Innalhamdulillah..... Brother, do you know what "Jar7 wa Tade'el" is? Because the scholars that you mentioned like Bin Baaz, Uthaymin, Ibn Ibrahim, Ibn taymiyah, Shawkani, Abdul Wahhab, etc… those who are know to be on the manhaj of the salaf, all agree that the boycotting of ahlul Bi'ah is wajib. These groups like Tableegi who claim to call to Allah when they dont even know the Usool of the deen, let alone tawheed have be refuted numerously by the scholars. Da'wah has its conditions and pillars which they fail to comprehend! The Iknwanies organization established a hizb who have made islam only a political ideology, and took their Imams those one who mocks the prophet of Allah, and speak ill of the companions, Albani said! Concerning the Ikhwanies: I said in the previous lesson, the manhaj of the Ikhwaan is: 'Gather the people into an organisation, then instruct them - then nothing.' There is nothing except blind-gathering of people into an organisation, without any teaching. The proof is that close to a century has come upon the Ikhwaanul-Muslimeen, in their different lands, and they are, in military terms, in a situation of having made no gains. Why? Because this is what their manhaj brings about. They do not advance; not in knowledge, nor in 'aqeedah, nor in behaviour, they are just as they were, completely†Source: Cassette: What the People of knowledge say About 'Abdur-Rahmaan 'Abdul-Khaaliq These and their likes have opposed the manhaj of the companions. The scholars who represent the salafi manhaj have refuted and warned that every Muslim should distance themselves for the sake of their deen. What BRother nur is doing is what we call "Taymee'" to have softness and tolerance for ahlul bi'ah, taking the good and leaving the bad of these groups and parties! The good that is found in their da'wah is found in the Salafi manhaj, everything we need to know about this religion has been explained to the companions, they are the Jamaca, and these groups and parties do not uphold the manhaj of the Jamaca! Some of their actions may look good to a normal person, while in fact it’s a hazardous to ones deen! Even the khawarij have some good in them, including the shias, but their good is lost in their sea of innovation! Mowlana Mowdudi, Nadwi, The Qutb brothers, , The common Muslim may views these individual as scholars, but the scholar don’t view them as such! Example if anyone reads the book “talbis Iblis..the devils deception†by Ibn Jawzeeyou would realized that the khawarij had knowledge of the quran and the Hadith, they heard the prophet speak, they were there when the revelation was send down! Yet the way they understood the kitab and the sunnah was not the way the companions understood it! The error in their manhaj was the result their exit from the deen! Did any of the companions consider these people as scholars, though they knew the book of Allah and Hadith? To be a scholar you need to uphold the book of Allah and the Sunnah in its true essence! These organizations take part of the book and leave the rest, take this and leave that! As for taqleed, its simple it’s to follow the ruling of a person while the sunnah and quran contradict this ruling. This person ignores the ayat of Allah and the hadith in favour for the Shaykh’ verdict! Brother nur if I made taqleed of anyone please point them out I have no doubt that Nur is salafi in some aspects and may Allah guide all of us, but please keep this in mind, Qâdî Abû Ya’lâ (d.333H) - rahimahullâh - said in Hijrul-ilbbtadi’ (p.32): “ There is ijmâ’ (consensus) from the Sahâbah and the Tâbi’în as regards dissociating and cutting-off from the Innovators.†he was from the tabee'een! wallahi 'Alim

Innalhamdulillah....Surely All praises belongs to Allah. 'Ali b. Abi Talib reported that Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) forbade on the Day of Khaibar temporary marriage (Muta') with women and the eating of the flesh of domestic asses. (sahih Muslim no. 4763) Narrated 'Ali: "I said to Ibn 'Abbas, 'During the battle of Khaibar the Prophet forbade (Nikah) Al-Mut'a [Temporary Marriage in English] and the eating of donkey's meat.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah), Volume 7, Book 62, Number 50)" The Shi'ia themselves have a Ahaadeeth narrated by Ali which states that the Prophet made Mut'aa a Haram on the day of Khaiber: (Book of Tahdeeb: vol. 7, pg. 251, rewaya 10). The author states that Ali lied for the purposes of safety (taqqiya). In Book of Istebsar: vol. 3, pg. 142, rewaya 5, there is a declaration by Ali that Mut'aa a is Haram. Again they accuse Ali of lying for safety reasons (taqqiya).

