Innalhamdulillah... Akhi Fear Allah... "O you who believe! Let not a group scoff at another group, it may be that the latter are better than the former"(49:11) Fear Allah Sahal. I Refuse to address you, your on ignore for the following reasons: The peoiple are neither blind nor sick like you These people are really sick but most of them don't know and some of them are clevers they know the reality but they know how to monoeuvre and to escape from reality like our friend here who escaped as i say b4 go your poison to other places, you're SICK It's really laughable what this guy wants to convince us, they looked everywhere and couldn't find except the refrence of their name not an evidence. it's really one of the sickness of this group. they're really disease among us and we should disclose their tricks. please let him/her not to escape this time. i'm afraid he/she will never listen you since he/she like many others become blind on the crimes of "Kingdom of Saudi Arabia". :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Innalhamdulillah.... The verses you qouted SHOULD BE ADDRESSED to those chrisitans and jews WHO are hostile to Muslims. Not true, rather to all of them….shown in this verse…. O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliyâ' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliyâ' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliyâ', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust).(5:51) Forget the jews & christian even ur own family…. You will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred(surah 58) your fathers and sons. also Do the Jew not oppose the Allah and his messenger? Let not the believers take the disbelievers as friends instead of the believers, and whoever does that, will never be helped by Allah in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them. And Allah warns you against Himself). meaning, He warns you against His punishment if you fall into what He has prohibited. This is why Allah said here(3:28) ibn khatir said concerning this ayah: Allah forbids His believing servants from taking the disbelievers as friends instead of the believers. This includes being friends and associates of the disbelievers, advising them, being intimate with them and exposing the secrets of the believers to them. Yet thou seest those in whose hearts is a disease racing toward them(the enemies of Islam), saying,We are afraid that a change of fortune may befall us" But it maybe that Allah will give thee with victory or some decision from Himself, and then they will become regretful for what they thought secretly within themselves(5;55)" You must quote the ayah before this one: Which goes like this: O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliyâ' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliyâ' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliyâ', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust).(5:51) Then u quote ur ayah! And you see those in whose hearts there is a disease (of hypocrisy), they hurry to their friendship, saying: "We fear lest some misfortune of a disaster may befall us." Perhaps Allâh may bring a victory or a decision according to His Will. Then they will become regretful for what they have been keeping as a secret in themselves.(5:51) Its not about those who fight u in your religion,rather is all of the Jews and Christians…these people race to befriend the Ahlul kitab who as still the enemies of Allah!why run to them if they are fighting you?!? Now as for the people of the book being Mushriks: The kafir v.s Mushrik by Shaykh Fawzan There are generalities shared between them and specifies (unique to each of them). MuShirk is more general then kafir, for every mushrik is a kafir but not every kafir is a mushrik. The Mushriks worships Allah and other then him, as for the kafir then he rejects the existence of Allah the almighty the Exalted and does not acknowledge Allah the Mighty the Majestic and nor does he acknowledge a religion from among the religions, this is the rejecting kafir, for the mushrik he acknowledges and believes, however he worships Allah and worships others along side him, Hence he is a one who does (shirk) setting up partners with Allah. Thus every Mushrik is a kafir, but not every kafir is a mushrik, since a kafir can be Mulhid(Atheist) and Jaahid(rejector). The arab in Mecca where mushriks, cause they worshiped idols and said they were Allah’s daughters, like Alat, al Uza and al Manat….so they were associating partners with Allah, thus they were mushrikeen….one who does shirk…associates partners with allah The people of the book even though they follow a distorted book, not the original…they associate partners with Allah, Christians say Allah has a Son(Jesus) Jews say Allah has a son(Uzar) and they reject Muhammad(saas) as the last messenger….thus they are Mushriks, for doing shirk and associating partners In the Arabic language when the "Mu" comes before a word/or thing, its the doer of that word/thing, for example Adhan(calling to prayer) and the one who calls to prayer is called (MUadhan) similar to shirk, when someone does shirk, he is called a Mushrik... Allah said in surah 4:48 “Verily, Allâh forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allâh in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin.” this what allah says about these ****** kafirs! Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilâh (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilâh (God -Allâh). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them. Tayyib...and as for Yusef Qaardaweee, the scholars like Shayk Utaymin, since u know of him already SisSade, as spoken about this evil kalam( deception) his allying with the Ikhwan muslimeen and their likes...thus any fatwah or article from him is of no interest to us! Sheikh Al-Qaradawi has layed to waste and caused to die the creed of loyalty and disownment (al-walaa al-baraa) with respect to the Kuffaar. He said‘Our Christian brothers’ and some people reject this from me and say how can I say that they are our Christian brothers? [Allaah says] "Verily the Believers are but a single brotherhood". Yes, we are believers and they are believers from another angle".(Programme for Sharee’ah and Life, in the lecture Non-Muslims in Light of the Sharee’ah, dated 12/10/97 in Qunaat.) and there are countless evidence againts Yusef..as Our Brothe Darman in Sol has demonstrated many times....

