Innalhamdulillah---Surley All praises Belongs to Allah! I clearly included the meaning (followers of Mohammed SAW) in my question to avoid this sort of irrelevant reply. If they 'feel' we worshiped Mohamed then they'd probably feel you worship Salafs. Brother, those who initiated this term were those who worship Christ the son of Mary(Christians) Muhammadan does not mean (followers of Muhammad) this is your own doing, rather It means the worshippers of Muhammad, because they, the worshipers of Christ named their religion after their Founder(according to them Jesus is the founder) and they took him as their God! When does it start BEFORE IBRAAHIM(AS) OR AFTER THE PROPHET (SAW) and who was the first Salafi? Akhee Salafiyah is Islam, as imam Ibn Tayyimah said, following the madhab of the salaf is nothing but the truth! The pure religion that Muhammad(saw) came with, without being mix with misguidance as we witness today! Question to you, did Islam start before Ibrahim? As I stated before: “Thus WE can say Adam(as)is the first person Allah established this manhaj with! And this manhaj will remain with us until Yawmul Qiyam(day of Resurrection)†Akhi feelah, did you happen to miss this point when you were revised my work? So are Abu Bakr(ra) or Umar(ra) or any of the companions are not Salafis but Fatima the daughter of the Prophet is? brother the linguistic meaning of the word Salaf means predecessor, without doubt the messenger of Allah preceded Fatimah and the rest of the sahab in belief, Thus he is “Their†Salaf, and they follow him so they are salafies in this regard! however akhee, and NOTE, I said “We†meaning those who live in this time of ours, “We†call the Sahabs our salaf, because they are not our “salafiesâ€, they dont follow us! instead “WE†are their followers! We are the salafies and they are our Salaf, And the Messenger of Allah is our salaf and so are all the other prophets (those who preceded us ) Its like a chain of narration, we follow the Sahabs, the sahibs follow the messenger of Allah, and whatever the messenger of allah(saas) brought then all the other prophets where upon it, and this only refers to matter of beliefs, cause the prophets had different legislations but the same ‘Aqeeda! That's good thing but this is what the Prophet (saw) wanted: brother you cant just take a hadith and make a ruling with it! By Allah is this not the way! there are hadith that need other hadiths to explain it! and some are self explanatory! Example" Sunnah: Who's sunnah would that be? Akhee By Allah the sunnah that the Shia follow is not the same sunnah that the I follow, I believe that after the Messenger of Allah(saw) the best and most suitable person to lead the Ummah is Abu Bakr, they say Ali, they believe in the 12 imams who can see the unseen, i believe its Taghoot! the Sunnah that the Murji follows is not the same Sunnah that I follow, And by Allah the sunnah that Sufies follow is not the same sunnah that I follow. The HIzbu Taxrir don’t accept Ahad Hadith into Aqeeda, while I do, The Khawarij call muslims disbelievers due to major sins, while I don’t, the Qadariyah deny the Divine Pre-Determination, while I dont! So according to that Hadith, who is following the real Sunnah, the one that the messenger of Allah(saw) was talking about? Quran: interpretations The way the Ash’aries/Habashies interpret the quran is not the way I understand it, They say Allah exist without a place, I say that Allah is above the seven heavens on his throne in a matter that suits is majesty, I say Allah has hands and face, and eyes, yet they are not the same as his creatures, They say Allah has no hands or eyes or face, rather those ayahs are allegories! The sufies believe in floating death Shaykhs, and believe in shafa'h from the death, I perceive it as Shirk ! So who is following the right interpretations of the Quran Ya mr Ayub? And Allah knows best! wa jazakallahu khair!

YOu see Mr Ayub, the salaf were like doctors of the deen, first we need to know what the brother is suffering from, and hence we can prescribe the antidote for his ailment! So we need to know what he thinks of the Khalifah and the necessaty of an islamic State and their proves!

^^^^ Thus you spake my friend,indeed you spake

^^^^ what is your position about the Khalifah and the necessity of an islamic state?

Thanx Saxib! was the imam Shi'ee or Sunni?

