Chimera;883504 wrote: Those typical cities had several centuries of uninterrupted development, not to mention access to immense wealth be it through colonialism or financial capital. Majority of our heavy infrastructural projects commenced post-independence, and majority of it through loans. We were just getting started. Agreed. Then perhaps we should hold-off all the accolades for Xamar UNTIL Xamar reaches the developmental stage of those cities, don't you agree with me? I agree Xamar has the potential to be special city, a great city, one that can rival other world capitals but it is not there yet. And it won't get there for the next 50 or so years at the very least. In the meantime we should refrain from hyperbole and concentrate on how we can rebuild this city into something greater than it ever was. Chimera;883504 wrote: In terms of electrification. there was a positive trend as the figure doubled between 1980 and 1985. A good system was in place, only more power was needed for the national grid. Here is where the multiple planned 15MW/30MW steam and thermal power plants would have shown their worth. More importantly, a bigger project was greenlit in the form of the 105MW Bardera dam. This would have secured our energy needs well into the late 1990s, before more sizable projects would be connected to the grid. My memories of Somalia/Xamar date back to only mid-to-late 1980s as I was too young to remember anything before that. I succinctly remember more nights without any lighting than nights with lighting. If power supply was that bad in the late 1980s, I don't know how you can say it was improving. And 105 MW is paltry sum for a national capital with more than a million people, assuming the infrastructure was ever developed to get the power from Baardheere all the way to Xamar. I know there were many extenuating circumstances such as development of the city outpacing the capacity of the government to provide services but at the very least I expect more for the claims being made. Chimera;883504 wrote: BS, there were 3 heavy-lift cranes weighing between 30 to 90 ton. Not to forget in 1990 three state-of-the-art HMK 90 cranes were ordered to be used by the Somali Port Authority. Are you talking about improvised cranes that you find in small ports or traditional cranes specifically designed to off-load cargo containers? If the latter, have any pictures? Chimera;883504 wrote: More entitlement, how dare they make you walk a hundred meters to the entrance lol. There were no jet bridges, because the airport wasn't even equipped to handle that yet. The typical airport with such a feature is a multi-storeyed one. Considering Mogadishu's growth and relative popularity with expats and tourists, a new airport would have most likely been greenlit in the 90s or early 00s had the war not destroyed the state and the city. I want Xamar with decent sewage system, storm drain system so that streets and neighborhoods aren't flooded after heavy rains, sewage and water treatment plants, garbage collection and disposal system, well lit streets with names and numbered houses/buildings so that when I want to visit my grandma Ceebla' Goodir I can input her address into GPS system, I want reliable and steady supply of electricity and water, I want parks, museums, art galleries and other cultural attractions, I want to see an actual plan for Xamar's development rather than allowing everyone to build where they like... these expectations are reasonable with not a whiff of entitlement. If we settle for mediocrity that is what we'll get.

Maaddeey;883432 wrote: ^^ Xamaali Furdo maa eheyd adi?. Sidee furda kaga mid noqon karaa haddi goortii Xamar igu dambeysey aa ahaay cunug oo wili qaangaarin? Ninyahow ma is tiri taageerashada Alshabaab gaaraadka ee xooga wax u dhimaan?

*Ibtisam;883423 wrote: Akhas all that calcal for a married loser farah. iiiish yaa kab kula dhac. At 19, what are you even doing running in the same circles as old washed married dudes. Bal eega gardarradan kas iyo maaga ah! What makes a married Faarax a loser? As a 3 naagoodle, let me assure you that married Faaraxs are true salt of the earth. I used to be 4 naagoodle till I divorced my 4th wife, the ugly one, for domestic abuse. Like that Somali maahmaah, the uglier the she donkey the nastier the kick, she had this nasty habit of kicking me in her sleep. She claimed she was unaware but I think the qumiyada was doing it on purpose. One night she kicked me so hard that I fell off the bed. That is when I said enough and is enough and I called the police telling them this qumayo beat me up. Since then I had tons of barely legal Xalimos throwing themselves at me not only because I'm smashingly handsome with deep pockets and sport a wicked swag as I sashay about my ways in town but also because I'm already taken. Women/girls are attracted to married men for same reason they're attracted to bad boys - the thrill or the chase. Laballavida, you're 19 and not married yet? What are you waiting for? If you're not married by 16 you're old. Actually you're worse than old, you're what Somalis call Guumeys go ask your elders if you don't know what that means. I suggest you accept this dude's overtures right away and get married before it is too late or if you're gonna do the dirty deed do it safely.

Perpetuation of this sleezy dance also runs the risk of turning otherwise straight men into flaming homos. What man of healthy libido would not be disgusted with and lose all interest in women after watching Xaliimo awkwardly performing niiko?