Innalhamdulillah..... S:60;8-9 "Allah does not forbid you with regard to those who do not fight you on account of your religion nor drive you out of your homes, to treat them with goodness and to be just to them; truly, Allah loves those who are just. Indeed, Allah forbids you (only) with regard to those who fight you on account of religion and drive you out of your homes, and assist (others) in driving you out, that you turn to them (in frendship); and whoever turns to them(in friendship), they are wrongdoers." Na’am Allah Orders use to be Just….no doubt about this….but my initial post was about befriending them…all the ayats of Allah were about befriending them…..As its well know that you can be just and fair to someone(including your enemies) whiling not befriending them. Thus Justice(‘adal) and Fairness is not the same as friendship (awliiyah) Allah loves those who are just (60:8)So we are bound to be just in wathever action we do. Agreed!!! We have to be just even it’s against our own self!!! As for the people of the book, In the Quran they kept on being addressed as" O People of the book" or "O You who have been given the book" Implying that there is a spiritual kinship between them and Muslims .And ALLAH kept on reminding us of the kinship due to the prophets lineage.As they are our brothers in faith. And if its in Allahs will they can received a double reward when they become muslims( return to the original religion). Sorry, ….it does imply a spiritual kinship…Astghufurallah…. Brother in faith???? Which Faith… islam???? Allah said in Surah 3. that the only Religion with him is islam….and Also in the same surah he said, if anyone dies in a religion other then islam, never will it be accepted of him and the fire is his place of rest. Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allâh is the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allâh, then Allâh has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode[]. And for the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong­doers) there are no helpers.(5:72) They can only receive double reward…if they accept Islam….and only if they accept islam...then in that case its incumbent that we befriend them. You say it implies a kinship and brother in faith…this is what Allah says concerning the (ahlul Kitab) And they say: "The Most Beneficent (Allâh) has begotten a son (or offspring or children) [as the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allâh, and the Christians say that He has begotten a son, Indeed you have brought forth (said) a terrible evil thing. Whereby the heavens are almost torn, and the earth is split asunder, and the mountains fall in ruins, (19:88-90) Abou the jews: in the opening Sûrah: [Guide us to the straight path - The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor, not of those who have evoked (Your) anger! ...] Adiyy ibn Hatim asked Rasul Allâh - sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam - who it was that evoked Allâh’s anger? He said, “It was the Jews.” - Tafseer Ibn Katheer the Jews say, “The hand of Allâh is chained.” Chained are their hands and cursed are they for what they say. Rather, both His hands are extended; He spends however He wills.] Al-Maa’idah 5/64 Brother in faith!?!?!? When Allah says this! Allâh commands us in the Qur'ân: [O you who have belied, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is one of them. Indeed Allâh does not guide the wrongdoing people.] - Ma’idah 5/51 Are they not ahlal Kitab, if we are brothers in faith, why not take then as allies? Clearly shows the jews don’t believe in Allah! And if only the People of the Scripture had believed and feared Allâh, We would have removed from them their misdeeds and admitted them to joyful Gardens] - Ma’idah 5/65 Now this brings us to the especial favours from allah, like marrying their women…and only the muslim male can marry a ahlul kitab women….i don’t need explain the wisdom behind this…as there are ample reasons given by the scholars which can be easily accessed. So we can marry their women, na’am but this does not mean we befriend those who we are not married to…Also its is highly recommended that one who believes in allah does not marries a kafir instead of a believers….The Companions could not see themselves with a disbeliever…however its allowed! According to the Prophets SAW Hadith: Whoever hurts a dhimmi, I am his adversary, and I shall be an adversay to him on the Day of judgement. =Al khatib Na’am they are protected as long as they pay the jiziyah…and this comes back to being just and fair to them…which as nothing to do with being friends with them… He who hurts a dhimmi hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys ALLAH. = Al tabarani in AL awsat. On the day of resurrection I shall dispute with anyone who oppresses a person from among the People of the convenant, or infringes on his right, or puts a responsibilty on him which is beyond his strenght , or takes something from him against his will. =Abu daoud I have already mentioned the issues with this…as it is well know that Abu Dawood has Weak fabricated hadith in his collection….look at Salilaah Sahiha By Albani In surah 9:1-3 Allah and his messenger are free from the mushrik… And a declaration from Allâh and His Messenger to mankind on the greatest day (the 10th of Dhul-Hijjah - the 12th month of Islâmic calendar) that Allâh is free from (all) obligations to the Mushrikûn (see V.2:105) and so is His Messenger. So if you (Mushrikûn) repent, it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allâh. And give tidings (O Muhammad SAW) of a painful torment to those who disbelieve. (9:3) And as for the People of the book " and He has put love and mercy between you"(30;21 and concerning the Christians this is a form of deception...this implies that Allah but love and effection between the muslims and ALL THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK...which is no true..this ayah is only refering to the wives of the believers As I said earlier this ayat does not say that…the best way to do something is to quote the ayah exactly…then do your tafsir of the ayah….but this clearily looks like if the Ayah says that…which it doesn’t