Innalhamdallah---Surely All praises belongs to Allah! Statement 3 Stated Shaikh Usaamah al-Qoosee: "It is important to make a notification here of what has been distributed in the past couple of years with the title ‘al-Khitaab adh-Dhahabee’, belonging to Shaikh Bakr bin Abdullaah Abu Zaid. This world has been filled by this short discourse by the biased partisans and activists, and they claim that it is decisive proof after which there can be no other decisive proof. Firstly: Shaikh Bakr Abu Zaid – may Allaah preserve him – and guide him and us, when Shaikh Rabee’ spoke to him directly, saying, "I sent you a draft copy of my book ‘Adwaa Islaamiyyah alaa Aqeedah Sayyid Qutb wa Fikrihi’ but you did not refute my book, you did not refute the drat copy…" meaning Shaikh Bakr Abu Zaid did not originally send a refutation to Shaikh Rabee from the very beginning. Shaikh Rabee’ sent a copy of the draft to a group of the scholars. Some of them wrote introductions to the book, others praised it and others lavishly commended it. The important point here is that what was Shaikh Bakr Abu Zaid’s position towards it? He did not refute the book, nor did he comment upon it. So then Shaikh Rabee’ was taken by surprise, especially when he did not receive a refutation from Shaikh Bakr, so he was taken by surprise by this discourse entitled ‘al-Khitaab adh-Dhahabee’ (The Golden Discourse), which had been spread in every part of the world. Shaikh Rabee’ then got on the phone with Shaikh Bakr and said, "What is this?!" He replied, "By Allaah, I do not have any knowledge about this matter. About this, I say may Allaah curse the one who distributes this discourse." And Shaikh Rabee’ personally told this to me that he, Bakr Abu Zaid, said, "May Allaah curse the one who distributes this discourse." So he supplicated against such a one with a curse and we say ‘Aameen’. Secondly: Shaikh Ali al-Halabi – may Allaah preserve him – informed me that he asked Shaikh Bakr Abu Zaid in his own house about this discourse and he said, "By Allaah these were words that I had written and I was hoping to send them to Shaikh Rabee’ however, I put them away since they were in need of improvement. However, they were then taken from my office without my knowledge and distributed. And I do not know who did that." The important thing is that whatever the case, it is binding upon Shaikh Bakr that he frees himself from this discourse in the same manner that his discourse was actually spread (in the first place) (i.e. openly and publicly). However he has not done so??!! He has not done so. So I say, for the purpose of refuting this falsehood which has been spread under the name, "al-Khitaab adh-Dhahabee", "al-Khitaab adh-Dhahabee", "al-Khitaab adh-Dhahabee", that firstly, our Shaikh, Shaikh Rabee’ did not receive any reply from Shaikh Bakr to this day of ours, against this book (of Shaikh Rabee’ refuting Qutb), no comments, no observations, no pieces of advice. And for this reason our Shaikh, Shaikh Rabee’ felt compelled to write a book in which he refutes all these claims – even if Shaikh Bakr says that the discourse was taken from him or even if he curses the one who distributes it, or … or … However this discourse requires a separate refutation in another book called, ‘al-Hadd al-Faasil Bayn al-Haqq wal-Baatil’, which is actually a refutation of this so called discourse. Therefore, whoever reads the so called "Golden Discourse", and it is not golden at all, and indeed, as we have mentioned its author says, "May Allaah curse the one who distributes it" and we say "Aameen", we say Ameen to the supplication of the one who authored this discourse. So when you read this discourse, then you should also read along with it the refutation of it so that you be from the just people… And all praise is due to Allaah, the Lord of all the Worlds, for the truth has surely appeared since the our Shaikh wrote ‘al-Hadd al-Faasil Bayn al-Haqq wal-Baatil’." Cassette Lecture. Explanation of the book of Shaikh Rabee’ ‘The Methodology of the Prophets in Calling to Allaah’ (15th-19th/Rabee’ al-Awwal/1421H)

^ a muslim who murders. DA, according to ALLAh, the lord of the heavens and earth, Shirk is the greatest crime that deserves the ultimate Punishment; Jahaanaam for eternety! On the other hand Allah may forgive the muslim Murderer! Second DA, Allah the sublime, the Majestic said; "O you who believe! If a (fasiQ) rebellious evil person comes to you with a news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done" (49:6) these people who wrote this articles are kufar, DA did you verify it before you posted it?

the funny thing is that these so called terrorist actually believe they are defending DA and the rest of the muslim world! but DA and the rest of the muslim world aren't interested! I would personally never read any report by a kufar against the muslims, their main goal in life is to take down islam by any means necessary, deception being their main weapon! and may Allah guide those muslims who believe they are doing good for the Ummah, but reality cause more harm then good! sister D.A who is worst, someone who does Shirk or a muslim who murders?