brother, im saying that the scholars are the one with the ilm, and even abu bakr was not infallable. they are the inheritors of the prophet, and when they error they still get a reward for it, unlike you bro! and the scholars of islam do not agree upon error! this is a hadith! manhaj in the religion context is the way one understands the kitab and sunnah while sunnah in the religion context is the saying and actions of the messenger of Allah(saw) bid'ah is innovation, something that replaces the sunnah! there is bi'ah fee dunyah and bi'ah fee deen! bi'ah fee deen is something that takes away a practice of the messenger of allah(saw) and replaces it with something new. so to say Calling your self a sunni is bi'ah,is crazy! because saying your a sunni simply means you follow the sunnah, which is true, and the truth can not be labelled as innovation! and again akhee, dont mix up ikhtilaf(difference of opinon) with manhaj differences! it is you who fails to comprehend this concept! and i tried to explain to you that the way of the salaf is the only acceptable way by Allah! you contend with the scholars. I gave you reference after reference of the scholars, mind you not just one, but many of them, who said the manhaj of the salaf is wajib(must) yet you clich to your views. which is fine but stop please stop saying enlighten "this ignorant servant of allah" since you have made ur righ mind already... and this is not the first time! i remember you said: firs you said! this was from the post Salafiya v.s Hizbu Thareer An advice for Nomads from an ignorant brother. then after i gave u a fatwah from the scholar u said! Justifying the validity of a group named Salafis by Sheikh Albanis comments is not sufficient for the following grounds. and you made up ur own principals then! in this thread u said! Rescue me from my ignorance i gave you prove from the scholars and their opinion because there is a reason why Allah said "Ask those which knowledge" and there is a reason why Allah takes away knowledge by the death of the scholars. so i gave u there virdicts then you come back and say: I still believe that Salafi or Sunni, or any name that is not simply "Muslim" is an innovation why do u even bother saying the following? An ignorant servant of Allah seeking Knowledge, please enlighten me and the viewers because it seems to me that you have your own understanding of islam, you understand the Kitab and sunnah according to your way, and whoever differs with your principals, including well known scholars who have devoted their life to islam, let alone the salaf(companions.tabee'en) it wont change your mind! Saxib give me a break! accept the prove from me, you dont want to call yourself salafi, fine, as long as you uphold the methodology of the salaf! that you acribe to them, refer and attach yourself to them this is the principal Ibn taymiyah the one who you admire so much!

What os ypur take on the above hadith and numerous others? you dont prevent sister from going to the masjid, thats my take! but this does not negate the fact that their home is better for them! no you dont get more reward praying in Jamaca at the masjid verses praying at HOme if your a sister! because during the time of the prophet(saas) when the women went to the mosque they went there to pray in Jamaca, and then the Prophet(saw)told them that it was better if they stayed home! example! Umm Humayd, the wife of Abu Humayd al-Saa‘idi reported that she came to the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) and said: "O Messenger of Allaah, I love to pray with you." He said: "I know that you love to pray with me, but praying in your house is better for you" (Reported by Imaam Ahmad; the men of its isnaad are thiqaat (trustworthy But the fact that praying at home is preferable does not mean that that women are not permitted to go to the mosque. i would like to issue a complain as well! I dont like the fact that the male section in the masjid is so small to accommendate all the brothers. Every friday prayer there are loads brothers who are forced to pray outside? Poor guys, some of them cant even hear the Khutba! why oh why? this is injustice! why cant they not give us more spaced im out raged! We have to look at both sides of the issues my sisters!

Innalhamdulilla... Surely All praises belongs to Allah "By the way, if you think being a former Shia is bad, " Brother, who said being a former shia is bad, i was surprised thats all re! if because you dont agree with my post makes me unknowledgeable, then Allah praises belongs to Allah truly he is the best of the judges! allah knows best that i back up my statements with either ayats/hadith or the scholars statements! Walilahamd!

Innalhamdulillah---> Surely Allah praises belongs to Alalh OG_Girl is Shia?!? :eek:

Innalhamdulillah... J11 your 100% right about this! and By Allah we muslim should only seek that which benefits us! As Aisha said, when The prophet of Allah(saw) was faced with two situation he would choose the easiest one! In the End sisters, Allah will weigh our deed on the scale, So Why oh why would you want to go to the Masjid to receive less rewards, shouldnt we all strife to Maximize our good deeds? And I agree with the lack of space in the Sister section at the masjid, however think of it as a blessing, Allah only wishes the best for you!