Innalhamdulillah.... Primarily, all hadiths are divided into two categories: authentic and unauthentic. So when a scholar declares, If there is an authentic hadith, it is my madthab (way and belief), he is not distinguishing between mutawaatir and ahaad hadiths. “When a hadeeth is found to be saheeh, then that is my madhhab” Abu Hanifa Imam Shafi’ee The Muslims are unanimously agreed that if a sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) is made clear to someone, it is not permitted [Ar.: halaal] for him to leave it for the saying of anyone else." [ibn al-Qayyim (2/361) & Fulaani (p. 68)] Therefore akhee its not my intentions to change your mind, however, your are not upon what the Companions where upon…Or those who followed them in exact faith. The Hizb Taheer call people to the fire. since the majority of the religion is based upon Ahad Hadith, it just means that you do not have 100% certainty in your religion…thus your faith is in doubt all the times….. Alahmdulillah Sufficient for us are our Salaf for explaining our religion !!So I end with these beautiful words by Imam baabaraheeri and Qaadee Shareek(d.177) 'So examine - may Allaah have mercy upon you - the speech of everyone you hear from, particularly in your time. Do not act in haste, nor enter into anything from it until you ask and see: Did any of the Companions of the Messenger (saas) speak about it, or any of the scholars. So if you find a narration from them about it, then cling to it. Do not go beyond it and do not give precedence to anything over it and thus fall into the fire' {Kitaab Sharh us-Sunnah, no. 5}.Imam Baabarhaaree Qaadee Shareek (d.177H) said 'Ibaad ibn al-Awaam said: 'Shareek ibn Abdullah came to us more than fifty years ago, so we said to him: 'O Abu Abdullah! there are a group of the Mu'tazilah who deny the ahaadeeth about Allaah descending to the Lowest Heaven and that the people of Paradise see their Lord. So Shareek quoted about ten ahaadeeth like that, and then said: "As for us, we have taken our deen from the sons of the Sahaabah, from the Tabi'een. From whom did they take theirs ?".{Ibn Mandah in At-Tawheed, Q. 1/97.} And I close this topic here!!!… I've made my case….with concrete prove….while u on the other hand…have not Im not going to make a tafseer of the ayat but how does it prove your point, Hazrat Abu Bakr held this view which is why he initially was against compiling it but then realised that he should. By your analogy they shouldnt have bothered. you need to Stop lying...Abu Bakr didnt want to compilate the Quran, cause he felt it was Bi'ah(innovation) no because of Ahad hadith... until Allah opened his heart. Im ONly Here to convey the message...not convince you!!!! Walaykum salam wa rahmatullahi....

Innalhamdulillah.... Allaah (T) said (what means): And it is not proper that all of the believers should go out to fight. From each party [taa'ifah] of them, only a division should go forth, so that they (who are left behind) may receive instructions in religion, and that they may warn their people when they return to them, so that they may be aware. [9:122] This address by Allaah (T) is fardh kifaayah, i.e. binding on the entire community and must be performed by at least a few of its members. Thus, someone must stay behind to teach others the religion. There is no doubt that the term religion in the above aayah includes both matters of legislation as well as creed. In this aayah Allaah uses the word taa'ifah which means one or more than one, as Ibn ul-Athir stated in an-Nihaayah. Al- Bukhaari said (in his Sahih), One man is called taa'ifah in Allaah's saying (that means): If two parties [ta'ifataan] among the believers fight (each other)... [49:9] So if two men fight, the meaning of this aayah applies to their situation as well. Ibn Hajar said in Fath ul- Baari, The word taa'fah means one or more than one, and is not a specific number; this is what is reported from Ibn `Abbaas and others like an-Nakh`i and Mujaahid

Innalhamdulillah.... (6) Imaam ash-Shaafi'ee's 'ar-Risaala' on the Chapter X on "Evidence to the necessaty of accepting the Aahaad Khabar" and in Saheeh al-Bukhaaree, English translation, volume 9, "Chapter: What is said regarding the acceptance of the information given by one truthful person (7) All the Scholars you Quoted accept Ahad Hadith in 'Aqeeda ie..Bukhari, Tahaawi and Ibn Hajar You say "I accept the hadeeth in Bukhaaree is saheeh but I don't believe in it In the Hizbu Tahreer, book 'ad-Doosiyyah' is that these ahadeeth "When one of you finishes the last tashahhud then let his say: 'O Allah I seek refuge in you from the punishment of the grave and the punishment of the Hell-fire and from the trials of life and death and the trials of Dajjal.'" - They say: 'I act in this as it is knowledge - that is: We say that saying: "....." however we do not believe in it?! This is a crazy contradiction - how can you affirm a saying and not believe in it? this is not rational / sensible. As if you are saying: I say it with my tongue and do not believe it in my heart. They do not believe that there is any punishment in the grave - they do not believe it but they say: We affirm it. between 'certain knowledge' ('Ilmul Yaqeen) and 'Aynul-yaqeen (certainty itself) is a level which Allah mentions at the end of Soorat ul-Haaqah: 'Haqqul-Yaqeen' - so we have, (i) 'Ilmul Yaqeen (ii) Haqqul yaqeen (iii) 'Aynul Yaqeen, all of them are certainty (Yaqeen) - are they a single thing? No rather they are levels - so Yaqeen (certainty) has levels, but its root is one, i.e. it's being knowledge. So the narration from the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) which fulfills the five conditions (of authenticity): (i) the chain of narration be fully connected by (ii) trustworthy (iii) precise narrators (iv) nor contradicting something more reliable and (v) not having a hidden defect - these conditions safeguard it from error and forgetfulness. We say - that a narrator may forget or make a mistake but we are sure in this case (i.e. after the fulfillment of the five conditions) and this narrator here did not forget since he is precise and trustworthy in his Deena and reliable and it is narrated from him by like of him - reliable and with precise memory not forgetting anything and it does no contradict the narrations of other narrators, and does not have a hidden defect - then we know that the narrator has not forgotten - not because we think he is infallible but because we have examined and checked - so this condition brings about knowledge with us: And even if we were to say: it only amounts to 'zann'(conjecture): then which zann(conjecture) would it be?, correct or certain zaan, or incorrect zann. then the Hizb Tahreer will say correct zann! Then we say: it is a source for belief ('Aqeedah) as Allah ta'aalaa says: Who bear in mind the certainty that they are to meet their Lord [baqarah 2:46] So the word 'zann' here is used with the meanings of belief in one of the principles of belief, i.e. belief in the Hereafter Allah ta'aalaa says: I did really understand that my account would reach me [Haaqqah 69:20] (Using the term 'zann') and this is quoted in praise of him, he is a Believer. [Also, the verse]: And they perceived that there is no fleeing from Allah but to Himself [Tawbah 9:118] in the story of those who remained behind - so here (again) 'zann' occurs with the meaning of I'tiqaad (certain belief) - so it has meaning of belief. We find that if one of them narrates something from the Messenger (S), the other who heard it would accept it from him.

