: Skeih Khalid Yasin A former Christian, Sheikh Yasin is the Executive Director of the Islamic Teaching Institute ; a premier organisation dedicated to the work of invitation to Islam.

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Salama aleykum, Yes the sheikh will be coming it is confirmed, I dont have the full details on when exactly the lectures will be, however i can tell you this much: He is coming on Thursday 4th of May in the twin cities. He will be making a lecture at UofM and Mctc on different days. maybe friday and saturday. He will be making a khutbah at masjid Huda. He will be at Abuubakar sadique mosque and make a lecture there. ( Also there might be a chance the convention center is booked for one of his lectures for everyone) Somalia students association are making plans for him and He want to have day to lecture to the youth and women insha allah. Please be patient with us and please tell everyone. I will try to post the flier once it is available, it was a surprise appearance, I apologize but it was hard to prepare for the sheikh so quickly. Salaam to you all, may allah guide u to the right path. amin.

Three Questions There was a young man who went overseas to study for quite a long time. When he returned, he asked his parents to find him a religious scholar or any expert who could answer his 3 questions. Finally, his parents were able to find a Muslim scholar. Young man: Who are you? Can you answer my questions? Scholar: I am one of Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala )'s slaves and insha-Allah (God willing), I will be able to answer your questions. Young man : Are you sure? A lot of Professors and experts were not able to answer my questions. Scholar: I will try my best, with the help of Allah SubHana Wa Ta`ala. Young Man: I have 3 questions: 1. Does God exist? If so, show me His shape. 2. What is takdir (fate)? 3. If shaitan (Devil) was created from the fire, why at the end he will be thrown to hell that also created from fire. It certainly will not hurt him at all, since Shaitan (Devil) and the hell were created from fire. Did God not think of it this far? Suddenly, the Scholar slapped the young man's face very hard. Young Man (feeling pain): Why do you get angry at me? Scholar: I am not angry. The slap is my answer to your three questions. Young Man: I really don't understand. Scholar: How do you feel after I slapped you? Young Man: Of course, I felt the pain. Scholar: So do you believe that pain exists? Young Man: Yes Scholar: Show me the shape of the pain! Young Man: I cannot. Scholar: That is my first answer. All of us feel God's existence without being able to see His shape. Scholar: Last night, did you dream that you will be slapped by me? Young Man: No. Scholar: Did you ever think that you will get a slap from me, today? Young Man: No. Scholar: That is takdir (fate). Scholar: My hand that I used to slap you, what is it created from? Young Man: It is created from skin. Scholar: How about your face, what is it created from? Young Man: Skin. Scholar: How do you feel after I slapped you? Young Man: In pain. Scholar: Even though Shaitan (Devil) and also the hell were created from the fire, if Allah wants, insha-Allah (God willing), the hell will become a very painful place for Shaitan (Devil). It is sad because they start by being DISTRACTED by SHEYTAN, to being HABITUALLY DISTRACTED..to GONE (deaf,dumb and blind) mentioned in suratul Al-Hashr -Their allies deceived them), like the Evil One, when he says to man, "Deny Allah": but when (man) denies Allah, (the Evil One) says, "I am free of thee: I do fear Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!" 59:16 -Therefore the end of both of them is that they are both in the fire to abide therein, and that is the reward of the unjust. 59:17 -O ye who believe! Fear Allah, and let every soul look to what (provision) He has sent forth for the morrow. Yea, fear Allah: for Allah is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do. 59:18 -And be not like those who forsook Allah, so He made them forsake their own souls: these it is that are the transgressors.59:19

