So the majority of those in hell won't be women? That is a relief 'cause I was looking forward to going to hell as Islam's depiction of heaven is one helluva boring place. I mean imagine a heaven with neighbours like Ceyrow, Abu Mansuur, D. Aweys, Zarqawi, Bin Laden, the Pope, or the mind-numbingly boring crowd that post in SOL's Islam section. Hell is the place to be in the after life. It is where all the interesting and fun people -- the Wright Brothers, Einstein, Ina Xagaa Dheer, Socrates (footballer), L. Armstrong, etc -- will be. It is nice to hear that it will not full of bunch of nagging, dithering, chatty, insecure, bubblehead women.

^arrooy, adna asi maxaa ku dabadhigey? Ama dhibicdaada meeshan ku reebo ama iska aamus. LOL@Shaarboy. But seriously, someone needs to remind this little girl that her veiled threats are unbecoming of respectable Somali girl not to mention being uncool, unattractive and foreign.

Che -Guevara;751078 wrote: Naxar...The Oromo numerical superiority doesn't make the source but their language and ours do originate from the roots, and their geographical proximity along with Afar, Sidamo does lend credibility to the theory these languages and people are closely related despite the vastness of the land. There is no doubt that Somalis share a common ancestor with Oromos, Afars and other Lowland Cushitic speaking people. You only need to consider the eerie linguistic and cultural resemblences. But Somalis didn't "descend" from Oromos or Afar or whoever. Somalis, Oromos, Afars, etc share a common ancestor. Recent genetic studies all but close this chapter once and for all. "In Somali males, 14 haplogroups were identified. The frequency of the clade E3b was 81.1%, including 77.6% of the haplogroup E3b1 defined by the M78 mutation. The Eurasian haplogroup K2 (*via Egypt*) was found in 10.4%, and 3.0% of the Somali Y chromosomes belonged to the major clade J (*Arab*). Only 3.0% of the Somalis had the sub-Saharan African haplogroups A3, B and E3a*(xE3a4)[bantu]. Less than 2.0% of the Somalis belonged to the Northwest African E3b2 lineage." "...By defining the ancestral haplotype as that with the modal allele for each STR system and calculating the average squared distance41 as well as the variance between this haplotype and other variants, we estimated the time back to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCA). In Somalis, the TMRCA was estimated to be 4000–5000 years for the haplogroup E3b1 cluster italic gamma and 2100–2200 years for the haplogroup K2 assuming a generation time of 25 years." "In conclusion, the data suggest that the male Somali population is a branch of the East African population – closely related to the Oromos in Ethiopia and North Kenya (Boranas) – with predominant E3b1 cluster italic gamma DYS392-12 lineages that probably were introduced into the Somali population 4000–5000 years ago, approximately 15% Y chromosomes from Eurasia and approximately 5% from sub-Saharan Africa. Work is in progress in order to study closely related populations with new informative markers to obtain a better understanding of the E3b1 lineages settlement process in East Africa." There are other studies that pretty much corroborate this study. Source: http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v13/n7/full/5201390a.html#tbl4

burahadeer;750955 wrote: you dhaqancelis r funny.There are many words they both use,besides most words you picking are either arabic,english or italian. Somali in it's purest form is found in Berbera Good point. A lot of the words are actually synonyms. Virtually every Somali knows that Cadceed and Qorax mean the same thing. Anyways, here are some words that I'd like to know their equivalents: Qorraxsin-Galbeed? Gabbaad-Hooy? Aafee-dhibatee/gumaad? Jiin-Gees? Hanqal-Xabad/shaf? Miriq-? Caseeye-? Gorgor-? Hanaqaad-Qaangaar? Marras-? Godob-Maseer/Hinaas? Qowlaysato-Shufto? Quud-Dheef? Derin-?

Sultan Dheere, wlc to the forum. Don't let people discourage you from having doubts. Doubting is good. In fact, doubting is liberating. When you have doubts you're not longer hemmed in by dogma or social pressures. With doubts you can expand your wings and explore the stupendously endless posibilities the world offers. Doubt is the product of overactive brain. The average person is too stupefied to have doubts so you're exceptional in that regard. You'll eventually make the right choices.