innalhamdulillah.... it is upon us to copy their actions and beliefs. this brings us back to the Ahad Hadith, did the best people in this planet except Ahad Hadith in ‘Aqeeda, if they did….it is incumbent upon us to accept it, if they did not then its necessary that we do not accept it….. Allow me to demonstrate: few Ahad Ahadith that the Salaf accepted in their aqeeda! (1) Hadeeth related by 'Ai'sha (raa) regarding The Punishment of the Grave in Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 1372 (2) The Prophet said, "No prophet was sent but that he warned his followers against the one-eyed liar (Ad-Dajjal). Beware! He is blind in one eye, and your Lord is not so, and there will be written between his (Ad-Dajjal's) eyes (the word) Kafir (i.e., disbeliever)." Hadith - Bukhari 9.245, Narrated Anas (3) the Messenger (saas): 'Prophethood will be amongst you for as long as Allaah wills, then Allaah will raise it up when He wills, then there will be Khilafah upon the way of Prophethood, then Allaah will raise it up when He wills, then there will be kingship, then oppressive kingship, then Khilafah upon the way of Prophethood' The salaf Did take Ahad Hadith into ‘Aqeeda: Prove: (1) Imam ash-Shaafi’ee (d.204H) said, “The punishment of the grave is true, the questioning of those in the graves is true, the Resurrection is true, the Day of Judgement is true, Paradise and the Fire are true. Whatever else is reported in the Sunnah and so mentioned by the scholars and their followers throughout the lands of the Muslims is true.” Reported by al-Baihaqee in Manaaqib ash-Shaafi’ee (1/415). (2) Imaam Ahmad said, “Punishment of the grave is true. No-one denies it except one who is misguided and astray and leading others astray.” Reported by Ibn Abee Ya’laa in Tabaqaatul-Hanaabilah (1/174). (3) Imam Baarbarharee student of Imam Ahmed”We have faith in al-Maseehud-Dajjaal” Kitaab Sharh us-Sunnah (4) Imam Hilaali,” we wait for the Khilaafah in the way of the Prophethood and we work to bring it about anew(Cassette Recording) (5) Sharh ul-Aqeedat ul-Waasitiyyah ”The Khalifah will re-establish”

Innalhamdulillah.... I am continuing this discussion for one reason and one reason only; that is that I am assuming that you seek only the truth, and when it comes to you, there will be no resistance in your submission to it. If you believe that you are upon the haq and nothing will change you then there is no need for you to read on as the truth only permeates those hearts as are free from Hizbiyah and Ta'asub (rigidity bigoted upon a track or way). If you feel free from these then please read on as then Allaah will open your heart if you are sincere. My intention within the bounds of this discourse is not to attack you personally, but it is solely to make you understand that the track which you are upon, leads to nothing except destruction ! - may Allaah protect us from this. It’s suitable that we gauge our views in the light of the Qur'ân and authentic Sunnah of the messenger of Allaah (SAW), as understood and practiced by the best of generations, and those who followed them in belief and methodology. Indeed this the best course of action to take for as Allaah almighty says: "Ask the people of knowledge if you do not know" {Soorah An-Nahl: 43}. Akhee first we all know the quran was mutawahir narration….but this does not negate the fact that Ahad Hadith are not taken into aqeeda… this the issue between you and I. Whatever Ahad Hadith is part of the muslim aqeeda or not…is the issues..so since I am not a scholar….and you are not a scholar…then we have to ask the people of knowledge,"Ask the people of knowledge if you do not know" {Soorah An-Nahl: 43}. We also know that the majority of the Hadith in Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari are Ahad Hadith, thus the Majority of our Religion is based on Ahad Hadith. You know about the ahadith , that says that the best of the people are from my generation...ie: "The best people are those of my generation, followed by those who came after them, followed by those who came after them." (muslim) it is upon us to copy their actions and beliefs 'Aqeeda.

