Typical Xalimos, always running to religion to justify their choices.

Whiles I am not the most religious or Knowledgeable person, theirs one thing i would never consider and that's Riba, especially in regards to the way its described in the Quran: 275. Those who eat Ribâ (usury) will not stand (on the Day of Resurrection) except like the standing of a person beaten by Shaitân (Satan) leading him to insanity. That is because they say: "Trading is only like Ribâ (usury)," whereas Allâh has permitted trading and forbidden Ribâ (usury). So whosoever receives an admonition from his Lord and stops eating Ribâ (usury) shall not be punished for the past; his case is for Allâh (to judge); but whoever returns [to Ribâ (usury)], such are the dwellers of the Fire - they will abide therein. 276. Allâh will destroy Ribâ (usury) and will give increase for Sadaqât (deeds of charity, alms, etc.) And Allâh likes not the disbelievers, sinners. 277. Truly those who believe, and do deeds of righteousness, and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, they will have their reward with their Lord. On them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. 278. O you who believe! Be afraid of Allâh and give up what remains (due to you) from Ribâ (usury) (from now onward), if you are (really) believers. 279. And if you do not do it, then take a notice of war from Allâh and His Messenger but if you repent, you shall have your capital sums. Deal not unjustly (by asking more than your capital sums), and you shall not be dealt with unjustly (by receiving less than your capital sums). 280. And if the debtor is in a hard time (has no money), then grant him time till it is easy for him to repay, but if you remit it by way of charity, that is better for you if you did but know. 281. And be afraid of the Day when you shall be brought back to Allâh. Then every person shall be paid what he earned, and they shall not be dealt with unjustly.

Sheik Raage has indeed spoken the truth, theirs a massive inferiority complex with a lot of the Xalimos in the West noways. Now the story he retold is not something new and many including myself has seen it happen, wheres a Xalimo sells her self cheap to a ajnabi and gives hard time to her Somali brothers. Now I don't care if they marry ajnabis but what annoys me is most of them once they marry ajnabi they start bagging our Somali culture and Somali men, Whats more they all use 'Deen' to cover up their lust for Ajnabi men, Na if you going to marry ajnabi then marry him, stop hiding and using lines like 'aslong as hes muslim' or 'I want a man with deen' as if their no niman somali with deen.

Why talk to terrorists, I can't understand.

Naxar Nugaaleed;923732 wrote: lets hang these people? this your addition to these debates Traitors have no place in any nation, they must be dealt with.

The president needs to toughen up and deal with these terrorist's and traitors.He needs to bring these trouble makers and hang them, set an example, we can't have every goat herd have his own opinion on how to run the country.

Mooge;915779 wrote: did anyone notice anything? qoslaye finally closed his mouth after he read mooge's redicule. looool. who said fadhikuriri can't change anything. lool Cawaan, you sound like a little baby who split his milk.

Apophis;895799 wrote: There's nothing wrong with "deen" and someone with "deen" can also be cultured but it becomes a problem when these mullahs are convincing women they should only choose their future husbands based on "deen". It's a horrible cliche now. Every (ok I'm stretching it ) Somali chic is starting the convo and finishing it with "deen". And they're looking for a specific kind of "deen" with clearly visible attire and facial features. I don't blame the women; I blame the people of A&T & NGONGE'S generation who have allowed this brainwashing to occur under their watch. They have utterly failed and abrogated their responsibilities. Well said, u made some excellent points..you can have 'deen' and also be cultured, alot of these brainwashed youth have low self esteem and would bend over backwards for other people.

Narniah;895677 wrote: Thanks Rahima. 5.. I wasn't thrashing all Somali men, I was just answering a question I was asked. This is why I don't like to get into debates with people on this forum cause no one leaves room for any understanding it's your either with them or against them there's no middle ground. Maybe you haven't read my post sister but I blatantly stated that I felt sorry for the sisters who felt that way. I don't know why people like to only read parts of my posts and ignore my main point. Oh well, I'm use to it but please re-read my post as you seem to have missed my own point. Let's not forget that I'm Somali too, and so is my lovely father though I believe men like him are rare in any community nevertheless there are many amazing brothers in our community some of them being my own brothers, and I admire and look up to them. Oh pls man, don't you ever have anything new to say? You say that same lame line to every post I make about marrying out the community. Isn't dagax a stone in af somali, why am I suppose to marry one? Such a deranged individual you are. Pathetic, you think Somalis are full blooded? They are also mixed, so you can kindly shove your racist comments. Oh and what a coincidence today a Bosnian brother who's a 10 in looks n deen proposed to me...Hmm.. I will do that bro, and I know some really nice Somali guys I just don't have anything in common with them unfortunately. The ones who got the looks don't have deen and the ones with deen don't have looks...Long story... Thanks The only think the shines from this post is your lack of self esteem, and your deep seated hatred of anything Somali, especially Somali men. Now I don't blame you, alot of young Somali girls suffer from this disease, a lack of self esteem, they will generally try to cover it up by using religion to get their point across, but we all know deep down they hate themselves and their culture. Furthermore in order to justify your fetish for ajnabi men you go about bashing Somalis and Somali culture, even calling us mixed breed, which any proud Somali would stand against such blaspheme. Like I said if you have fetish for dhagax, cadaans or whatever, that's your choice but don't come and try to force us to accept it.