Sounds like you need a boyfriend and maybe a couple of bottles of cold beer.

Xaawo Maxamed Hassan Aamina Faarax Cali if you believe the US government. They've been openly collecting money ostensibly for charities back in Somalis but were surreptitiously diverting the funds to Alshabaab causes. There are many more Somalis like them in the diaspora. US Tries Women Accused of Funding Somali Terror Group VOA News The trial has begun for two American women charged with raising money and recruiting fighters for the Somali militant group al-Shabab. Jury selection began Monday in the U.S. city of Minneapolis for the trial of 35-year-old Amina Farah Ali and 64-year-old Hawo Mohamed Hassan. Prosecutors say the women, who are both of Somali descent, collected money from the Minnesota Somali community to send to the al-Qaida-linked group. The U.S. government says it wiretapped Ali's home and cellular phones over a 10-month period, monitoring some 30,000 calls. Court documents say investigators also searched the trash outside Ali's apartment dozens of times. The two women have claimed they were soliciting money from the Somali community for charitable causes. But prosecutors claim the money was used to help at least 20 men travel from Minnesota to Somalia to join al-Shabab. Ali and Hassan are accused of conspiracy to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization. Ali faces an additional 12 counts for allegedly sending more than $8,600 to al-Shabab beginning in 2008. The women are among 20 people accused of taking part in the scheme to support the group. Some of them have pleaded guilty, while others await trial or remain fugitives. Al-Shabab is fighting to overthrow Somalia's fragile transitional government in a bid to impose a strict form of Sharia, or Islamic law. The group recently pulled its fighters from the Somali capital of Mogadishu but continues to hold large sections of southern and central Somalia.

As much as I find Vuvuzelas jarring and annoying, I'd keep it since it was an initiative of the host country and the fans have really embraced it.

Originally posted by Positive: Why the presenter of video who happens to be Bruce Lipton is not in the peer-refereed academic journals is open for debate and personally I honor your views about him. I understand that he is crackpot for you but I may not share that view with you. See? Why he hardly has any papers in peer-refereed scientific journals is because he is not engaged in science but pseudoscience. It's that simple. Furthermore, he is not a crackpot to me alone but to many of his colleagues as well. No one important takes him seriously. You and I are probably not in best place to judge him but his colleagues are and their shunning of him speaks for itself. Originally posted by Positive: As he claims he compiled different scientific findings about cellular biology for the past fifteen years ( before 2000) and in effect proposed new scientific paradigm namely that perception or belief governs the expression of the genes not the other way. That is what all crackpots say. They all claim they're misunderstood geniuses who figure it all out. But to any skeptical mind, the holes in his claims are readily apparent. First, there is no known mechanism of how our "feelings/beliefs" affect (change) our genes. He didn't present any mechanism neither have you elaborated on any either. Without articulating the mechanisms first, he forfeits the right to be taken seriously. Second, our feelings or beliefs are products of our brain which is itself a product of our genes. He got cart before the horse.

Before the Jihadists arrived on the scene, Somalia was drifting aimlessly in the open seas vainly hoping for a bright shoreline. With the JIhadists in the ascendancy in large junks of the country and worryingly knocking on the doors in other parts, Somalia is entering a long dark night. I was just reading a horror story from Somalia in what some SOLers call Somalia's "Islamic saviors" reportedly killed two presumably free-born Somalis for watching the World Cup. And the man making the threats and prohibitions is named Sheikh Abu Yahya Al Iraqi. What hope is there for Somalia when what appears to be Iraqi fugitive is telling free-born Somalis what they can't watch in their own country? Not even the much despised Ethiopians stooped that low.

