(posted by Bilaal) “There are many, but it seems you haven't taken the time to research the people you're slandering. In fact many Uluma from the Egypt, Oman, Qatar and other places in the middle east travel every year to gain insights and wisdom from the tabligh Jama'ats.†I can not recall slandering anyone, but if have inadvertently then I seek Allah’s Forgiveness. Inshallah you will tell me the names of these scholars and their education timeline! “Shaikul Hadith Muhammad Zakariyya Kaandhlawi,†Brother im not sure if I would consider him a scholar, let alone a shaykh because of his sayings He says: (1) Delaying prayer once will cause a person to burn in the hellfire for 20.88 million years, just because he or she failed to pray on exact time. (“Maulana†Zakaria Kandhalwi, Fazaael Namaz, p.317) (2) Do not try to understand the Qur'ân ever. Else, you will go astray. Fifteen “Uloom†(sciences) are required to understand the Book. (“Maulana†Zakaria Kandhalwi, Fazael Amaal, p.2) Brother bilal do you know Ashraf Ali Thanwi the great Muhadith(hadith scholar of the tableeg) He says: (1) Recite the verse "When the heaven will split.†Write it (on a piece of paper) and tie to the left thigh of any woman in labor, child birth will become easy. Cut the hair of that woman and burn them between her thighs, childbirth will be easier still. (Aamal-e-Qurani, Ashraf Ali Thanwi) (2) When, "Maulana" Zakaria, the father of "Maulana" Yousuf Bannuri would fall sick, the prophet would come. He told the house servant, "Badshah Khan! I (the holy prophet), am also serving Zakaria. (Bayyanat 1975 Ashraf Ali Thanwi p. 7)

(4) Honouring the Muslims. They honour everyone, so you find some are Maatureedee, others are Ash’aree, whilst others are Soofee, Some are Qadari, Ahmediya,etc… and even some who have no madhhab (affiliation to any particular ideology). So the da’wah of the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh is that of the Soofiyyah, they call to good manners(Akhlaq), as for correcting the differing ‘aqeedah of the group, then they do not exert themselves one iota. This is because they believe this will cause differences and splitting apart. (5) Correction of the intention and its purification. They narrate conjured accounts to motivate the people in their gatherings from their Golden book, THE FAZAIL-E-AA'MAAL, WHICH INSHALLAH IF ALLAH GIVES ME TIME I WILL ALSO UNVEIL! (6) Khuruj(Going out for the calling to the path of Allah) One of them always says to whoever is listening to him, with the intention of encouraging and exhorting him to go out with them on khurooj and to abandon his land, his family, his children and his wealth and other things besides them to Do Khuruj. This is their backbone going out with a limit of three days in a week, four months in a year and four months (at least) in a lifetime And they have two excursions (jawlah) every week: one to the mosque that is prayed in, and the other is a roaming excursion. And they have two study circles every day: a circle in the mosque that is prayed in, and one circle at a house. So they will not be pleased with a person until he adheres to this. There is no doubt that this is an innovation in the Religion for which Allaah has sent down no authority. No where in the Deen of Allah shall you find such procedures. (posted by Ayub_Shiekh)“Like brothers Nur and Bilaal said, some of the best people I've ever seen in character, humility and other practices of Islam were Tablighis.†No doubts the tableeghee’s guise is attractive, however don’t let their appearance misinform you for the following reasons: Ibn Abbas (RA) May Allah shower him with mercy and blessings him, Said about the Khawarji when he entered upon them: “When I entered their camp, I found a people whose devotion in prayer the like of which I had never seen. Their foreheads were scarred from continuous and prolonged protestations and their pals were calloused like the knees of camels. Their cloths were washed and their faces lined from staying awake all night†The saahaabee Jundub Al-Zadee said†When we marched with Alee, to fight the khawarij and reached their encampment, to our surprise we heard a loud drone produced by their recitation of the quran†Also, When Ibn Muljam killed Ali(Ra) the other Sahabs captured him and cut off his hands and feet, yet he did not utter a sound, then both his eyes were pierced by red hot nails, but still he did not cry out, instead he began to recite surah Al A’lAQ , he continued doing this while blood flowed from his eyes-sockets, however when a section of his tongue was burned he cried out. When he was asked why he did so at that point, he replied,†I hate to die in this world with other then Allah’s Remembrance on my Tongue†Looking at the skin of his forehead one could see brownness, the effects of constants prostrations. (At-Tabaaree,Taareekh Al Uman Wal Mulook). These were the Khawarij as our beloved messenger described to be the dogs of the Hell fire, don’t get me wrong I’m not saying the tableegh are like them, I’m saying don’t let appearance deceive.