It is clear that the sahaba would not accept ahad narrations in the Quran because it would create doubt and this would not be allowed as it must be definate. Yet you want us take it into aqeedah. Brother, before i reply i would like to know if i Understand u correctly.... your saying, because the Sahaabs got others sahabas to verify the Ayats of Allah, so we can not accept Ahad Hadith in 'Aqeeda? Yes or no? and if u respond with yes....then i ask u what if i bring you a narration that a sahaba would narrate a Hadith from the messenger of Allah to another Sahaba and he would except it? Second question brother, DIDnt the messenger of Allah send Mu'ad Ibn jaabal to Yemen....to call them to Islam...alone???? Or the three sahabs he send to the romans and persian....watch the film the message ....one sahab was send to each kingdom.... Let me give you a definition: Mutaawirr-hadith narrated by more then one person Ahad hadith-- hadith narrated by two or less persons(do not contain doubts) third question: do u disagree imam Shafi'ee & imam Bukhari...? forth question: do you believe with certainty that Isa the messenger of Allah (as) is coming back and that one day the Ummah will have a Khalifah...and i mean with certainty...100% ... is it part of your Aqeeda that one day the ummah will be led my a Khaalifah???? please dont forget rule number #5, you agreed that u would answer my questions....and Allah & the audience is our witness. keep this in mind: The Rasul(saas) used to call some of his companions trusthwory...Like Abu Ubaydah....he was the truthsworthy of the this ummah....and another hadith that the best people in this planet after the Messengers are the companions...... please respond to my questions so we can move on. i have man prepared one last piece in response to ur points and ill post it after u answer my questions... salamu alaykum

Innalhamdulillah.... Sahal your like an itch i cant scratch....Subhanallah....I've turned my attention to u, since thats what you've been seeking all along : ) Wa salamu alaykum

Innalhamdulillah.... Allah had forseen the division of the Muslim Ummah and His Prophet SAW stated the hadith that we as an Ummah will be divided into 73 groups. And this is whats happening. Though our Prophet gave us the answer as to how to be successful : to follow The QURAN and Hadith and not merrilly scholars.... Are not all the 73 different sects within Islam following Qurand and Hadith....name we one sect who says they dont follow qurand and Hadith..... The question is who's interpretation of the quran and the Hadith do we adher to?

Innalhamdulillah... " Laqad kaana lakum fii rasuulillahi USWATUN XASANAH" "Indeed, A Good Model to emulate was set for you in the person of the Messenger of Allah". Is there a better Model in the Salaf for us brother? Bro....you can not follow the Messenger of Allah, if you do know follow the Companions....Becuase the messenger of Allah said, what i and my companions are on....So if u follow the companions, then ur following the messenger of Allah(saas) **walhamdulillah**** One last note: this clearfy any other doubts.... "And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination."[] (4:115) other then the believers way...!!!!1 Bro Nur....who are the believers? or this ayah! "And the first to embrace Islâm of the Muhâjirûn (those who migrated from Makkah to Al-Madinah) and the Ansâr (the citizens of Al-Madinah who helped and gave aid to the Muhâjirûn) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allâh is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him." 9:100 those who follow the companions in exact faith... So akhee, its about the correct 'Aqeeda, just cause u say your muslim, does mean you are upon proper 'Aqeeda, and when your 'Aqeeda is different then the Salaf, then we must distinguish ourselves from those who call themsevles muslims beacuse they call to the fire....So we say we are Upon the manhaj of the Salaf...thus we are the Salafiyoon the truth can not mix with falsehood...there is a beautiful ayah about that....its not 2:256..... wish i remember the exact one...It is wajib(must) to seperate the truth from falsehood! they can not MIX