Innalhamdullah---> Surely All praises Belongs to Allah First of all, Allah SWT says " In case you differ on an issue, then refer to Allah(Quraan) and His Messneger ( Sunnah)" Akhee, baarakallahu feek, may Allah reward you, this ayah is commanding that we refer to The scholars of Islam, because not every Muslim knows the quran, from the abrogated verses to the ambiguous ones and so on, and none of us can take the sunnah and just derive rulings from it, we need to know what is sahih hadith and Hasan, da’eef, fabricated ect and this goes back to the science of Hadith! this is why when we differ on an issue we refer back to the Scholars of islam, because they speak on behalf of Allah and his messenger! Then this leads me to my next question, NUr who are your scholars today? akhee I honestly believe your mixing up two issues Ikhtilaf and methodology! When two parties differ on Manhaj, meaning they way they understand the Kitaab and the Sunnah, then this is not something one can tolerate, because there is only one straight path not multiples! Ikhtilaf is normal as long as you have your supporting evidences! but Ikhtilaf is not Manhaj! Walaal, Many of your references were not from Quraan, nor a hadeeth, but from respected Scholars of ahlul Sunnah wal jamacah, who becuase they are humans like us, we are at freedom to take or leave what they say as long as their ideas are not backed up with the above sources. Brother, I believe you asked me if the salaf make tajreex our other groups, now your saying is it from the quran and the sunnah, then your initial question should have been, is it in the quran and hadith to make tajreex of other groups! And these Scholars do they not follow the Quran and Hadith, are they speaking from their own desires? Why do you think Allah messenger(saas) said the BEST OF THE PEOPLE ARE FROM MY GENERATION THEN THOSE AFTER THEM THEN THOSE AFTER THEM! They are the best in understand the Quran and Hadith my brother! Please do not minimize the status of the scholars! I still believe that Salafi or Sunni, or any name that is not simply "Muslim" is an innovation, because neither the Messenger of Allah nor the Khulafaa have sanctioned these names, thus they are bidcah. 1) if calling yourself Sunni is innovation, Subhanallah, then you must refrain from saying you’re a Sunni, This is your opinion akhee, and it shall remain as such, you do not have the credentials or Knowledge to make such verdict! Rather we stick the scholars of islam because Allah takes Knowledge way from us by the death of the scholars, 'Abdullah b. 'Amr b. al-'As reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Verily, Allah does not take away knowledge by snatching it from the people but he takes away knowledge by taking away the scholars, so that when He leaves no learned person, people turn to ignorant ones as their leaders; then they are asked to deliver religious verdicts and they deliver them without knowledge, they go astray, and lead others astray.(Sahih Muslim Book 034, Number 6462) Thus it is obvious that knowledge can only be found with the scholars! So if the scholar say "Calling yourself a Sunni or Salafi is not Bi'dCa" how is it that you contradict them?

Innalhamdulillah----> Surely All praises Belongs to Alalh Mutakalim is shia???!?!?! :eek: Nur former Shia?!?!? :eek:

Bro Nur, Allah Musta3an those groups all have one thing in common . one hadith sums it up! "Wa sharrul Umoori Muhdathaatuhaa, Wa kulla Bid'atin dhaialah, wa kulla dhalatin fin-naar" Al-Hadith (Sahih Muslim). Bro, if i was unjust to any of those groups, please feel free to point out which one is free from the above Hadith!

innalhamdulillah.... Calling as-Salafiyyah a "movement" or "movements." It should be clear to all that the Salafi Da'wah is Islam, no more and no less. It is the True Islam with all its teachings and implications. Anyone who talks about it as an outsider might as well talk about Islam as an outsider! It is the teachings of the Qur'an and the authentic Sunnah in the light of practices and understanding of as-Salaf: A "movement" is meant to indicate something temporal or reactionary, whereas the Salafi Da'wah is the only true and constant and blessed Da wah of the prophets. Thinking or claiming that the Salafs are followers of a fifth madth'hab which is attributed to Ibn Taymiyyah or Ibn Baz or al-Albani. This is a grave misconception. As stated above, the Salaf sources are the Qur an, the Sunnah, and the methodology of as-Salaf: If these scholars rely in their ijtihad on these sources then we take what they say, not because they said it, rather because Allah or His Messenger said it or called to it directly or indirectly through the known channels of ijtihad. The same applies to all scholars throughout the ages. We take from them all what conforms with the Qur'an and the Sunnah and we reject what does not. The Salaf Da'wah is against all forms of 'asabiyyah and hizbiyyah (baseless allegiance for parties, factions, races, nations, etc). The only allowed allegiance is to Allah and His Messenger and to what stems from it. The leader of all Salafis is Muhammad (S). Anyone else will be respected and obeyed in as much as he obeys Allah and His Messenger. Claiming that the Salafi Da'wah calls its followers to be disorganized and chaotic in their behavior is another misconception. Work has to be organized and orderly, as was taught by the Messenger (S) on many occasions, but it should avoid the hizbiyyah disease described above. The Salafi Da'wah puts a strong emphasis on tarbiyah (education and cultivation). This is not a mere academic educational process; rather, it is a complete process which is meant to raise committed Muslims who understand their Din and who practice it in the best possible way. www.qss.com

