Aishah, the wife of the Prophet, once said: "There are three persons among the Ansar whom no one could excel in virtue: Sad ibn Muadh, Usayd ibn Khudayr and Abbad ibn Bishr." After the Prophet sent the Young Musab Ibn Umayr(ra) as the first Ambassador of the Prophet to Yatrib, these three Ansari were among the first to embrace Islam, and I believe it was Sad ibn Muad, followed by Usayb then Abbad(ra). are u saying that ABU Bakr, Umar and Uthman could not excell these three men in virtue?! hmmm

[ he is as cute as ´hur al ain´ has NEVER surfaced in the Muslim world literature?] Brother Jb, the fact remains, no one has seen a hur al Ain since they are mates prepared for the people of paradise. Allah said<" Verily, those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names...While they have no knowledge thereof. They follow but a guess, and verily, guess is no substitute for the truth." Lets not guess.

Yaaa JB, who told u HUr-a-ceeen are only females? the term is the english equivilent of "mates"~ Ramaadan Karim

So a sister is not pious if she is not happy with her husband marrying a second wife? Erm, why do u feel the need to read it from this perceptive? YOu could have also added, " does a girl have to be beautiful to accept polygamy?" I think your reading too much into this, IM sure there are ugly girls with no piety who also endorse Polygamy! MY Point, if not evident is" There are plenty of fish in the sea who are pious and beautiful so do not despair?"

stoic for the correct understanding of the verse please visit www.tafsir.com ! Naasir bro, I would advice you to go for it mashallah, Polygamy is a great Nicmaa from Allah. and brother there are many beautiful, pious sisters who dont mind polygamy, i would advice you to move on if thats not for her.

Baarakallahu feeki Yaa Ukhti wallah very beneficial, another weapon to combat the neo-khawarij radicals.

Nomads As-salamu alaykum Every year Muslims around the world face the joy and (for some) trials of fasting once a month. Before its debut, zealous faitful welcome the month with open hearts exercising salutations amongst themselves. We flog to the masjid in massive numbers where as the masjid is empty for the 5 obligatory prayers, subsequently leading the same lives when ramadan passes. Is ramadan more of a cultural attitude then spiritual? Have we lost the true spiritual meaning of Ramadan? is enthusiasm and love without understanding sufficient to attain Allah's pleasure? according to one tradition, the prophet(salalahu alayhi wa salam) said" Indeed many gain nothing from ramadaan save hunger." This hadeeth sparks numerious questions: 1. why arent these people benefiting from their fast? 2. what are the criteria for a meaninful fast? 3. Is ramanda merely not eating and drinking? 4. If you sin All day is your fast really valid? So Nomads, from your own experience does Ramadan have more of a Cultural significance then spiritual? please share your thoughts...

Saxib i think u misunderstand the word. words have their linguistic and religious connontations. Manhaj; Its the methodology we utilize to construe the revealed scriptures. with that in mind, what is ur methodology? There are three essential ingridients in islam that serve a unique purpose in constructing it. 1.Tawheed(the oneness of Allah this element allows to distinguish and single out Allah's Oneness in terms of worship,attributes and lordship. 2.Qawaacid this element allows us to understand and define our creedo, the essence of our belief. 3. Manhaj this element allows to construe the text in the proper way so we understand the ayats of Alah and hadith they way they are meant to be understood,thus preventing us from use our intellect to derive ruling and meanings from our whims. this is a short glimpse,perhaps Brother NUR can start a topic on ManhaajulSaxixa and its necessity.

I'm not taking about a hidden meaning but suggesting that the numbers used are not to be taken literally. 1. The people who the Nabi(salalahu alayhi wa salam) was addressing understood it literally when they replied" who are the saved sect" 2. The Nabi understood it literally when he said" the save sect are those who are upon what I and my companions are on today" clearily distinguishin between the saved sect from the ruined sects. 3. Those who followed the companions understood it literally when they said," if Ahlul Xahith is not the saved sect, then i dont know who they are"(refer to imam Ahmed) viking this is not an issue of tawheed or aqeeda but manhaj. What is your manhaj takin the deen into consideration?

^^^ Surely, the Islam of Khayer, Salafi and the author of this article would have wiped all these people out on day one and left only the word of Allah flying high over all Muslim lands! bro where do u get the time to write all that? I have nothing against the disbelievers or living with them in peace. however imatating the them opposes the teaching of islam wheter you reside in a kafir land or not, the Same faith that took root in these lands you mentioned.