Innalhamdulillah... Bro Nur the word "Salaf" was used by the Prophet (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) himself. He said to Faatimah, " How excellent a Salaf I am for you. " (Muslim, no. 2450). :Thus If Fatimah said oh Father i am a salafi to u, How on this planet, will the Messenger of Allah(saas) object, when it simply means that she is following him..... lbn Taymiyyah (d.728H) - rahimahullaah - said: "There is no criticism for the one who proclaims the way (madhdhab) of the Salaf , who attaches himself to it and refers to it. Rather, it is obligatory to accept that from him by unanimous agreement (Ittifaaq) because the way (madhdhab) of the Salaf is nothing but the Truth (Haqq)." [Majmoo al-Fataawaa 4:149] Dont u see the logics in this????? If it does, then all groups are also justified. How is that so, if i may ask???? hadith about "73 different sects, all in the fire but one, and the one that is not in the fire, is what, those who are upon what the messenger and his companions(salaf) were upon" Allow me to demonstrate. In the verdict of the Permanent Committee, No. 1361 (1/165) there occurs, "Salafiyyah is an ascription to the Salaf, and the Salaf are the Companions of Allaah’s Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) and the Imaams of Guidance from the the first three generations (may Allaah be pleased with them), those whose goodness has been testified for by Allaah’s Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam), "The best of people are my generation, then those who follow after them, then those who follow after them, then there will come a people whose testimony will precede their oath and their oath will precede their testimony." Reported by Imaam Ahmad in his Musnad and also by al-Bukhaari and Muslim. And "the Salafis" (Salafiyyoon) is the plural of "Salafi", which is an ascription to the Salaf, and its meaning has already preceded. And they are the ones who traverse upon the minhaaj of the Salaf, from amongst the followers of the Book and the Sunnah, those who call to them both, and to acting upon them, as a result of which they are from Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah." Can any other group say this??/ Likewise the Noble Shaikh stated in Sharh ul-Aqeedat ul-Waasitiyyah (1/123), "...There is no doubt, however, that one of them is truly Ahl us-Sunnah - but which one? Is it the Ash'arees, the Maatureedees or the Salafis? Whichever of them agrees with the Sunnah is considered to be Ahl us-Sunnah, whilst whichever of them opposes is not. So we say: The Salaf are Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah, and this description cannot be true for anyone else besides them… Rather Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah are those who hold to what the Prophet (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) and his Companions were upon, and to the aqidah of the Salaf - until the Day of Judgement – and they are the Salaf." Imaam al-Albaani said, "For this reason, we firmly and resolutely believe that every Jamaa’ah whose foundation is not built upon the Book and the Sunnah and the manhaj of the Salaf us-Saalih with a complete and comprehensive study (of that manhaj) which encompasses all the rulings pertaining to Islaam, the large and the small, the foundations and the subsidiary issues, then this Jamaa’ah is not from the Firqah Naajiyah that traverses upon the Straight Path which the Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) alluded to in the authentic hadeeth. And when he have also made binding that there are (certainly) many Jamaa’aat (groups) spread throughout the Islamic lands who are upon this particular manhaj, then these groups are not sects (ahzaab), rather they all constitute a single Jamaa’ah whose manhaj is one and whose path is one. And their being separated in the land is not a separation based upon ideology, creed or manhaj but one that is based upon their being in different lands, in opposition to the Jamaa’aat and Ahzaab (sects) who are all in a single land, yet despite that, every sect rejoices with that which is with it (of ideas and methodologies)…" (In ‘Fataawaa Shaikh al-Albaani’ p.106-114 compiled by Ukkaashah Abdul-Mannaan at-Tiyyi) As-Salafiyyah (i.e. the Salafis) is the Saved Sect, and they are Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah. It is not a hizb (party) from amongst the various parties, those which are called "parties" today. Rather they are the Jamaa’ah, the Jamaa’ah upon the Sunnah and upon the Deen (religion). They are Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah. The Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) said, "There will not cease to be a group from my Ummah manifest and upon the truth not being harmed by those who forsake them neither by those who oppose them" and he (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) also said, "And this Ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of them in the Hellfire but one". They said, which one is this O Messenger of Allaah? He replied, "They are those who are upon what I and my companions are upon today". Hence Salafiyyah is a group of people (i.e. the Salafis) upon the madhhab of the Salaf, upon what the Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) and his companions were upon and it is not a hizb from amongst the contemporary groups present today. Rather it is the very old Jamaa’ah, from the time of the Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) which inherits (this way) and continues, and which never ceases to be upon the manifest truth until the establishment of the Hour, as he (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) has informed

Innalhamdulillah.... Truth Seeker brother baarakallahu feekum but this one ayah, refutes your points: "Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur'ân) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption) "15:9 So whether it was collected by one person, or 10000 people, it does not really matter, For Allah send it down, and Allah guards it..... thats was weak attempt...still relying on your opinion....still failed to provide evidence that we cant take into aqeeda And oh Yea.... 90% if not all of the companions memorized the whole quran...So if there was one single mistake, everyone would catch on to it!

Innalhamdulillah... I Withdraw from the discussion....for violating rule #5 and #2 Wa salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa baarakatu