Innalhamdulillah--> Surely All Praises belongs to Allah! Sahal as for your question, Only the scholars can take someone out of the manhaj of the salaf, and this is done with prove! the Scholars are the ones with Ilm, they are the inheritors of the prophet! Albani was exilted from 5 countries including Saudi Arabia, and he was imprisoned in Syria, Shaykh Muqbil was exilted from Saudi Arabia but they were still on the manhaj of the salaf! When it comes to politics we handled it the way the Salaf handle it, we follow their path! we do not follow our emotions like must muslims do when it comes to political issues! So for someone to leave the Salaf manhaj, they only do so when they oppose the salafi manhaj! The scholars take these individuals and first advice them in a handsome matter, explaining to them their errors, if they are persistant on this path , then the scholars warn about them, lest he should misguide others! In summary, only the scholars are fit to take someone out of the manhaj!

Bismilillah Alhamdulillah, wa Salatu wa Salamu Cala Rasulillah, Wa Cala Calihi Wa Saxbihi wa Man Tabica Huda. Akhil Karim, Nur, Baarakallahu feekum for your patience, inshallah I’ve tried to make this quick and to the point, I’m afraid if I composed a lengthy response, it will not broadcast the desire results. I must say you and I have much in common brother Nur. I, likewise, hold a special place for Ibn taymiyah and Ibnul Qayyim…. The foremost books I was exposed to was “Aqeeda Wasatiya†Ever studied this book Ya Akh fil Lah? Marvellous book…. I have memorized much of it…Walilhamd…Then By the Will of Allah Jala Wala I was exposed to the book of Ibnul Qayyin,â€Talbis Iblis†A must have for those who Yearn for pure Ilm. These two Mashaykh who have earned the title Mashaykhul-Islam, have guided me from ignorance to light, and All Praises belongs to Allah…. Tayyib with this said lets proceed Nur says: And anyone who refused being Salafi, was against the message of the Messengers, rejection of te messengers message being Kufr. Ya Akh, Salafiyah is a manhaj…. It is Ahlul Sunnah waJamaca ….. For instance the Shia are not from Ahlul Sunnah wa Jamaca, But we do not make takfir of all them …. Similarly this is the case for those who oppose the manhaj of the Salaf, takfir would depend on the level of innovations. For example some and not All Shi’a allege that The 12 Imams can perceive the Unseen (Ghayb) …and among them are those who call to Ali alongside Allah….Their stage of innovation has reaches the level of Shirk and kufr. However there are those who refrain from such vile speech, their innovation does not reach the level of shirk or Kufr, but rather their innovation buys them a one way ticket to the Fire, No matter how much good deeds they perform, until they free themselves from these innovations. They will remain there as long as Allah wills and eventually will be taken out, For indeed All innovations is misguidance and All misguidance is in the fire (hadith Sahih Muslim). In Short Salafiyah is Ahlul sunnah AlJamaca, But who are the Jamaca? The Jamaca are the salaf! and we do not make takfir of the one who opposes ASJ due to innovation unless its reaches the level of Shirk and kufr. Muhammad just being a follower of Salafiyah movement? It is incorrect to label the salafi manhaj as a movement; we must refrain from such speech. Is Ahlul Sunnah waJamaca a Movement? Secure your sights on what our Beloved Shaykh Ibn Taymiya has to say about the manhaj of the Salaf? lbn Taymiyyah (d.728H) - rahimahullaah - said: "There is no criticism for the one who proclaims the way (madhdhab) of the Salaf, who attaches himself to it and refers to it. Rather, it is obligatory to accept that from him by unanimous agreement (Ittifaaq) because the way (madhdhab) of the Salaf is nothing but the Truth (Haqq)." [Majmoo