Do the Tableegees fulfill these conditions? I would have to say No, and here are my reasons! This group has a methodology it traverses upon, which has six fundamentals and they are as follows: (1) Actualisation of the Kaalimah: There is none deserving of worship except Allaah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah. (2) Salaat (prayer) performed with khushoo' and khudoo' (awe, humility and submission). (3) Knowledge along with Dhikr (Remembrance). (4) Honouring the Muslims. (5) Correction of the intention and its purification. (6) Khuruj(so called Going out in the path of Allaah) My noble Readers - these six fundamentals seem noble at first glance, but come so that I expend these fundamentals and clarify what they mean by them. Then we shall see after that if they are on the path of the Companions in their understanding of these fundamentals, their implementation and in calling to them in the proper manner. Explanations of the 6 fundaments: (1) The meaning of the actualisation of the kalimah: There is none worthy of worship except Allaah, is the actualisation of Tawheed with all its three types: Tawheed ul-Uloohiyyah, Tawheed ur-Ruboobiyyah and Tawheed ul-Asmaa was-Sifaat. Shaikh Abdur-Rahmaan bin Hasan bin Aal Shaikh - may Allaah have mercy upon him - said in Fath ul-Majeed: His saying: Chapter: Whoever actualises Tawheed will enter Paradise without being held to account. I say: Its actualisation is: its purification and clarity from all the impurities of Shirk, Innovation and disobedience." A question my brother - if Allaah allows and if you will permit me - if this is the meaning of the actualisation of the kalimah then why do we differ from them then? Do you know the meaning of their actualisation of the kalimah: There is none worthy of worship except Allaah and Muhammad(saw) is his messenger? What they intent by this actualisation are by speaking about Tawheed ur-Ruboobiyyah only. Why? Because it does not cause any dislike/aversion or separation and differences between any two groups among the Muslims. As for talking about Tawheed ul-Asmaa was-Sifaat, then it causes separation, aversion among the muslims, such as the Ash'ariyyah, the Maatureediyyah, the Jahmiyyah, the Hulooliyyah, the Ittihaadiyyah and the Salafiyyah. All of them differ with regard to this topic, Allaah's Names and Attributes and the fundamental upon which this group (Jamaa'at ut-Tableegh) stick to and navigate upon which is the secret word or hidden agenda is that anything which causes aversion, separation and difference between two people then its ruling is that it should be removed and abolished from the methodology of the group. Likewise for the second type of the types of Tawheed which is Tawheed ul-Uloohiyyah(Worship). Speaking about this matter is forbidden and its ruling in the methodology of this group is that it is cut off and abolished because it causes separation, aversion and difference. It is so because this one is a Salafi and this other one is a Sufi grave worshipper. As for the first, he does not allow setting out on a journey to graves or performing prayer by the grave or towards it and nor does he allow Tawwaaf to be performed around it and nor making Tawassul by the righteous dead people and nor seeking help and sustenance from them and so on, in opposition to the other one to whom all of what has been mentioned is permissible, rather he thinks it is the essence of the religion. And this is why - my noble readers when one of their leaders stands in order to explain this fundamental he does not say except: 'All praise is to Allaah who created us, gave us sustenance and has bestowed favours upon us' and so on, continuing with matters related to Tawheed ur-Ruboobiyyah only. By Allah I have witnessed with my own two eyes, for over 6 years that Tableegh only talk about Tawheed ur-Ruboobiyyah, Allah created the trees, created the heavens… created the seas, Allah Created the mountains…etc. every lecture, every talk,every sitting same thing over and over and over what happend to the other catagories of tawheed? (2) Salaat (prayer) performed with khushoo' and khudoo' (awe, humility and submission). Salaat is fard(must) upon every muslim, however the messenger of Allah(saw) said, "Pray as you see me praying" (al-Bukhari). The Tableegh gently call for Humility and submission when one is performing salaat, but how can their call materialize when they oppose the methodology of the messenger of Allah(saw)? For example, Point One: Ibn Umar(ra) reported that Allaah (AWJ)'s Messenger said, Establish your lines [straight], for indeed the angels [pray] in lines. Align your shoulders, close the gaps, yield your hands to your brothers, and do not leave any gaps for Shaytaan. Whoever connects a line, Allaah maintains him, and whoever breaks a line, Allaah cuts him off. (Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, an-Nasaa`ee and others. See Saheeh ul-Jaami no. 1187) The Tableeghs deliberately permit the opening of gaps, and when you try to close the gaps they move their feet away, Point two: The Messenger of Allah(saw)†He used to place them on his chest." Abu Daawood, Ibn Khuzaimah in his saheeh (1/54/2), Note: To place them on the chest is what is proved in the Sunnah, and all that is contrary to it is either da`eef or totally baseless. In fact, Imaam Ishaaq ibn Raahawaih acted on this sunnah, as Marwazi said in Masaa'il (p. 222)†"Ishaaq used to pray witr with us _he would raise his hands in qunoot, and make the qunoot before bowing, and place his hands on his breast or just under his breast." The Tableeghee place their hands on their stomach, somewhat below the belly bottom (though this is not the case for all tableeghs, mostly those from the subContinent, that’s where the group was found) Point three: They make a group du’ah after each prayer, which has no basis in the religion of islam! What is found in the sunnah is that they Prophet(saw) and his companions make group du’ah during prayer, not after! So with the aforementioned defects, it’s hardly possible to attain humility and submission during salah! So what are the Tableeghes calling to, if they can not even establish the first and Second Pilllar of islam with knowledge! (3) Knowledge with Dhikr (Remembrance) Any sane Muslim who truly Fears Allah knows that knowledge is: "Allaah said and His Messenger said and the Companions said†in every matter whether it is related to belief, acts of worship or dealings with other people or manners. But what is Tableegh’s meaning of knowledge? They say: Knowledge is of two types: Ilm ul-Fadaa'il (Knowledge of the Virtues of Actions) and Ilm ul-Masaa'il (Knowledge of Matters of Fiqh). Now let us return to their division: Knowledge is of two types, knowledge of the virtues and knowledge of the matters (of fiqh). They say: This (knowledge of the virtues) is for us (i.e. their group) and the knowledge of the matters is for the people of knowledge, all of you (i.e. the people who go out on khurooj with them) should seek it from the scholars of his own town (or country). Have you taken caution from this division of theirs? Why do they allow speaking about the knowledge of the virtues of the actions and forbid it with regard to matters of fiqh? In fact they request from those who go out with them to seek this knowledge from the scholars of their own towns and countries. It is because the first does not cause separation, aversion and differences in opposition to the second. The question is: Will they enjoin the good and forbid the evil? The answer is in light of the secret word (or hidden agenda): No. Why not? Because enjoining the good and forbidding the evil causes aversion and alienation - in their opinion - between the one who orders and the one who is being ordered. Therefore its ruling is that is removed from the methodology of the group. Another question: If this is so, how do they enjoin and forbid? The answer: They apply hadeeth and verses from the Qur'aan which exhort to the performance of that particular action which they are enjoining and which has been abandoned, or which exhort to the abandonment of that particular action which is being committed, without every approaching the aspect of belief. They will say, for example, to the one who has left the prayer: "The Believers will prosper. Those who are humble and submissive in their prayers.." and they will also say: The Messenger of Allaah (sas) said: "There is no muslim servant who performs twelve rakahs of prayer for Allaah every day voluntarily, besides the obligatory except that Allaah builds a house for him in Paradise", this is the excellence of the voluntary prayers, how then would the excellence of the obligatory prayer be? And this is why when a disobedient one who goes out with them wishes to smoke a cigarette, they permit him to do so. Likewise for the one who drinks alcohol And when one desires to shave his beard they give him they do not admonish him lest it should create fitnah amongs them

Posted by Bilal “It is well known that the muslims of two or three decades ago, knew more quran and hadith as the ones of today†Im not sure where you got this from,but our beloved messenger(saw) the following Aboo Hurairah – as best I know from Allaah’s Messenger, sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam, who said, "Allaah will raise for this Ummah at the head of every hundred years, he/those who will revive its religion for it." Sunan Aboo Daawood,, ’Awnul-Ma’bood (11/385-396) of al-Azeemabaadee. The revivers are equipped with knowledge, plus they are the inheritors of the prophet (saw) hence we do not compare and contrast the Scholars who are upon the same Path, same Aqeeda and same Manhaj! They issue from one another “Salafi i'm not a veteran of SOL, but it seems to me like you've almost made it you're trademark, to discredit and assign muslims into groups and sects. To help explain certain things to people is a worthy endeavour, but that can't be done by nullifying their position and branding them ignorant. nor im I, yet I can not remain silent for the following incentives… When some people mentioned to IMAAM AHMED IBN HANBAL {rahim'ullah} that they felt uneasy about critising people he replied," If I were to remain silent, how would the ignorant masses know truth from falsehood?" Those who introduce heretical writings and deviant religious rites contrary to Qur'Än and Sunnah in the name of Islam have to be exposed and the Muslim nation warned against them according to the unanimous agreement of salaf! Infact, Yahyaa ibn Maeen companion of IMAAM AHMED IBN HANBAL {rahim'ullah} was asked if one who fasted, prayed and secluded himself in the masjid was dearer to him than one who spoke out against people involved in Deviations, he replied, "When he fasts, Prays and secludes himself, he does so for himself alone, but if he speaks out against the Deviations, he does so for Muslims in general which is more Noble, Hence it is clear that openly opposing innovation {Bid'ah} and Deviations is of general benefit to Muslims in the practice of their religion and comes under the heading of "Jihaad fee sabeelil-laah" {struggle in Allah's path} Purification of Allah's religion and the repulsion of attacks against it is a general obligation {Fard kifaayah} on Muslims by unanimous agreement. For if Allah did not raise up some people to oppose the corruption preached by heretics, the religion would surely become distorted and deviant, The corruption of the Divinely revealed religion is far more terrible than the corruption resulting from the military conquest of the Non-Muslims, For when Non-Muslims over powers Muslims they are not able to corrupt the hearts of Muslims, or their religion except after some time, whereas, heretics corrupt the hearts from the very outset" “First of all, knowledge is from Allah. He grants it to which He pleases without limit. Allah says in the Quran: “ I’m not sure what you mean by this, what I know is that everything is from Allah the good and the bad(The Qadar of Allah), however the scholars have said that Knowledge is acquired, and Intellect is not! In other words one may gain Knowledge by learning it yet he/she may not have the intelligence to use that knowledge to benefit his soul, The jews are a great Example. Allah describes them as Donkeys with book on their backs(ie they do not benefit from their knowledge). An intellectual person is someone who has acquired knowledge of Islam and simultaneously owns the ability to utilise this knowledge to gain Allah’s pleasure. You said: †Salafi would you disagree that it is a duty on every believer to convey the message of Allah†Bilaal yes I would disagree, since not every believer is fit to transmit the message of Allah, there are pillars and conditions to Da’wah! Here are just a few of ‘Em First: “Say (O Muhammad SAW): "This is my way; I invite unto Allâh (i.e. to the Oneness of Allâh - Islâmic Monotheism) with sure knowledge, I and whosoever follows me (also must invite others to Allâh i.e to the Oneness of Allâh - Islâmic Monotheism) with sure knowledge.(12:108) In this Ayah Baseerah is knowledge, The caller is certain to face those who are scholars of misguidance, those who will attack him with doubts and futile arguments in order to rebut the truth, so he must be upon clarity, and calling to Allah is the path of the Messenger (saw) and the manhaj of the righteous (companions) and the way of the Messengers of Allah Second : he/she must act upon that which he calls to, as Allah said “O you who believe! Why do you say that which you do not do? Most hateful it is with Allâh that you say that which you do not doâ€(61:2-3) Third: Must know Tawheed in its entirety, Allah said: “So know (O Muhammad SAW) that Lâ ilâha ill-Allâh (none has the right to be worshipped but Allâh)(47:19)†Knows Tawheed upon sound knowledge, because it is imperative the caller knows what he is calling to from that which is: waajib (obligatory), mustahab (recommended), muharram (impermissible) and makrooh (disliked) and also knows what is shirk, sinning, kufr (disbelief), fisq (open sinning) and knows the (different) levels and the manner in which to forbid and discourage. ....continue

