DA inshallah may Allah open the door of knowledge to you and I! Allah said "it is we who have send the Dikr( reminder(Quran) and it is we who shall protect it"Surah 15:9 Allah said " We have not send you except that you Explain to manking what has been send down" 16:44 It’s ludicrous to believe Allah protects the Quran and forsakes the Explanations of the Quran the speech/actions of his messenger(saw)! Allah is the all seeying the all Hearing, the ever Living He Proctects the Hadith from all types of corruption! Da its not an ayah, sis, its a Sahih(authentic) Hadith that the messenger of Allah(saw) said! There is not muslim in this planet who said this hadith is fabricated or weak! The only unchanged book is in the Koran are Sahih Bukhari & sahih Muslim Changed? the Isnad DA the Isnad, check up on it! its the weapon of the believers, Read the biography of Imam Bukhari and ABu Hurayrah, you'd think those men and their likes had a better memory then a computer chip!

^^^^ and the religous jury say : The messenger of Allah said" Ittaqu Dunyah Wa Ittaqu Nissa"(muslim) beware of The Life of this world, and be beware of women! AAAAh islam has all the answers to life little challenges!

^^^^ A mere Human being who uses the law of Allah to judge!

"who is better then one who calls to the path of Allah"Quran-AlKarim The messenger of Allah(saw) said "you will not truly believe until you love for your brother that which you love for yours"(Bukhari) 24/7 lectures by the People of Knowledge! in English if you have any problems accessing please let me know! And May Allah reward you for seeking knowledge!

Surely All Praises BElongs to Allah! Brother Nur and Viking, according "AR-RAHEEQ AL-MAKTOOM" Memoirs of the Noble Prophet by Saifur Rahman al-Mubarakpuri under the chapter Ending: "Phases and stages of the call" The Early Converts are: (1) Khadijah (RA), (2) Zaid bin Harithah , (3) ‘Ali bin Abi Talib (4) Abu Bakr As-Siddiq( the truth verifier) (5) Uthman Ibn 'Affan Jazakallahu Khair!

^^^ Yes Sahal you know and the Scholars dont, you win!

^^^^ NO one is suppose to convice you of anything, they should only deliver the message to you, its up to you to accept it or reject it! This was the Duty of the messenger of Allah(saw) why would it be any different for us? "So remind them (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)), you are only a one who reminds,You are not a dictator over them.."88:21-22"