Apophis;883390 wrote: You want advice about a man's intentions from a female? That's recipe for a disaster. Bal u sheeg. And the other thing, we men pay for it one way or the other. Whether it is marriage or bribing them with gifts and fancy dinners our bank accounts are always plundered all for the thing between their legs.

^That last one is OK looking but is that a mole under the right nostril? A big turn off! And her lips are asymmetrical. BTW, what is this shid? Why are you guys posting pics of some random chics, a lot of them average looking if I may add? Nimanyahow ha na ceebeen. Haddii kuwaan fildaran ama average ah aa uga wacdaan qurux, yaa naga celin doona kuwa dhabta u foolxun?

Cities have been built, destroyed and rebuilt again since time immemorial, Mogadishu is no different. But please spare us the hyperbole about glorious Mogadishu. Event in its heyday Xamar was a shidhole of city despite its natural beauty. I actually lived there unlike many of you and let me tell that much of what we take for granted in the typical city in Europe, N. America, Australia, et al wasn't available in Xamar. Power was intermittent at best so generators were common place. Ditto with water, most people relied on water delivered on donkey carts or trucks. Telephone and postal system were virtually non-existent. The seaport had no cranes for unloading cargo containers and no handling and storage capacity of those containers. The airport had only 1 runway with no taxiway whatsoever, no jet bridges and of course the actually airport building looked like some kind of Mausoleum.

Just ban Xalimos who embarrass niiko with their gross incompetence. Everytime I see Xalimo doing niiko I can't help but think of Giraffe in a skating ring. Niiko should only be done by people who brought it to Somalia.

Maarodi;882103 wrote: They get accepted only because a race "quota" has to be fulfilled. There's also a side effect where black kids aren't really sure if they got accepted because of their grades and their level of competitiveness or because of the need to fill a "quota" which isn't a good thing. But the history of America is one where White people were given everything not because they were the most qualified but because they were White. That history hasn't adversely affected Whites one iota so why should "filling quota" affect minorities? Do you think G. W. Bush got into Yale based on qualifications?

Xaaji Xunjuf;882160 wrote: Raamsade genetics tells us a whole different story languages evolve through out the years you cannot base ethnic origins based on that or culture. There are many cases similar to that of the Scottish who carry the Haplogroup H (mtDNA) While their southern English cousins mostly carry the Haplogroup R1b. The same with the Bihir Tigryans of Eritrea who speak the same language as the tigryans of Ethiopia yet come from different ethnic backgrounds. If you closely read what you have posted it tells you only that 15% Y chromosomes from Eurasia and approximately 5% from sub-Saharan Africa when it comes to the Somalis but it doesn't go further into the oromo genetics which in reality is much and much closer to the Amhaaras.The only thing that makes Somalis and oromos close is the faith of Islam and the branch of the cushetic language but not genetics. Yes, languages evolve but they do not lose traces of their origin. Take the Romance Languages as an example. All modern Romance languages - Italian, Spanish, Portoguese, Romanian and French - descended from a single language, Latin of ancient Rome. After the demise of the Roman Empire these respective communities became separated for myriad of reasons. This separation and isolation caused slight evolution in ancient Latin into these modern languages. The English and the Scots are not of the same origin, so why do you expect them to carry the same paternal markers? How many English are named Ferguson or Argyle? Regarding the 15% Y-chromosome from Eurasia, this is a misnomer because the particular haplogroup involved, T, is originally African and the people the carried it to "Eurasia" were black Africans like us as there were no "Asians" 30,000 years ago when this mutation originated. BTW, Haplogroup T is present at 18% Cameroon, how do you explain that? Oh, in Cameroon, R1b, the marker for Western Europeans, is also present. How would interpret these results? Most studies I've seen show Oromos with more than 50% E1b1, same as haplogroup as Somalis. Here is study although a bit dated: Figure 1 shows that virtually all of our Ethiopian YAP+ Y chromosomes fall into either haplotype 16, characterized only by the PN2 mutation (Hammer et al 1997), or the M35-related haplotypes 17, 18, and 19. A new M35 haplotype (haplotype 21) was observed in two Oromo. This is defined by the G→A transition (M281 in fig. 1) at position 280 within the sequence-tagged site containing the M67 and M68 mutations associated with Group VI, which were described by Underhill et al. (2000). Noteworthy is the particularly high frequency of haplotype 18, defined by M78, which also characterizes most of the European YAP+ chromosomes (O.S., unpublished data), and the absence of the haplotype 20, identified by the M81 mutation, which is the most frequent M35 lineage in North Africa (Bosch et al. 2001). In a comparison of the different groups of Ethiopians, the Oromo show an incidence (62.8%) of the M35 cluster higher than that in the Amhara (35.4%, P<.005); the Amhara value is similar to the frequency (31.8%) found in the Ethiopian sample of Underhill et al. (2000). A consistent proportion (17.0%) of Y chromosomes belonging to the M75 cluster (haplotype 22) is a distinctive feature of the latter sample. In contrast, almost all Senegalese (98.6%) are YAP+, and the majority of them (81.3%) fall into the M2 subclade, but only one of them shows the M191 mutation (haplotype 12) (Underhill et al. 2001). This mutation accounts for ~40% of the M2 members, who are mainly Pygmies (Underhill et al. 2000). Group III is less frequent in the Khoisan (28.2%), who share with Ethiopians only the M35 haplotype 19 (10.3%). Conversely, the M2 component, which occurs at a frequency of 17.9% in the Khoisan, is virtually absent in the Ethiopians. Link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC384897/ Lastly, HLA results can not demonstrate paternal ancestry only relationship. Using HLA you can show relationship between native Indian tribes in Latin America and Africans. This is because most HLA alleles are not unique to a particular group so they can't show us who descended from who. This is why you need to cite paternal or Y-chromosome haplogroups. If you do that you'll find that Amharas, Tigre and other Semetic speaking Ethiopians have, on average, higher percentage of J haplogroup than Oromo who show greater genetic affinity to Somalis.