Reality is that which is ostensive or demonstrable. In other words, there must be tangible evidence for something to be real. We humans get to experience reality through our senses (there are more than 5, btw). Without our senses, we can't perceive reality. This has already been demonstrated with the administration of psychoactive drugs to humans resulting in their inability to tell reality from mere hallucinations. The state of our senses obviously determines how well we perceive reality. When our senses are inhibited, our perception of reality is poor. Corollary to this is our senses don't determine or create reality. Reality is separate and independent from us humans. A tree that falls in a forest doesn't require human attendance to see or hear or sense it in anyway for its fall to be a reality. It fell, making noise as it came down crashing, regardless of our ability to perceive reality. And how do we know the tree fell in the forest? Evidence. That is the standard by which we normally judge reality. The video falls short of that standard by wide margins. It commits the classic fallacy of Arguing from Ignorance. This is the type of fallacious reasoning where someone claims something is unknown or unknowable and then immediately makes a bold claim to know the unknowable or unknown. If somethings are imperceptible, how did you come to know that in the first place? I asked you that question and have yet to receive an answer. It is like saying no one knows where Abigail Sunderland is but she is in Mexico. If I had uttered such thing, you'd dismiss it is empty talk devoid of any logic. I feel the same about the video you posted. BTW, you said our sense are poor instruments to tell "true nature of creation or the Creator," ignoring for a moment the fact that you're committing another logical fallacy called Begging the Question, pray tell what are the good instruments then? Mysticism? Magical thinking? So-called "holy books" that reek of human artifice?

^And you need more nuance and context. First, there is nothing wrong with running anti-Islam Ad campaign any more than there is something wrong with running pro-Islam Ad campaigns. You can proselytize Islam just as you can campaign against Islam. There is a difference between Islam and Muslims. Islam is a set of ideas that can be supported or rejected. But you can't run Ad campaigns against Muslims. Sometimes rightwing nutjobs like Geller fail to keep the distinction between Muslims as a people and Islam as an ideology. For that reason, and among others, I don't support Pam Geller or share her views on Muslims. A little context also helps. A little while ago Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) ran pro-Islam Ad campaigns. Pam Geller and her gang are merely responding to those ads with their own anti-Islam Ads. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, no? Second, I posted the massacre at Lahore mosque to illustrate the violence visited upon Muslims groups that are deemed as "deviants." This is the crux of the matter. Islamic law clearly advocates persecution of those that committed Kufr. The punishment for apostasy is death. Many Muslims who want to leave Islam are fearful of being killed or persecuted in some form. Even those that live in the West where freedom of conscience is supported by the law. In this context, running Ads that purport to help those contemplating quitting Islam make sense and are laudable. Whether the people behind the Ad campaign are genuine is another matter. This is why I support the Ad campaign in light of the Islamic punishment for apostasy. If Islam and Muslims in general respected freedom of conscience of others to leave Islam, they'd be no need for the likes of Pam Geller.

There is no such thing as Scientific Corporate Entity. The competitive and adversarial nature of science essentially shields it from become beholden to any one entity. A lot of scientific projects and scientists are funded by government or not-for-profit organizations. Those that are funded by for-profit organizations, perform equally beneficial service. I see nothing wrong with commercialization of scientific discoveries. I'd rather have the intensely productive commercialized farming due to many scientific discoveries like pesticides, fertilizers, improved variety seeds etc than the highly unproductive subsistence farming. I think you're misinformed about science, how the peer-refereed academic journals work and do injustice to the humility and hard work of scientists. The discoverer of the polio vaccine, Dr. Jonas Salk, was asked whether who owned patent (write to profit) of the polio vaccine. He replied: "There is no patent. Could you patent the Sun?" Now, does Dr. Jonas Salk sound to you as profit-maximizing, heartless capitalist or a man of the people? Regarding Lipton, none of his extraordinary claims are backed by modern science. He proffers no mechanisms by which our "spirituality" can affect our biology. No known mechanism exists to account for his believes. To compound his problems, he doesn't seem to do any real science work. When the last time he was published in scientific journals? For that reason he is a crackpot.

The question is contradiction in terms. If something is imperceptible or inconceivable, how did you come to know of that imperceptibility or inconceivability in the first place?

This thread has exposed the true nature of many Jihadi wannabes: boorish, benighted, hypocritical, mendacious, crass (what's with the xaar business?), duplicitous etc. It's been illuminating yet disturbing.