Surely Allah Praises belongs to Allah.... Gidiid, his message to the people in the form of the Quran and not the other way round.I know as a Muslim our guide in life is the holy Quran first and foremost. It takes precedence over every holy scripture out there Are these the words of Allah, his messenger or the scholars that our guide in life is Quran first! i mean is there prove for this or its just your saying? I’ve never been to Asia, and Ahlul Hadith are the likes of Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim and the other Imams who collected Hadith, they are known as Ahlul Hadith or Ashaab ul Hadith! I ascribe to the manhaj of the Companions, the likes of Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthan, Ali and those who followed them in righteouness till today! Sister his message was by the way of the Quran and the speech/actions of the messenger of Allah(saw), if one reads the quran, it will become evident that the Allah ordered this Ummah to Obey Allah and to Obey the Messenger of Allah, Allow me to illustrate that the Sunnah takes precedence over the Quran, and not from mere opinion but with actual prove from Quran and Sunnah! And tell me if its blasphemy!May Allah guide us Ya Rab! Imaam az-Zuhree (the famous taabi'ee, d.124H) said," The people of knowledge who came before us(ie companions) used to say,'Salvation lies in clinging to the Sunnah. '" Reported by ad-Daarimee in his Sunan (no.96). Yahyaa ibn Abee Katheer,(the famous tabi’ee (d.129H) said, “ The Sunnah is decisive over the Qur’an, but the Qur’an is not decisive over the Sunnah.†Reported by ad-Daarimee in as-Sunan (1/153). They are from the students of the companions, they are among those groups of people the messenger of Allah(saw) said they are from the best people of this ummah in understanding this religion! Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu`alaihiwasallam) is reported to have said that: " Soon a tradition of mine will be related to a person lying on his couch who will say, The book of Allah is enough between you and us, whatever we find in it Haalal we accept as haalal and whatever we find it Haram we take that as haram. But By Allah whatever the messenger of Allah(saw) declares as Haram then Allah has declared it Haram .†(Ibn Maajahdeclared Saheeh by Albani, Sunanibn maajah ) According to another report: "What is found in The Book of Allah as 'Haram' we pronounce it 'Haram' (forbidden). Surely, I am given The Qur'ân and its explanations of it’' Yet, according to another report: "What the Messenger of Allah has forbidden, Allah has prohibited it."(tirmidhi)(taken from the article of Imam Albaniâ€the status of the Sunnah†Imam Barbaharee student of imam Ahmed, from the Salaf, said “ The Qur’an needs the Sunnah more than the Sunnah needs the Qur’an, and Know that Islam is the Sunnah, and the Sunnah is Islaam[1] and one of them cannot be established without the other .†SharX-Sunnah Imam Barbahaaree The Qur'ân says: ( Whoever obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah. Allah says, No, by your Lord they do not believe until they submit to your adjunction in all disputes between them, then they do not find themselves oppressed with your decisions and they completely submit)( 4:65). Again, Allah says: (When a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger, it does not behave a believer, man or woman, to have choice in their matter. One who disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path) (33:36). Furthermore, Allah says: (What the Messenger teaches you, take it, and what he forbids you, avoid doing it) (59 When a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger, it does not behave a believer, man or woman, to have choice in their matter. One who disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path) :7). And Allah said in surah AlImran,†If you truly love Allah, then follow me(Muhammad) and Allah will love you, and forgive you your sins†In connection with this verse, I am marvelled by what is corroborated by Ibn Masoud(RA) that is, A woman came to him and told him: "You who says: May Allah's curse be on Al-Namisat [a woman who plucks hers or others eye-brows - to be a thin line - to seek beauty. Such an act is forbidden. It is a mean to change the form of Allah's creation] and Al-Motanamisat [a woman who asks others to do it for her] and those who tattoo." He said: "Yes." She said, "I read the Book of Allah (Al-Qur'ân) from its beginning to its end, I did not find what you have said." He told her: "If you have read it, you would have found it. Have you read ayah that says†what the Messenger teaches you, take it, and what he forbids you, avoid doing it." She said: "Certainly". He said: "I have heard the Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu`alaihiwasallam) says: "May Allah's curse be on Al-Namisat." (Bukhaaree & Muslim) I can quote a Thousand Ayats that Allah commondments the Believers to Obey Allah in whatever he gives! the key word "Whatever he gives you" "Whosoever obeys the Messenger, has indeed obeyed Allaah" (Surah An-Nisa 4:80), Anyone who has memorized the Quran would know that stoning of the fornicators is not in the Quran alKarim! however its is shariyah! ‘Ubaadah ibn as-Saamit reported that the Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam) said, “Receive from me, receive from me: Allah has ordained a way for those (women). When an unmarried man commits fornication with an unmarried woman, then one hundred lashes and banishment for one year. As for a married man committing adultery with a married woman, then they shall be lashed one hundred times and stoned to death.†Reported by Muslim (Eng. trans. 3/911/no.4191). OG_Girl with all do respect I don’t ascribe to the Shia school of thought , who believe Abu Bakr Stole the Khalifah from Ali! To describe Abu Bakr as a thief is Fisq! your words have no weight! Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim do not have Weak Hadith or fabricated ones, this is a consensus by the Scholars of Hadith from Ahlul Sunnah WalJamCa not distored Ahlul Bayth! DA i will leave you with this inshallah, "And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination."(4:115)