General Duke;882373 wrote: ^^^^You are right Mogadishu's dominant clan will have a good say on the running of the city, however the argument here is if you want fairness then the Reer Xamar (Banadiri) the clans who dominate Marka, the Somali Bantu's and D&M clans should have a fairer share of the Cities power structure. Thus out of the 16 districts of Banadir, these clans should at least have a couple of heads and deputies and so on. You're confused, aren't you? What does Reer Xamar (who exactly are you referring to?) have to do with Marka? Marka and Xamar have little to do with each other in terms of local inhabitants. Xamar is settled by a handful of migrants from the Middle East with the vast majority of the city's population being ethnic Somalis. Marka is settled another yet distinct Middle Eastern migrants comprising vanishingly small portion of otherwise largely Somali population. Bantus/Jareers are not traditional settlers of Xamar or Marka at all as they are no farms in either city. Traditional Bantu/Jareer lands are along the river banks all the way to Somali Galbeed. And what does rer Baraawe have to do with Xamar? Rer Baraawe actually are co-residents of Lower Jubba and in particular Kismaayo.

labellavida;882451 wrote: who is mossad? It is a Somali clan that live in Puntland. Their speciality is seance and talking to Jinn. They are known to play tricks on the unsuspecting.

^Astronomically but the old Somali shilling is surprisingly still in use. Chimera, remember that GDP (whether at official exchange rates or at PPP) is grossly understated for developing countries since GDP only captures market activities and totally side-steps the informal sector. The informal sector, which isn't captured by official economic activity indicators, is huge in developing countries sometimes accounting for nearly half of all economic activity. The actual GDP of our neighbours are probably double what you posted.

Xaaji Xunjuf;882131 wrote: Its also not true that oromos and Somalis share the same genetics this has been proven Can you back this up with hard evidence? Here is a study by Sanchez, et al: Abstract We genotyped 45 biallelic markers and 11 STR systems on the Y chromosome in 201 male Somalis. In addition, 65 sub-Saharan Western Africans, 59 Turks and 64 Iraqis were typed for the biallelic Y chromosome markers. In Somalis, 14 Y chromosome haplogroups were identified including E3b1 (77.6%) and K2 (10.4%). The haplogroup E3b1 with the rare DYS19-11 allele (also called the E3b1 cluster italic gamma) was found in 75.1% of male Somalis, and 70.6% of Somali Y chromosomes were E3b1, DYS19-11, DYS392-12, DYS437-14, DYS438-11 and DYS393-13. The haplotype diversity of eight Y-STRs ('minimal haplotype') was 0.9575 compared to an average of 0.9974 and 0.9996 in European and Asian populations. In sub-Saharan Western Africans, only four haplogroups were identified. The West African clade E3a was found in 89.2% of the samples and the haplogroup E3b1 was not observed. In Turks, 12 haplogroups were found including J2*(xJ2f2) (27.1%), R1b3*(xR1b3d, R1b3f) (20.3%), E3b3 and R1a1*(xR1a1b) (both 11.9%). In Iraqis, 12 haplogroups were identified including J2*(xJ2f2) (29.7%) and J*(xJ2) (26.6%). The data suggest that the male Somali population is a branch of the East African population – closely related to the Oromos in Ethiopia and North Kenya – with predominant E3b1 cluster italic gamma lineages that were introduced into the Somali population 4000–5000 years ago, and that the Somali male population has approximately 15% Y chromosomes from Eurasia and approximately 5% from sub-Saharan Africa.