intro to the Salaf us Salih: They are the companions, their students and their students, Our beloved messenger(saw) says about them: "The best of people are my generation, then those who follow after them, then those who follow after them(ie the salaf Us Salih), then there will come people whose testimony will precede their oath and their oath will precede their testimony(ie the Khalafi)." Reported by Imaam Ahmad Then we have the Imams of later generations, those who came after the salaf, but follow them in exact faith, I introduce you to The Noble Shaykh, the Allama, From Albania, Muhammad Naasiruddeen al-Albaanee  He was born in the city of Ashkodera, then the capital of Albania in the year 1332 A.H./1914 C.E. into a poor family.  in Damascus Shaykh al-Albaanee completed his initial education and was then taught the Qur.aan, Tajweed, sciences of Arabic language, fiqh of the Hanafee madhab and further branches of the Deen by various Shaykhs and friends of his father  He became engrossed with the science of Hadeeth to the extent that he would sometimes close up his shop and remain in the library for up to twelve hours - breaking off his work only for prayer - he would not even leave to eat, but would take two light snacks with him.  After a number of his works appeared in print the Shaykh was chosen to teach Hadeeth in the new University in Madeenah, Saudi Arabia, for three years from 1381 to 1383H where he was also a member of the University board.  He visited various countries for Da'wah and lectures - amongst them Qatar, Egypt, Kuwait, the Emirates, Spain and England, Syria, Jordan, Beirut and Emirates  He was imprisoned in Syria, same prison that Ibn taymiyah was held  His students are many and include many Shaykhs of the present day amongst them: Shaykh Hamdee 'Abdul-Majeed, Shaykh Muhammad 'Eed 'Abbaasee, Dr. 'Umar Sulaymaan al-Ashqar, Shaykh Muhammad lbraheem Shaqrah, Shaykh Muqbil ibn Haadee al-Waadi'ee, Shaykh 'Alee Khushshaan, Shaykh Muhammad Jameel Zaynoo, Shaykh 'Abdur-Rahmaan Abdus-Samad, Shaykh 'Alee Hasan 'Abdul-Hameed al-Halabee, Shaykh Saleem al-Hilaalee.  He memorised over a 100,000 hadeeth along with their chains of narration and the text (of each hadeeth)."  Never knew him to leave off fasting on Mondays and Thursdays... Then Shaykh: Saalih ibn Muhammad ibn 'Uthaymeen  He received his education from many prominent scholars like Shaykh 'Abdur-Rahmaan as-Sa'dee, Shaykh Muhammad Ameen ash-Shanqeetee and Shaykh 'Abdul-'Azeez ibn Baaz.  “...he memorised the Qur.aan in 6 months...† he (rahima-hullaah) was the peak of simplicity and humility; He did not like sleeping on a bed, nor a comfortable mattress, rather he slept on the floor or a meagre mattress or straw mat which affected his side." Shaykh 'Abdul-'Azeez bin –Baaz  He was Blind  his teachers were Shaykh Muhammad ibn 'Abdul-Lateef Aal-Shaykh, Shaykh Saalih ibn 'Abdul-'Azeez Aal-Shaykh and the eminent Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ibraaheem Aal-Shaykh who, in his time, was the Muftee of Saudi Arabia. Shaykh Ibn Baaz accompanied the eminent Shaykh and learned from him for about ten years. Thus he gained his religious education from the family of Imaam Muhammad ibn 'Abdul-Wahhaab.  taught nine years at Riyadh Islaamic Law College,  he was appointed Vice-Chancellor of the Islaamic University, al-Madeenah; but shortly afterwards, he was made the Chancellor with all the administrative powers. Later he was appointed President of the General Presidency of Islaamic Research, Ifta, Call and Propagation  He held the position of Grand Muftee of Saudi Arabia,  Senior Scholars Committee of the Kingdom, Permanent Committee for Islaamic Research and Fataawa, the Founding Committee of Muslim World League, World Supreme Council for Mosques, Islaamic Jurisprudence Assembly Makkah; and the member of the Supreme Council of the Islaamic University at al-Madeenah, and the Supreme Committee for Islaamic Propagation, until he passed away on Thursday 27 Muharram 1420 A.H./May 13 1999 C.E. May Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) have Mercy upon his soul, aameen. Shaykh Dr. Saalih Ibn Fowzaan Ibn 'Abdullaah Ibn Fowzaan  He then joined the Faculty of Sharee'ah (at the University of Imaam Muhammad) in Riyaadh and graduated from there 1381 A.H./1960 C.E. Thereafter he gained his Masters degree in fiqh, and later a Doctorate.  Taught at the Supreme Court of Justice, where he was appointed the head.  He was then made a member of the Permanent Committee for Islaamic Research and Fataawa, where he continues to this day.  The noble Shaykh is a member of the Council of Senior Scholars, and member of the Fiqh Committee in Makkah  He himself studied at the hands of a number prominent scholars and jurists, the most notable of whom were: The noble Shaykh 'Abdul-'Azeez ibn Baaz (rahima-hullaah); The noble Shaykh 'Abdullaah ibn Humayd (rahima-hullaah); The great Shaykh Muhammad al-Ameen ash-Shanqeetee (rahima-hullaah); The noble Shaykh 'Abdur-Razzaaq 'Afeefee (rahima-hullaah); The noble Shaykh Saalih Ibn 'Abdur-Rahmaan as-Sukaytee; The noble Shaykh Saalih Ibn Ibraaheem al-Bulayhee; The noble Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Subayyal; The noble Shaykh 'Abdullaah Ibn Saalih al-Khulayfee; The noble Shaykh Ibraaheem Ibn 'Ubayd al-'Abd al-Muhsin; The noble Shaykh Saalih al-'Alee an-Naasir;  He also studied at the hands of a number of scholars from al-Azhar University (Egypt) who specialised in hadeeth, tafseer and Arabic language. They all hold fast to the Kitab and Sunnah upon the path of the Salaf us Saleeh, the are the scholars of Hadith, the scholars of dalil(proves)

