Originally posted by The Duke: halkaasoo uu ka dhacayo shir ay isugu imaanayaan madaxda wadamada caalamka Is Geedi head of State, why is he attending this meeting instead of Yeey?

Originally posted by The Duke: Andre, a Belgian, will be based in Nairobi.

Originally posted by The Duke: ^^^loool, you are hoping for internalconflict after the defeat. Typical So is there one?

Originally posted by The Duke: Xuubsireed seems to be ok, some wounds nothing major he is doing his job thats all. The sites closest to him have reported this including Somaliweyn.com. Saxiibo hadalkaas ka firso wax hadhw kugu so noqon doona aya jira. Xuubsireed Allah ka badbadiyo dhawaca so garey.

Originally posted by Emperor: Dheere is really the man of clan... Indeed strong man to be proud off and put on SOLs boards, that's your impression on this... Nope saxib...those who embraced and glorified Maxamed Dhere in SOL are well documented, now that you found through the grapefine that he is not singing the tune of Yeey it is not fair you should throw him to others. Having said that saxiib I ask you again can you confirm that there is no conflict within the TFG, and please spare me the humourous excuse of Duke 'Blair & Brown'.

Typical in reaction from Duke and co. I expected that, however cheap they are ideologically or otherwise they have in common in lack of comprehenssion. This thread was simply to prove that there is nothing in union within the TFG. Infact there is a rift, conflict of interest and wider margin for inner conflict. For me I do not differentiate Yeey, Geedi, Dhere or all those that work for TFG - they are all puppets of Ethiopians as the article itself puts it, however though they are puppets in conflict and competition - that is what I want to point out. I think emperor proved my point by rediculing Maxamed Dhere. Now, as I asked before, can you dispute the fact that all is not rosy within the hierarchy of the TFG?

C/lahi Yuusuf iyo Taageerayaashiisa reer Puntland oo ku hungoobey qabsashada Itoobiyaanka ee Soomaaliya C/lahi Yuusuf iyo taageerayaashiisa riyo been ah ayey ku riyoodeen waxey islahaayeen Itoobiyaanka marka uu wadanka qabto idinkaa Boqoro iyo Amiiro wadanka ka noqon doona, cidda aad rabtaan ayaa xiran doontaan, kan idiinku madax adeegana ama ciil hore u qabteena waa dili doontaan idinka oo maxkamad been ah iyo sharciyo xadgudub ah isticmaalaya laakiin arintu sida ay moodayeen ma noqon. Odey kamid ah Odayaasha dhaqanka beesha USC oo dhowr jeer la kulmey Gen. Gebre iyo C/lahi Yuusuf ayaa inoo sheegey in Gen.Gebre iyo Col. C/lahi Yuusuf isku qadiyad iyo isku aragti toona ahayn oo Odeygu wuxuu nagu yiri " C/lahi Yuusuf qadiyad raqiis ah ayuu wataa oo Soomaali ku laayey,gumeysina gacanta ugu geliyey wadankii,waxa sida waa aargoosi iyo xukun jaceyl waalan , laakiin Gen. Gebre waa nin wata qorshe fog oo asaga iyo dowladiisaba waxey doonayaan dhulka Soomaaliya iyo Soomaaliduba in qarniyada soo socda laga hago Addis Ababa, dana kama laha qabiil Soomaali laakiin waxey rabaan in ay dhistaan shaqsiyaal dabakadhilif u ah oo danahooda guracan fuliya". Xaqiiqduna waa sidaa maanta Muqdisho waxaa C/lahi Yuusuf ka awood badan Maxamed Dheere, wuxuuna sameeyaa wuxuusan C/lahi Yuusuf raali ka ahayn oo xitaa wuxuu u hanjabaa ragga C/lahi qaraabada yihiin ee Villa Somalia jarta ku cayaara shaqalaanta haysa darteed, sababtuna waxa waxey tahay Saraakiisha Tigreyga ee Muqdisho ku sugan ayaa fahmey in wax u hagaagaya jiri doonin hadii aynaan adeegsan hogaamiye kooxeedyadii Muqdisho oo faraha ugu gubtey qiyaanada iyo iska daba wareega ka jira magaalada Muqdisho. Itoobiyaanku hadafkoodu waa in wadankii Soomaaliya ahaa iyaga dusha ka xukumaan danna kama laha cidda howshaa u fulisa qabiilka uu ka soo jeedo, waxaase arintaa ku dagmey beesha C/lahi Yuusuf ka dhashey oo sheekhooda iyo Caamadoodaba C/lahi Yuusuf ku taageerey in Itobiyaanka gacanta loo geliyo dadkii iyo dhulkii Soomaalida, iyaga oo iska dhaadhiciyey dalka idinkaa la idiin qabanayaa !. Odayaal Soomaali ah oo ku nool dhulka Soomaaligalbeed ayaa Meles Zenawi u kala dhuuntey iyaga oo mid walba ka dhaadhicinaya in qabiilkiisu ka tiro iyo dadnimo badan yahay qabiilada kale ee gobolka dega sidaa darteedna ay mudanyihiin in gobolkaa looga danbeeyo beeshooda. Meles Zanawi oo aad ula yaaban dhaqan xumada Soomaalida ayaa wuxuu ku yiri qaar kamid ah Odayaashii uu la kulmey " Abeeso magacyo kala duwan baxsadey ayaa tihiin anigana Abeeso kama soo dhaweysanayo Abeeso kale, laakiin ogaada Abeesada danta qaranka (Itoobiya) Ilaalisa ayaan isku dan nahay". Tan maanta Soomaaliya ka taagana waa sheekada kor aan ku soo xusney mid u dhiganta Tigrey dan qaas ah kama laha qabiil Soomaali ee dantooda ayey u socdaan yaan dalka, dadka iyo diintaba la iib geynin. Kuwii dibadaha ka soo cararey markii C/lahi Yuusuf kaaraha lagu keeney Muqdisho oo qabsashada Tigreyga si aadka ah u taageerey iyaga oo islahaa dal baa xukumeysaan maanta maxey ka yihiin Soomaaliya ama Muqdisho?, sida Cabdirashiid Seed, Yuusuf Beriberi, Azhari, Yuusuf Weyrax, Dhiigsokeeye,Xuseen Idimaale, Daahir Mire Jibriil, Cabdirisaaq Axmed Cali, C/risaaq Durqun,Xiif Cali Taar iyo kuwa la midka ah oo isku magaabey darajooyin been ah oo aan jirin,raggani maanta waxey halis ugu jiraan in Maxamed Dheere dariiqyada Muqdisho ku dharbaaxo ama ku xir xirto sidii Jowhar ka dhacdey haddaba riyadii ahayd Tigrey baa dal kuu qabanaya soo ma noqon riyo lagu hungoobey. SOURCE I remember how Duke and co. were irked when I started the topic that Geedi and Yeey are not in the same boat and were at odds - well the story is slowly coming to surface - and am sure there will be more to come.