Seems like you having problem with two things. 1. The prophet Having knowledge of the qaib. ( I ask you this, what is the quran (includes knowledge of the qaib)? a revelation right..then everything he says was a revelation as well.) (suratul Najm verse 1-5) I swear by the star when it goes down. Your companion does not err, nor does he go astray Nor does he speak out of desire It is no less than inspiration sent down to him He was taught by one Mighty in Power The prophet more than once described the knowledge of the qaib (the grave, the judgement day, and so forth as it was revealed to him, So that never contradicted the quran. yes the knowledge of qaib is with allah, and the prophet doesnt say anything except that it was revealed to him. You can find many evidences in the quran. 2. Scholars making ijtihad. 'Definition of Ijtihaad: linguistically ijtihaad means: to expend efforts in order to reach some difficult matter. Technically it means: expending efforts to arrive at a Sharee'ah ruling. And the Mujtahid is the one who expends efforts for this purpose. Conditions for Ijtihaad: Being a mujtahid has conditions, from them:- That he knows the Sharee'ah proofs which he needs in his ijtihaad - such as the verses and ahaadeeth pertaining to rulings. That he knows what relates to the authenticty or weakness of a hadeeth, such as having knowledge of the isnaad and it's narrators and other than this. That he knows the abrogated and the abrogating, and the places where there is ijmaa - such that he does not give a ruling according to something that has been abrogated, nor give a ruling that opposes the (authentically related) ijmaa. That he knows from the proofs that which causes the rulings to vary, such as takhsees (particularisation), or taqyeed (restriction), or it's like. So he does not give a judgement which is contrary to this. That he knows the Arabic language and usul al-fiqh, and what relates to the meanings and indications of particular wordings - such as the general, the particular, the absolute and unrestricted, the restricted, the unclarified, and the clarified, and it's like - in order that he gives rulings in accordance with what this demands. That he has the ability to extract rulings from the evidences. And ijtihaad may be split up, such that it may be undertaken in one particular branch of knowledge, or in one particular issue. What is essential for the Mujtahid: It is essential that the Mujtahid strives in expending his efforts to arrive at knowledge of the truth, and to give rulings in accordance to what is apparent to him. If he is correct, then he has two rewards: one for his ijtihaad, and the other for arriving at the truth - since arriving at the truth means that it is manifested and acted upon. If, however, he is mistaken, then he has a single reward, and his error is forgiven him, as he (SAW) said, "when a judge judges and strives and is correct, then he has two rewards. If he judges and strives and errs, then he has a single reward." If the ruling is not clear to him, then he must withold - and in such a case, taqleed is permissible for him, due to necessity. Taqleed - it's definition: Linguistically, taqleed means: Placing something around the neck, which encircles the neck. Technically it means: Following he whose sayings is not a proof (hujjah). Exlcuded from our saying, "following he whose saying is not a proof" is: following the Prophet (SAW), following the ijmaa and also following the saying of the sahaabee - for those who consider the saying of a single sahaabee to be a proof. So following any of these is not called taqleed, since there is a proof for doing so. However this type of following is sometimes referred to as taqleed in a very metaphorical and loose sense. The Place of Taqleed: Taqleed is done in two cases: 1) when the muqallid is an 'aamee (a common person) who does not have the ability to aquire knowledge of the sharee'ah ruling by himself. So taqleed is obligatory upon him, due to the saying of Allaah - The Most High, "ask the people of knowledge if you do not know." So he does taqleed of one whom he considers to be a person of knowledge and piety. If there are two such people who are equal in his view, then he chooses any one of them. 2) The mujtahid when he encounters a new situation, for which an immediate solution is required, but it is not possible for him to research into this matter. So in this case he is permitted to perform taqleed. Some stipulate as a condition for the permissibility of taqleed, that the matter is not from the fundamentals of the deen - those matters which must be held as aqueedah - since matters of aqueedah require certainty, whereas taqleed only amounts to dhann (knowledge which is not certain). However the correct saying in this matter is that this is not a condition, due to the generality of his - the Most High's - saying, "ask the people of knowledge if you do not know." And this verse is in the context of affirming the Messengership - which is from the fundamentals of the deen. And also because the common person cannot acquire knowledge of the sharee'ah rulings with it's proofs by himself. So if he is unable to arrive at the truth by himself, then nothing remains for him except taqleed, due to the saying of Allaah - the most High, "fear Allaah as much as you can" Types of Taqleed: Taqleed is of two types: general and specific. 