Innalhamdulillah... Nur Baarakallahu Feekum The very usage of names that describe belonging to a particular school of thought like Salafia, Tahrir, Ikhwan, Tabligh, etc is a departure from the Sunnah itself, non of the salaf themselves ever used these names nor did Allah SWT authorized its use, because Abraham had named this Ummah Muslims, the action of some Muslims should not warrant a change of that great name, if anything had ever contributed to divisions among Muslims, it is names and sects that lift banners and rally around a controversial topic to compete for followers. Shaykh al-Albaanee - Rahimullaah - said: "However, there are some who claim knowledge who deny this ascription, claiming that it has no foundation, saying: "It is not permissible for a Muslim to say: I am Salafi." And it is as if he is saying: "It is not permissible for me to say: l am following the Salafus-Saalih in what they were upon in 'aqeedah, worship and manners!" And there is no doubt that the likes of this denial - if that is what is meant - implies that he is disassociating himself from the correct Islaam that the Salafus-Saalih were upon ... Thus it is not permissible for a Muslim to disassociates himself from being ascribed to the Salafus-Saalih. If, however, he freed himself from any other nisbah ( ascription ), then none of the people of knowledge could accuse him of disbelief or sinfulness. However, the one who refuses calling himself with this name Salafi, then it should be seen, does he attribute himself to a particular madhhab - whether in matters of 'aqeedah or fiqh" So perhaps he will call himself an Ash'aree or a Maatareedee, or he may be from Ahlul-Hadeeth, or a Hanafee, Maalikee, Shaafi'ee or Hanbalee - from those matters which enter into the term Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah. Despite that fact that the one who ascribes himself to the Ash'aree madhhab, or the four well-known madhhabs, then he has ascribed himself to those who are not protected from making mistakes as individuals - even though there are from them Scholars that attain what is correct. So why O why do they not reject the likes of these ascriptions to individuals who are not protected from mistakes? However, as for the one who ascribes himself to the Salafus-Saalih collectively - then he ascribes himself to that which is protected from mistakes." [Al-Asaalah Magazine 9/87] 2) Allaah Has Named us Muslims, So Why Ascribe Ourselves to the Salaf This doubt was very beatifully answered by Imaam al-Albaani in his discussion with someone on this subject, recorded on the cassette entitled, "I am Salafi", and here is a presentation of the vital parts of it: Shaikh al-Albaani: "When it is said to you, ‘What is your madhhab’, what is your reply?" Questioner: "A Muslim". Shaikh al-Albaani: "This is not sufficient!". Questioner: "Allaah has named us Muslims" and he recited the saying of Allaah Most High, "He is the one who has called you Muslims beforehand." (al-Hajj 22:78) Shaikh al-Albaani: "This would be a correct answer if we were in the very first times (of Islaam) before the sects had appeared and spread. But if we were to ask, now, any Muslim from any of these sects with which we differ on account of aqeedah, his answer would not be any different to this word. All of them – the Shi’ite Rafidi, the Khaariji, the Nusayri Alawi – would say, "I am a Muslim". Hence, this is not sufficient in these days." Questioner: "In that case I say, I am a Muslim upon the Book and the Sunnah." Shaikh al-Albaani: "This is not sufficient either". Questioner: "Why?" Shaikh al-Albaani: "Do you find any of those whom we have just mentioned by way of example saying, ‘I am a Muslim who is not upon the Book and the Sunnah’?" Who is the one who says, ‘I am not upon the Book and the Sunnah’?" At this point the Shaikh then began to explain in detail the importance of being upon the Book and the Sunnah in light of the understanding of the Salaf us-Saalih… Questioner: "In that case I am a Muslim upon the Book and the Sunnah with the understanding of the Salaf us-Saalih". Shaikh al-Albaani: "When a person asks you about your madhhab, is this what you will say to him?" Questioner: "Yes". Shaikh al-Albaani: "What is your view that we shorten this phrase in the language, since the best words are those that are few but indicated the desired intent, so we say, ‘Salafi’?" End of quotation. Hence, the point is that naming with "Muslim" or "Sunni" is not enough, since everyone will claim that. And Imaam al-Albaani emphasised the importance of the truth being distinguished from the falsehood – from the point of view of the basis of manhaj and aqidah, and that is taking from the Salaf us-Saalih, as opposed to the various sects and groups whose understandings are based upon those of their mentors and leaders and not that of the Salaf, fundamentally.

Innalhamdulillah.... I will adress alll of ur points inshallah, soon...as i promised J11, including the fact that Ahlul Kitab are mushriks....poeple who do shirk... Ngonge..sax...the ayats of allah are clear, about seeking friendship with them... and as for the kingdom of saudiyah so called seeking protection...i dont think i mentioned anything about that Yet ..Allahu 'Aliim this will come up when i deal with Truth seeker...inshallah.... Inshallah ill point out all the errors in the thread i saw as soon as im done with Truth Seeker im sorry if i caused any confusion from my part...So inshallah be patience with me...

Innalhamdulillah... Rahima My beloved sister, I complain about your observations, rather I feel, no… rather I know this discussion does more good then harm if any… Allow me to demonstrate…how many Users knew about Ahaad Hadith preceding this thread???? How many people knew the ‘Aqeeda of the Hizbu Tahreer prior to this???? Confuse where is the confusion??? Im backing up my statements with manifest prove…. Confusion is scares, atleast from my part; it’s educational, Your thoughts are appreciated! Truth Seeker! Akhil-karim you’re pinned against the wall!!!!! Therefore what i deduce from your definition is that ahad hadith: is insufficient narrators for the purpose of eliminating a 'possibility' of falsehood either deliberate or non deliberate. What you deduce???? What??? Since when was the religion of Islam left to the intellect of mere men? Shall we take your opinion over that of Imam Ash-Shafi’eee Or Sahih Bukhari, or Sahih Muslim, Or Imam Ahmed, Or the Companions(salaf)? Re: When we say it does not meet the requirement of Mutawahir Hadith...it simply implies that the chains of transmission are not numerous. But this does not negate the fact that its not Sahih, and when a hadith is found sahih, then its from the messenger of Allah (saas) 100% therefore its incumbent upon All of us to accept it and believe in it! U honestly believe a Sahih hadith can have doubts….well the majority of the Hadith reported in Sahih Bukhari and Muslim are Ahad hadith, Thus the majority of your Deen is in Doubts… how am I going to discuss politics with someone who’s faith is in question?!? Akhee please don’t waste my time, you keep going over the same thing, after I responded to them…. If u cant refute my points lets just move the kingdom ruling with Kufr!!! this is the last time im going to address the definition...its like beating on a dead horse!!! a salamu alaykum

^^^^ Innalhamdulillah akhee i revised my reply to you please look at it salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wabbarakatu