It took me awhile to type out this post, lest the audience should feel that I censure and criticize other Muslims irrationally and unjustly. So I made a point to illustrate precisely where the Tableglees veered off from the Kitab and Sunnah. Before I begin brother Bilal, it should be known that I have gone out with the Tableegh, my friends are former Tableegeyeen, and some still are. As a matter of fact I have one family member who is a dedicated Tableeghi. Alhamdulillah I have not ceased in advising them and calling them to the kitab and Sunnah via the path of Salaf Us SaliX. So Bilal, I’m no stranger to their call, manners and characteristics. Inshallah I intend to address every single point you have raised, seeing that you took the time to type all that out it deserves a well thought out response First, it is crucial to note that I do not disagree with the Tableegh merely due to lack of Knowledge from their part, though its major factor, instead their Manhaj and Aqeeda. Bilal inshalalh in this post perhaps we can mend our differences in the light of the Kitab and Sunnah, however in order to do those, we must approach this discussion with a pure heart and may Allah makes us among those who take the truth when it is presented to us! Ameen our primary discrepancy lies with the individuals we consider to be scholars, hence it is fitting we both furnish the education credentials of these individuals we select to sustain our points

Posted BY Ayub_Shaykh You know what the Qur'aan says about people who do not rule the way Allah (SWT)ordered and you know what the Prophet (SAW) said if we see someone doing wrong we should stop them or speak against. Feeling bad about someone doing something wrong is described as lowest of belief. Brothe Ayub can you precisely relay What Allah said! I’m not certain which ayat you’re alluding to, given that Allah the Exalted said the following,( 5:44-47 ) (1) whosoever does not judge by what Allâh has revealed, such are the Kâfirûn (2) And whosoever does not judge by that which Allâh has revealed, such are the Zâlimûn (3) whosoever does not judge by what Allâh has revealed (then) such (people) are the Fâsiqûn Naturally Mr.Shaykh, those who do not ascribe to the Minhaj of the Salaf construe these ayahs according to their whims which contradicts the understanding of the salaf: Ibn Abbas Said,â€By Allah these verse were revealed with regards to the two Jewish Tribes, and it was these two that Allah Azza Wa Jall meant in these verse†Related by Ahmed 1/246 at-tabari in Al’Al’Mu’jam Alkabeer 3/95/1 also See Tafsir Ibn Kathir for futher clearification! Also im not sure if he(saw) the best Creature, said Speak against them, or advice them, in any case, if you would be kind enough to give me the exact Hadith so I can see what he said exactly, then we can move forward from there and inshallah cement our differences! There is only ONE Siratul Mustaqeem without branches, thus every Muslim’s aim is to navigate on that one Path! What I want to ask you is; when should one start to disobey the Kings? If they asked you to torture or kill someone will you obey them? If they asked someone to bring them alcohol or prostitutes should they obey them? Where do you draw the line on obeying oppressive leaders? The Best Creature, the man who I love more then my own mother, rather my own soul, said: ‘‘The person must obey in whatever he loves, and in whatever he hates, in ease and in hardship, in willingness and un-willingness; except if he is commanded to disobey Allaah. So if he is commanded to disobey Allaah, then he should not listen, not should he obey.’’ Related by al-Bukhaaree (4/203) Brother if the Ruler commands you to do something that is not Haram, then you must comply with him, even if you dislike his commandment! Allah the Sublime and Majestic said the believers are those when Allah and his messenger command something; they say “WE HEAR AND WE OBEY†He the messenger of Allah(saw), who I was fortunate enough, like our brother Nur , entertained him(saw) twice in my dreams on the 29th of Ramadan and few months later, said: The Prophet said, “Listen and obey, even if the ruler seizes you and beats your back.†Related by Muslim (6/19) Then he said He replied, " you should hear and obey the ruler even if he flogs your backs and takes your wealth, then still hear and obey ." Reported by Muslim (Eng. trans Vol 3/1029/34554) He also said to obey the ruler even if he is an abaseniyian Slave†imagine brother Ayub, an Abaseniyian slave ruling over the Quraysh! This indeed is the most unthinkable to the arabs. So the he(saw) gave them the most extreme model, and he advised them that if it happens then still Hear and obey him, as long as he does not command you to do something Haram! The Messenger of Allah SAW said, "The best of generations is my generation (Sahaabah), then those who come after them (Taabi'oon) and then those who come after them (Atba' at-Taabi'oon)" Brother Ayub May Allah guides us to the path of the Salaf, They are the people I take my knowledge from, they are my light to Salvation, the Salaf Us Salih unanimously agreed that hearing and obeying the just and excessive rulers is wajib. You may differ with us, as it is Human nature to differ, But ALLAH THE MAGNIFICENT said, “hatu burhaanakum inn kun tum sadiqeen “ 2:111 “"Bring your proof if indeed you’re truthful."2:111 the ball is in your court!

All Praises Belongs to Allah the Mightly the Majestic! DA I could be wrong, but I think the author is campaigning for an establishment of islamic schools, where all fields would be taught such as math..science..History..etc, much like the kufar school, in addition they would teach the fundamental principals of Islam, Tawheed, Hadith, Fiq, Quran memorization, Arabic classes and all those other fields that tie into Islam, an Islamic school exclusively for boys and one that is solely for girls. alhamdulllah these objectives are already in progresse in various cities. For instance in my City we have a Islamic school(I believe 3 of ‘em), and this years school trip they all performed Hajj! In addition we recently had a fundraising for a girl’s Islamic school, the brothers raised $10,000 in one night, they also intend to raise $100,000 in two years time inshallah! DA, our first initiative is to make the parents realize how corrupt Public kafir schools are, though they generally see it in their child’s behavior, but once that is laid to rest, we then start operating together as a community to construct Islamic schools one for sisters and one for the brothers! Allah my Lord who created me from dust, said: "O you who believe! If you help (in the cause of) Allâh, He will help you, and make your foothold firm" (47:7) we're required to make an effort Then we Rely(tawakatu) on Allah! D.A not all parents have that luxury!

He's just an oaf! if adhering to the shariyah principal of Alwala Wal Baara makes me an Oaf, Then Let everyone take record that im the biggest Oaf on this planet!

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I would like to point out and I do not praise anyone above Allah, that Qac Qac is the most caring and understandable person I know. If he knew any one of you in person he would give his last morsel of food to you. In this Virtual world we can all get carried away to such extend that emotions begin to invasion our senses. I know Qac Qac and i wouldn’t have anyone else by my side. Qac Qac saxib, Allah gives and forgives, while we get and forget! In other words we’re Humans, and we all have our shortcomings, but the best of us are those who seek Allah’s Mercy while striving to minimize our faults!