Brother Nur, Thanx walal for the post the Naseeha of Bakr bin Zayd, and here is the reply from the scholars to the so called An-Nasihah adh-Dhahabiyyah" (The Golden Advice)! As our beloved Sister said, we take the truth when it is presented to us no matter who it is from! Statement 1 Shaikh Rabee Ibn Haadee wrote: "In the Name of Allaah, Full of Mercy, Ever-Merciful (to His Believing Servants). All praise is due to Allaah and prayers and peace upon the Messenger of Allaah, his companions and whoever follows his guidance. To proceed: Then the people upon falsehood have attached themselves to the letter of Shaikh Bakr Abu Zaid in such a severe manner, like the drowning person holds onto a splinter (of wood). However, in truth these papers are devoid of truth and only aid falsehood, without (containing) any knowledge, guidance or (having any basis in) the Illuminating Book. Rather to the one who acquires his understanding from Allaah and His Messenger and who respects his own intelligence and who respects the truth, they are more feeble than the house of a spider. And these papers do not suit the one to whom they are described (i.e. the author), due to what they contain of false lies. It is for this reason that you see him fleeing from them. And some of the people of nobility, excellence and erudition rejected these writings, amongst the Shaikh Salih al-Fawzaan and Shaikh Sa’d al-Hussain, and he wrote a refutation of this letter. Rather I say that anyone who respects the Salafi manhaj will reject what this letter contains. And I also mention that amongst those who checked over this letter after me was Shaikh Zaid Muhammad Haadee Madhkhalee. And (eventually) Shaikh Bakr Abu Zaid disliked that his letter should be distributed, rather he reviled the one who distributed it. And also amongst those who followed him (Shaikh Bakr Abu Zaid) up and who requested him to make an apology was Shaikh Alee Hasan ‘Abdul-Hameed. So Shaikh Bakr Abu Zaid promised him that he would make an apology but he has not yet done so. And what gives evidence to the fact that he was annoyed and dissatisfied with his letter is that he was not pleased that it should be distributed, neither did he have it printed and nor did he give it a title. However, the foolish minded, the aiders of falsehood, and of wahdatul-wujood and hulool and ta’teel of the Attributes and revilement of the Companions, rather the revilement of the Noble Messengers and attacking them and other such heresies which the books of Sayyid Qutb contain –they are the ones who printed and distributed it. And Rabee’ bin Haadee Umayr al-Madkhalee refuted them (i.e. the books of Qutb) in four books, assisting the deen of Allaah and His Messengers in all of that and defending the Companions of the Seal of the Noble Messengers. Hence, it is sufficient dignity for Rabee’ that he defends the deen of Allaah and the those who carried and conveyed it. And it is sufficient humiliation and ignominy for the defenders of Sayyid that they have contested the truth and its carriers from among the Prophets and their Companions. Written by: Rabee’ bin Haadee ‘Umayr al-Madkhalee. Stamped and Dated 14/3/1421H Statement 2 The Noble Shaikh Rabee' also said, a few months later, in his introduction to ‘al-Hadd ul-Faasil’ which is a refutation of Shaikh Bakr Abu Zaid’s letter: "In the Name of Allaah, Full of Mercy, Ever-Merciful (to His Believing Servants). All praise is due to Allaah and prayers and peace upon best of creation, Muhammad Bin Abdullaah, his family, his companions and whoever follows his guidance. To proceed: A few years ago four pages (of writings) came out and which were attributed to Shaikh Bakr Abu Zaid. So when I asked him about them, he became annoyed about them and also about those who had distributed them and he said to me, "These people want to cause separation between those who love each other". And likewise, Shaikh Zaid bin Muhammad bin Haadee al-Madkhalee also asked him about these papers and so he reviled those who spread these papers. And also in front of others, [the Shaikh] made excuses and said that these papers were stolen from him and were spread without his consent and satisfaction. And up until now, he has not officially and openly acknowledged them, and neither is he happy about them being printed and distributed, and hence, these papers are tantamount to a foundling (abandoned baby), with no legal father (as its claimant). It is deserving for every sensible person that he should become ashamed on account of them, because the very one to whom they are attributed refuses to acknowledge them. And it is also deserving for the one who to whom they are attributed to be ashamed on account of them, since they defend falsehood and they also defend a very great strayer who gathered together the greatest of strayings and disgraces, amongst them: reviling the Messenger of Allaah from amongst the greatest of the messengers of Allaah, and from the greatest of the resolute (oulil-azm) is the Kaleem of Allaah Moosa (salallaahu alaihi wasallam), and amongst them: reviling the greatest of the companions of Allaah’s Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam), chief amongst them, Uthmaan (radiallaahu anhu) – rather Takfir of some of them and accusing others with hypocrisy, lying, bribery, buying the various (material) stocks and liabilities (from the Bayt ul-Maal) to the end of his despicable revilement of the companions of Muhammad (salallaahu alaihi wasallam) and may Allaah be pleased with them. So say whatever you like in reprimand of these papers which have falsely been labelled " An-Nasihah adh-Dhahabiyyah" (The Golden Advice) and which have been distributed across the world with all intensity. And amongst their flaws is that they are more flimsy than the house of a spider due to their being devoid of truth, knowledge and justice. They do not do justice for those who were reviled by Sayyid Qutb amongst the Prophets and companions of Allaahs’ Messenger (salallaahu alaihi wasallam), and neither do they do justice to Islaam when Sayyid Qutb attributes the most evil of beliefs to it, the most astray of them being the belief of Wahdat ul-Wujood (Physical Unity of Existence) and that of Hulool (indwelling of Allaah) and denial (ta’teel) of Allaah’s attributes and belittling the miracles of the Muhammad (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam), and also his ascription of Marxist Socialism to Islaam, and also his belittlement of Islaam by saying: "And it is necessary for Islaam to judge, since it is a unique, constructive and positivist aqidah which has been moulded and shaped from Christianity and Communism together, in the most perfect of ways and which comprises all of their (i.e Christianity and Communism’s) objectives and adds in addition to them harmony, balance and justice." And other such misguidance. However, the followers of every so and so make him revered and raised and so they grant him the position of the one who cannot be questioned as to what he does. And then they show loyalty and enmity for his sake and so they place themselves in the lowest of the levels of mankind, such that they have not sense or intelligence that will prevent them from this. So they do not follow the methodology of Islaam in their loyalty and disownment and in their rulings and their positions. This is in fact the characteristic of the rowdy hooligans of every age and place, and it is with the likes of these such people that the Messengers, the righteous and the callers to truth are warred against in every time and place. And then from them emerge the lowly ones who then occupy the rank of the great ones – and then they become tawaagheet (who are obeyed and listened beyond their sharee’ah limits) on account of whom the true religion of Allaah and its callers are fought against. And finally, I find myself compelled to grant the permission for the printing of this book, ‘al-Hadd al-Faasil’ as a clarification of the truth, and as a means of aiding it and demolishing the falsehood of Sayyid Qutb, which is spread in the name of Islaam, and in order to repel the oppression of his awliyaa, the aiders of falsehood and those who defend its people. And this occurs from me after a very long wait for Bakr Abu Zaid to show some sense of justice and to announce the conviction (of crime) of whoever spreads and distributes his papers, and in the name of ‘adh-Dhahabiyyah’, and who brags about them. However, he has not yet done so, and hence I have been compelled to spread my refutation of him, after I had made many excuses for him and after many others had also censured him. Written by Rabee’ bin Haadee ‘Umayr al-Madkhalee 14/5/1421H.