Are you weary of the customary Hizbu Tahrer discourse, American this America that, from the sound of things you would imagine that the entire world is managed by the Kufar! Do you think the Jews have any power over the will of Allaah? Do you think the Americans have any power over the will of Allaah? Do you believe they are the ones who control the earth? For if you were to listen to the takfeerees and these Hisbu Tahreers and these political activists, you would think by the way they speak, you would think that Allaah no longer controls the earth and that the Americans and the Jews control the earth. So they make you leave the tawaakil (reliance) of Allaah and they make you believe that all the plots and plans and the control of the earth is in the hands of the kuffar, as if Allaah doesn’t control it anymore! This humiliation that you are suffering and we are suffering as an ummah, our women being raped, our brothers being killed, all of this is from the humiliation of Allaah and Allaah will not remove this humiliation upon until we return back to the religion that was understood by the Salaf us Salih! By Allah the Path of Salaf is the only Technique to attaining felicity! Allow me to Demonstrate UMAR bin Al Khattab (RA) sent an army under Sa'ad bin Abi Waqqas (RA)for the conquest of Persia. Umar wrote him a convention as follows: I command you and your army to fear Allah at all times because piety is the best weapon against the enemy and the best strategy in the battle. And I command you and your soldiers to fear disobedience to Allah more than you fear the enemy. If an army fears sins more than the enemy, Allah brings them victory. Muslim victory is the outcome of the disbelievers' disobedience of Allah. There is no power except with Allah for they always outnumber us and have better weapons and tools. If we become equal in disobedience, they will conquer us due to more power; and unless we defeat them by righteousness, we cannot defeat them by power. You must learn that you have some angels with you to protect you and your deeds. So be careful and do not commit any sins while you are fighting in the way of Allah. And never say our enemy is worse than us and that they cannot win even if we commit sins. Many nations have suffered at the hands of others who were less faithful as the magian who won over the Children of Israel when they committed sins. You have to ask Allah victory over your own selves in the same way you ask victory over the enemy. Ask it from Allah for us and you. (Ibn Katheer in Al Bidayah wan -Nihayah) Imaam Maalik (rahimahullaah) said, ‘The later part of this ummah will not be rectified except by that which rectified its earliest part’. Thus, that which rectifies in the time of the sahaabah is the same thing that will rectify us today! It is not anything different! The Majority of the Ummah does not know the meaning of Tawheed, its pillars and the numerous type Of Shirk, The messenger of Allah(saw) spend 13 years educating and Nurturing the Sahaabah upon the Science of Tawheed alone! Where are the lessons in tawheed today? Who is warning against shirk today? Who is warning against Innovations today?The Muslim can not agree upon the same ‘Aqeeda(belief system) but hey, Lets warn about bush/Blair/ and all the other corrupt government! QUOTE FROM SALAHAADDEEN AYYOOBEE! Al Quds is Jerusalem, in Palestine - Abu Shamma, Kitab ar-Rawadatain (History Book) - We hope in Allah - Subhaanahuwata`aalaa - Who leads the hearts of Muslims to calm [concerning] what torments them and ruins their prosperity. Where is the sense of honour of the Muslims?... The pride of the Believers?.. The zeal of the Faithful?. We shall never cease to be amazed at how the disbelievers - for their part - have shown trusts, and it is the Muslims who have been lacking in zeal. Not one of them has responded to the call. Not one intervenes to straighten what is distorted; but observe how far the Franks have gone. What unity they have achieved. What aims they pursue. What help they have given. What sums of money they have borrowed and spent. What wealth they have collected and distributed and divided amongst them [selves]. There is not a king left in their lands or islands, not a lord or a rich man who has not competed with his neighbours to produce more support and rival his peers in strenuous military efforts. In defence of their religion they consider it a small thing to spend life and soul; and they have kept their infidel brothers supplied with arms and champions of war; and all they have done and all their generosity has been done purely out of zeal for him [who] they worship in jealous defence of their faith. The Muslims, on the other hand, are weakened and demoralized; they have become negligent and lazy, the victims of unproductive stupefactions and completely lacking in enthusiasm. If - Allah forbid - Islam should draw reign, obscure her splendour, blunt her sword there would be no one, east or west, far or near whom would blaze the zeal for Allah's Deen, or choose to come to the aid of Truth against falsehood. This is the moment to cast off laziness, to summon from far and near all those men who have blood in their veins; but we are confident __ Ask yourself was it the Jews who make the muslims the way our brother the Mujahid Salaahadeen describes them? Was it the the Christians who make them the way they are! By Allah they the muslim forgot their deen, so the one who they were suppose to worshiped made them forget their ownselves! Observe the Speech of Allah if your in doubt! "And be not like those who forgot Allâh (i.e. became disobedient to Allâh) and He caused them to forget their ownselves, (let them to forget to do righteous deeds). Those are the Fâsiqûn (rebellious, disobedient to Allâh).(59:19) Victory shall approach when The sunnah is seen through our appearances, When our brothers journey to the masjid in fold, when our sisters equipment themselves with proper Jilbab not mere head covers, When our Brothers nurture their Beards and raise their pants When the Ummah Opposes the way of the Kufars from manners to characteristics, When our Youth abstain from taking their role models the kufar athletics, When we establish Islamic School to cultivate the youth upon the Deen of Allah rather then secular evil education! The victory of Allah comes via Taqwa(piety), and Taqwa is the source of Obedience to the commandments of Allah and withdrawing from his disobedience! Each one of us is accountable for our own actions with khalifa or without! Lets all Fear Allah so that Allah Jala Wa Cala sends down serenity upon our hearts and rescues us from this humiliation that we have earned justly!