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The history of Islam abounds in scores of such gallant actions on the part of Muslim women, but, unfortunately, they are not commonly known. Prior to Islam, the Arab women used to accompany men to the battlefield. With their children, they remained behind the fighting lines and looked after the wounded soldiers, attended the horses, comforted their valiant husbands, roused their spirit by narrating the thrilling achievements of their ancestors, disarmed the dead soldiers of the enemy, rallied the panic-stricken fugitives, and guarded the prisoners. The famous poet of Arabia, 'Umar Bin Kulthum, recites in pride: our ranks are beautiful and whitefaced women; we are always afraid lest they should be insulted, and the enemy take possession of them. These women have taken oaths from their husbands to show gallantry in the field of battle. They accompany us, so that they may take possession of, and arrest, enemies' horses and armaments. These are the ladies of the family of Jashm b. Bakr, who not only possess beauty, but also have traditions both of family and religion. They look after our horses and they say, 'If you cannot protect us from the enemy you are not our husbands'." Islam also maintained this tradition. Women always followed men in the Jihad. In the battle of Uhud, according to Bukhari, 'Ayesha (may God be pleased with her) carried a leather bag full of water to quench the thirst of wounded soldiers. She was helped in the task by Umm Salim and Umm Salit. The traditionist Abu Nayeem relates that in the battle of Khaibar, half a dozen women of Medina followed the marching army. The Prophet did not know of this and, when he was informed, he angrily asked them why they had come at all. They reverently answered that they had medicines with them, that they would nurse and dress the wounded, take out arrows from the bodies of the soldiers, and arrange for their rations. The Prophet allowed them to accompany the army, and, when Khaibar was conquered, he gave a share of the war booty to these women also. [1] In a number of battles, Umm Salim and a few other ladies of the Ansar rendered similar service.[2] Rabi, daughter of Muaz, along with other women, performed the duty of carrying the martyrs and the wounded from the battlefield of Uhud to Medina.[3] Umm Raqida had a pavilion for the wounded, where she washed and dressed their wounds.[4] Umm Zaid, Ashjiya, and five other ladies helped the Muslims during the battle of Khaibar, by working at spinning wheels. They picked up arrows from the field, and offered grain flour (Sattu) to the soldiers. [5] Umm Attiya cooked for the Companions in seven battles. [6] Tabari writes of one occasion when the corpses of the Muslim soldiers lay in great numbers in the van. The group of men appointed for burying the martyrs commissioned women to look after the wounded. In the battles of Aghwath and Armath, fought in connection with that of Qadisiya, women and children dug graves. [7] The battle of Qadisiya is described thus by a woman who was present: "When the battle was over, we (women) rushed forward daringly to the battlefield with rods in our hands and picked up the wounded Muslim soldiers." [8] The above incidents, however, not only testify to the religious zeal, national enthusiasm, and heroism of Muslim women, but also detail the various duties they were called upon to perform from time to time. They did not shirk the humble and unpleasant chores: the digging of graves and the procurement of rations for the army. Not only did the women nurse the wounded in the rear, they also brought in the casualties from the battlefield. Not content with urging men to take a firm stand, sometimes, they actually helped them by joining in the battle. In short, no task was too difficult or too unpleasant for them to attempt. If you examine the battles of the early period of Islamic history, you will find women engaged in these duties in the rear. The last mentioned services rendered by Muslim women require, however, some elaboration, and we will go into detail to show how nobly the weaker sex among the Muslims discharged this task. The mother of Anas b. Malik (the Prophet's servant), Umm Salim, usually accompanied the Prophet to the field. When Taleeb b. 'Umair adopted Islam and informed his mother of this, she said, "You have sided with the man who deserved the most. Would that I had the strength and the ability of man, I would protect him and fight for him."[10] In the battle of the Ditch, the Prophet and his Companions were fighting against the Jews, when Banu Quraiza advanced to the place where Muslim women and children had entrenched themselves. There were no soldiers to protect these women against Banu Quraiza. Meanwhile, a Jew chanced to appear near them. It was feared that the Jew might betray them to Banu Quraiza who would then attack at the earliest opportunity. Safia, the aunt of the Prophet, and the mother of Zubair, asked Hassan b. Thabit to kill the Jew. Seeing his hesitation, Safia herself climbed down with a pole of the pavilion in her hand and killed the Jew with it. This was the first heroic action, says the historian Ibn Athir, done by a, Muslim woman. [11] One of the most distinguished women who took part in the battle of Uhud was Nusaybah bint Ka'b al-Maziniyyah (May Allah be pleased with her). She was known as Um'Umarah. At the beginning of the battle, she was bringing water and tending the wounded, as the other women were doing. When the battle was going in the favor of the Muslims, the archers disobeyed the command of Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] which immediately became a source of defeat, as Allah subhana wa ta'ala said; "Behold! You were climbing up the high ground, without even casting a side glance at anyone, and the Messenger in your rear was calling you back ..." (3: 153) It was at this moment when Nusaybah went forward, with her sword unsheathed and her bow in her hand, to join the small group of archers as they were standing firm with Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam], acting as a human shield to protect him from the arrows of the idolaters. Every time danger approached Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] she was there to protect him. Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] later said, "Wherever I turned, to the left or the right, I saw her fighting for me." Her son 'Umarah also described what happened on that day: "On that day, I was wounded in my left hand. A man who seemed to be as tall as a palm-tree struck me, then went away without pursuing me to finish me off. The blood began to flow copiously, so Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] told me, 'Bind up your wound.' My mother came to me, and she was wearing a waist-wrapper, which she had brought, for the purpose of wrapping wounds. She dressed my wound, whilst Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] was looking on. Then she told me, 'Get up, my son, and fight the people.' Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] said, 'Who could bear what you are putting up with, 0 Umm 'Umarah?' She said: The man who had struck my son came by, and Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] said, 'This is the one who struck your son.' I intercepted him and hit him in the thigh, and he collapsed. I saw Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam smiling so widely that I could see his back teeth. He said, 'You have taken your revenge, 0 Umm 'Umarah!' Then we struck him with our weapons until we killed him, and Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] said: 'Praise be to Allah who granted you victory over him, gave you the satisfaction of taking revenge on your enemy, and let you see the vengeance for yourself." On this day, Nusaybah herself received many wounds while she was fighting the people and striking their chests. Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] saw her, and called to her son, "Your mother! Your mother! See to her wounds, may Allah subhana wa ta'ala bless you and your household! Your mother has fought better than so-and-so." When his mother heard what Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] said, she said, "Pray to Allah that we may accompany you in Paradise." He said, "O Allah make them my companions in Paradise." She said, "I do not care what befalls me in this world."' Umm 'Umarah's success was not confined to the battle of Uhud. She was also present on a number of other occasions, namely the treaty of 'Aqabah, Al-Hudaybiyah, Khaybar and Hunayn. Her heroic conduct at Hunayn was no less marvellous than her heroic conduct at Uhud. At the time of Abu Bakr's khilafah, she was present at Al-Yamamah where she fought brilliantly and received eleven wounds as well as losing her hand. It is no surprise that Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] gave her the good news that she would enter Paradise, and that she was later held in high esteem by the Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, his commander Khalid ibn al-Walid and subsequently by 'Umar ibn al-Khattab, radi Allahu anhum.[12] Footnotes: [1] Abu Dawud, Fath-e-Khaibar. [2] Abu Dawud, Vol. 1, p. 252 [3] Bukhari, Kitab-ut-Tib. [4] Abu Dawud, Vol. I p. 270. [5] Sahih Muslim, Vol. 11, p. 105 (Egypt) [6] Tabari Vol VI, p. 2317 (European Edn.). [7] Tabari, Vol. V, p. 2363. [8] Ibid. [9] Usud-ul-Chabs, Vol. V. p. 591. [10] Isti'ab Taleeb, b.'Umair. [11] Usud-ul-Ghabn, description of Safia, Vol. V. p. 591. [12]from the seerah ibn hisham. www.troid.org