Sheikh Bakar Bin Zeyd, member of Kibaarul Culama, has written about Sayyid? or is he also the same like Sayyid. Brother Nur, how is that you didnt add Ibn Jibreen to the above mentioned. Over the past years, the Qutubiyyah have tried relentlessly to defend their leader and Imaam, Sayyid Qutb and to hide his great errors and calamitous statements. To this end they presented to the common-folk what they portrayed as Tazkiyaat (praises or certifications) of some of the Ulamaa and Mashayikh for Sayyid Qutb – whilst being ignorant, or pretending to be ignorant - of the principles of al-Jarh wat-Ta’deel. Needless to say, i read what of Shaykh Bakr bin Zaid wrote and what he has to say, but we hold the position of shaykh Rabee ibn Hadee, we do not choose his opinion which is only an opinion over the proves of all the scholars, the likes of Albani, Uthaymin, Bin Baaz, Muqbil who are more knowledgeable then bakr bin Zayd and Ibn Jibreen! brother nur i've asked you this before, are you fimiliar with the principal of "Jarh'Wa Ta'adee'l" which one takes Precedence? also have you read the book by Shaykh Rabee ibn Haadee( ‘al-Awaasim Mimmaa Fee Kutub Sayyid Qutub Minal-Qawaasim’ ) that Ibn baaz, Uthaymin and Albani all praised! Sahal brother! The Extremist Murji’ah who have emerged in the current times have no precedence before them in the history of Islaam in their defence of those who assault the Messengers of Allaah, make mockery of them, and who perform takfir of the Companions of Allaah’s Messenger and accuse them of hypocrisy and treachery and slander and make mockery of Uthmaan (radiallaahu anhu) and who call for the abolition of parts of the Islamic Sharee’ah because it is not suitable for the times. So when their Sayyid and Imaam is refuted by the Mashayikh of Ahl us-Sunnah and foremost amongst them Shaikh Rabee’ bin Haadee al-Madkhalee – may Allaah preserve him, it only increases them in their rage and hatred – not for the sake of the Islaamic Aqeedah and the honour of the Prophets and Companions, but for the sake of their Sayyid and Imaam. But mockery of the Prophets and takfir of the Sahabah does not enrage them, and refuge is from Allaah from such vile and filthy Irjaa’ which necessitates silence in the face of statements of disbelief and apostasy. brother nur thanx for the article its rather long!

Sufis do, as to why they do it, you should ask a Sufi. Imaam Ash-Shaa'fee on Sufism: "If a person exercised Sufism (Tasawafa) at the beginning of the day, he does not come to Dhuhur except an idio* ." [Talbees Iblees]. Ibn jazee’ he also said! "Nobody accompanied the Sufis forty days and had his brain return (ever)." [Talbees Iblees]. Concerning the famous Sufi leader, Al-Harith Al-Muhasbi, Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbaal ® said: "Warn people from Al-Harith a Sufi leader the strongest warning!... He is the shelter of the Ahl Kalaam (people of rhetoric)." [Talbees Iblis]. Brother Viking, Why is that you consider sufies as “sunnies†but not consider Shia as “sunniesâ€? Its evident that these two great Imams despised Sufism, not to mention ibn taymiyah! Over 300 scholars were summoned to debate the issue and in the end ibn Baz issued a fatwa, the rest is history. I don't know which ones were for and against, but the majority of them had to have agreed to it to pass. Brother do you know where I can find this statistic ! When we speak about the religion of Allah, we should always provide evidences brother! Allah said,†If indeed you speak the truth, then where is your prove?†Imam Shaikh Saleem al-Hilaalee student of Albani says: In Q&A session was asked about the gulf war! A. As regards the events in the Gulf - the view of Shaikh al-Albanee and our view, is that we do not permit seeking the aid of the Mushriks, and the position of shaikh Naasir - may Allah increase him in good - is clear and contains no ambiguity - not out of love for one side or from fear of other - but rather due to the fear of Allah - subhaanaahu wa ta'aalaa. Secondly: Those scholars, and we must have good thoughts about them - and it is Allah who takes account of them - then they are mild in their advising the rulers - so that hopefully Allah will correct them - that is the thought we hold about them. We do not agree about their Fatwaa about the war in the Gulf - they are not correct in our view - but they still receive reward for it - they performed ijtihaad and erred - and we have nathing to add to that - and that is our saying with regards to all the scholars - is they are incorrect they receive only one reward and if they are correct then they receive two rewards. And we have a different view about the affairs in the Gulf - about the presence of the American and the enemies of Allah - subhaanaahu wa ta'aalaa - in the Muslim land - we do not permit that. How do you know Hosni Mubarak, King Abdullah, Hafez al Asad etc are Muslims? They are all secular leaders just like Saddam was. We can question everyone's faith sxb, but that is a dangerous thing to do. We could call the Saudi monarchy infidels for letting the americans suck the Saudi waelth for decades, we could brand the sheikhs heretics for inviting infidels etc etc. But suhannaAllah, we have to be careful because we are not the judge of that, Allah SWT is. Its simple brother, because none of them ascribe to the ba’ath socialist atheist party! do you happened to know the creed of this party! Ask any arab what the Ba’ath party stands for! do some research brother! So they let the kufar into their country and they invited them, is this an issue of disbelieve? If so where can I find it in the book of Allah and the sunnah of his Rasul(sas)? read the article! Don't get smart with me mate. Are you trying to justify the presence of the americans because they weren't stationed in Mecca or Medina? No im not, but you said the holy land, as far as I know “the Haaram†this does not include Jedda, Riyyad, and other cites like them! so to say they invited the Kufar into the Holy land is a mistake! just Admit it! Do you think it is good to have a branch of McDonalds in Mecca? What does that say about us? Whats wrong with MCdonalds if its halal? The prophet(saw) brought food from the jews, even ate with them before his death, did business with christians and jews! so what are you getting at! A treaty is permissible but siding with them, paying for their expenses of war towards Muslims, giving them bases to launch an attack on Muslims and helping them in any way to fight against your fellow Muslims isn't Brother its agreed 100% by the scholars of this ummah unanimously that Saadam is a kafir, and shall remain until he frees himself from his party! But Assuming the Iraqi Regime are Muslims, then when they invaded Kuwait, wouldnt that be two believers fighting one another? If so what are we instructed to do in the Book of Allah? Wallahu Alim