Innalhamdulillah.... Ok J11 ill rewrite everything i lost.for the sake of knowledge...but this will have to wait awhile inshallah....im extremely busy...patience is a virtue!!!!! ill give u TWO example: And as for the People of the book " and He has put love and mercy between you"(30;21 and concerning the christians in fact the ayah says this: And among His Signs is this, that He created for you wives from among yourselves, that you may find repose in them, and He has put between you affection and mercy. Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who reflect.(30:21) it has nothing to do with the people of the book!!!! WHAT KINDA OF SCHOLAR LIES UPON THE BOOK OF ALLAH :eek: another example: According to the Prophets SAW Hadith: Whoever hurts a dhimmi, I am his adversary, and I shall be an adversay to him on the Day of judgement. =Al khatib Is this Hadith sound???? Look at what Allah says: (9:1-3) Freedom from (all) obligations (is declared) from Allâh and His Messenger (SAW) to those of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh), with whom you made a treaty. And a declaration from Allâh and His Messenger to mankind on the greatest day (the 10th of Dhul-Hijjah - the 12th month of Islâmic calendar) that Allâh is free from (all) obligations to the Mushrikûn (see V.2:105) and so is His Messenger. So if you (Mushrikûn) repent, it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allâh. And give tidings (O Muhammad SAW) of a painful torment to those who disbelieve. WE ALL CHRISTIANS AND JEWS DISBELIEVE....SO A PAINFUL TORMENT AWAYS THEM!!! the people of the book are mushriks----One who does shirk....(associate partner with Allah) Christians say Allah has Son...thus they are MU(doer) of Shirk(Association) = MUSHRIKS JUST TWO EXAMPLES, AND THEY CALL HIM A SCHOLAR . SUBHANALLAH

Innalhamdulillah..... Disgree, just cause hadith is narrator by one person this does not mean its not Sahih, when we say it does not meet the requirement of Mutawahir Hadith...it simply implies that the chain of transmission are not numerous. you have to look at the isnad of the Hadith, and when its one person, we have to study the person who has narratored the Hadith, this comes back to the science of hadith...(im not a Muhadith) Sahih Bukhari collected Ahad Hadith. Its well know that Sahih BUkhari did away with all the hadith that contained doubts...There is not one Muhadith(scholar of hadith) in this planet who says Sahih Bukhari's collection contain doubful hadith...instead authentic ones...and also Imam Shafi'ee refuted your points....he clearly states you can have Ahad Hadith in 'Aqeeda Now, i need proves from scholar that we can not have Ahad hadith in Aqeeda..this is what the topic is about.... will you not back up your statements!!! if not we can move to the next topic!!!!!

Innalhamdulillah... Beautiful piece by Albani the sea of Knowledge....May Allah make his grave spacious....ameen keep them coming akhee, Inshallah your being reward fro this....for i am benefitting....

Innalhamdulillah.... Truth seeker you have fail to recognize my positions on Ahad Ahadith, Ahad hadith do not Contain doubts, rather one person can be truthworthy, corroborated by Imam Al Bukhari, In Chapter 9 of (Sahih Bukhari) he documented hadith reported by one single person and classified it as Sahih (Authentic). When a hadith is Sahih, hence it mean its from the prophet(saas)100%, without doubt, Futhermore in book of Imam As-Shafi’ee, called Ar-Risala(English), he states that a single person Narration, can be Sahih, The punishment of the Grave is reported by one person( Ahad Hadith) yet the punishment is part of the Muslim Creed (‘Aqeeda), Imaam Shafi'ee (d.204H), said: "Indeed the Punishment of the Grave is a true fact, the Resurrection is a true fact ..." {Manhaj ash-Shafi'ee, of al-Bayhaqi, 1/415.} Ever we can see that Imam Ash-Shafi-ee states that Punishment of the Grave is a true fact….. thus we can see that he took Ahad hadith Into Aqeeda….he didn’t say we have doubts about it, but rather it’s a TRUE FACT. PROVE: Imaam Ahmad (d. 241H): "we have belief in the Punishment of the Grave. {Refer to Usool us-Sunnah, no. 8 and Risalat us-Sunnah, p72. by Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal.}. Imaam at-Tahaawee (d.278H): "We have Eemaan ... in The Punishment of the Grave" {Aqeedah Tahaaweeyah, Imaam at-Tahawi, no. 79-80.}. In addition, there are countless others that I can bring in evidence of the issue at hand. I can quote from book after book, even to the extent of including actual chains of narrations; as I have them also!! So this shows without a shadow of a doubt that Aahaad Ahaadeeth were taken as part of our 'Aqeedah by the Salaf for without them we have no 'Aqeedah - except that of those who are under Allaah's punishment. Sufficient for us are our Salaf for explaining our religion !! You fail to comprehend my initial post, If we agree on the definiton then we agree that ahad hadith throught the number of narrations may contain some doubt because not enough people have narrated it to remove doubt. I dont agree!!! As far as establishing matters of Aqidah is concerned, the majority of the scholars are of the view that Ahad may not be relied upon as the basis of belief (aqidah), Which scholars….Care to name them with their fatawa (verdicts)!!!!!!! U just neglected rule number 2 !!!!!!

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Innalhamdulillah I responded to all your points with prove...every single one of them QadarAllah masha Fa'al my computer froze...and im too lazy to write it again.... look at you evidence for ayah 30:21 it doesnt say that....Allah is talking about your wive, not the people of the book!!!!!! justice, fairness and Friendship are not synonyms...you can be just & fair to your enemies while not befriending them! there was just too many errors on that thread...then i realized it was written by Alqaardawii!!!! ***Yawn*** wa salamu alaykum