The history of Islam abounds in scores of such gallant actions on the part of Muslim women, but, unfortunately, they are not commonly known. Prior to Islam, the Arab women used to accompany men to the battlefield. With their children, they remained behind the fighting lines and looked after the wounded soldiers, attended the horses, comforted their valiant husbands, roused their spirit by narrating the thrilling achievements of their ancestors, disarmed the dead soldiers of the enemy, rallied the panic-stricken fugitives, and guarded the prisoners. The famous poet of Arabia, 'Umar Bin Kulthum, recites in pride: our ranks are beautiful and whitefaced women; we are always afraid lest they should be insulted, and the enemy take possession of them. These women have taken oaths from their husbands to show gallantry in the field of battle. They accompany us, so that they may take possession of, and arrest, enemies' horses and armaments. These are the ladies of the family of Jashm b. Bakr, who not only possess beauty, but also have traditions both of family and religion. They look after our horses and they say, 'If you cannot protect us from the enemy you are not our husbands'." Islam also maintained this tradition. Women always followed men in the Jihad. In the battle of Uhud, according to Bukhari, 'Ayesha (may God be pleased with her) carried a leather bag full of water to quench the thirst of wounded soldiers. She was helped in the task by Umm Salim and Umm Salit. The traditionist Abu Nayeem relates that in the battle of Khaibar, half a dozen women of Medina followed the marching army. The Prophet did not know of this and, when he was informed, he angrily asked them why they had come at all. They reverently answered that they had medicines with them, that they would nurse and dress the wounded, take out arrows from the bodies of the soldiers, and arrange for their rations. The Prophet allowed them to accompany the army, and, when Khaibar was conquered, he gave a share of the war booty to these women also. [1] In a number of battles, Umm Salim and a few other ladies of the Ansar rendered similar service.[2] Rabi, daughter of Muaz, along with other women, performed the duty of carrying the martyrs and the wounded from the battlefield of Uhud to Medina.[3] Umm Raqida had a pavilion for the wounded, where she washed and dressed their wounds.[4] Umm Zaid, Ashjiya, and five other ladies helped the Muslims during the battle of Khaibar, by working at spinning wheels. They picked up arrows from the field, and offered grain flour (Sattu) to the soldiers. [5] Umm Attiya cooked for the Companions in seven battles. [6] Tabari writes of one occasion when the corpses of the Muslim soldiers lay in great numbers in the van. The group of men appointed for burying the martyrs commissioned women to look after the wounded. In the battles of Aghwath and Armath, fought in connection with that of Qadisiya, women and children dug graves. [7] The battle of Qadisiya is described thus by a woman who was present: "When the battle was over, we (women) rushed forward daringly to the battlefield with rods in our hands and picked up the wounded Muslim soldiers." [8] The above incidents, however, not only testify to the religious zeal, national enthusiasm, and heroism of Muslim women, but also detail the various duties they were called upon to perform from time to time. They did not shirk the humble and unpleasant chores: the digging of graves and the procurement of rations for the army. Not only did the women nurse the wounded in the rear, they also brought in the casualties from the battlefield. Not content with urging men to take a firm stand, sometimes, they actually helped them by joining in the battle. In short, no task was too difficult or too unpleasant for them to attempt. If you examine the battles of the early period of Islamic history, you will find women engaged in these duties in the rear. The last mentioned services rendered by Muslim women require, however, some elaboration, and we will go into detail to show how nobly the weaker sex among the Muslims discharged this task. The mother of Anas b. Malik (the Prophet's servant), Umm Salim, usually accompanied the Prophet to the field. When Taleeb b. 'Umair adopted Islam and informed his mother of this, she said, "You have sided with the man who deserved the most. Would that I had the strength and the ability of man, I would protect him and fight for him."[10] In the battle of the Ditch, the Prophet and his Companions were fighting against the Jews, when Banu Quraiza advanced to the place where Muslim women and children had entrenched themselves. There were no soldiers to protect these women against Banu Quraiza. Meanwhile, a Jew chanced to appear near them. It was feared that the Jew might betray them to Banu Quraiza who would then attack at the earliest opportunity. Safia, the aunt of the Prophet, and the mother of Zubair, asked Hassan b. Thabit to kill the Jew. Seeing his hesitation, Safia herself climbed down with a pole of the pavilion in her hand and killed the Jew with it. This was the first heroic action, says the historian Ibn Athir, done by a, Muslim woman. [11] One of the most distinguished women who took part in the battle of Uhud was Nusaybah bint Ka'b al-Maziniyyah (May Allah be pleased with her). She was known as Um'Umarah. At the beginning of the battle, she was bringing water and tending the wounded, as the other women were doing. When the battle was going in the favor of the Muslims, the archers disobeyed the command of Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] which immediately became a source of defeat, as Allah subhana wa ta'ala said; "Behold! You were climbing up the high ground, without even casting a side glance at anyone, and the Messenger in your rear was calling you back ..." (3: 153) It was at this moment when Nusaybah went forward, with her sword unsheathed and her bow in her hand, to join the small group of archers as they were standing firm with Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam], acting as a human shield to protect him from the arrows of the idolaters. Every time danger approached Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] she was there to protect him. Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] later said, "Wherever I turned, to the left or the right, I saw her fighting for me." Her son 'Umarah also described what happened on that day: "On that day, I was wounded in my left hand. A man who seemed to be as tall as a palm-tree struck me, then went away without pursuing me to finish me off. The blood began to flow copiously, so Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] told me, 'Bind up your wound.' My mother came to me, and she was wearing a waist-wrapper, which she had brought, for the purpose of wrapping wounds. She dressed my wound, whilst Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] was looking on. Then she told me, 'Get up, my son, and fight the people.' Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] said, 'Who could bear what you are putting up with, 0 Umm 'Umarah?' She said: The man who had struck my son came by, and Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] said, 'This is the one who struck your son.' I intercepted him and hit him in the thigh, and he collapsed. I saw Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam smiling so widely that I could see his back teeth. He said, 'You have taken your revenge, 0 Umm 'Umarah!' Then we struck him with our weapons until we killed him, and Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] said: 'Praise be to Allah who granted you victory over him, gave you the satisfaction of taking revenge on your enemy, and let you see the vengeance for yourself." On this day, Nusaybah herself received many wounds while she was fighting the people and striking their chests. Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] saw her, and called to her son, "Your mother! Your mother! See to her wounds, may Allah subhana wa ta'ala bless you and your household! Your mother has fought better than so-and-so." When his mother heard what Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] said, she said, "Pray to Allah that we may accompany you in Paradise." He said, "O Allah make them my companions in Paradise." She said, "I do not care what befalls me in this world."' Umm 'Umarah's success was not confined to the battle of Uhud. She was also present on a number of other occasions, namely the treaty of 'Aqabah, Al-Hudaybiyah, Khaybar and Hunayn. Her heroic conduct at Hunayn was no less marvellous than her heroic conduct at Uhud. At the time of Abu Bakr's khilafah, she was present at Al-Yamamah where she fought brilliantly and received eleven wounds as well as losing her hand. It is no surprise that Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] gave her the good news that she would enter Paradise, and that she was later held in high esteem by the Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, his commander Khalid ibn al-Walid and subsequently by 'Umar ibn al-Khattab, radi Allahu anhum.[12] Footnotes: [1] Abu Dawud, Fath-e-Khaibar. [2] Abu Dawud, Vol. 1, p. 252 [3] Bukhari, Kitab-ut-Tib. [4] Abu Dawud, Vol. I p. 270. [5] Sahih Muslim, Vol. 11, p. 105 (Egypt) [6] Tabari Vol VI, p. 2317 (European Edn.). [7] Tabari, Vol. V, p. 2363. [8] Ibid. [9] Usud-ul-Chabs, Vol. V. p. 591. [10] Isti'ab Taleeb, b.'Umair. [11] Usud-ul-Ghabn, description of Safia, Vol. V. p. 591. [12]from the seerah ibn hisham. www.troid.org