Narniah;894054 wrote: I'm glad you realize you went a lil overboard there. I know your passionate about your views when it comes to this topic, so I'm use to it. (at least should be by now). As you know (and obviously can't stand) I'm supportive of Somalis marrying ajnabies cause I don't see anything wrong with it. I think it's absolutely absurd that people say ''if you marry a Non-Somali person your automatically someone who isn't cultured, that you must hate ur own kind bla bla. Hearing these misconceptions every single time this kind of a topic arises is a lil tiring. Like the claim you made earlier (indirectly) that Somalis who are married to ajnabis don't eat traditional food, or burn unsi. Are you for real? I think it's perfectly possible for a Somali man/woman to marry a Non-Somali and still uphold their culture & deen. You have to understand that not only the bad apples (culture hating, deen forsaking) ones marry foreigners. There are many very educated, deen oriented, chaste, have their parents duas/blessings marry ajnabis. I don't think it's fair on those people for us to badmouth them and paint a negative picture of them just because we're too scared to accept (What Allah has made halal) throw insults at them behind behind patriotic mask. I know there are some culture hating, deen hating, Somalis who marry ajnabis for all the wrong reasons. Eg; There are some people in my peers who confined in me that they will not marry Somali. When I heard their reasons I really felt sorry for them cause I can only imagine the surprises they'll be presented with once they get hitched. Even though I don't condone all their reasons for not wanting to marry Somalis...but I certainly understand where they're coming from... here are some reasons they didn't want to marry a Somali... 1 They told me they don't expect much from Somali men (as they will most likely end up a single mom if they were to end up with one)... 2.. Most Somali men don't want to grow old with their wife. Married....gone...single mom (is the norm it seems...etc.. They marry for the wrong reasons, not to fulfill half of their Imaan as Islam says or to be a long lasting companion to their spouse. 3.. Somali men don't want to be men! Instead of providing for their wives they rather let them go on benefit even when the women aren't entitled hence they're lawfully married (they will encourage them to seek aid through benefit, make a false claim such as ;they're divorced/even widowed in some cases when they're not subhanaAllah. (Spineless, and I think this is the root of all downfalls in our communities. 4..Have you ever seen a Somali man in court demanding his rights to see his child, like other cultures do when they father a child? Hardly. Most of the Somali women who are single moms have to beg their men to come see their children (like it or not..but it's a fact). Do some exist that voluntarily without being pressured want to be part of their kids lives? Yes..but they're hardly non-existent. We seem to be a culture that takes enormous pride in the number of children we have but sadly most of those kids are only raised by their mothers. I don't even know why I'm saying sadly, cause Walahi the Somali women have fulfilled both the father and mothers position and they are also supporting the fathers of their children, looking after them. They are superwoman. But their daughters...Aren't having it. And I don't blame them. I better stop don't want it to turn into a book lol. If you wanna marry some dhagax or cadaan or whatnot, its your choice, but don't try to push your mix-breeding agenda on us.

The amount of atheist's on this forum is disgusting, I don't understand how SOL can give them a platform to spread their ideas.

*Blessed;868311 wrote: I agree with you Chimera. Narniah, I don't know where you live but your post is full of generalisations. I personally respect peoples choices but it is silly when one sets out to lie about a whole community and exaggerate the qualities of others to justify marriage choices, you really don't need to do that. Well said.

Chimera;868204 wrote: Narniah all that self-justification is unneccesary, if a revert tickles your fancy, then be content, no need to second guess your preference or generalize a group of men who have historically been credited as champions of Islam. Its not reverts that quadrupled the attendancy levels of mosques all across the west, its Somali men. Its not reverts that are building major new ones, its Somali men. Its not reverts who put their weight behind the first muslim senator in America and got him elected, its Somali men. Its not reverts changing the perception of muslims in the west, its Somali men like Mo Farah. Your not 'seeing a rise' in Somali men 'on the deen lately', your just seeing another generation growing up, that's called the cycle of life. There is no threat to the average Somali male coming from any community, we'll be 45 million strong in a few decades, so our numbers are growing healthy, and plenty of sisters will always be available to Somali men even if they become atheists, buddhists or scientologists, their is no competition whatsoever. Somali women's affection for Somali men goes deeper than religion, its primal attraction lol, so how about we stop pretending we need to 'fix-up' when whatever issues the community is facing involves all members, including dumarka! Well said, all these talk about " A religious guy" is all nonsense. I doubt I have ever seen a revert with the same knowledge as some of the Somali brothers who I have seen, yet some deluded Xalimo's go on about Some Revert who just reverted yesterday, can't even put two words together. 'At the end of the day it comes to a lack of self esteem, many of those Xalimos don't get enough attention from Somali guys, so they feel unwanted and are ready to jump on anyone who gives them a sec of attention.