Xaaji Xunjuf;882127 wrote: Actually most oromos and Amhaaras dont differentiate so much from each other dont be fooled by languages and cultural difference between oromos and Amhaaras.. Genetically they are much and much closer to each other There were some studies done before the Haplagroup e1b1b was approxtmalty 57% found on oromos and Amhaaraas this haplagroup originates from Ethiopia as the studies say. Reason why is that many Amahaaras became oromos and many oromos became Amhaara.The J1 is also found but in much smaller number in both oromos and Amhaaras and gurages, Ethiopian Ethnic groups are not black an white 150 years ago the oromos in shewa danced as traditional oromos now they dance as the Amhaaras Of course the Amharas and Oromos who live near each other exhibit greater genetic and cultural affinities. That is expected. For example the long-time residents of London will demonstrate greater genetic affinity than compared to the long-time residents of Bristol despite both cities being located in Southern England. The reason for this is the fact that these respective communities have intermarried amongst each other at greater frequencies than they have married outsiders. But that tells us nothing about their ancestory which is what we're talking. Ancestory and genetic (or cultural) similarities are two different things. Amharas and Oromo have distinct ancestory and this is backed up recent genetic studies. Remember language and genetics tell us pretty much the same thing. Long before genetic studies became common place, linguists have been saying Somalis and Oromos along with Afars share common ancestory. Modern genetics confirms this. Can you cite a single instance where linguistic predictions and genetics conflict? I can't think of any.

Al Xaanji Xunjuf, L2a1 is maternal haplogroup not paternal which is what you need to cite for the purposes of establishing ethnicity. Paternally, the highlanders (Amhaars, Tigre and few others) are genetically distinct from lowlanders like Oromo and the myriad of other ethnicities. By and large the Oromo and Afar are genetically very close to Somalis and other Cushites as they should be based on culture, language, religion, etc.

Xaaji Xunjuf;882095 wrote: Cushitic and Semitic are languages last time i checked its not how people look They also connote ethnicity. For example, Cushites are united by Haplogroup E1b1b, the predominate haplogroup in Eastern Africa where most Cushitic speaking people live. Where as Semites are united by J haplogroup even the semites of Ethiopia (Amxaar, Tigre, etc) have high percentages of J haplogroup mixed with other ethnicities.

Oba Hiloowlow, waa iga naxisey ninyahow. Ma dadkii aa Hiiraan ku bari jirey in musuqsha (toilet) ee eheen ceel biyo laga cabo aa wax ku darsanaa? Agga, Awoowgaa gub, dhulkaan waa dhul aaran oo guri walbe ceel baa ku yaala! Markaas aa ku oran jirey war jooga musqusha ceel ku ma yaalo ee ha cabin biyahaas.

Maarodi, I'm deeply worried about you and Showqi with all this talk of protecting these gaalo. We are Somalis we don't respect no body unless they're tolka. I can assure you eeydan qoyan iyo nijastooda in dalka waxba ku yeelan doonin. Like that exceedingly daft Kacaan song used to go: dilla gaalada, gaalshire ku tuura, gowraca (why would you throw a dead corpose in a jail only to take it out and then behead it? Dumb Somalis never think do they?).

Abwaan;882104 wrote: Gabbal intee ka baxday? I know inaysan dhalashadaadii ahayn ee warka soo daa! Gaalshire ayuu ku jiraa ka dib markii deriska uga waceen policeka ee ka seexan waayeen durbaan tunkii iyo gaardiskii dabbaaldega kacaanka. Waxaa la leeyahay waa laga kari waayey Gabbal in tuutaha laga siibo ilaa iyo hadda ama in laga fujiyo sawirka Siyaad Barre oo fooda ku dhajistey.

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Spitting everywhere; don't the mofos know that that spitting is one of the quickest ways to spread communicable diseases like TB?

But Chimera Somalia's economy in the 1980s was buoyed by a gargantuan foreign aid. I once read somewhere that Somalia was, on per capita basis, the highest net Official Development Assistance (ODA) recipient. How much of those of economic indicators are true reflection of economic activity and how much is reflection of bloated assistance?

I'm confused about this Taleexi fella. He's hopping from thread to thread posting smileys only (should be bannable offense in my books). And then he perplexes us with his nickname and location. What's the connection between Taleex and Marka? How can one be Taleexi and still be from Marka?

^LOL Jacpher, people in cold climates HAVE to wear lots of clothing else they run the risk of dying or getting seriously ill from exposure to the extreme cold. So the advantages of wearing extra clothing in cold climates far, far outweigh the risks of dying from bullet wounds because of the difficulty of removing excess clothing. The converse is NOT true in the case of Somalia. For one thing, Somalia is extremely hot so why wear so much clothing?