]www.muslimcreed.com Sis are you a member? i use to be part of their crew! BUt now my friends and I are banned by Abu Layth! indeed he isn’t the first scholar to commit small mistakes....how other scholars have committed mistakes which haven’t discredited their ranks, Shaikh Abdullaah ad-Dawaish - may Allaah have mercy upon him. He criticised 'az-Zilaal' a number of years ago and recorded over 180 mistakes in the matters of 'aqeedah and manhaj in his book 'al-Mawrid az-Zalaal fit -Tanbeeh alaa Akhtaa az-Zilaal' His rebuke and censure of the Companions of Allaah's Messenger Muhammad (s.a.w.s), His rebuke and censure of the Companions of Allaah's Messenger Muhammad (s.a.w.s), especially Uthmaan (radiyallâhu'anhu) Indeed, it was a truly a trial that Alee was not the third of the Rightly Guided Caliphs" (p.191 5th edn & p.162 12th edn.) "And we tend to the opinion that the Khilaafah of Alee was the natural extension of the Khilaafah of the two sheikhs [i.e. Abu Bakr and Umar] and that the era of Uthmaan was merely a gap in between" (p.206 5th edn.) "And it is unfortunate that the Khilaafah came to Uthmaan when he was an old man; his determination had weakened and did not reach the goals intended by Islaam; and his resolve was too weak to steadfastly face the plots of Marwaan and plots of Umayyah beyond that." (p.186 5th edn.) "The Companions saw this deviation from the spirit of Islaam, and would call one another to al-Madeenah to save Islaam and to save Islaam from the trial; and the Khalifah - in his old age, and his state brought about by advanced age - did not possess control of his affair to the expense of Marwaan. It is difficult to accuse the spirit of Islaam in the person of Islaam, but it is likewise difficult to pardon him for the error of the unfortunate occurrence of his taking the Khilaafah whilst he was a weakened old man, who was surrounded by evil courtiers from Banu Umayyah ..." (p.189 5th edn and its meaning is on p.161 of the 12th edn.) he attacks ‘Uthmaan many times in his book ‘al-‘Adaalah al-Ijtimaa’iyyah’ * [pp. 141, 142, 155, 159, 160, 161, 163, 172, 173, 174, 175, 176 : 9th edition, 1403H, Daarush - Shurooq.] Bani Umayyah, Uthman clan are Evil?!? did he not read this hadith? Ibn ‘Umar, who said, “We used to say, whilst Allah’s Messenger was amongst us, ‘The best of people after the Messenger of Allah is Abu Bakr, then ‘Umar, then’Uthmaan .’ The Prophet would hear of that and not criticise it.â€This is reported by al-Bukhaaree (5/6/no.7), His rebuke and censure of the Prophet of Allaah, Moosa (alaihis- salaam) and making him the object of ridicule. His rebuke and censure of the Prophet of Allaah, Moosa (alaihis- salaam) and making him the object of ridicule. Sayyid Qutb said, in at-Tasweer al-Fannee fil-Qur'aan: "Let us take Moosaa - he is the example of the fiery, excitable leader

Actually the brother was telling me that msoques are basically men's club because of a hadith that states you got extra ajar for praying at home. I asked him to give me a directive from the Koran, as every good muslim should ask and he didn't respond back. I don't take knowledge from heresay on the net, brother. That's just not logical. DA, sorry to say but i dont recalling coming across this! QadarAllah wa ma sha Fa'al Needless to say here is the Hadith, mind you i never said it was a Quraanic ayat: assuming you accept hadiths!!!! Umm Humayd, the wife of Abu Humayd al-Saa‘idi reported that she came to the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) and said: "O Messenger of Allaah, I love to pray with you." He said: "I know that you love to pray with me, but praying in your house is better for you" (Reported by Imaam Ahmad; the men of its isnaad are thiqaat (trustworthy) Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) . He said: " Do not prevent your women from going to the mosque, even though their houses are better for them." (Reported by Abu Dawud in al-Sunan, Baab maa jaa’a fee khurooj al-nisaa’ ilaa’l-masjid: Baab al-tashdeed fee dhaalik. See also Saheeh al-Jaami‘, no. 7458). Ps. But then again, not everyone is a Salafi! I will ignore this inshallah!