al-Fataawaa 4:149] Thus it is evident that the Madhab of the Salaf is the Truth, and the truth can not be labelled as a movement….therefore I Salafi_Online Proclaim and refer to the madhab of the salaf. And I also attach myself to them. If you are infatuation with the works of Ibn Taymiyah and Ibnul Qayyim as I am, then I’m sure you’re acquainted with Imam Adh Dahabi! For those who do not know him, he is the student of Ibn Taymiyah, and was with Ibnul Qayyim and Ibn Kathir….This is what he says: Imam ath-Thahabi said: "It is authentically related from ad-Daraqutni (a scholar from approximately 1,000 years ago) that he said: There is nothing more despised by me than 'ilmul-kalaam (innovated speech and rhetoric). I (adh-Thahabee) say: The man never entered into ’ilmul-kalaam, nor did he enter into argumentation (i.e. philosophy), he did not delve into that. Rather, he was Salafee "Siyar A'laamun-Nubalaa' (16/457) of Ath-Thahabi He says “he was Salafi†This erudite Scholar follows the footsteps of his Mentor. (ibn Taymiyah) Why? Because proclaiming, attaching and refer to the salaf, is wajib(obligatory) and when one does that, then he is a Salafi! period! No Reasonable person will doubt such logic. For example if I’m born in Somalia, then I’m a Somali, or Canada, Kanadi (Canadian), Ameriki(American) Saudi… ect ect, Meaning I have some sort of attachment to it. The Scholars of our times, Have also spoken about this issue: Allaamah, ‘Abdul-‘Azeez Ibn Baz – the [former] mufti of Saudi Arabia was asked: What do you say about the one who calls himself ‘ Salafi’ or ‘Athari’ ? Is this is a tazkiyah (purification) of his own self? So he replied – may Allaah have mercy upon him – "When he is being truthful [in his claim] that he is Salafi or Athari then there is not harm in that, [this is] similar to what the Salaf used to say, ‘So and so is a Salafi’, ‘So and so is Athari’ . This is a tazkiyah (commendation) which is necessary, a tazkiyah that is obligatory." (Cassette: Haqq ul-Muslim 16/1/1413 Ta’if) A Tazkiyah that is obligatory, doesn’t this sound similar to what ibn Taymiyah said. It is evident that the Salaf, use to say so and so is a salafi, so and so is a salafi, what more prove would you like? There are those who minimize the status of the contemporary scholars, they call them government Scholars, Walcayadubillah, or modern meaning they lack Ilm! Likes of albani, Uthaymin, fawzan, Muqbil, Anjami, Mu’sin Al’Abbaad ect The messenger of Allah said: from Aboo Hurairah – as best I know from Allaah’s Messenger, sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam, who said, "Allaah will raise for this Ummah at the head of every hundred years, he who will revive its religion for it." ’Awnul-Ma’bood (11/385-396) of al-Azeemabaadee. Need a name change, because we want to be different? Being different from those who oppose the manhaj of the Salaf is wajib(obligatory). Allah’s messenger commanded that believers oppose the Kufar in dress and actions, but what about Ahlul Bid’ah? we firmly believe that that Ahlul Bi’dah are the callers to the fire, It was said to Imâm al-Awzâ’î (d.157H) - rahimahullâh: A person says, ‘I sit with Ahlus-Sunnah and I sit with the innovators.’ So al-Awzâ’î said: “This person desires to fluctuate between the truth and falsehood.†[54] Commenting upon this saying, Ibn Battah said: “Al-Awzâ’î has indeed spoken the truth. And I say: Indeed this person does not know the truth from falsehood, nor faith from disbelief.â€: Hudhayfah - radiallâhu ’anhu - said: The people used to ask the Messenger of Allâh sallallâhu ’alayhi wa sallam about the good, but I used to ask him about the evil from fear that it would overtake me, so I said: O Messenger of Allâh! We used to be in jâhiliyyah (ignorance) and evil, then Allâh brought this good to us, so is there any evil after this good? He said: “Yes.