As-salamu alaykum very interesting article indeed. Subhanallah i recently read a book by Imam Dhahabi called" imitating the disbelievers" (forgot exact title) If the people were brought up with a sound manhaj Inshallah they would not have these problems. Unfortunetely Muslims in the west dont have a base to learn islam. Most of us go through youth without ever pickin up the quran or praying one single ra'ah. Is it due to our enviroment? perhaps, but our parents are doing little in promoting tawheed and an islamic home. I once imitated the disbelievers not because i loved them but i didnt know ISLAM.

Salamu alaykum Sister Ameen to your duah, I must say your idea is very romantic you are calling for the assistance and support of the Mujahedeen yet we do not know who these mujahideen are. perhaps your refering to Alqaida.

As_salamu alaykumm WOuld you consider Alqaida MUhajadeen? would you consider Shia HIzbullah muhajideeen? would you consider 9/11 jihad? would you consider the london bombin jihad? the Riyad bombin jihad?

Ngonge brother my argument is really simple, I dont want to bore you with the finer details so ill keep this short and sweet This Fatwa is extreme!!! there are more appropriate means to ward off the kufars then removing your hijab.(refer to my initial post) I dont know Dr's credentials, but many people confuse a da'ee with an Calim, a student of knoweldge who graduted from an islamic univeresity with an Calim, they differ in status. ONly an Calim is suitable to issue a fatwa of this magnitude. Ya'ani if your going to issue a fatwa for sisters to remove their hijab atleast exhaust all other options. this fatwa can only take effect on an individual basis depending on the situation and the options available. If sisters dont have any options except to unveil for the sake of survival, then so be it. Are we not allowed to eat swine when in dire need?

brother Ngonge we shouldnt completely denounce the fatwa, it simply requires a make-over. The Shaykh's fatwa lacks few essential points. 1. Emmigrate for the Sake of Allah! Refer to[4/79] 2. Remain in your houses! refer to [33:33] 3. Go out with your Mahram/Family member 4. Move to a visible Muslim community 5. Last resort; NO options available; remove Hijab,beard...ect [this fatwah is based on an individual status and can ONLY emanate from renowned Scholars]who has Ihjaz[credentials]

- The saved sect that made growing a beard and congregation prayers obligatory? - The saved sect that is the protector of a monarchy and defends despotic leaders as long as they pray? - The sect that has undone most of the work done by the Prophet SAWS in the views of women. (saying that their voice is cawra, they should wear ninqab, the yshouldn't work etc.) - The sect that calls anyone who disagrees with them heretics. This has led to great rifts within Islam in the guise of "following the Qur'an and the Sunnah". I'm gald I'm not in your "saved" sect because even the Khawarij had similar views and everyone knows how wrong they were. Viking, another organized evasion uh, you chose to ignore the point of an argument by raising irrelevant distinctions and objections; Saxib Your approval was not sough, NOR was this the topic. Like you my dear fellow, everyone legitimazes or seeks to justify their criticism. The question still remains, what makes your criticism legitimate and others deviant? NUr and i share the same creed, albeit he has not posted anything on the innovators/innovation save the SHias and sufies, he however holds that warning against the people of innovation is a noble branch of the islamic creed. The principal of warning and backbiting the people of innovation is something we both hold in high-estem. Our differences lies betwen who is and whose not... 1. The Whereabouts of Allah(where is Allah) Allah SWT is on the Carsh, but only a literalist would think that it is a physical place. 2. Does Allah posses literal hands, Eyes..ect Literalists (like those belonging to your sect) claim that Allah SWT actually has physical limbs. Allah SWT attributes to Himself two types of qualities... a) Qualities that are easy for us to understand i.e. Power, Speech, Knowledge, Justice etc. b) The second group of qualities are the Sifaat-Mutashabihat; they are allegorical and NOT literal. Attributes like face, soul, hands, throne etc fall into this category. Obviously your comprehesion conflicts with Nur and myself in terms of tawheed(the essence of islam) the most powerful element that every single prophet came with. No need to justify your stands,(merely stating the obvious)