Surely All Praises belongs to Allah! Allaah makes it a condition to follow the Companions understanding in the matter of belief when He says: 'And if they believe as you believe then they are guided.' (4) The word 'you' here refers to the Companions, that if you have the belief of the Companions then you will be guided otherwise you will not since you will be following your own interpretations regarding the belief saying it means this and that without knowledge as we see today. Therefore we need to follow our pious predecessors' understanding of the Qur'aan and the Sunnah, because they were closer to the source and also because Allah has chosen their hearts to be the best of the hearts (5) of His servabts. Ibn Mas'ood (6) (Ral) said: 'Indeed Allaah looked into the hearts of the servants and found the heart of muhammad (Sal) to be the best of the hearts of His servants and so He chose him for himself and sent him as a Messenger. Then He looked into the hearts of His servants after Muhammad (Sal) and found the hearts of the Companions to be the best of tbe hearts of the hearts of the servants. So He made made them ministers of His Messenger (Sal), fighting for his deen, So whatever the Muslims hold to be good then it is good then it is good with Allaah, and whatever the Muslims hold to be evil then it is evil with Allaah.' (7) The Muslims here refers to the Companions, that ifthey unite upon a matter concerning the deen then that is deen from Allaah. As in the saying of the Prophet (Sal): 'Mu Ummah will not unite upon misguidance.' (8) There are many proofs from Allaah and His Messenger to follow the understanding of the Companions and the next two generations so this is the understanding this book being foward. We can only follow this way for right guidance so take heed of Muhammad (Sal) saying: 'Indeed the children of Israeel will split into seventy one sects and my ummah will split into seventy three sects, all will be in the fire except one.' It was said to him 'What is the one?' He (Sal) said 'That to which I and my Companions are upon.' (9) This is a serious statement from the Messenger (Sal) and is not to be taken lightly. The ummah today is split up but who are the Salaf's understanding of Islam. They are the strangers as the Messenger (Sal) said: 'Islam began as a stranger and shall return as a stranger as it began so give glad tidings to the strangers.' (10) ' So give glad tidings to the few, those who put right what the people have corrupted.' (11) The Muslims who are following the understanding of the Salafus-Saalih are few in number and are strangers in the community of Muslims since they reviving that which the people did nbot know about from the Sunnah upon the authentic ahadeeth. They are not those who quote ahadeeth at you left, right and centre without knowing where they are from and whether it is saheeh (authentic) or not. Rather they are the ones who establish the deen of Allah paying strict attention to the chain of narration in the hadeeth. They are careful not to make a lie against the Messenger (Sal). As Ali (Ral) said in his advice to Kumail ibn Ziyaad an-Nakha'ee (a tabi'ee, reliable) '...Oh Allaah yes, the earth will not be without one who stands upright for Allah with proof so that Allaah's proof and clear signs are not abolished. They are the ones who are few in number but having most value to Allaah, with them Allaah asserts His proofs amongst their contemporaries and cultivates them in the hearts of ones similar to them... O how I would like to see them and I seek Allaah's forgiveness for me and for you if you wish then stand.' (12) They are the ones who do not stick blindly to the saying of one Imaam but rather ake from where they took of the authentic Sunnah. The Prophet (Sal) said: 'This knowledge will be carried by the trustworthy ones of every generation. They will expel by in the alterations made by those going beyond bounds, the false chain of the liars and the false interpretations of the ignorant. (13) Also the Prophet (Sal) said: 'There will not seize to be a group from my ummahvictorious upon the truth, not being harmed by those who oppose them, until the hour is established.' (14) So this group will always be there and this is the way for salvation. O brothere and sisters! Let us look at some characteristics with which to recognise this group today. Firstly we know that we must follow the Qur'aan and the Sunnah in the understanding of the Salafus-Saalih. So we must love the Salafus-Saalih and this is one of the characteristics with which we must attach ourselves with. The proof is: 'Abdulrahman ibn al Mahdi (d.198) said 'When you see a man from Basrah love Ibn Zaid, then he is a man from the Sunnah.' i.e. If you see a man that hates him then he is from the Ahlul Bid'ah - people of innovation. The tabi'ee Sufyaan ath-Thawri (d.163) (Rah) said 'If you hear a man from the East who is a person of Sunnah and another in the West then send your Sallaams to them and supplicate for them for how few are Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaa'a' (15) Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaa'a are those who are following the way of the Salafus-Saalih (pious predecessors) since Ahlus Sunnah are those who follow the Prophet (Sal) and wal jamaa'a refers to the Companions. This is clear proof that we must love the Salafus-Saalih who, as mentioned earlier, are the best of the