†I said: And is there any good after that evil? He said: “Yes, but it will be tainted.†I asked: What will taint it? He said: “ A people guiding others with other than my Sunnah, you will approve of some (of their actions) and disapprove of others .†I asked: Then is there any evil after that good? He said: “Yes! Callers to the Gates of Hell-Fire, whoever responds to them in that will be thrown into it.†I said: O Messenger of Allâh! Describe them to us. He said: “ They will be from our own people and speak our language.†The Prophet sallallâhu ’alayhi wa sallam said: “Indeed, Allâh does not accept the repentance of an innovator, until he stops the innovation.†A man said to ’Abdullâh ibn ’Umar(RA): Najdah (a man from the Khawârij) says such and such. So Ibn ’Umar prevented himself from listening for fear that some of it should enter his heart. Al-Hasan (d.110H) - rahimahullâh - said: “Do not sit with the people of innovation and desires, nor argue with them, nor listen to them.†If it is in the akhlaaq of the Salaf ul Saalih, to point fingers and make tajriix of other groups who we differ in some of the aqeedah issues or Fiqh? like puting down the Tabligh, ikhwan and the Saruuri? Bro NUr, Let the Salaf speak for themselves! And no we do not differ with these people due to fiq issues, rather ‘Aqeeda only! Imaam Maalik said, " how evil are the People of Innovation, we do not give them salaam" [al-Ibaanah of ibn Battah (d.387) no.441] We dont even give them salam! Asmâ bint ’Ubayd said: Two of the people of vain desires and innovations entered upon Ibn Sîrîn (d.110H) and said: O Abû Bakr, may we speak to you? He said: “No!†They said: May we recite to you an âyâh from the Book of Allâh? He said: “No! Indeed, either you will get up and leave me, or I will get up.†So they went out and some of the people said: O Abû Bakr, what harm would it have done to you, for them to read an âyah from the Book of Allâh? He said: “I feared they they would read an âyah to me and change it, and that would remain in my heart.†An innovator asked Ayyûb as-Sakhtiyânî (d.131H): O Abû Bakr, may I ask you about a word: He turned away and indicated with his hand - “No, not even half a word.†As for the party, all Salafis, ikhwaanis, Tabliighis, Sarusri, Taxriris who follow Allah and his messenger, believe in the unseen, are invited as long as they follow It was said to Imâm al-Awzâ’î (d.157H) - rahimahullâh: A person says, ‘I sit with Ahlus-Sunnah and I sit with the innovators.’ So al-Awzâ’î said: “This person desires to fluctuate between the truth and falsehood.†[54] Commenting upon this saying, Ibn Battah said: “Al-Awzâ’î has indeed spoken the truth. And I say: Indeed this person does not know the truth from falsehood, nor faith from disbelief.†Qâdî Abû Ya’lâ (d.333H) - rahimahullâh - said in Hijrul-ilbbtadi’ (p.32): “ There is ijmâ’ (consensus) from the Sahâbah and the Tâbi’în as regards dissociating and cutting-off from the Innovators.†Yahyaa bin ‘Ubaid said: “A man from the Mu’atazilah encountered me one day, so I got up and said: “ Either you pass on or I will pass on, for indeed if I were to walk with a Christian, that would be more loved to me than if I were to walk with you.†Al-Bid’a wan-Nahee ‘anhaa (59) Arta’ Ibn al-Mundir said: “If my son were one of the sinful wicked people, that would be more beloved to me than if he were a Follower of Desires (i.e. a deviant).†[6] Akhee Shaykh Taymiyah was most Harsh with Ahlul Bi’dah, especially with those Sufies! May Allah give them what they deserve! I am in the opinion that if innovation is what we are warned against, then, calling ourselkves Salafiyah to be a clear Bidca, innovation that only creates and supports other groups to call themselves with similar cult names. Then wouldn’t calling yourself “SUNNI†be innovation? Wa Allahu Musta3an!