1. To praise certain Ulama and elevate their status. I dont enjoy absurdity, perhaps I did not make myself clear before but unlike you I maintain a distinct CREED that is inline with the quran and sunnah upon understanding of the salaf us salah; who are the saved sect(alfirqa an-najiyah). Those who hold and disseminate corrupt aqeeda are susceptible to disparagement and intellectual critique in accordance with Kitab and Sunnah. In a broader level, Every muslim praises and elevates Islam, they do so with reasonable cause. Their distinct position and available evidence allows them to assert dominance over other faith. Do they Feel your sting? You know as well as anyone, Islam dismembered into numerous sects whom one is saved. They in turn profess dominates. I suspect your not one who entertains the idea of "Al Haaq"(the truth) being divisible. Ina Lilahi wa ina Ileyhi Rajicun. I have said time and again on these boards, I'm not a Salafi like you, neither am I a Shi'a like OG Girl and Mutakalim. I'm simply a Muslim as Allah SWT has referred to is in Suratul Ma'idah. Do you have a problem with that? Isn't it enough to be a Muslim nowadays or must I have to have some secterian affiliations? Simply NO. NO one denies the title ITSELF, even Irshad Mandji whom you’ve levelled claims the title, but for argument's sake lets say its sufficient.As a Muslim what would your position be here; 1. The Whereabouts of Allah(where is Allah) 2. Does Allah posses literal hands, Eyes..ect 3. If for example, I as a Muslim claimed to know the future, would you denounce me as a heretic? 4. What does your islam say about calling upon the dead souls for assistance Stop hiding behind Nur because he has disagreed with you on many occasions when you have slandered other scholars and he also disagreed with you about referring yourself as a Salafi. I have much respect for bro Nur and although we disagree on certain occasions, no love is lost between us. NUR and I share the same CREEDO. We may not see eye to eye on certain issues, atleast they are open to disagreements. On the concept of tawheed and aqeeda we differ NOT. Do u not deny the killing of an apostate? Do you not deny Allah possess physical hands? While I disgree with Nur, at times on trivial issues, you disagree with him on the mere concept of Tawheed(the essence of islam). As for the Title Salafi and his preference of Ahlul Sunnah wa jama’ca, akin to the northerners saying, “Laxoox†and the southern’s â€Canjayloâ€. We still hold the same torch. I did jump on your throat a couple of times when you were "eating the flesh" of certain Ulama. That is a very deviant act! I also confronted NGONGE when he posted an article of a homosexual who insults the Prophet SAWS and denies the Qur'ans authenticity. This is the point you’re consistently evading. why is it that you are still kicking the same can? Explain to me why Irshad earns your wrath and these other individuals who oppose MY understanding of islam are sheltered from my critique? Isnt this hypocritical? Isn’t Halal to speak ill of those who propagate innovations? Have you made it Haram? Tell us what Allah and His messenger say about backbiting the innovators? Im getting sea sick, are you?

Og wrote "There are Sahih ahadeths , when I say Sahih I mean sahih Al-tawater. And don't forget these ahadeths we share with Sunna. We know that the hadith "The Quran and the Sunnah" is actually weak, and "The Quran and the Ahlulbayt" is not only sahih but also mutawater. So this is a mutawater sahih hadith, and is recorded in sunna as well as shia books. Og, The science of Hadeeth is an daedal vessel of the islamic science that enjoys an un-rivalled and unique feature; the ISNAD. The Isnad(chain of narration) was esteemed by the early Muslims (salaf) as the first and cardinal condition in certifying any aspect of Shariah even if it was merely relating one word. There has to be a system; a code to distinguish hadiths that are mutawatir and ahad. THis accomplished system allows to see if the chain is broken,Unknown reporter, connected,strange..ect. The trouble with the Shais is that the collectors of the hadith could not ever verify the narrators of any ahadith, Wheter the characters existed or was a fiction of some imagination. They could not and can not determine. So, what does this really all mean? essentially numerous questions are raised. 1. Who defines ahlul Bayt? 2. During the life of the Nabi salahu alayhi was salam was ahlul bayt purpetually at his presences to record every single narration. what about when he was with Aisha house or with the other wives? 3. for a hadith to be considered sahih, are all the reporters from Ahlul Bayt? are they REALLY infallible? extracted from Viking's post on Suratul Cadiyah. His shia sources asserts the following, " On the occasion of revelation, of this Sura, some people, such as Ibn-Abbas and so on, have said that they are the horses that the Muslim fighters rode on to fight in the Battle of Badr, but Amir-al-Mo'mineen Ali is narrated to have rejected this idea history tells us that Ibn Abbas is from the blood-line of the Messenger of Allah, i suppose Ali didnt know Ibn Abbas was infallabile. Islam isnt a labyrinth, its a map that guides mankind from darkness to light; A light that emanates from the MOst High,the sublime to combatt ambiguity,second guessing and faleshood. Viking, you appearently posses the faculty to demonstrate a signifant level of understand in islam. You have engaged and tacked complex topics with your thought provocing and florid comments,You wince at BRother NUR's complex topics yet you're languid in clear cut topics that invoke horrid difference that yield to the warth of Allah. You demonstrate little effort in rebuking and standing firm against intellectual innovations that mar and conflict with the basic tenants of our Deen, however when brother NUR or myself post a subject you challenge them; unleashing hardline questions and commons. You pertetually post articles that are founded upon falshood, which u take littel pride in refuting or warning the audience. YOu refuse to distinguish your aqeeda and manhaj, you hide under a Banner that the Munafiq,liberist,the lesbians,secularist find refuge in. at the same rate yOu swifly come to the rescue of anyone who we deem deviant, but true to yourself you neither have enough knoweldge to combat the charges nor do you claim membership. Its truly bizzare how people pursue the obscure and hunt in murky waters. why amuse yourself with polemics?