In the background, he is a good fella in persona, but IU guess he was overtaken by the same emotions thaqt has blinded Duke.

Duke saxiib, anyword from Xubsireed latest condition, I hope he gets better Inshallah..amiin!

Originally posted by Dabshid: Ps, I neither liked the TFG nor ICU tactics, but i see a CLEAR winner now, which may bring hope to millions of Somalis, first time in 16 years! If you dont like them in the first place , how do you envisage them (TFG) being a hope for 'millions' of Somalis? Saladu saxiib halke bey iska qabsan la'dahey?

Originally posted by Allamagan: Anyway, the ICU, they came and they went within the space of 6 months. Why? Because there were good men and bad men within the ICU, and these BAD & ruthless opportunists exploited the publicity at every oppurtunity and therefor regrettably hijacked the good cause of the ICU & Kacdoonskii Shacabka . So the ICU has been led astray by out-of-date-map drawn by these indivduals. Horn: Sadly, clan opportunities threw in their money and resources and came to dominate the maneuvering of the entity and that is why it ceased to exist. The two above quotes sums up everything. And it is the reasons why the ICU an alternative for the better did not gain the wide and general support it harboured in its emergence. But am sure many of us who opposed it for its hypicrosy will regret that stance considering the situation we are in today.

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko: This thread should be merged with the other thread were Riyaale is getting searched. And I wanted to believe you were neutral.. :confused:

'The cabinet members have discussed [it] and they have extended [an] olive branch to the former Islamic courts militias, other anti-government militias and the opposition politicians as well,' government spokesman Abdi Haji Gobdon told reporters in Mogadishu. Kuwaan caafiska fidinaya ya ayaga caafiyay horta?