Regarding Good Conduct towards ones Parents by Imaam Bukhari Extracts from 'Saheeh al-Adab al-Mufrad' of Imaam Bukhaaree, checked by al-Albaanee. Chapter 1: The saying of Allaah the Exalted, "and we have enjoined upon man to be good to his parents" 1/1 From Abu Umru ash-Shaibaanee who said, "The owner of this house narrated to us," and he indicated with his hand to the house of Abdullaah, that, "I asked the Prophet (SAW), 'which action is the most beloved to Allaah?' He said, 'Prayer at it's correct time'. I said, 'then which action? 'He said, 'birr (good treatment, kindness) to the parents.' I said, 'then which?' He said 'Jihaad in the way of Allaah' Abdullaah said, "He told me these, and if I had asked further, he would have told me." Saheeh - Irwaa (1197) 2/2 From Abdullaah bin Umar who said, "The Lord is pleased when the parents are pleased, and is Angry when the parents are angry." Hasan as mawqoof, saheeh as marfoo' as-Saheehah 515 Chapter 2: Birr to the Mother 3/3 From Bahz bin Hakeem from his father from his grandfather who said, "I said, 'O Messenger of Allaah who is most deserving of my birr?' He said, 'your mother.' I said, 'who is most deserving of my birr?' He said, 'your mother.' I said, 'who is most deserving of my birr?' He said, 'your mother.' I said, 'who is most deserving of my birr?' He said, 'your father, then your closest relation, then your closest relation.'" Hasan - Irwaa (2232,829) 4/4 From Ibn Abbas, "That a man came to him and said, 'I proposed to a woman and I yearned that she marry me. Then someone else proposed to her and she desired to marry him. Then I seduced her, then killed her, so is there repentance for me?' He said, 'Is your mother alive?' He replied, 'No.' So Ibn Abbas said, 'Repent to Allaah Azza wa Jall and seek to get close to Him as much as you can." (Ataa bin Yaaser) said, "so I went to Ibn Abbaas and asked him, 'Why did you ask if his Mother was alive?' He said, 'indeed I do not know an action which can get one closer to Allaah then birr to the mother'" Saheeh - as-Saheehah (2799) Chapter 3: Birr to the father 5/5 From Abu Hurayra who said, "It was said, 'O Messenger of Allaah (SAW), who is most deserving of my birr?' He replied, 'your mother'. He said, 'then who?' He replied, 'your mother.' He said, 'then who?' He said, 'your mother.' He said, 'then who?' He replied, 'your father'" Saheeh, al-Irwaa (837), ad-Da'eefah (under no 4992) Chapter 4: Gentle words to the parents 6/8 from Taysala bin Mayyaas who said, "I was with the Najadaat (a group of the Hururiyyah) and I committed a sin which I regarded to be Major, so I mentioned this to Ibn Umar. He said, 'what sin is it?' I said, 'this and this.' He said, 'this is not from the Major sins, the major sins are nine: "Associating partners with Allaah, killing a soul, fleeing from the advancing army, to accuse a chaste woman, Eating Ribaa, Eating the property of an orphan, to apostasize in the mosque, the one who ridicules/derides others, and making the parents cry due to disobedience to them." Ibn Umar said to me, 'Do you fear the fire and wish to enter the Paradise?' I said, 'of course, by Allaah!' He said, 'are your parents alive?' I said, 'I have a mother.' He said, 'then by Allaah! If you were to speak gently to her and feed her, you would certainly enter paradise, as long as you stay away from the Major sins.'" Saheeh, as-Saheehah (2898) 7/9 From Urwa who said about the verse, "And lower for them the wings of humility out of mercy" - 'Do not prevent them from anything that they love.' Saheeh Isnaad Chapter 5: Repaying the Parents 8/10 From Abu Hurayra from the Prophet (SAW) that he said, "The son can never repay his parent. Except that he finds him a slave, then buys him and sets him free." Saheeh, Irwaa (1747) 9/11 From Abu Buraidah that he was with Ibn Umar and a Yemeni man was making tawaaf of the House carrying his mother on his back saying, "I am her humble camel where her camel would have gotten frightened I will not" Then he said, 'O Ibn Umar! Do you think that I have repaid her?' He said, 'no, not even a for a single moan that escaped her during child birth.' Then Ibn Umar made tawaaf of the house, then came to the Station (of Abraham) and prayed two rak'ahs. Then he said, 'O ibn Abu Musa! Indeed every two rak'ahs expiate what came before them.' Saheeh Isnaad 10/13 From Abdullaah bin Umar who said, " A man came to the Prophet (SAW) to give him the bay'ah for hijrah, and he left his parents crying. So the Prophet said, 'return to your parents and make them laugh as you have made them cry'" Saheeh, at-Ta'leeq ar-Ragheeb (3/213) Chapter 6: Disobedience to parents 12/15 From Abu Bakra who said, "The Messenger of Allaah (SAW) said, 'shall I not inform you of the greatest of the major sins?' [three times] They said, 'of course O Messenger of Allaah!' He said, 'Associating partners with Allaah, Disobedience to the parents - then he sat, reclining - and the false statement.' He kept repeating them until I said, 'if only he would stop'" Saheeh, Ghaayatul Maraam (277) Chapter 7: Allaah curses the one who curses his parents. 13/17 From Abu at-Tufail who said, "Ali was asked, 'did the Prophet (SAW) favour you with something that he did not favour for the rest of the people?' He said, 'the Prophet (SAW) did not favour anything for us that he did not favour for the people, except for what is in the hilt of my sword.' Then he removed a piece of paper and written on it was, 'Allaah curses the one who slaughters for the sake of other than Allaah. Allaah curses the one who steals the boundary posts of the land (in order to make his plot of land bigger). Allaah curses the one who curses his parents. Allaah curses the one who aids the one who does Bid'ah (Innovator).'" Saheeh, al-Mishkaat (4070) Chapter 8: Birr is for the parents in those matters that do not involve disobedience (to Allaah) 14/18 From Abu ad-Dardaa who said, "The Messenger (SAW) enjoined me with 9 things: Do not associate anything with Allaah, even if you are cut into pieces or burned. And never leave the obligatory prayers deliberately, and the one that leaves them deliberately becomes absolved of protection. And do not drink alcohol for it is the door to all evil. And obey your parents, and if they command you to leave your worldly possessions then do so for them. And do not dispute/contend with the leader of the Muslims, even if you think you are right, and do not flee from the advancing army, even if you are destroyed and your companions flee. And spend of your property on your family. And never raise your stick against your family. And fill them with the fear of Allaah." Saheeh, Irwaa (2026) 15/20 From Abdullaah bin Umar who said, "A man came to the Prophet (SAW) intending to go on jihaad. So he said, 'are your parents alive?' He said, 'yes.' So he said, 'your jihaad is with them.'" Saheeh, Irwaa (1199) Chapter 9: The one whose parents attain old age and he does not enter paradise 16/21 From Abu Hurayra, from the Prophet (SAW) that he said, "May he be disgraced and humiliated, may he be disgraced and humiliated, may he be disgraced and humiliated." They said, "who O Messenger of Allaah?" He said, "the one whose parents attain old age, or one of them, and he enters Hellfire (by not serving them)." Saheeh, at-Ta'leeq ar-Ragheeb (3/215) Chapter 10: Not seeking forgiveness for ones father who is mushrik 17/23 From Ibn Abbaas, about the saying of Allaah, 'and if one of them, or both of them attain old age during your life, then do not say to them "Uff"' until His saying, 'as they brought me up when I was young' - "this was abrogated (or the meaning was restricted) by the aayah in Surah al-Baraa', 'it is not for the Prophet and the believers that they seek forgiveness for the mushriks, even if they be of the close relations, after it has been made clear to them that they are the Companions of Hell.'" Hasan Isnaad. Chapter 11: Birr to the parent who is a mushrik 18/24 From Sa'd bin Abee Waqqaas who said, "four verses were revealed with regards to me in the Book of Allaah: My mother swore that she would not eat and drink until I disassociated myself from Muhammad (SAW), So Allaah revealed. 'and if they endeavour to make you commit shirk with me, of which you have no knowledge, then do not obey them and accompany them in this world in a good way.' I took a sword which I liked, so I said, 'O Messenger of Allaah give me this' so the verse was revealed, 'they ask you about the spoils of War', I became sick so the Messenger of Allaah (SAW) visited me. So I said, 'O Messenger of Allaah! I intend to divide my property, shall I give a half away (in charity)?' He said, 'no.' So I said, 'a third?' and he remained silent. And afterwards a third was made permissible, I drank alcohol with a group of the Ansaar, and then a man amongst them struck me on my nose at a place called Lahya Jamal. So I went to the Prophet (SAW) and Allaah revealed the verse with regards to the prohibition of alcohol." Saheeh, al-Mishkaat (3072)