Bro,^^ Am afraid you misunderstood. This is rather a complex and vast subject that can not be addressed with few paraghraphs. I'll draw you few points and inshallah highly encourage you to do a succint research 1. Not everyone who falls into kufr is a kafir 2 one might oppose the commandments of Allah while believing that his actions are haram, thus still retains his iman. he recognizes and acknoweldges that his actions are wrong but pursues his desires do to low iman. 3. there are certains acts/speech that remove someone from islam completely 4. There two types of Kufr, Kufar al Camali(in action) such as reviling ur lineage,Kiling another muslim..ect, and Kufar Al I'tiqad(in creed) believe that Pork is halal, Believing that The Sunnah is not divine...things that relate to (creed) 5. takfir(declaring someone non-muslim) has conditions,such as ignorance, compulsion,fear, mistake...ect

Kashasa, My dear Fellow, i believe u fail to grasp the concept of takfir. One may Close down the mosque and turn it into a museim, ban hijab..ect, and still maintain his iman. Imagine if he was asked, do u think what ur doing is Halal? he retorts"NO, its against islam,this isharam"! and from the aqeeda of Ahlul Sunnah walJama'ca is that he does not leave the fold of islam. There is kufr in action, and kufr in belief.

Shams-ud-Din, Akhee may Allah keep u smiling. other then milking the dictionary, the poor old prof didnt say much.

Miss OG-Girl you state: Unfortunety we don't have a system to follow. All they've done was to collect them. I can say with confidence I have faith in whatever I believe. Because the Prophet told us to follow the Ahlulbeyt ,I am not going to assume I can accept any/and all shia ahadiths relating to aqaed Og-girl, if you do not have a system to distinguish falshood from the truth, how can u be sure the Nabi(salalahu alayhi wa salam ) commanded you to follow Ahlul Bayt? your a student of Knowledge, Viking is tryin to pass you off as someone who is not capable of shedin light on shiasm. I disgree! Viking, Your rethoric is astonishing! Bro,whether you've access to Shia materials or if your understanding is limited aint the issue. Bro, simply compare your your aqeeda(which i hope u know) with what he has research. YOu could say, "YEs...in accorance with what you have research IF that is shiaim, then it conflicts my with understand..etc"

Viking, I trust that every scholar who issues out a fatawaa has exhausted all available sources for his research, with that being said, they can still err. We weight their research with the quran and sunnah and the position of the Jamaca. this requires a degree of understanding on our part, Thus why seeking knoweldge is waajib. Imam Abdullah ibn Mubaarak used to say," this is your deen becareful who u take it from"[a scholar from the 3rd centry], IF memory serves me right, brother Mutakalim is remodeling his views on shiasm, there's no point to post on tha thread.

Og, im sorry for being overly simplistic but with that frame of mind then all world religion are are legitimate since they all using their brain to reach their own convictions. arent they all convinced they follow the truth. what distinguishes false aqeeda from the truth aqeeda?? these are not trivial questions OG, this are matter of Nar and Jannah, non?? furthermore i trust its from ur aqeeda that your imams are infalible, so how can u reject their fiq?

OG, i dont encourage blind faith, if Brother NUR was capable of dissecting my faith as he has done with urs, as a firm believer of absolute truth it would atleast leave a certain element of shuubuhat, if not i would atleast attempt some form of refutation. what is the purpose of Da'wah? if you cant call people to what you believe in, whats the point of believing in anything?