When Saddam invaded Kuwait, the saudi Ulama made the decision to invite Americans on to our holy lands and fight a fellow Muslim Brother can i have refer as to where all the Saudi Ulaa made this decision. it is a well known fact that some of the Ulam opposed the invasion, Albani being one of them, even though he is not a saudi Scholar! Uthaymin and others! brother as for, Saadam what is the speech of the scholar concerning his belief? how do you know he is a muslim? doesnt he belong to the atheist ba'ath party? third, this holy land you speak of is that All of saudiyah or just mecca and medinah? if say the latter, then brother can you please give me reference to when and where in mecca and medinah the Americans were situated? fourth is it permisable to have a threaty with the kafir or not? Did the messenger of allah have threat with the kufar?

Do you agree its not good to call ourselves Mohammedans(follower of Mohammad (SAW), if so why do you think its OK to call yourself Salafi(follower of the Salaf)? Brother Ayub, this terminology was derived by those who worship other then Allah. It is accustom of theirs to name their religion after their idols. They refer to us Mohammedans for the simple fact that they feel we worshiped Muhammad. This thought is a crime and we free ourselves from it Brother, for argument sake lets say for a moment that the name Muhammadan was acceptable, then anyone who attests to religion of Islam would be a Muhammadans, that would include all the 73 sects and their branches. However the salafi name is exclusive only to those who ascribe to the manhaj of the salaf ! A Salafi is a muslim who follows the Quran and sunnah with the understanding of the Salaf us Salah not the khalaf and their founders! Does not this ascription hold true Brother Ayyub? If so brother, Whats with all the protest! " And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive (with sincerity and under discipline). He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation)]; that the Apostle may be a witness for you, and ye be witness for mankind! So establish regular prayer, give regular charity, And hold fast to Allah! He is your protector the best to protect and the best to help." Quran, 22: 78 brother, Pertaining to this ayah, you call yourself a muslim, thats fine! however brother which muslim are you are? are you Shia ? If you say no, then my next question would be why arent you shia’s? are they not also muslims? I Patiently await your response!

There is a saying that goes like this: “The people attend secular schools for 20 years, yet they expect to grasp the Words of Allah without a teacher†The Muslim were KHAYR and BARAKAH before this group (the so-called Salafiyah) come the field brother Sahal you deflated your argument from the get go! Was it the salafies who cause the fitnah during the Reign of Ali(ra)? keeping in mind the salafiies are those who came after the Salaf,those who follow them in Rectitude! Brother how can we hold true to the rest of the post when you show early signs of inaccuracies?

20: To have Faith in the Intercession of Allah’s Messenger. To have Faith in the Intercession (Shafaa’ah) of Allah’s Messenger on the Day of Resurrection for those guilty of sins, those upon the bridge and to cause them to come out from within the Fire. There is intercession for every Prophet, likewise for their eminently truthful and sincere followers, the martyrs and the pious. After that, Allah bestows His grace abundantly upon those whom He pleases and people are taken out of the Fire, after having been burnt and reduced to charcoal[1]. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTES The long hadeeth of the Intercession is reported by al-Bukhaaree (Eng. trans., vol. 6, no. 236) and Muslim (Eng. trans., vol. 1, pp.122-135). Concerning the types of intercession, Shaikh Abdul-Azeez ibn Baaz (rahimahullaah) says, in his notes on al-Aqeedah al-Waasitiyyah (p.73), “The different intercessions that will occur on the Day of Resurrection are six and are well-known from the Sharee’ah proofs. From them, three are particular to the Prophet. The six types are: i) The Major Intercession, which is for judgement to commence for those gathered for it; ii) Intercession for the People of Paradise to enter it; iii) His intercession for the punishment to be lightened for his uncle, Abu Taalib, so that he is placed in a shallow part of Hell-Fire. This form of intercession is particular to the Prophet for his uncle Abu Taalib. As for other disbelievers, there is no intercession for them. He, the Most High, said: So no intercession of intercessors will be of any use to them. Soorah al-Mudathir (74): 48 iv) Intercession for some of those who deserve the Fire not to enter it; v) Intercession for those who enter the Fire to come out of it; vi) His intercession for the raising of the ranks of the people of Paradise. This last intercession is general for the Prophet and other Prophets, the righteous, the angels and for Muslim children who died whilst they were young. All of these are only for the people who were upon Tawheed. As regards the sinful from the people of Tawheed who enter the Fire, they will not remain in it, but will be brought out after being purified. It is established in the Saheeh from the Prophet that the sinful will die in it, and then they will be brought out like charcoal. Then, they will sprout (in Paradise) like shoots upon a riverbank.â€

19: To have Faith in the Pool (Hawd) of Allah’s Messenger. To have Faith in the Pool (Hawd) of Allah’s Messenger. Every Prophet has a Pool, except Saalih (alaihis-salaam) because his Pool was the udder of his she-camel[1]. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTES 1. The explainer of at-Tahaawiyyah said, “The ahaadeeth reported about the Pool reach the level of mutawaatir, being reported by more than thirty Companions.†Anas ibn Maalik (radiallaahu anhu) reports that Allah’s Messenger said, “The size of my Pool is like what is between Jerusalem and San’aa in Yemen and it has drinking cups like the number of stars in the sky.†Reported by al-Bukhaaree (Eng. trans. 8/380/no.582), Ahmad and at-Tirmidhee. Samurah reports that Allah’s Messenger said, “There will be a Pool for every Prophet. They vie with regards to who has the greater number of people coming to it. I hope from Allah that I will have the greater number.†Reported by at-Tirmidhee and others. Shaikh al-Albaanee declared it saheeh in as-Saheehah (no.1589). As regards the exception quoted for Saalih (alaihis salaam), the narrations about that are not authentic.