Originally posted by nuune: ^^ RAAMSADE Wax dhintey baad tahay, oo u baahan rescue, you have being given the platform to air your silly posts doesn't mean you have to mock Allah and call names, This is called the Glenn Beck Syndrome (GBS for short). You sound like Glen Beck accusing President Obama of hating white people. Every honest and right-thinking person knows that Glenn is merely projecting his own hatred of black people onto President Obama. It is your own prejudice and hatred against Somalis who don't share your views that is mocking and disrespectful. Nothing I've written can be remotely interpreted as "mocking" by ANY rational and unbiased being. You exhibit the same mentality that destroyed Somalis -- the insatiable drive to monopolize everything for a limited group be it your clan or your family or your coreligionists. Let go of this provisional and chauvinistic mindset and embrace pluralism. The sooner you accept Somalis who different from you in believes, political views, clan extraction, sexual orientation or whatnot, the sooner these perceived slights against your "God" will disappear. The quote below essentially bears out everything I've written above. Originally posted by nuune: But you are a Somali atheist, which is a sad story, Why is it sad to be Somali atheist? What happened to respecting other people's believes (or lack of)?

I posted the above story to illustrate the real danger many heretical and former Muslims face. Some groups take it upon themselves in implementing Islamic laws regarding heretics and apostates. In case you don't know, the punishment for apostasy or kufr in Islam is death. There is a long laundry list of what comprises Kufr ranging from denying the prophethood of Mohammed to bidca/innovation to outright apostasy. The massacre at Lahore mosque clearly demonstrates the precarious position many former and heretical Muslims face. It is not imagined or false concoction of "Islamophobes" to say that Muslims intending to leave Islam need assistance since significant proportion of Muslims, even those in the West, persecute apostates. Pam geller is right-wing nutjob. But even a broken watch is right twice a day. While much of what she says about Muslims and Islam can be dismissed as grotesque caricatures and bigoted, she is absolutely right on this particular issue. Regrettably, many Muslims prefer wallowing in victimhood rather than facing reality and marginalizing extremists in their community who give the rest of them a bad image.

