Ra,iisal waasaraha Itoobiya oo baadi goob ugu jira labadii shaqsi oo lagu badali lahaa Geeddi iyo Cabdulaahi Yuusuf Adis Ababa Ra,iisal wasaarha Dalka Itoobiya oo xiligaan u taliya labada dal ee Itoobiya iyo Soomaaliya ayaa dadaal weyn ugu jira laba shaqsi oo isfahmi karta ee uu ku badalo Raiisal wasaaraha Soomaaliya iyo Madaxweynha DFKMG si uu helo nasasho yar oo tan hadda heysata uu ga bixi la haa isagoona labada masuul ee xiligaan ka taliya Soomaaliya u arko kuwa aan taageero fiican ka heysan shacabka Soomaaliyeed badina aheyn kuwa isfahmi karo si wanaagsana u wada shaqeyn karo.. Itoobiya oo xiligaan xoog ku joogta Soomaaliya ayaan haddana heysan taageero yar oo shacabka ah taasoo keentay in habeen iyo maalin lagu weeraro goobaha ay ka dagan yihiin Muqdisho.iyagoona la meel yar ay u ciirsadaan . Ra,iisal waasaraha Itoobiya Melaz Sanaawi oo horay u sheegay in fashil uu ka soo gaaray fargalinta uu ku sameyay Soomaaliya ayaan hadda ka quusan sidii uu saxiibo ugu yeelan lahaa Soomaaliya madaama uu u arko in Soomaaliya ay tahay meesha lagu bur burin karo xukunkiisa kali taliska ah . Qilaafka ka dhex jira Madaxweyne Yuusuf iyo Geeddi ayaa soo shaacbaxay markii Madaxweyne Cabdulaahi Yuusuf uu dadaal ugalay in xilka Raiisal wasaare Geeddi uu ku wareejiyo Mudane Cali mahdi Maxamed uu Yuusuf u arko shaqsi isku keeni karo kooxaha Diidan Dowladiisa iyo in uu yahay shaqsi ka bixi karo xiligaan adag ,arinta oo ayaa fahmay in xilka looga wareejin rabo Cali Mahdi ayaa isagana dadaal ugu jira si booskiisa u xajisan la haa Cabdulaahi Yuusufna meel iska saari lahaa Taasoo dhalisay in ay cuuryaanto howshii looga fadhiyey DFKMG soona gaarsiisay ilaa heerkaan cakirsan ee Jahwareerka ku riday shacabka Soomaaliyeed Ra,iisal waasaraha Itoobiya Melaz Sanaawi ayaa isagana u xusul duubanayo labadii shaqsi uu ku badali lahaa Madaxweynha iyo Raiisal wasaaraha Soomaaliya isagoona sheegay labadaasi masull uu siiyey jaanis 3sano ah waxna ay ku qabsan wayey kadibna keentay in uu raadiyo shaqsiyaad u dhaama labadaasi masuul.. Dadka wax saadaalyo yaa sheegayo in labada shaqsi ay yihiin Maxamed Dheere iyo Xasan Abshir Faarax waloow ay noqon karaan shaqsiyad kale oo aan xiligaan ka dhex muuqan masraxa siyaasada Soomaaliya . Warkaan oo aan ka helnay xubno ka tirsan Safaarada Soomaaliya ay ku leedahay AdisAbaba kuwaas oo warka si hoose uu uga soo dusay Maxamed Nuur Cabdi Dayniile,Muqdisho

Wow..! can we have that in simple comprehensive language, sxb?