18: To have Faith in the punishment of the grave To have faith in the punishment of the grave and Munkar and Nakeer[1]. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTES 1. To have Faith (Eemaan) in the punishment of the grave has the consensus (ijmaa’) of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah, as has been declared by Abul-Hasan al-Ash’aree (Risaalah ilaa Ahlith-Thaghr, p.279), being denied only by the Khawaarij and some of the Mu’tazilah. Allah, the Most High, says: In front of the Fire will they be brought, morning and evening, and on the Day when the Hour will be established (it will be said to the angels), ‘Cause Pharaoh’s people to enter the severest torment!’ Soorah Ghaafir (40): 46 Ibn Abbas said, “Allah’s Messenger passed by two graves and said, ‘Indeed, they are being punished, but they are not being punished for something major.’ Then he said, ‘Rather it is so: one of them did not protect himself from being soiled with his urine; the other used to go about telling stories (to cause enmity)....’ †Reported by al-Bukhaaree (Eng. trans. 1/141/no.215), Ahmad and the compilers of the four Sunan. Abu Hurairah reports that Allah’s Messenger said, “When the deceased (or ‘one of you’) is put in the grave, two black angels having blue eyes come to him. One of them is called al-Munkar and the other an-Nakeer and they will say.....†Reported by at-Tirmidhee and declared hasan by Shaikh al-Albaanee in Saheeh al-Jaam’i. There are many ahaadeeth concerning the punishment of the grave. Al-Baihaqee wrote a whole treatise entitled Ithbaat ‘Adhaab al-Qabr, consisting of some 240 narrations. Imam ash-Shaafi’ee (d.204H) said, “The punishment of the grave is true, the questioning of those in the graves is true, the Resurrection is true, the Day of Judgement is true, Paradise and the Fire are true. Whatever else is reported in the Sunnah and so mentioned by the scholars and their followers throughout the lands of the Muslims is true.†Reported by al-Baihaqee in Manaaqib ash-Shaafi’ee (1/415). Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (d.241H) said, “The principles of the Sunnah according to us are: to cling to that which the Companions of Allah’s Messenger were upon and to follow them...to have Faith in the punishment of the grave and that this Ummah will be tested in their graves and asked about Faith and Islaam, who is his Lord and who is his Prophet. Munkar and Nakeer will come to him as Allah wills and however Allah wishes.†From Usool us-Sunnah of Imaam Ahmad. Imaam Ahmad said, “Punishment of the grave is true. No-one denies it except one who is misguided and astray and leading others astray.†Reported by Ibn Abee Ya’laa in Tabaqaatul-Hanaabilah (1/174).

17: Belief In The Scales (Meezaan) To believe in the Balance (Meezaan) on the Day of Resurrection, upon which good and evil will be weighed. It has two scales and a tongue.[1] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTES 1. Allaah, the Most High, says: "As for him whose balance (of good deeds) will be heavy, he will live a pleasant life (in Paradise). But, as for him whose balance (of good deeds) will be light, he will have his home in a pit (i.e. Hell)". (Soorah al-Qaari'ah 101:6-7) Abu Hurairah, radiallaahu 'anhu, reports that Allaah's Messenger (saws) said, "Two words are most beloved to the Most Merciful, light upon the tongue and heavy upon the Balance: Subhaanallahi wa bihamdihi and Subhaanallahil 'Adheem." Reported by al-Bukhaaree (Eng. trans. 9/489-490/no.652). The 'Hadeeth of the Parchment': "Abdullah ibn 'Amr ibn al 'Aas said: I heard Allaah's Messenger (saws) say, "Allaah will take out a man from my Ummah before the creation on the Day of Resurrection and ninety-nine scrolls will be unrolled for him. Each one as long as the eye can see. Then He will say 'Do you deny any of this? Have my watchful scribes wronged you?' He will reply 'No, O my Lord!' So, He (Allaah) will say 'Do you have any excuse (or any good deed)? So he will reply 'No, O my Lord!' So, He (Allaah) will say 'Rather you do possess a good deed with Us and you will not be wronged this Day.' So a parchment is brought containing 'I bear witness that none has the right to be worshipped except Allaah and I bear witness that Muhammad is His Slave and Messenger.' So He (Allaah) will say 'Witness the weighing.' So he will reply 'O my Lord! What is this parchment compared to those great scrolls?' So He (Allaah) will say 'Indeed you will not be wronged.' So the scrolls will be placed on one scale and the parchment on the other scale. So the scrolls will be lighter and the parchment heavier. Nothing will outweigh the name of Allaah." Reported by Ahmad, at-Tirmidhee and Ibn Maajah. Shaikh al-Albaanee declared it saheeh in Saheeh Sunan at-Tirmidhee.

16: Seeing Allaah In The Hereafter To have Faith in seeing Allaah on the Day of Resurrection. They will see Allaah with the eyes of their heads[1]. He will take account of them without anyone acting on His behalf or any interpreter[2]. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTES 1. Allaah says: "Some faces that Day shall be shining and radiant. Looking at their Lord". (Soorah al-Qiyaamah 75:22-23) Shuaib reports that Allaah's Messenger (saws) said, "When the people of Paradise enter Paradise, Allaah, the Blessed and Most High, will say 'Do you wish for anything extra that I may give you?' They will say 'Have You not brightened our faces? Have You not entered us into Paradise and saved us from the Fire?' So He will remove the screen and they will not have been given anything more beloved to them as looking at their Lord, the Mighty and Majestic." Reported by Muslim (Eng. trans. 1/114/no. 347) and others. Hanbal said: I spoke to Abu 'Abdullaah, meaning Ahmad (ibn Hanbal) about seeing Allaah (ar-Ru'yah). He said, "They are authentic ahaadeeth. We have Faith (Eemaan) in them and affirm it. We have Faith in and affirm everything reported from the Prophet (saws) with good chains of narration." Reported by al-Laalikaa'ee in Sharh Usool I'tiqaad Ahl is-Sunnah (no.889). 2. 'Adiyy ibn Haatim reports that the Prophet (saws) said, "There is not one of you except that Allaah will speak to him on the Day of Resurrection, there being no interpreter between Him and him." Reported by al-Bukhaaree (Eng. trans. 8/358/no.547), Ahmad and at-Tirmidhee.