Its mostly the parents fault, its no use bringing kids into these environments and not giving them proper guidance. If they feel their kids are going down hill, they should move away.

Abu-Salman;863893 wrote: "Somali" as identity has always been fluid, so do being "French" or "American": Islam has been the central core defining element in that identity in the sense that Islamised locals or "Gallas" (Oromos) became Somalis and migrants from Asia (mostly Arabs, but also Persians etc) were absorbed once settled. This is replicated again for say Arabs, who have always absorbed substantial Persian and other elements etc but also sub-continental Indians, N. Africans or Europeans to take the most blatant cases of constant "fluidity", all groups with significant Arab and ancient Iranian blood (maybe you are acquainted with Dr Yusuf kariye take on clans artificiality too). Theory aside, I'm glad you found "home" and settled; I'm just unsure whether there is any difference between Jabuuti, Hargeysa or Xamar, as all children relatives from all those place simply claim "Somalia" (likewise for many adults). You seem to be on crack, We are Somalis, obviously you are anti Somali and try to discredit the Somali identity for your political gain,

Heres one, *** as in *** Hiddink, is a name, I think its short for Gustavo.

Isra;863514 wrote: Daqane and Narniah great points ! Rampage, well you living upto your name, quit making a mess of my topic! Guzel, I am glad it worked out for you hun Obviously some people don't like to hear the truth, sadly some men have became more feminine then the females. In regards to this website singles thing, its just sad, lame and full of dangers.

Daqane;863483 wrote: This exactly the small minded, and inquisitive mentality that I was talking about, rampage is claiming to be the strong minded somali man who would never allow a sister to marry outside the community, the only way he will ensure that is if he was to marry every single one of them. If a muslim man who meets the ladies criteria be it financially, socially and otherwise he has every right according to the deen to marry her, indeed even culturally speaking somalis both male and female married outside the community, even the polity is a result of some obvious cultural, genetic and linguistic miscegenation we were never a pure race if there is ever such a thing. The other issue that we have not addressed since people keep on jumping to conclusions is that an educated somali sister might choose to use such a site if she wishes to meet a SOMALI man ready to settle down who meets her criteria, would that be better in your books? that she chose a somali on cyberspace instead of the local welfare office? Like I said as in everything how you use it depends on how halaal it is, making clear marriage is your objective and keeping the getting to know you period as short as possible, would in this day and age be one of the few ways to meet the right person. Assuming you work hard and have goals in life for yourself and your future family, you can quickly find yourself in a situation both male and female where the choices are limited in which ever area you live in, of muslims let alone somali's, why should you draw the line at getting your finances right online, debating people on line forums, doing your shopping online e.t.c and then draw the line at meeting a suitable pool of potential mates who are in a muslim forum for marriage online! The net is here embrace it already only the other hundreds of millions have done so, the indian muslim community as well as the arab communitys have very active marriage sites, members are often better educated and proactively searching for muslim spouses from their community or the greater ummah! and this alpha blondy maxaad tahaay horta, all your posts vacillate between venomous statements like what you just posted, patronising statements [equally venomous], or boring brown nosing of who and who you have met on this forums in real life, otherwise we can expect screeds of the latest dense prose on what ever conspiracy you are educating as on , have you never met evil people in real life wedding and gas stations? men who shave dreadlocks before they go to another area to get married or women who were hijabs in the morning after getting rolled out of bars, yaara fikir horta before you pour out your feelings niyoow. You are caalcaling like a girl, I am wondering maybe one of your relative is married to these ajnabis, that's why your on the defensive. I told i don't believe in finding a partner of the internet, its not part of our culture, if a girl wanted to get married she should go to her family, instead of putting her self out their like a piece of meat, encircled my hungry vultures. I don't believe a women with xishood and modesty would do it.