Somalis yearn for the return of Islamic Courts rulers 'If the Islamic Courts came back, not just this area but the whole of Somalia will be safer' The ruins of the old sugar factory in Marere, in the southern interior of Somalia, tower over the wooden shacks and brick huts which shelter the 2,000 or so people still living here. This used to be the second-largest sugar factory in the world, employing more than 20,000 people. Now, its rusting steel frame, chimneys and pipes sunk deep into the tall grass provide a painful echo of the wreck which Somalia has become. Everything worth anything has gone, the scrap metal systematically torn off and shipped to India or old equipment taken by scavengers to be sold off at the market in nearby Jilib. "Maybe one day someone will rebuild it," said Abdirizak Hassan Moalim, squinting into the sun. The 21-year-old has been living in a village near the sugar factory for two months after fleeing the violence in Somalia's capital Mogadishu. "It needs to be safe here first though," he added. "There was a chance under the Courts, but now, I don't know." Six months after the fall of Somalia's Union of Islamic Courts (UIC), insecurity has returned to the country. In this rural district in the south, where in the past 12 months floods have followed drought, the rule of the gun is back. The government has failed to take control, leaving Marere and the surrounding areas in limbo. The UIC controlled Marere and the neighbouring district of Jilib for just three months at the end of last year. After Somalia's capital, Mogadishu, fell to the government and its Ethiopian allies at the end of December, the Courts melted away. Local people, from teen-agers to elders, now talk of the brief period of rule by the Islamic Courts in wistful tones. For the first time in a generation, there was a level of security in the district that few had believed was possible. The various clan-based militias which terrorised the region, setting up checkpoints and settling disputes with guns, buried their arms. Before the Courts' arrival, there had been nine roadblocks along the route from Marere to Kismaayo, a port town roughly 100 miles away. Controlled by individual militia groups, they demanded money from everyone who passed. Under the Courts, the roadblocks disappeared. The effect was immediate. The price of food in Marere fell as traders travelling from Kismaayo no longer had to factor in the cost of roadblocks. The cost of travelling between Marere and Kismaayo also fell - from 100,000 shillings to just 30,000. One commodity increased in price: cigarettes. The Courts banned smoking, along with the chewing of khat, a mild narcotic popular throughout Somalia. The price of a packet of cigarettes rose from 6,000 shillings to 20,000. But strict conservative policies like this began to erode much of the UIC's popular support in Mogadishu. With the demise of the Courts, the militias have dug up their weapons and the checkpoints and insecurity have returned. A vehicle belonging to Médicins Sans Frontières (MSF) was shot at two weeks ago. MSF, which runs a hospital and feeding centre in Marere, was forced to evacuate its small team of expatriate staff. "If the Islamic Courts came back, not just this area but the whole of Somalia will be safer," said Mohammed Abdullahi Gure, chairman of Marere elders' committee. "People used to fear the Islamic Courts. The government does not have the holy Koran so they do not fear them." The UIC's presence in Marere district was limited, but effective, Mr Gure said. A commander was appointed, based in the village of Gududey. He had just one technical - the souped-up 4x4s armed with machine guns - and a handful of soldiers, but few were prepared to risk committing a crime. "There wasn't a militia man who would move with guns," said Mr Gure. "They feared because they were told the Islamic Courts forces would have the Holy Koran as their guide." Without the sharia law which the UIC imposed, Mr Gure and his committee of elders are unable to keep the peace. There is no system of justice in Marere. The men who shot at MSF were forced to write a letter apologising for their actions but they continue to live freely in the community. The weak transitional government is now entering its sixth month based in Mogadishu but it is still struggling to assert its authority, reliant on the support of Ethiopian troops. In an Ethiopian-led offensive in April, up to 400,000 people fled the capital as the government attempted to pacify an insurgency. Mr Moalim lived in one of the areas deemed by the government to be home to remnants of the Islamic Courts' military wing, Al Shabbab. After two Ethiopian shells hit his home, he moved to GSB camp. "It is just not safe enough any more," he said. As one of the few Somalis in this district to have received an education - he grew up in Kenya - Mr Moalim has found work as an English teacher, helping MSF's Somali staff master the basics. "I hope I can save enough to go to college. I would like to be a lab technician. My dream would be to return to Mogadishu and be safe there." Source: Mathaba News Agency, June 16, 2007

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: looooool@A/Y ,,,, Qosalkaan waa mid cabsi iyo naxdiin huwaan ayan uu maleyna... Hayey....A/Yusuf....JB carar....!