people. Nowadays we see Muslims not loving the Salafus-Saalih. They speak ill of them, without knowledge, they bring doubt upon some of the Salafus-Saalih and they do not call to this understanding and they do not call to this understanding but they would rather call to their group or hizb (party). As is clear in a verse in the Qur'aan where Allaah says that each party rejoices with what it has. Another characteristic is that they are careful to mention references and making sure the isnaad (chain of narration) has no fault i.e. that it is Saheeh. The proof is Ibn Seerin (Rah) said 'They did not ask about the isnaad of the hadeth until the time of the fitna, so when this occurred they said name your men, as for Ahlu Sunnah then accept their narrations. As for Ahlul Bida'ah then reject their narrations.' Thirdly we must al Auzaa'ee (d.157) (Rah) said 'Hold fast to the narration of the Salaf even if the people were to abondon you. Beware in the opinions of men no matter how they beautify it with their speech.' (16) Imaam al Auzaa’ee rahimahullaah said ‘Patiently restrict yourselves to the Sunnah and pause where the people paused; say what they said and avoid what they avoided. Take the path of the Salajus-Saalih for indeed what is sufficient for them is sufficient for you.’ (17) The people who are following the Salafus-Salih today are, as the scholars say, the Ashaabul-Hadeeth.Imaam Shari’ee rahmihullaah said ‘Every time I look upon the Ashaabul-Hadeethit is if I am looking upon the Companions of the Prophet Sallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam.’ Abdullaah Ibn Mubarak (18) rahimahullaah was asked ‘Who is the Jama’aa?’ So he said ‘The Jama’aa is Abu Bakr and Umar.’ They said ‘But they have died.’He said ‘Then it is Abu Hamza Sakari.’ He was a scholar following the way of the Companions and the Tab’ieen at the time of Abdullaah Ibn Mubarak rahimahullaah. These are just some of the sayings of the scholars which tell us to go back to the understanding of the way of the Salafus-Saalih however some people might think that this is a new thing that some Muslims are calling to. This in incorrect as we have seen earlier that Allaah and His Messenger Sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam have ordered us to follow that way. Recently an ignorant author whose name is not worth mentioning writes that there was not a madhab called Salagiyya, not even the word"Salafiyya" before the coming of Sheikh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah [d.728h] and Ibn al-Qaiyom. However this is a great lie and gross error. Sheikh Abdullaah al-Farsi explains ‘the word "Salafiyya" has been mentioned had been before them. For example Abi Uthman Isma’eel Abdulrahman as-Saboone rahimahullaah, who was one of the Salafi scholars who died 449h, mentioned in the introduction of his book ‘Aquidato Salaf wa as-habul hadeeth’ that some brothers asked me to gather issues in the Usool deen (Aquidah) that our Muslim scholars and righteous Salaf were upon. He mentions the word Salaf in the introduction of his book. Also Hafidh Isma’eel at-Taymi al-Asbahani rahimahullaah, also from the same century as as-Sabooni rahimahullaah (5th century) and he repeated the word Madhad Salaf so many times that it cannot be counted in his book.’ Then came Sheikh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah much later reviving this way. Even at the time of the Tabi’een, Imaam Auza’ee, who was one of the students of the companions said ‘Your Salaf strongly hated the innovators ant they spoke harshly against them and they warned against their innovations.’ Also he said ‘You should follow the footsteps of the Salaf even thought you are lonely and strange and be aware of the way of the Khalaf even thought they beautify theyr speech.’ So those who say that this is a snew thing are ignorant of the fact that this is the way of the saved sect and hence the scholars are trying to revive it. As for the ignorant then it is strange to them since they do not go back to the understanding of the Salaf so how will they understand. They write books without knowledge and harm themselves by speaking ill of scholars, trying to find their faults yet they have not even met them. A lot of Muslims also choose to follow speakers than scholars to answer their question, which is another sadness in the ummah. As one companion said ‘You are in a time whose scholars are many and speakers are few and there will come a time whose scholars are few and speakers are many.’ last peice of advice to our brothers who are upon this path from our noble sheikh al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah rahimahullaah who said "It is self-delusion to say ‘I am saved and not pessimisic, for example being too secure saying ‘I am Salafi I am saved,’ We still have to humble ourselves and not to say that we have the attributes of the Salaf. So I say to these people, not everybody who opposes me a thing from this path will become one of those who will perish, for verily the disputer may be a mujtahid who was wrong, and Allaah will forgive him his mistakes. Or may be the proof did not reach him, enough to satisfy his needs (i.e. to understand it). Or maybe he has enough good deeds in which Allaah will wipe away his bad deeds." (19) This is a beautiful statement by Sheikh al-Islam. Which if considered carefully would help us to better our da’wa to other Muslims.