Somalia: AU to Blame for Stalemate New Vision (Kampala) EDITORIAL 16 July 2007 Posted to the web 17 July 2007 Kampala THE ong-awaited national reconciliation conference for Somalia has finally started. Over 1,000 clan elders, former warlords and politicians from across the country have been invited. But the main opposition group, the Islamic Courts, who were ousted by Ethiopian and Somali troops and are now mainly in exile in Eritrea, has boycotted the conference. They say they cannot attend as long as their Ethiopian enemies are 'occupying' their country. But they are not welcome, either. President Abdulahi Yusuf in his opening speech said he would not talk to those linked to international terrorist groups. The Somali government, Ethiopia and the U.S. have accused the Islamic Courts of having links with el Qaeda, an allegation which the Courts have denied. The talks, which resume on Thursday, will concentrate on clan reconciliation, disarmament and sharing the natural resources. But clan fighting is no longer Somalia's main problem. Rather, the division is between the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) and the other stakeholders, including the Islamic Courts, a large group of MPs, civil society and the Somalis in the Diaspora. The TFG is generally perceived as weak, not functioning, not delivering, and totally dependent on foreign troops for its very survival. Both the President and the Prime Minister are seen as stooges of Ethiopia, the country's arch-enemy ever since the ****** war at the end of the 1970s. But the Islamic Courts, too, should show more readiness for dialogue. They, too, came to power with the help of foreign countries. Most to blame for the present stalemate, however, is the African Union. If the other African countries which pledged troops would have deployed by now, Ethiopia would have had no excuse to stay on. And the Islamic Courts would have had no excuse to boycott the conference. The African leaders recently spent three full days quarrelling about the creation of a United States of Africa. In grandiloquent words, speaker after speaker talked about the need for Africans to unite and solve their own problems. Yet, all except Uganda have miserably failed to come to the aid of their poorest and most desperate brother. Worse, Somalia was not even on the agenda. Source The most logical conclussion that I have come across regarding this dilema.

Originally posted by The Duke: If North Mudug[which will not be explored by Range] has oil, LNG or other minerals, it will be great for the locals in Puntland as well as Somali's every where, Saxiibo horta cuqdaad aya ka buxda ee Allah ka daweyo. Mida kale, even if diamonds are explored and found in abundance in North Galkacyo - it is a joy and wonderful. But that is not under scrutiny. What raises doubt in here , as stated by FT, is level of un-cooperation amid the PM and Yeey. hence reflecting lack of coherence. Thus I was waiting for you to logically debate on that ground but you showed that you are utterly biased and over ridden by your tribal nature and you clearly showed in this statement As for Geedi, who cares? . Saxiibo is daba qabo inta aan lagu qaban.

I assume it is a combination of #1 & #2. However it shows you that there is no clear working relation at the top of TFG.

Somali peace talks adjourned after rebels attack venue Xan Rice, East Africa correspondent Monday July 16, 2007 The Guardian Mortar attacks and the absence of key delegates yesterday marred the start of a reconciliation congress in Somalia designed to help end 16 years of strife. Amid tight security, hundreds of clan leaders, former warlords and politicians gathered inside a former police warehouse in Mogadishu to hear the twice-postponed conference being opened by the country's president, Abdullahi Yusuf. The talks are seen as the last chance for his weak transitional federal government to gain legitimacy with the Somali people by engaging with political opponents. But with only about half of the 1,300 delegates turning up, the conference was quickly adjourned until Thursday. Western diplomats and UN officials had stayed away because of security fears, a caution that appeared justified when insurgents' mortar bombs yesterday exploded near the conference. The insurgency against the government has already claimed thousands of lives, with daily attacks often involving remotely controlled bombs. With its Ethiopian military ally, government troops had, in January, ousted from Mogadishu the hardline Islamic movement known as the Somali Council of Islamic Courts. The move was deeply unpopular among ordinary Somalis, whose antipathy towards their underachieving government has only been surpassed by a disdain for Ethiopia. The subsequent insurgency by remnants of the SCIC and Ethiopian reprisals have been deadly, and mass arrests and heavy-handed weapons searches have engendered deep resentment. Many leaders in Mogadishu's dominant ****** clan, which backed the Islamic movement and which has considerable influence over the insurgents, refuse to talk to the government until the Ethiopian forces, said to number between 20,000 and 30,000, leave. But this would leave the government, whose army is little more than ministers' personal militias, highly vulnerable. For their part, Mr Yusuf and his prime minister, Ali Mohamed Gedi, have been criticised for refusing to talk to moderate leaders of the SCIC, many of whose members now live in Eritrea, Ethiopia's arch-foe. The Asmara group, which includes more than 30 disaffected MPs, plans its own reconciliation congress, and has talked about setting up a government in exile. According to Roland Marchal, a Somalia expert at the Centre for International Studies and Research in Paris, the absence from the talks of people close to the insurgents means the congress will fail. Source