1) The general type: that a person sticks to a particular madhhab (school of thought), accepting it's concessions and non-concessions, in all matters of the deen. The scholars have differed about such a state. So some amongst the late-comers have reported that this is obligatory upon him, due to his inability to perform ijtihaad. Others report it as being forbidden for him, due to its being a case of necessitating unrestricted following of other than the Prophet (SAW). Shaykh al-Islaam ibn Taymiyyah said, "The saying that it is obligatory, causes obedience to other than the Prophet (SAW) in every matter of command and pohibition, and this is in opposition to the ijmaa'. And the allowance of it contains what it contains." He (RH) also said, "He who sticks to a particular madhhab, and then acts in opposition to it - without making taqleed of another scholar who has given him a ruling, nor does he use an evidence as a proof which necessitates acting in opposition to his madhhab, nor does he have an acceptable Sharee'ah excuse which allows him to do what he has done - then such a person is a follower of his desires, doing what is haraam - without a Sharee'ah excuse - and this is evil and sinful. However, if there becomes clear to him, something which necessitates preference to one saying to another - either due to detailed proofs if he knows and understands them, or because he holds one of two people to be more knowledgeable about this matter and having more piety with regards to what he says - and so he leaves the saying of that one for the saying of the other one, then this is permissible, rather, it is obligatory. And there is a text from Imaam Ahmad about this." 2) The particular type of taqleed is that he accepts a saying about a particular matter. This is permissible if such a person is unable to arrive at knowledge of the by ijtihaad - whether he is unable to in reality, or he is able, but with great difficulty. Fatwaa of a Muqallid: Allaah - the Most High - said, "Ask the people of knowledge if you do not know." And the Ahludh Dhikr are the Ahlul Ilm (the people of knowledge), whereas the muqallid is not a person of knowledge who is followed - rather he himself is a follower of someone else. Ibn Abdul Barr (d.463) and others have said, "the people are united in ijmaa that the muqallid is not counted as being from the Ahlul Ilm, and that knowledge is the realisation of guidance along with it's proof." Ibn al-Qayyim said, " And it is as Abu Umar (ibn Abdul Barr) said: Indeed, the people do not differ about the fact that knowledge is the realisation attained from proof, but without proof, it is only taqleed." Ibn al-Qayyim then quotes, "There are three sayings about the permissibility of giving fatwaa based upon taqleed: 1) It is not permissible to give fatwaa based upon taqleed, because it is not knowledge; since issuing a fatwaa without knowledge is forbidden. This is the saying of most of the Hanbalee scholars and the majority of the Shaafi'iyyah. 2) That it is permissible with regards to himself, but it is not permissible to give a fatwaa to others based upon taqleed. 3) That it is permissible when there is a need for it, and there is no mujtahid scholar. And this is the most correct of the sayings and is what is acted upon."' Shaykh al-Albaanee says in his, 'The Hadeeth is a Proof in itself' after mentioning the statements of the Imaams on Taqleed as found in the introduction to 'The Prophets Prayer Described' brings a chapter heading, "Taqleed for whoever cannot search for proofs by himself" (pp94+), '"Some may ask: "Not everyone has the ability to be a Person of Knowledge, as explained before?" We say: yes indeed. No one disputes this fact. Allaah said, "So ask the People of Knowledge if you do not know." (16:43) and, "ask the knowledgeable about it" (25:59). The Prophet (SAW), for those who issued fatwa without knowledge: "Could not they have asked if they did know? The cure for the confused one is to ask." However, we did not mention all of the above evidence to show who can and who cannot be a scholar. Our research is with regards to those few who are considered to be People of Knowledge....Taqleed is upon the common person and the ignorant one. The scholars, who can search for the evidence, are excluded from this group. They are the ones whose responsibility is not to do Taqleed. Rather, their responsibility is to perform Ijtihaad. The following saying by ibn Abdul Barr explains this matter further, "All these rules are for the common folk, they are the ones who have to perform Taqleed of their scholars when needed. They are not capable of understanding or comprehending evidence or knowledge. Knowledge has grades, one cannot attain the topmost grade unless he goes via the base...Scholars do not differ with regards to the common folk having to follow their scholars..." However, I believe that to generalise about the common folk by saying that they all must perform taqleed is invalid. Taqleed is to follow others without evidence. Many intelligent people can clearly understand evidence if it is presented to them. Who can deny that a common person can understand the evidence contained in the hadeeth, "Tayammum is one strike (of the hands on the dust) for the face and hands"? Even people lacking intelligence can understand this hadeeth. Therefore, the truth is that we must say that Taqleed is allowed for whosoever cannot search for or understand the evidence, ibn al-Qayyim also was of this opinion. Even scholars are forced to do Taqleed sometimes, when a scholar cannot find a text from Allaah or His Messenger, but only sayings of more knowledgeable scholars."

sorry about that...He is coming next week I apologize, the masjid is making the arrangements.

Salaam I heard Sheikh khalid yasin is coming to Minneapolis Minnesota this weekend. For all of you who are in the twin cities or nearby that want to know the details let me know. He will be making a lecture at the U of M , I will get more information soon insha allah. May allah guide us all.