Innalhamdulillah.> Surely All Praises belongs to Allah. "Have you (O Muhammad SAW) seen him who has taken as his ilâh (god) his own desire? Would you then be a Wakîl (a disposer of his affairs or a watcher) over him?" (25:43) "Or do you think that most of them hear or understand? They are only like cattle; nay, they are even farther astray from the Path. (i.e. even worst than cattle). (25:44) "Nay, but those who do wrong(ie Sin) follow their own lusts without knowledge, Then who will guide him whom Allâh has sent astray? And for such there will be no helpers." (30:29) Ya Rabb...Protect us from our own desires(ahwaa)!

^^^^ WalCayadubillah As we are all aware Dhaif Hadiths can be found even in the most authentic of all books namely Bukhari, Muslim this is not true! they are called the Sahihyans( the two sahihs) Al-Nawawi said: "The two Sahihs differ from all other books only in respect to the fact that what is in them is sahih and does not require investigation." But inshallah Bilal you can read whatever you Like ! it was just an Naseeha(advice) from my part ....Alhamdulillah

Innalhamdulillah... Bilal may Allah reward you, please tell what you thing about the following....keeping in mind this Authentic Hadith, Prophet sallallahu alaihiwasallam that he said " Whoever lies on me intentionally then let him reserve his seat in hell ". (Sahih Bukhari. Vol. 1 Hadeeth no 106 and also by Imam Muslim in his preface to Sahih Muslim). The following hadith are found IN Fazi'el A'mal! QUOTE 1: Moulana Zakariyah mentions in Fazaail-e-Hajj, “Once one of the Abdaal met Khidr and inquired from him whether he had ever met anyone among the saints whom he considered higher in rank than himself. To this he replied, ‘Yes, I have. I was present once in the Masjid in Medina, where I saw Hazrat Shaikh Abdur Razzak directing Hadeeth to his students. On one side was a young man sitting with his head bent on his knees. I went to him and addressed him thus, ‘do you not see the gathering listening to the words of Rasoolullah. Why do you not join them?’ Without lifting up his head or turning in my direction the youth answered: “Over there you see those who listen to the Hadeeth from the mouth of Abdur-Razzak (the slave of the sustainer), while over here you see him who listens to Hadeeth directly from Ar-Razzak (Allah).†Khidr said to him, “If what you say is true then you should be able to tell me who I am. Who am I?†He lifted up his head and said, ‘If my intuition does not fail me then you are Khidr.’ Hazrat Khidr said, “From that I realized that among the saints of Allah there are such who are so exalted in rank that I cannot recognize them.†[Fazaail-e-Aamaal, Virtues of Hajj, (Eng. Trans.), Chapter.9, story no.9, p.171, (New Edition 1982, Published by Dini Book Depot - Delhi).] NOTE: The Deobandi translator of Ikhmaalush Shiyaam defines an Abdaal saying, “Abdaal are a class of Awliya whose identities remain concealed. They possess miraculous powers and execute a variety of tasks under Divine Command in various places of the world.†(Astagfir-Allah) [ikhmaalush Shiyaam (Eng. Trans.) p.59.] This Story Promotes that the false belief that someone can receive knowledge directly from Allah without the mediation of the Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) and to receive knowledge from Allah is something specific for the Messengers. Or this one! "Once a group of Arabs went to visit the grave of a very generous person and stayed there for the night. One of them in a dream saw the man of the grave who asked him to sell his camel for his Bakhti camel (Bakhti is a good kind of camel). The man agreed and the man of the grave stood and slaughtered the camel. When the man woke up, he found it bleeding. He slaughtered it and distributed the meat. When the group returned then at a stage, a man came riding a Bakhti camel and enquired whether among them was a man of such and such name. The man who saw the dream came forward and said he was that man. The man related his dream. The camel rider said the man of the grave was his father and he had directed him in a dream to give this camel to him. He gave the animal to the man and went away." Fazaail-e-Aamaal, (Eng. Trans.), Virtues of Charity, Chapter.7, story no.16, p.193, (New Edition 1982, Published by Dini Book Depot - Delhi). These Stories teach that the inhabitants of the graves can help the living. This belief forms the basis for Grave Worshipping. Speech of the Scholars About the Tableegh Wal Jamac'a Shaykh ‘Abdul-‘Azeez bin Baaz (rahima-hullaah) was asked about the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh, so the questioner asked: Q. we hear about the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh and that which their da’wah entails. So would you advise me to join this Jamaa’ah (group). I anticipate your guidance and advice, and may Allaah reward you immensely. So the Shaykh responded by saying: Whoever invites to (the path of) Allaah, then he is a muballigh (one who conveys the message (of Islaam)), (as the hadeeth mentions): ((Convey from me, even if it be a (single) Aayah)); However, the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh (originally) from India have many deviations. They have some aspects of bid’ah and shirk, so it is not permissible to go (out) with them, except for a person who has knowledge and goes (out) with them to disapprove of what they are upon and to teach them (the truth). If, however, he goes (out) to follow and adhere to them, then no. This was extracted from the tape: ‘Fatwa Samaahatush-Shaykh ‘Abdul ‘Azeez Ibn Baaz concerning the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh’ which was published in Ta’if about two years before the Sahykh’s death. Fatwa of the Noble Shaykh Muhammed Naasir-ud-Deen al-Albaanee regarding the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh He (Rahimahullaah) was asked: "What is your opinion concerning the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh? Is it permissible for a student of knowledge or other than him to go out with them under the guise of inviting to (the path of) Allaah?" So he responded: The Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh does not uphold the manhaj of the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger and that which our Salaf as-Saalih were upon.