Somali PM ‘unaware’ of Chinese oil deal By Barney Jopson in Nairobi Published: July 16 2007 18:36 | Last updated: July 16 2007 18:36 Somalia’s interim prime minister has sought to distance himself from a decision to grant oil exploration rights to CNOOC, indicating that the Chinese state oil giant may have become entangled in an internal power struggle within the interim government. CNOOC and a smaller group, China International Oil and Gas, are planning to begin survey work in the Puntland province later this year – the latest example of China’s willingness to brave Africa’s most volatile regions in search of natural resources. But Ali Mohamed Gedi, prime minister, told the Financial Times he had not seen the agreement granting the Chinese groups exploration rights. “I’m not aware of this. I don’t know anything about it,” he said in an interview in Nairobi. He added that no valid deals could be struck until the country’s interim parliament had endorsed a new oil law due to be published in the next two months. The FT, however, has seen a document signed by president Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, who is from Puntland, that granted two Somali officials power of attorney to sign a production-sharing agreement with CNOOC Africa and CIOG in Beijing on May 24 last year. At the time, the transitional government had little authority outside its base in Baidoa. Last month Somalia’s energy minister met with the heads of CNOOC Africa and CIOG in Nairobi to hammer out the details of their planned survey work. One western diplomat who follows Somalia said it would be no surprise to find the president and prime minister working independently of each other. “They don’t really get on. They’re from different clans,” he said. “They have differences and divergences, but they tolerate each other.” CNOOC in Beijing last week declined to comment on any aspect of the deal over exploration rights. Mr Gedi on Monday emphasised the importance of putting a national oil law in place. “There are many companies interested in exploring oil and gas in Somalia, but in order to protect the wealth of the country and the interests of the Somali people, we cannot operate without a regulatory body, without rules and regulations,” he said. He was aware of “informal contacts” between his government and oil companies, including Chinese groups and some of the western oil groups that held exploration concessions in the 1980s. Asked how oil groups would feel about one of their rivals striking a deal ahead of the oil law, he said: “Life is up and down. Today yes, tomorrow no. Tomorrow yes, the day after, no. But I believe those who are interested in the oil business in Somalia will be received after the petrol law is endorsed by parliament.” In the late 1980s exploration concessions were held by companies including Conoco and Phillips, which have merged; Amoco, now part of BP; and Chevron. These groups left the country after dictator Mohamed Siad Barre was overthrown during civil war in 1991. According to the US Energy Information Administration, Somalia has no proven oil reserves and only 200bn cubic feet of proven natural gas reserves, which have not been tapped. But Range Resources, an oil group listed in Sydney, estimates that the Puntland province has the potential to yield 5bn-10bn barrels of oil. Source And the saga continues

Originally posted by NGONGE: we'll more or less stay exactly where we were before the commencement of this conference, right? Indeed! Purely because it aint reconciling conflicting parties. This is designed to picture that the TFG is holding a conference and confince the International community that they are doing their part - but the insurgents, however much one may despise their conduct of practice - are making sure to prove that all is not 'inclusive'. So my friend it is 'jug-jug meshada joog'.