Narniah;863473 wrote: Somalis and their double standards. I'm sure we all know that many Somali brothers marry reverts and I don't mind one lil bit. I'm happy for them. As for the person who said Somalis in mixed marriages will regret it later in life. Are the people who marry only Somalis all happily married? Another Question I want to ask; why is most of the Somali community raised by Somali women only, where are the Somali fathers? I'm very fortunate that I was raised by both my parents and they're still married and live together alhamdulilah. If you look in the Somali community 90% of Somali households consist of a single parent. However strangely enough the men seem to still be fathering more children. Which obviously means the men are just there to make the babies but the women take care of it, raise it. 98% of these familes the parents are still married Islamically. Which makes no sense to me, cause that's not even allowed in Islam. If you exceed a certain length of time away from your spouse in Islam the marriage is declared void unless you have a valid reason. You want to know why some young people are so adamant to marry out the community, all you gotta do is pay a close look at your community and see what they're choosing not to become. A lot of Sister's weren't raised by their father, so who are they suppose to look up to and what men will they pick as a husband, when their fathers were never present in their lives. I think there are many underlying issues that we that we blatantly seem to be avoiding collectively, its about time we quit being in denial if we want to see change that is. That's just generalization, yes they are a lot of Somali families with out fathers, however their are many factors which contribute to this, Some their fathers died in the war, others never came to the west, and yes their are some who don't fulfill their fatherly duties. This doesn't explain why some Somali girls are willing to ditch their culture and heritage for some loser they met last week, Whats worse is that majority of them marry anything that comes their way, they have no standards what so ever. Phew, at least when Somalia becomes peaceful we don't have to deal with seeing a Somali girl with her head down behind some fat cadaan guy.

Che -Guevara;863469 wrote: Racist or no racist, marrying someone you know for week is retarded. lool

Daqane;863420 wrote: And as for some of the rasict nonsense on hear I would rather my sister marry a god fearing convert jamaican or whatever convert that has got his act together than the wasaaq that transpires as most of somali youth in the west nowadays!! The actions of the sheikh in rampages story is not islamic or humane. Talabaad we have to be honest as aliyah is, when I initially heard this stories I thought I would see our sisters on the hands of every other group the truth is, after 20 years of qaax it is still rare, and akward to see inter racial marriages in the somali community, lakiin mentalityga dadka ayaa *******, things change as an uncle of mine who was in politics who had as these things go had a particular aversion, more like a madness to a certain clan in somalia, lo and behold his daughter married one of them, I asked him in a joking manner how he allowed this to happen and his response was "I am lucky she has even brought a muslim man let alone somali!", so MMA iyo hadaladha raaqiiska naga dhaafa! The shiek did an honourable thing, he protected a sister from ruining her future. Look round europe and see the amount of Somali girls divorced by ajnabi, and no somali men would marry them. its because of weaked mind somali men like you, who would give their daughters to ajanbi that somalis have became a laughing stock with in the muslim community. If only we had the somalida hore, who had dhiig.

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;863364 wrote: Gabdhaheena qaarkood oo degan dalalkaan Galbeedka waxee noqdeen kuwa ugu sahlan si sahlan lagu guursado by non-Soomaalis. Years ago, probably in 2000, I think, at a Soomaali masaajid in Toronto. At the masaajid, there was a big muxaadaro, a huge gathering of Soomaalida. Last day of muxaadarada, after the end of a break, a convert walked to where wadaadada were seated at. He talked to the moderator, told him that he is a Jameykan convert and is seeking to marry a Soomaali 'sister.' And since there is a huge gathering, he might have a chance to find his future wife right on there. He requested if the moderator can announce it on the public speaker so the everyone can hear it. The moderator was a bit reluctant. However, he didn't want to offend him and briefly mentioned his request. That was it. He thought it would end right there. Unfortunately, it didn't. After the muxaadaro, to the big surprise and chagrin of the wadaado, there were notes passed to them at the office, with names and telephone numbers on them by the Soomaali sisters. The notes were for the converted dude who was seeking to marry a Soomaali sister. They all planned to marry him. Without even seeing him. Without even knowing wuxuu yahay. But the wadaado were wise men who believed in Soomaalinimo. They discarded the notes. Maxee kugu taalaa hee, the converted dude got wind of it. He went to the office, hungry and accusing wadaadada being 'racist' and whatnot. He stormed out and left masaajidka. Marka some of our sisters dhulka ayee isdhigeen, diintana qalad ka fahmeen. But many of them wey ka shalaayaan in the end markee guursadaan dadka sidaas camal ah. Damn that's desperation their. I think we have to fix these kind of issues in our society as a community, or else its going to reflect badly in the future. What i don't understand is why don't these girls turn to their families for help them finding a good husband, their properly thinking my family is going to bring me an FOB ( sad thinking).

Isra;863302 wrote: lol erm...what about the guys?! are they also declining in modesty...?! dude thats a double standard. A guy who goes on these website is just plain sad, with the amount of girls available now days.

Isra;863297 wrote: an odd way for sure! but degrading..na i disagree....there are many more women/men who degrade themselves in by doing loads of clubing and other stuff that is beneth the behaviour of a practising muslim/muslima Yes their is, however we have a culture and tradition, if a female wants to get married she should go to her family if she can't find a suitable partner her, and not display her self on some website, begging for a husband. I think its just a decline in modesty.