Bro Bilal look into this book " Fazail A'mal" you find that it contains enormous kufr, stories like graveworshiping, seeking shafa'a(intersection) through others....and many more stories that deal with Shirk. The publisher of this book have recored all the errors and denounced it...So inshallah I advice you to look it that. I'll give you one example: Allah says in the Quraan, “Verily! Allah, with Him (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour, He sends down the rain, and knows that which is in the womb. No person knows what he will earn tomorrow, and no person knows what land he will die. Verily, Allah is All-Knower, All-Aware.†[soorah Luqman (31): 34] But the Fazaail Aamal says, “Abul Husain Maliki says that he associated with Shaikh Khair Nurbaf for several years. The Shaikh said to him, eight days before his death. ‘I shall die on Thursday evening, at the time of Maghrib Salaat, and I shall be buried on Friday after Jumuah Salaat.†Although, he advised me not to forget, but I forgot about it and, on Friday morning, a man told me about the Shaikh’s death. I immediately went to his place… asked people the details of the Shaikh’s experience of death. A person… narrated to me that the Shaikh swooned for a while just before Maghrib Salaat. Then, he recovered somewhat and said to someone in the corner of the room, who was invisible to others, ‘Stop for a while; you have been commanded to do a thing and I have been commanded to do a thing. That which you are commanded to do (viz. to take my life) will not escape you, but that which I am commanded to do (viz. to observe Maghrib Salaat) will escape me. Let me do as I am commanded.†He then called for water, made a fresh Wudhu and performed Maghrib Salaat. After this, he laid himself on the bed, closed his eyes and gave up his life.†[Fazaail-e-Aamaal, (Eng. Trans.) Virtues of Charity, Chapter.6, p.609, (2nd South African Impression 1414-1993. Published by Waterval Islamic Institute)] This Story Promotes that certain individuals know the place and time of their death and even make the Angel of Death wait until they have finished their prayers. Clearily contridicts the Quran and Sunnah. Wa Allahu A'lim

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Innalhamdulillah... by reflecting on Creation and the Creator? Reflecting on the creation is one thing, but reflecting on the Creator now that troubles me! Did i miss quote you again?lol Hope to see you at the Shia v.s Sunni discussion

Innalhamdulillah.... I think some of us are fortune enough to know what the proper Hijab is, some of us do not, and some of us know what is it, but we do not have the courage or iman to put it to practice.....Ngonge was just simply saying this is not a proper Hijab, point well taken.... Perhaps someone who wasnt aware of this fact learned a valuable lesson after reading his Post, Wa Allahu 'Alim....

Innalhamdulillah.. Akhee, book Nahj al-Balagha is a Shi'ee book, i did some research, they only use it, The Sunni Scholars do not refer to it , for it contains Many if not all Weak, fabricated Ahadith, Lastly, You say! I might be wrong in trying to comprehend the Creator, but it is difficult to avoid that kind of reflection. When I think about the purpose of life, the bounties of Allah (SWT), our duties and obligations, The Holy Qura'n and everything else within our universe, it is difficult not to think about the Divine Essence of Allah (SWT). Bro, No matter what you do, you will never comprehend the creator, I think about the purpose of life, you think about the purpose of life? Allah said," I have not created manking and jinns except that they worship me."51:55 What is there to think about....the map to worshiping Allah has been layed down by the quran and SUnnah....So Viking what are you thinking about? Didnt you HEar the ayat, "We hear and we obey"...Just do as your told is our duties in this life! As for those Quotes by Imam(and Sunnies dont refer to him as Imam, this is prevailing custom of the Shias).... I truly dont believe he said such words, free he is from such rethoric.

^^^ what are you talking about....

Innalhamdalilah.... Viking there are few things on your post that i can't apprenhend. "And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little." We might not be able to comprehend Allah (SWT) fully We can not comprehend Allah AT ALL! "There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer.(42:11) If there is nothing like him, nothing at all, Then how can You comprehend that which your mind can not conceive? Futhermore that Ayat, 52:35, is directed to the Kafireen, who reject the existence of Allah, As for the Mu'min, Allah informed us of our creation, how Adam was created and then us..and how we were formed..the whole 9 years.... Futhermore We can not make our own tafsir of the quran. This is why we must Clich to the narration of the messenger of Allah(saas) when he said "do not reflect about Allah or ponder About Allah, rather reflect on his creation" note: this book: Nahj al-balaghah It does not ring a bell, please enlighten me Viking, Could it be a Shia book?

Innalhamdulillah The Prophet, peace be upon him, said: "reflect about the signs of Allah, the Almighty, do not reflect about Allah ." (Saheeh Al-Jami' 2975) Plus i would like to get a reference for that above Quote by Imam Ali, I am Assuming its Ali Ibn Talib(RA) you are refering to....If not please clearify.

Innalhamdulillah... sahal Im starting to like you lol...Inshallah akhee...however im tied up with a post im writing for Nur...So inshallah u will be patient with me as well.