Somalia Reconciliation Conference Opens, but Soon Stalls Delegates gathered Saturday in Mogadishu, Somalia, on the eve of what was intended to be a national reconciliation conference. The conference was postponed when leading members of the opposition did not attend. NAIROBI, Kenya, July 15 — A national reconciliation conference that diplomats have described as a make-or-break opportunity for Somalia’s troubled transitional government opened in Mogadishu on Sunday. But it barely got off the ground. Top opposition leaders did not show up, and the session was quickly postponed. The conference organizer, Mohammed Ali Mahdi, a former warlord, greeted about 1,000 delegates who had gathered in an old police warehouse in Somalia’s bullet-pocked capital, saying, “I urge you to rise above your respective clan and sub-clan in order to bring normalcy to our country.” But then he adjourned the meeting until Thursday, saying he wanted to wait for more people. Somalia’s transitional government seems on the brink of disappearing into the same vortex of violence that has consumed 13 previous transitional governments. Even as the delegates were meeting on Sunday, mortar shells whooshed nearby. “It’s true, we’re seeing another Baghdad in the making,” said a Western diplomat, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of diplomatic protocol. “But if this conference produces a road map, albeit with a few simple priorities, there’s a little hope.” Somalia desperately needs that hope. Since 1991, when the central government imploded, it has been a stateless mess of warring clans, blown-up buildings, starving people and no clear path forward. The national reconciliation conference was supposed to bring the warring factions back together. The plan was to invite 1,325 elders from Somalia’s dozens of clans and sub-clans and have them meet for at least 45 days to discuss clan differences, disarmament and radical Islam, a growing issue since an Islamic government briefly took power last year. “Our hope is that the tribes will forget all their wars from before,” said Abdi Haji Gobdon, a transitional government spokesman, before the conference. But the Islamists and hard-core members of opposing clans, who are thought to be the backbone of the growing insurgency — are boycotting. “The government doesn’t have a political vision for the country, they are not following a just process for the distribution of resources, and the president is using his militia as a clan militia,” said Mohammed Uluso, a former agricultural minister and leader of the *** clan, which remains mostly hostile to the government. “So, no, we don’t feel there’s any reason to attend this conference and lend it legitimacy.” Ibrahim Hassan Addou, the former foreign minister of the Islamist movement that briefly controlled the country for part of past year, said that until the Ethiopian troops that returned power to the transitional government left Somalia, the Islamist leadership had no interest in attending a conference. “Somalia is under occupation right now, and people are not free to express their views,” he said by telephone from Dubai. “So what’s the point?” Ethiopia invaded in December, with covert American help, and ousted the Islamic movement, which had managed to pacify much of the country. Ethiopian and American officials had accused the Islamists of harboring terrorists. Since then, the Ethiopian forces occupying Somalia have been struggling with an Iraq-style insurgency that has quickly progressed from drive-by shootings to suicide attacks and cellphone-detonated bombs. Mogadishu is so dangerous again that other nations hesitate to send peacekeepers. Despite pledges from African countries to send 8,000 soldiers, only 1,600 Ugandans have showed up so far. Meanwhile, the transitional federal government, a United Nations creation that has never had much grass-roots support, seems stuck in a rut. Its job is to shepherd the country toward elections in 2009. But it has yet to register voters or even organize a census. Piracy off Somalia’s 1,880-mile coastline is a serious issue again, threatening to cut off crucial food deliveries to a population that is often just a few handfuls of grain away from famine. Part of the problem is that the transitional government does not act like the multiclan outfit envisioned by the United Nations. Instead, many Somalis, especially in Mogadishu, see it as ***** clan revenge against the ****** for what happened in the early 1990s, when ****** warlords ran ***** clan members out of Mogadishu. Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, the transitional president, is a former ***** warlord. Tensions between the ***** and ******, two of Somalia’s biggest clans, have dominated modern Somali political history. “Elders used to solve the problems among the tribes long ago,” said Bile Mohamoud Qabowsade, a ***** delegate. “So this conference may pave the way for a lasting solution among Somalis.” But the conference cannot succeed if representatives of major groups do not attend. Another possible reason that they stayed away is that the conference was to be limited mostly to clan issues, and not political ones. Had the government opened the possibility of picking a new prime minister or discussing more equitable ways of sharing revenues from Mogadishu’s port, about the only source of tax income right now, more opposition members might have come. While the transitional government is billing the conference as a historic, one-of-a-kind meeting, it is not much different from the transitional Parliament, which is made up of representatives of all major clans in a formula that reflects Somalia’s demographics. The Parliament has been essentially neutered, though, and recently more than 50 members made a formal statement demanding that they be consulted on important decisions, not ignored. Most foreign diplomats assigned to help piece Somalia back together seem worn out — and pessimistic. European diplomats who had promised to attend the conference canceled their flight at the last minute because the pilots refused to fly into Mogadishu. “I don’t think this could be opening in any worse conditions,” another Western diplomat said, also speaking on condition of anonymity because of diplomatic protocol. One of the most radical ideas about governing Somalia came from a recent letter to the editor of a Nairobi newspaper: split the country into clan-based fiefs and rotate the president every few years. “The status quo can’t go on,” the first diplomat said. “Something’s going to change. For better or worse, I don’t know.”