Attackers Hit Mosques of Islamic Sect in Pakistan By WAQAR GILLANI and JANE PERLEZ Published: May 28, 2010 LAHORE, Pakistan — Hafeez Malik heard the gunfire outside the mosque, then shots inside the prayer hall. Related The Lede: Video and Blogging From Lahore Under Attack “People were dying one after the other,” said Mr. Malik, a 55-year-old architect. “I could count more than 20 people dead around me.” From inside another mosque several miles away near the central train station, his brother, Abdul Rashid Malik, 65, an engineer, called his family on his cellphone. He was a hostage and had been shot in the leg, he said. He has not been heard from since, Hafeez Malik said. More than 80 worshipers of a minority Muslim sect, the Ahmadis, were killed and more than 110 wounded Friday in a coordinated assault by seven well-trained attackers on two mosques in Lahore, Pakistan’s second largest city, the authorities said. At the mosque known as Dar-ul-Zakir, near the train station, two attackers blew themselves up inside the prayer hall after spraying the congregation with bullets, police officers said. The target was the Ahmadis, a group of about two million Muslims in Pakistan who are considered heretical by many mainstream Muslims because the Ahmadis believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who founded their movement in 1889, was the messiah foretold by Muhammad, the prophet of Islam. There are sizable communities of well-educated Ahmadis in the United States, Britain and other parts of the Muslim diaspora. The assault, which began during Friday Prayer and lasted more than three hours at the Dar-ul-Zakir Mosque, and about an hour at the Bait-ul-Noor Mosque, occurred amid a surge of sectarian violence in Pakistan in the last two years. Minority sects like the Ahmadis and the Shiites and have come under increasing pressure as religious extremism has taken hold, fomented by sectarian groups like Jaish-e-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, formerly state-sponsored organizations. In an unusually strong statement, the American ambassador to Pakistan, Anne W. Patterson, said Pakistan, an ally of the United States, had witnessed an increase in “provocative statements that promote intolerance and are an incitement to extremist violence.” The Ahmadis were declared a non-Muslim minority in the 1970s during the rule of the military dictator Muhammad Zia ul-Haq, a period during which jihadist ideology became ingrained in Pakistan’s state and religious education system. The minister of law in Punjab Province, which includes Lahore, the capital, said that in the days before their assault, the attackers stayed with the Tablighi Jamaat, a Muslim missionary group that is often described by terrorism experts as the antechamber to the Taliban and Al Qaeda. The headquarters of the Tablighi Jamaat are in Raiwind, a town on the outskirts of Lahore. The minister, Rana Sana Ullah Khan, said he believed that the attackers, who operated as commandos, throwing hand grenades and firing automatic weapons, had been trained for the task in Waziristan, the Pakistani Taliban’s base. Geo TV, a leading news channel in Pakistan, reported that members of the Punjab branch of the Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for the attacks. The Punjab branch is composed mainly of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and Jaish-e-Mohammad, which have joined forces with the Taliban. The attackers, who worshipers said were quite young, opened fire outside the mosques around 2 p.m., just as the sermons were finishing, survivors said. The assaults began within minutes of each other at the Dar-ul-Zakir Mosque near the train station and at the Bait-ul-Noor Mosque in Model Town, an upscale neighborhood where a former prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, lives. Mr. Malik, the architect, said the worshipers at Bait-ul-Noor were sitting, preparing for prayer, when three attackers burst into the prayer hall. One attacker, about 16 years old and wearing a grubby shirt and pants, was wounded and wrestled to the ground by the worshipers, he said. “I was waiting for them to come to me; I was near the front,” Mr. Malik said. “They were shooting whoever they could.” The assault at the mosque near the train station was the more audacious, the police said. One gunman mounted the minaret and traded fire with the police below. The explosion from the two suicide bombers who blew themselves up in the prayer hall there increased the number of deaths, the police said. When the police took control of the mosques, bodies were strewn across the main floors and verandas. “I saw what I would never forget,” said Waseem Ahmad, who worked as a guard at the scanner near the entrance to the Dar-ul-Zakir Mosque. “There were dead bodies everywhere, and blood was flowing everywhere.” Dozens of worshipers survived by scurrying down a narrow passage and hiding in the basement as the ordeal unfolded, said Abdul Salam Arshad, 56, a retired civil servant, who emerged unscathed from the mosque near the train station. Another survivor, Munawar Shahid, an official of the Ahmadi community, hid in his office next to the mosque during the assault. “Everybody is trying to save their life,” Mr. Shahid said on his cellphone as gunfire rattled around him. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan has regularly reported on discrimination against the Ahmadis, and has said that intolerance of them by extremists has escalated. “The extremists are not tolerating any other community, including Ahmadis, and it seems the government has failed to control them,” said I. A. Rehman, the commission’s executive director. The State Department report on human rights said this year said that 11 Ahmadis were killed last year in Pakistan because of their faith. The report said Pakistani law forbade Ahmadis to refer to themselves as Muslims or to engage in any Muslim practices, including using Muslim greetings, referring to their places of worship as mosques, or taking part in the hajj. Live broadcasts of the attacks in Lahore were notable on Friday for failing to refer to the Ahmadis as Muslims. Reporters and commentators rarely referred to the Ahmadis by name, preferring the phrase “minority community.” Source

Originally posted by LayZie G.: We should all learn to exercise some restraint when speaking of Allah or the nabi(PBUH) because words are powerful and words have consequences. Let us be frank, words have "consequences" only if you are a follower of a believe system that endorses the assassination of poets and satirists. If not then words are just words. Originally posted by LayZie G.: Its no accident that in this world, there are more believers living than there are of non-believers Ever heard of the fallacy of Argumentum Ad Populum? Originally posted by LayZie G.: and you do them disservice when you belittle their creator. Not believing and mocking are two different things, which is why I believe you have the right to question God to you heart's content and go as far as not believing "in God" but you do not have the right to mock God. What are you on about? I haven't mocked any ET. I simply expressed my views. As an atheist I believe all ETs are false and perforce imaginary. That is what I believe just like you and Nur believe there is an ET called Allah. If you're free to express your believe in Allah, should I not have the right to express mine? Mind you it wasn't I that broached the topic of Allah, it was Nur who gratuitously inserted Allah into a political discussion. I'm quite surprised about you. This is out of character behavior for you. Which leads me to suspect that you're atoning for your sins in the Holy Trinity thread. I'm strapped for time now so we'll respond to that thread another time.