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DA without the Sunnah the Quran is of no use! the Quran needs the sunnah more then the sunnah needs the Quran, Allah said: "We have sent down unto you (O Muhammad SAW) the reminder and the advice (the Qur'ân), that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought."16:44 We need the explanations of the Quran! and the sunnah explains the Quran, Also some of the Verse in the Quran are Abrogated by the messenger of Allah(saw), and the messenger of Allah(saw) does not speak from his own desires! but its a form of revelations! as Allah said: "And if he (Muhammad SAW) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allâh swt), We surely should have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), And then certainly should have cut off his life artery (Aorta), And none of you could withhold Us from (punishing) him" (69:44-47) so there are two infablibale source, the Quran and the authentic(sahih) Sunnah of the messenger of Allah(saaw)! if a Sahih hadith contradicts the Quran then the Sunnah takes precedence, Because that means Allah abrograted that verse with the tongue of his messenger(saw) ie stoning the fornicators, in the quran its lashing the fornicators! would you reject the stoning of the fornicators..since its lashing in the quran?

Surely All praises belongs to Allah rainbow “WE†refers to anyone one who follows the manhaj of the Salaf us Salih, the three generation of the Muslims, "We" refers to all the sisters and brother who follow the KitabiLah Wa sunnah of the messenger of Allah(saw) with the understanding of the Salaf Us Salih, we do not baptizes ourselves with the title Shaf’ee, Hanafees, Malike’s or Hanbalies! Our Madhab is that of the Salaf us Salih! The Companions, the tabee’een and the at-tatabee’en, as for the individuals who we can pray behind, this is a long topic. there are certain groups we don’t pray behind, You have to study the works of the salaf us Salih to really get a good grasp of this issue of Fiq, with my limited knowledge i can say we don’t pray behind a khawarij, jamee and The Rafidi Shias we do not pray behind them. Imam Saleh Fawzan was asked the following question; [Q.2] Are the Khawaarij considered to be from the people of the Qiblah? And can one pray behind them? And what is the general rule regarding those who can be prayed behind, from the people of the Qiblah? [A.2] The ulemaa have differed as to whether the Khawaarij are disbelievers or merely deviants and sinners. And the opinion that they are disbelievers is closer to the truth since the proofs indicate that they are disbelievers. As for praying behind them then it is not permissible except when they gain authority over a nation, as has been mentioned by the ulemaa. In this case, the Muslim should pray behind them and not abandon the congregational prayers. and this ruling would hold true for all those other groups and Jamacas, We do not pray behind the disbelieving folks, however if he is a sinner and merely deviants person then praying behind his is Lawful! Unity on the Other, There is no Unity with the Ahlul Sunnah and Ahlul Bi’ah, this is a consensus from the Companions and the Tabe’eens! As Imam malik said, â€How Evil are the people of innovations, we do not give them Salam†Al-Barbahaaree said: “If you see a person whose manner and opinion is despicable, he is wicked, sinful, and oppressive, yet he is a person of the Sunnah, accompany him and sit with him, since his sin will not harm you. And if you see a man who strives hard and long in worship, is abstemious, being continual in worship, except that he is a person of innovation, do not sit with him, do not listen to his words, and do not walk along with him, since I do not feel safe that you will not eventually come to be pleased with his way and go to destruction along with him.†and Allah knows best hope i answered ur questions!

Wa Allahu Musta'an Wa baarakallahu feek!