Ok Inshallah Truth Seeker for the sake of Allah and the Audience i shall take the time to address your points and state my position in a clear and comprehensive manner, but this shall be my last discussion as i have lost all interest in debating! The fact that i believe HD is a deviant Group does not make them kufar, So your are still a muslim, and Inshallah ill address that issue and among the others in my next post! Also i suggest that we refrain from a circular discussions its really tiresome!

Surely All Praises belongs to Allah The Sublime! On the authority of Ibn ‘Umar (radiyallaahu ‘anhumaa) who said, ‘The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) took me by my shoulders and said: ‘Be in this world as if you are a stranger or a wayfarer.’’ And Ibn ‘Umar (radiyallaahu ‘anhumaa) used to say: ‘If you reach the evening, then do no wait for the morning, and if you reach the morning, then do not wait for the evening. And take (advantage of) your health before times of sickness, and take (advantage of) your life before your death.’ Please visit here for the following articles: http://www.troid.org/articles/hadeeth/explanationofhadeeth/index.htm Articles: (1) The Muqaddimah of Saheeh Muslim By Imaam Muslim Ibnul-Hajjaaj al-Qushayree an-Naysaabooree Benefits from the introduction to Imaam Muslim's Saheeh) (2) The Explanation of the Hadeeth of the Bedouin By al-Haafidh Zaynud-Deen al-'Iraaqee (d. 806H) An explanation by al-Haafidh al-'Iraaqee concerning the famous hadeeth of the Bedouin Arab who urinated in the mosque. The author lists nine tremendous benefits from this incident of Prophetic wisdom. (3) The Obligation of Obeying the Rulers in that which is Lawful By Imaam Aboo Zakariyyah Yahyaa Ibn Sharif an-Nawawee Decisive commentary from Imaam Aboo Zakariyyah Yahyaa Ibn Sharaf an-Nawawee concerning the hadeeth about obeying the Muslim rulers in that which is lawful. Certainly another thorn in the throats of the Takfeeriyyeen, Qutbiyyeen, Irhaabiyyeen! (4) The Believer's Existence in this World The 40th Hadeeth of 'Al-Arba'oon an-Nawawiyyah' Explained by al-‘Allaamah Muhammad Ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen [d. 1421H] On the authority of Ibn ‘Umar (radiyallaahu ‘anhumaa) who said, ‘The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) took me by my shoulders and said: ‘Be in this world as if you are a stranger or a wayfarer.’’ http://www.troid.org/articles/hadeeth/explanationofhadeeth/index.htm

^^^ now please try in english

I think you missed my point....there is a difference between a khalifah and Ruler(wali Amr) As the Messenger of Allah(saw) said the prophethood woul remain with you as long as Allah wills, then Khalifah Rashidun, then Kingship and then Oppressive Kingship, Then Khalifah On the path of the Prophet....therefore Khalifah and a muslim ruler such as a king, sultan or whatever title they may Carry, hearing and obeying belongs to them! It strange how you try to explain away the hadith, like i have never seen it explained in such a way! MAy Allah help us.... from it will....to ....it does have to be! anyways.... thats i have to say about this topic! You may continue with ur affairs, as you wish! Mutakalim, if you think the 12 khulafa are the 12 imams the shia's believe in, then you must remember the shias dont consider ABu Bakr, Umar and Uthman part of the 12 imams, Yet they were Quraysh and all carried the khalifah title during their live time.

What is the indication to make this an obligation, why cannot it not be a mandoub? Brother Truth Seeker by Allah it would have been better for you if you directed your energy on studying the Quran and sunnah and leaving these affairs your heart is attached to, in that case you would have known that the Khalifah MUST be a Quraysh, and Allah guides who he wills! inshallah here are the adilla(proves) The messenger of Allah said: (1) “There will be twelve commanders all from the Quraysh"(Sahih al-Bukhari 9:329) (2) The matter (life) will not end, until it is passed by twelve Caliphs" ... "All of them will be from Quraish Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, Kitab al-Imaarah, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v3, p1452, Tradition #5 Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraish and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraish), v3, p1009, Tradition #4477. (3) "The Islamic religion will continue until the Hour (day of resurrection), having twelve Caliphs for you, all of them will be from Quraish." [5] Sahih Muslim p1010, Tradition 4483

Allahu Akbar your right, Angels are Males i'll change it, BTW Qac Qac what should be the title?

Allahu Akbar If its Iblis' job to lead people astray, then what about the Jehovas Witness what is there job!Allahu Musta3an Seeking Knowledge is not the issue my friend, its who you seek the knowledge from! NEways this thread is just to boring, have fun

Viking If IBlis told you to be nice to animals you would appreciate his advice to! and we all know how Iblis approached Adaam and Xawa! Sakinah It would be nice if you would reference your hadith! your not Thiqah!

Allahu Akbar! Mutakalim, warya dude, The P.reformer, Im not sure about you folks, but am concerned about who I take my religion from, just because some guy talks about the prophet (saw) and Allah does not mean he is upon clarity. The poster clearly advocates for the shia who speak ill of the sahaba, such as Mu’awiyah, Abu Bakr, and Aish and claim that Umar(ra) was a thief, saying that he stole the Khalifah from Ali(ra). Refer to Nur’s post for more info about shia’s Misguidance. This poster who encourages Tawassuf via Sufi Manners, believes Wahhabism(Allahu Musta3an), Its up to u guys who u take your religion from, but It is in my best interested that I know who the shaykh is, and what he Is upon, lest I should be among the uninformed folks who take their knowledge from everyone who speaks about Islam! Viking, if virty means to insult Aisha(ra) , or if virty means to call upon the Deceased Pious people for assistance(ra), If virty means to Speak Ill of the Sahaba, then In that case, Let Allah be our witness that I Don’t know what Virty means!

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