Originally posted by Kashafa: ^^Al-Shabaab also has the endorsement of this non-Muslim Harvard educated executive editor. He wants them to rule over not only Somalia but the rest of East Africa too That is why he's just an editor and nothing more. Scrapping the bottom of the barrel, aren't we? Originally posted by Kashafa: The hatred that festers in your heart will only consume you, Raamsade. There is nothing you can do about the blessed reign of Islamic governance except wail and moan about it. So, um, choke on it (that isn't very charitable of me, is it ?) You're projecting your own emotional state. Hatred festers in the hearts of those who know they're peddling a pack of lies that can only be sold to others via intimidation and brutalization. You know, in your heart of hearts, that Alshabaab are a gang of pretenders and murderers. They neither have the interest of Somalis at heart nor the decency to respect our traditions. If anything they seem to be preoccupied with besmirching the memory of our forefathers. When Islam came to our shores a 1000 years ago, our forefathers took just one look at the hand-chopping, stoning, Hijab wearing provisions of Sharia and said thanks but no thanks. They took from Islam what chimed with their culture and tradition (the soft, humane, spiritual, personal Islam) and jettisoned the rest. I still would have disagreed with their choice but they would have had my respect for being independent and visionaries. Alshabaab by the same token are dull foreign stooges busy foisting on Somalis the designs and wet dreams of foreign Jihadist. We know Alshabaab's ENTIRE political plank is carbon-copy of the Taliban all the way down to their preferred attire (witness Mukhtaar Rooboow aka abu mansuur). Even their stage names are foreign sounding: abu mansuur, abu quteyba, abu this abu that. Alshabaab are not only imbued with false and dangerous ideas but they're imminent threat to our people - culturally, linguistically, economically, politically and of course mortally. I have nothing against Islamic governance provided there is actual governance. Being student of history, I know "Islamic governance" is oxymoron. In the entire 14 centuries of Islam's existence, Muslims have been unable to establish a Sharia-compliant Islamic government. You can wait another 14 centuries and you'll be no closer to Islamic governance. Of course, all this assumes Alshabaab's slaughterhouse with severed limps, chopped heads, tongues, other body parts and the disinterred remains of our ancestors is governance let alone "Islamic." Originally posted by Kashafa: Watching Somalia blossom into a thriving Islamist-ruled country under the Xukm of Allah, while you sit there and stew in a fear-filled cowardly existence as you reminice on a bygone era when your thievin' kind were drinking alcohol, raping women for kicks, teaching Marxism-Lennism, and waging a blatantly repressive anti-Islamic campaign that resulted in the murder of 11 heroic Scholars of Islam. There is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol provided you consume modestly and act responsibly. I contend that religious books can be as intoxicating as alcohol. So intoxicating that when people read them, they crash planes into buildings just like inebriate drivers crash cars. Ban holy books while flying? With respect to rape, isn't it an institution of Jihad? Aren't Muslim fighter permitted to rape female war prisoners euphemistically called those "your right hand possess" in the Quran? Correct me if I'm wrong. Regarding those bigoted and misogynistic Islamic "scholars", I'm against capital punishment. But you are for it. You probably support capital punishments for apostates like me, homosexuals, heretics, witches etc. Are you a hypocrite? May Allah have mercy on your wretched soul.

You gotta give it to Waled Abdalla -- he brought together a secessionist and NorthEasterner. Both united in their hatred for him albeit for different reasons. He's my new hero. May Allah bless his beautiful soul.

Darman is clinically insane. This is the same man that started to verbally abuse airport staff in Istanbul, requiring police involvement, because he didn't get "presidential welcome"!

Argentina looked half-decent against depleted Canada. They have awesome attacking force in: Aguerro, Tevez, Messi and Higuin. I think they have a decent chance of winning the whole thing but with Maradonna as a manager you never what you'll get. BTW, in terms of African teams only Ivory Coast has a good chance of progressing far in the tournament.

The clearest indication yet that Nur is Alshabaab -- designated international terrorist organization that took responsibility for the massacre of madina hotel in Beledweyne -- sympathizer. Alshabaab government? No wonder you're losing credibility in the eyes of SOLers.

Correction: only TRUE knowledge is power. BTW, you are aware that Lipton is a crackpot, right? None of what he espouses in those videos are published in reputable peer-refereed scientific journals.