Surely All praises belongs to Allah! Shaykh ul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah ( d.728H) said: "And know that most of the innovations connected to 'uloom(sciences) and acts of worship occured in this Ummah at the end of the period of the Rightly guided Khaleefahs; just asa the Prophet informed, when he said: "Those of you who live long after me will see a great deal of differences. So Hold fast to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the Rightly Guided Khaleefahs after me"...So when the period of the Rightly Guided Khaleefahs had passed and the rule of kingship appeared, deficiencies appeared in the leaders, and therefore deficiency spread also to the people of knowledge and Deen.So during the end of the rule of 'Alee (rta) - the innovation of the Khwaarij (5) and Raafidah (6) appeared; this being connected to the issue of leadership and khilaafah, and what was connected to this from actions and Shareeah rulings The kingship of Mu'aawiyah was a kingship of mercy, so when it passed, the rule of Yazeed came and fitnah (trials and discord) took place within it: the killling of al-Husayn in Iraaq, the fitnah of the people of Hurrah in al-Madeenah and the seige of Makkah when 'Abdullah ibn az-Zubayr made his stand. Then Yazeed passed away and the Ummah split-up. Ibn az-Zubayr in the Hijaaz, Banu Hakam in ash-Shaam (Syria, Jordan and Palestine) and the jump to power of Mukhtaar ibn Abee'Ubayd and others in 'Iraaq. All of this took place at the end of the period of the Companions, when there only remained the likes of 'Abdullah ibn 'Abaas, 'Abdullah ibn Umar, Jaabir ibn 'Abdullah, Abu Saeed al-Khudree and others. The innovations of the Qadarriyah (7) and the Murjiah (8) then occured and it was refused by those Companions who remained, as they had, along with others, refuted the innovations of the Khawaarij and the Raafidah. (Majmooul-Fataawaa (10/354-368) of Ibn Taymiyyah.) Ibn al-Qayyim (d.751H) (rh) said: "The innovation of the Qadariyyah started at the end of the period of the Companions. So those that remained at the end of the periods of the Companions.So those who remained at that time, such as 'Abdullah ibn Umar, Ibn Abbas, and their like, oppsed and refuted it. Then the innovation of the Murjiah occured, after the period of the Companions, so those of the major 'Tabiyoon who faced it, refuted it.Then came the innovation of the 'Jahyimmah' (9) after the passing away of the Tabbi'oon. Its evil reached alarming proportions and the matter had become dire during the age of the Imaams such as Ahmad (d.241H) and those with him.There appeared after this, the innovation of hulool (incarnation), this appeared with, and in the time of al-Hallaaj.(Tadheeb Sunan Abee Dawood (7/61) of Ibn al-Qayyim.) So whenever Shaytaan brought about an innovation from these innovations, or from other than them, Allaah established from His party an army, those who refuted it and warned the Muslims against it-all for the sake of sincerity and sincere advice for Allaah, His book, His Messenger and the people of Islaam".(Tadheeb Sunan Abee Dawood (7/61) of Ibn al-Qayyim.) Compilation of the Aqeedah Al-Haafidh Ibn Hajr (d.852H) (rh) said: "From that which occured was:compilation of hadeeth, then tafseer, then the compilation of issues of fiqh (jurisprudence) eminating from pure opinion, and then the compilation of matters related to actions of the heart. As for the firts matter; it was opposed by 'Umaar, Abu Moosaa and a few others whilst the majority allowed it. As for the second:It was oppsed by a group from the Tabioon such as Imaam ash-Sha'bee(d.104H) and a small group. Imaam Ahmad's opposition of this intensified. Also from that which occured was the compilation of the sayings about Usool ud-Deen (fundamentals of the Deen). Some embarked to affirm it (ie the attributes of Allaah), whilst others negated it. The former went to the extent of making tashbeeh (resembling Allaah to his creation), whilst the latter went to the extent of making ta'teel (denying the attributes of Allah). The rejection of this from the Salaf such as Abu Haneefah(d.150H), Abu Yoosuf(d.182H) and ash-Shaafiee(d.204H), and their sayings with regards to censuring the people of Kalaam (philosphical speech and theology) is well known. The reason for such censure was that the people of 'Kalaaam' spoke about those matters which both the Prophet and his Companions remained quiet about. It is established from Maalik(d.179H) that there did not exist at the time of the Prophet nor that of AbuBakr (rta) or Umar (rta), anything from these desires - meaning: the innovation of the Khawaarij, the Raafidah and the Qadiriyyah. Indeed, those who came after the first three excellent generations expanded upon matters which the Imaams of the Tabioon and those who followed them, rejected. The people of Kalaam did not content themselves, until they filled the Deen with issues and the sayings of the philosphers. They made this philoshopy the basis and the fundamental principle to which everything was refered back to, and all that which opposed it from the narrations (of the Prophet, his Companions and the Salaf who followd them) then ta'weel (false interpretation ) was made of them, even if they were averse to the result. Nor did they content themselves with just this.They claimed that what they had compiled was the noblest branch of knowledge and the most deserving to be acquired; and that those who did not use what they had laid down, then they were from the laymen and the ignorant ones. So delight is for the one who clings to what the Salaf were upon, and distances himself from the innovations that the khalaf (the latecomers who oppsed the aqeedah and manhaj of the Salaf) introduced.However, if one cannot keep away from it, then let him take only that which he needs and let the way of the Salaf be his intended goal."FathulBaree (13/253) of Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalaanee.

I accept hadiths that support a verse in the Koran. DA if the hadith does not support a verse in the Koran do you reject it? an example would be stoning the fornicators and among others!

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Kowniya brother do tell, how do these question prove my ignorance? are these three imam who are from the salaf us Saliih Ignorant? i await to see if any shia can explain away those quotes! in the light of Fairness i only seek Clarifications! "The Devils Deception", Ibn Jawzee(1114CE) Student of Imam Nasir- AlBaghdaadee! Under the Chapter: The devils deception of the shia's! Quote: It was 'abdullah ibn Saba and his band who first attributed divinity to 'Alee ibn Abee Taalib. Alee had most of them executed by burning them alive; however ibn Saba escaped and was banished from Iraq!(talbis iblis) pg 49.

^^^ brother why dont u refute my post instead of going into the Wahhabi rethoric? defend your shia brothers! I have more quotes from the 4 imams including of Ali(ra) Himself and how he used to cut off their tongue and burn them alive! and thats the recompense for those who take him as a source of worship! and this is found in the book called ("Talbis Iblis"The devils deceptions), by Imam AlJawzee, student of imam Albaghdaadi the sea of knowledge! is he Wahhabi as well?