ETHIOPIAN INVASION OF SOMALIA – CAUSES AND CONSEQUENCES By Jama Mohamed Ghalib Sunday, June 10, 2007 The recent invasion of Somalia sanctioned by the United States was primarily motivated by a deep rooted aversion to Islam on the part of neoconservatives of the Bush administration. The alleged presence of Al-Qaeda operatives in Somalia was a myth, not unlike Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction. The object of this myth was to create the rationale for that invasion. After all, US proxy forces have taken over the Somali capital and no trace of such Al-Qaeda operatives have been found, although claims of the US myth still continue. An uprising of the citizenry in Mogadishu under the leadership of Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) established a rule of law by the Islamic Sharia that wiped out anarchy and misery within the short time of their authority with no cost to the international community. The uprising also removed United States clientele of warlords who had been preying on the people for more than a decade and a half. Under that rule of law both the Mogadishu seaport and international airport were re-opened after being closed for more than a decade and rehabilitation programmes were in progress when the new order was not only aborted, but was also defamed as a terrorist organization in order to justify that sinister invasion. Furthermore, the US ambassador to Kenya, Michael Ranneberger’s comments in an interview on or about 23 May 2007 that the UIC did not have broad based support inside Somalia was an insult to human intelligence. What the ambassador wanted to be believed was a total denial of the popular uprising mentioned here-above that had supported the UIC, ending 16-year war-lordism, banditry, kidnapping, hostage taking for ransom, sea-piracy and overall anarchy that had visited misery on the Somali people. All those heinous crimes have resumed unabated since ending the authority of UIC by the US sanctioned foreign aggression, despite ubiquitous US proxy forces. Another absurd comment of the ambassador during that same interview was that the Ethiopian foisted Trojan horse, the so-called TFG that had not been able to function for nearly three years since its inception and only survives under Ethiopian protective care had legitimacy that the UIC with such a homegrown popular uprising of support had not! And thirdly, the ambassador’s other remark that the US was helping the Somali people after sanctioning the cause (invasion) of the ongoing mayhem and misery that is being visited on the same people was not only ironic, but it is construed as a euphemism for the destruction of the social fabric of the Somali people. And adding insult to injury, the US neoconservative administration chose Ethiopian authorities, a perennial arch enemy of the Somali people of nearly five-century standing and still colonizing a large segment of the Somali people and their homeland, as its US proxy to execute that invasion, determined to destroy the essential structures in Somalia lest there ever be another Islamic rule. They could not have chosen a worse proxy than Meles Zenawi whose misrule had turned Ethiopia itself into a police state. The Ethiopian US proxy forces have been afforded free rein vis-à-vis their occupation of Somalia where they visit havoc on the Somali people, especially in the national capital, Mogadishu. They act independent of their foisted Trojan horse, the so-called Somali government or TFG. This is easily explained by the well publicized fact of Ethiopian forces commanders’ freedom to negotiate with or coerce various Somali community leaders by passing those TFG. Traditionally, since their early conquests of non-Abyssinian (Amhara and Tigre) Ethiopian nationalities, Ethiopian forces were never given regular budgets since the Menelik II era, but instead they had lived upon the spoils of those conquests and thereafter upon the resources of the conquered people. That Abyssinian culture has not changed up to the present time. They have since their occupation of Somalia been looting whatever they can lay their hands on, especially snatching any moveable items. In particular, they target cash of money, Mobile phones and laptops (personal computers). The last two items upon the pretext of checking them for terrorist connections, but they never come back. Instead they end up in black markets in Addis Ababa. The Orphanage hospital, SOS, was ransacked of all its stock of medicines. Many people have been kidnapped from their homes at night and their whereabouts are unknown, while others have bought their release by paying bribes. It is a common practice that people believed to have some income or wealth are easily accused of terrorist connections, or even arrested and blackmailed to ransom themselves. The above plundering acts and also the illegal occupation naturally invite resistance from the local populace. The Ethiopian forces always respond brutally with unproportionate greater force including the use of tanks, heavy artillery and war planes in built up areas that impose collective punishments and spare no quarter. Consequently, they cause a great deal of suffering mainly to the civilian population and have so far inflicted a minimum death toll of over one thousand six hundred and seventy (1,670) and wounding twice as many, as well as displacement of between 400,000 and half a million people made homeless, according to humanitarian and media sources. The Ethiopian invaders/occupiers and their Trojan horse, the so-called TFG, in order to justify their savage actions, claim all those victims were terrorists, even those killed in their sleep who perished under the rubble of their bombarded and destroyed homes by Ethiopian indiscriminate fire-power in the middle of the night. A number of Mogadishu quarters were continuously bombed and emptied of any human survivors. Even health clinics were not spared. All schools were closed down and health services were very severely curtailed. Humanitarian relief efforts were obstructed at best or totally denied. A great deal of the infrastructure has been destroyed by Ethiopian heavy fire-power and the overall economy is devastated. At the above backdrop, the commission of war crimes is obvious and beyond any reasonable doubt. However, the UN Security Council is most unlikely to authorize the setting up of war crimes tribunal unlike those of Rwanda, Sierra Leone and other similar situations since the United States, a key permanent member, is actually a party to the above diabolic scenario from which resulted the war crimes. And after all, neither Meles Zenawi nor Abdullahi Yusuf, or Ali Mohamed Gedi, the principal perpetrators of the war crimes, are Charles Taylors. It is, therefore, left to the Somali people both inside and outside the country to seek humanitarian assistance and also raise local resources for the pursuit of remedial legal action to present complaints on behalf of the victims of the war crimes and/or their families to the International Criminal Court (ICC) in Rome. Urgent solutions to Somalia’s salvation lie in a genuine all-inclusive reconciliation process. However, no such meaningful process can be put in motion unless and until Ethiopian occupation is ended and their forces totally withdraw from Somali soil. Even holding such reconciliation forum in a neutral venue outside Somalia will not suffice while Ethiopian forces still remain in the country. This is because the attendance of many people inside the country will be indispensably required at any such forum and they will be harassed and intimidated when leaving or returning to the country. Nor can any viable agreements be reached even outside the country, much less to implement them later inside the country, while Ethiopian forces are still there. Again, no independent fair investigation can be conducted into the war crimes while Ethiopian forces remain in the country. Any solutions to salvation, therefore, depend on the immediate and total withdrawal of Ethiopian forces from Somali soil. However, some quarters justify their continued occupation of Somalia for what they term, ‘to avoid a security vacuum’. This reasoning is baseless and ignores the fact that Mogadishu was a secured environment and only the foreign occupation has made it insecure. And secondly, their continued occupation is insecurity prone, but never fosters peace. The justification is, therefore, not only groundless but also bankrupt. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jama Mohamed Ghalib E-mail: jamaghalib@yahoo.com