They issued a fatwa some years back that makes the Hajj only a spiritual journey (killing off the social role the hajj has always had throughout histoy). brother Viking can you give more detail please, am interested on how they killed off the social role of Hajj! Baarakallahu feek are Sunnis and Shi'a who practise intercession can you name those Sunnies who practise intercession and their reasons as to why they practise it? Keep in mind the following! "Verily you cannot make the dead hear " [surah an-Naml 27:80] Ibn Mas'ud reported that the Prophet (saws) said: "Allah has angels who travel about the earth; they [do and will] convey to me the peace greeting from my ummah." [Authentically reported by Abu Dawud] This hadith clarifies that the Prophet (saws) does not hear the greetings of peace from Muslims when they pronounce it upon him, for if he could hear it directly, there would be no need of angels to convey it to him. Therefore, it follows that the Prophet (saws) cannot hear other forms of conversation directed to him either!

Innalhamdulillah ----> Surely Allah praises belongs to Allah! If I should take the same line of thinking then, a muslim who commits a sin of any sorts, becomes a Kafir. If you have a relative and they smoke or drink, then that makes them KAFIR automotically. Brother khair these above actions are classified as major sins which do not get you out of the religion! Refer to “Kitab- U- taweed†Shirk (putting yourself before Allah) Shirk! in the religion context is to associating Partners with Allah! Everything I mentioned were an action of kufr and shirk, there are ayats and hadith for all the actions I mentioned above, I didn’t make them up! For example: Ibn `Umar that the Prophet (may peace and blessings be upon him) said: Any person who calls his brother: O Unbeliever! (then the truth of this label) would return to one of them. If it is true, (then it is) as he asserted, (but if it is not true), then it returns to him (and thus the person who made the accusation is an Unbeliever). [Muslim] So to say Abu Bakr is a kafir then that makes that person a kafir! Surely abu Bakr is not a kafir Messenger(saw) said! “Whoever goes to a fortune-teller or a soothsayer and believes in what he says has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammad.†(Reported by Imaam Ahmad, 2/429; see also Saheeh al-Jaami’, 5939). To say that a human being can see the unseen is kufr, Cause Allah said no one knows the unseen except what he reveals to his Rasul! (surah 72:26) TO call upon a human being rather then Allah when a calamity strikes you is Shirk! Allah said,†Call upon me only †in the hadith 40 Hadith- An-nawawi The one who deals in magic is a kaafir, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “. . . Sulayman did not disbelieve, but the shayaateen (devils) disbelieved, teaching men magic and such things as came down at Babylon to the two angels, Haaroot and Maaroot, but neither of these two (angels) taught anyone (such things) things till they had said, ‘We are only for trial, so disbelieve not (by learning this magic from us).’ . . .†[al-Baqarah 2:102] Allah forgives all sins, Except Shirk! Arrogance/pride is kufr, Prove: Iblis became a disbeliever due to arrogance Kufrul-Istihzaha: Disbelief due to mockery and derision. Allaah subhanahu wa ta'ala says: " Was it at Allaah, His signs and His apostles that you were mocking? Make no excuses. You have disbelieved after you have believed. [soorah Taubah (9), ayah 65-66] These people where believers but since they mocked the prophet and his signs, they became disbelievers! Akhee sincere advice pick up the book Kitab-u- tawheed! Wallahi 'Alim!

Innalhamdulillah if someone believes in the basic tenents of Islam (Allah is ONE, Muhamed (sallahu caliyhe wasilm) is his final rasul, the Quran is the last revelation (not denying the authority of the quran), 5 pillars of Islam, 6 pillars of Faith; then pronouncing TAKFIIR on them is no LIGHT MATTER cause they are MUSLIM. brother khair if someone believed in all that, and then said The humans can see the Ghayb? are they still muslims! or better yet they visit fortune tellers reguarly? Or yet they ask a human being for help when a calamity strikes them? or Fulan fulan has a highter statues then Noah, or Musa! or to say that Abu Bakr was an apostate! are they muslims? Yet they believe in all that u mentioned above! there are conditions to takfir, and what you mention are some of them but not all of them! This is why the messenger of Allah spend 13 years of his 23 years just teaching the people tawheed! Shirk my friend comes in many forms!

But because I have responsibility for myself first, I read every work and weigh it against the Quraan and Sunnah, if there is a conflict I dont take it,..., akhee Umar Ibn Khatab said that the Quran can be interpretated in many Way, and so can the hadith! "may find the quote in The salafi 'dawah by Albani" with this concept your saying that we shoul read the quran and the sunnah and we should make our own interpretation! imagine every muslim doing that! No need for scholars, we got quran and sunnah why bother even reading their works? My arabic is not good! but its improving everyday inshallah!