Surely all praises belongs to allah! Imam Ash-Shafi'i: On one occasion Imam Shafi'ee said concerning the Shia, "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Raafidi Shia." and on another occasion he said; "Narrate knowledge from everyone you meet except for the Raafidi* Shia, because they invent ahaadeeth and adopt them as part of their religion." (Minhaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah) Imam Malik: Once when asked about the Raafidi Shia, Imam Malik said; "Do not speak to them or narrate from them, for surely they are liars." During one of Imam Malik's classes, it was mentioned that the raafidi Shia curse the sahaba. Imam Malik recited the verse, "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them." (48:29) He then said, "Whoever becomes enraged when the Sahâbah are mentioned is the one about whom the verse speaks." (Tafseer al-Qurtubi) Imam Ibn al- MUBAARAK: was reported to have said "Religion is gained from Ahl al-Hadeeth, scholastic theology, and crafty exemptions from religious ordinances from Ahl-ar-ray and lies from the Raafidite Shi'ites. Are Shia's Kufar(disbelievers) you decide for yourself! "Ayesha was hypocrite". (Hayat-ul-Quloob, Page No. 867) Imam Mehdi will kill all the Sunni Scholars. (Haq-ul-Yaqeen, Page No.527) Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman and Muawiyah are like idols, they are worst of all the creatures of God. (Haq-ul-Yaqeen, Page No. 519) Hazrat Abu Bakr and Hazrat Umar were the followers of Shaitan. (Quran Majeed by Maqbool Hussain Dehlevi, Page No. 674) When God becomes happy, He talks in Persian, when He becomes annoyed, talks in Arabic. (Tareekh-ul-Islam, Page No. 163) Now my dear Readers you all only decide what should be the label of such people who are still propagating their false beliefs. what the shia say about the sunnies! Mohammad bin Al-hassan Toosi reports on the authority of Ishhaq bin Ammar, that Abu Abdullah said "The wealth, the property and everything which belongs to a Sunni is actually yours (is legal for you)" (Tahzib-ul Ahkam, Vol. 2 Kitabul Makasib, p. 116, published in Iran) above in this Shi'ites book it states that all Shi'ites can steal from any Sunni Muslim and that there is nothing wrong with that. The Shi'ites say this regarding Sunni Muslims "Although Allaah, the Exalted, has not created a creature worse than a dog, yet a Nasbi (i.e. A Sunni) is worse than even a dog." (Haqqul Yakeen (Persian) Vol 2, P. 516) Here the Shi'ites have said that Sunni Muslims are worse than Dogs!

Surely All praises belongs to Allah! as for king fahd! "O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority." (4:59) if he is oppressive and steals my wealth and beats my back, i heard and obey the ruler! Even if he is an abasynians slave!(hadiths) as for the Khalifah, Messenger (saas)said : 'Prophethood will be amongst you for as long as Allaah wills, then Allaah will raise it up when He wills, then there will be Khilafah upon the way of Prophethood, then Allaah will raise it up when He wills, then there will be kingship, then oppressive kingship, then Khilafah upon the way of Prophethood'(muslim) the Khalifah will not come until Allah's decree comes to pass! we must go through kingship first, then oppressive kingship, then Allah's decrees we will come, and khalifah will be established! so we wait patiently for the decree of Allah! The sword, the pen, the tongue will not and can not remove the decree of Allah, whether it's fard alkifayah or fard Ayn, its not important,NO one can delay or fast forward the decree of Allah! for more info on the khalifah read the above posts! Sahal i refuse to answer any of your question, because they are initiated by anger and hate! You dont ask question for the sake of acquring ilm, instead for the sake of debating and challenging! there is no benefit in that so i withdraw from answering any of your inquieries! PS. there is a tape by the scholars, entitled: takfir and our stance to the Saudi Government, sahal im not a scholar, by allah im not even a student of knowledge, i only post what the scholar have said! if you are really interested in this, listen to what they have to say about their stance against the saudi Government! you may order the tape from [http://www.troid.org/store/cds/lectures.htm may cost you $5-10 canadian

I post the reply on Muslim rulers and our stance!

Surely Allah praises belongs to Allah! "Thaalin" do you mean DhaaliM? didnt Prophet Yunus(as) Say" La Ilaha illa Anta, Subhanaaka, Inni Kuntu mina Dhaalimeen !" (surah Yunus) second what is Salafiyah Jadiidah? is there salafiyah Qadiimah? and how do they differ! anyone who believes in Wahhabism just ullustrates his lack of knowlege in tawheed! and to take the name of Allah, AlWaahab, and to use it as a source of monckery shows a lack of fearfulness from Allah JaLa Wa Cala! May Allah have mercy on us, if you were truthful in your assertion you would have called them Abdul-wahhabis! Kowneya i will not even bother addresss what the shias are!

meeting due to a heart attack, he later died), Inna lillahi wa Inna Ilayhi RajiCun!