Originally posted by The Duke: Faisal Warrabe is clown. He can do nothing to the peopel of SSC. The funny thing is some people defend his views. Mind what you say against him saxiib, for tommorow the TFG might accord him troops and security and you will then call him..'mudane'......

I suggest we send out search party for Duke, he seems to be missing since the nomnads have posed a question of his change of heart regarding 'mudane' A/qassim .

Feysal Warrabes "comments" were despicable, irritant and most of all full of hatred, having said that, I think you can't attribute to no else but him. It does not reflect even that of his party. Hence it should remain as such - throw mud at guy if you want , but not others. Likewise, those defending him should realise by doing so they are affiliating their 'noble' cause to his thinking, so beware.

Originally posted by Northerner: Isnt Daallo the nationali SL carrier? Thought so too, so what is with this new national carrier. Tell you what there is something any national govvernments wont be having their hands on, and that is aeroplanes - it is private now and will remain private - they can manage better than the 'dowlaad'.

Originally posted by Peplow throb: I heard there's new Somaliland airline coming out next year, does anyone know anything about this? Yep, it should be ready by next year Inshallah..! here have a peek...

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: One should not say he/she is somali (even true somali or nationalist) while he/she cannot read/write the mother language ,,,, it is not only you sxb ,,,,, but this is concerning everybody ,,,,, now take your textbook and a pencil and start learning: B T J X KH D R S SH DH C G .............. War isku xishow, leave the man alone - and accept his honesty and sincerity. At least he has given and has a valid reason.

Originally posted by The Duke: Well thats you saxib, no one is above the law mate. Those days are gone, aswas highlighted by the fact the clan clown leaders like Culusow and Abdiqasin are being treated like commoners, which they are. And he said this two days after Duke : The TFG security forces will take care off Mudane A/Qasin's security from now on.

Originally posted by The Duke: The TFG security forces will take care off Mudane A/Qasin's security from now on. From head of clan-court network to Mudane, only Duke can do that and anyone else who has no shame in saying a feeble. Duke: Well thats you saxib, no one is above the law mate. Those days are gone, aswas highlighted by the fact the clan clown leaders like Culusow and Abdiqasin are being treated like commoners, which they are. This in space of two days. It shows Duke that your principle is not worth the paper it is written on, sxb it is clear that you have no directions except the ambitious horned by the tribal love to see adeero in helm.What is shameful is not the fact that you harbour such beleives, that cannot be altered for generations to come, but the fact that you are proved day in day out here in SOL forum and yet you continue.

Did you guys actually envisage that this mockery conference will take place?