Originally posted by The Duke: to attack the civilian peace loving delegates from across Somalia in the capital Mgadishu. I ask everyone on SOL political section a simple question. Civilian peace loving? These morons who have turned up for a fake and phoney meeting called by individuals who lavish and exist on the presence of Ethiopian occupation forces in the country, and who above all rejoice at the killing, lootng, raping and destruction of their people and country by Ethiopians - should not only be attacked but shot in the forehead to make sure we rid the dirty scoundrels from the society. These 'caloshod uu shaqeystayasha' dont represent anyone.

Kashafa saxiib is deji, it is you who is arguing like a qualified veteran of 'fadhi-ku-dariir'. The point is not where can the ICU hold a meeting and where not. What is under scrutiny in here what will be the benefit of an ICU conference bring in resolving the current fiasco in Somalia, NONE. What is the difference between a conference called by the TFG and its allies and that of a conference called by ICU and its allies, NONE. Would it resolve anything,NO. Would it bring an end to the senseles killing and occupation in the country ,NO. That is the point sxb, ee nina ma faninayo TFG ama aflagadenayo ICU - hadalku wuxuu yahey, maxaa xal ah? Please see if yu can expand on that, it is less significant if the ICU calls for a meeting even in Lahore.

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: xalado meel ey ethen geysey bal eega! Your against people tryin solve things by talking to each other. how can you people be against people talking, whatever the outcome let it pass and see what it accomplishs. How ideal it would have been sxb if that was the case. And let me straight forward give my apologies if what you say is the actual happening. But unfortunately it is not - wax is dagalsan oo mesha ku wada hadlayo maleh. Those convening are those who are in common agreement and want to mislead others by saying we are reconciling. Therefore my friend, let me return the question to you, will you be the first one to say that your assumptions were wrong if you realise that those convenng now are not in conflict but rather allies in policy - thus a waste of time and effort. Lets see if you and I can agree on that - inta aan Soomaali kaleba lo tegin.

Even before it started the EU, AU & IGAD are looking for other solution, this raises abig question over this circus and its aim. EU, IGAD pledge to solve Somalia problem through political means The European Union (EU) and the Intergovernmental Authority on Development (IGAD) emphasized that Somalia's problems can only be solved through political means at a Ministerial Troika between the EU and IGAD held in Lisbon on Thursday. The political means should be based on the Transitional Federal Charter, and through an inclusive National Reconciliation Congress involving all sections of Somali society rejecting violence, the two sides said in a statement. They also reaffirmed their support for the African Union (AU) Mission in Somalia (AMISOM) and called on all international partners to provide further support to AMISOM and African countries contributing troops. On Sudan, the EU and IGAD concurred on the vital importance of the implementation of the Comprehensive Peace Agreement (CPA) on the Darfur conflict. Both sides stated their strong support for the joint efforts of the African Union (AU) and UN Special Envoys to promote a negotiated settlement of the conflict, and both looked forward to the deployment of the AU/UN Hybrid Operation in Darfur as soon as possible. The meeting was co-chaired by Joao Cravinho, Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs and Cooperation of Portugal and H.E. Seyoum Mesfin, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ethiopia, while representatives from Slovenia, the Commission and the Council General Secretariat also attended the meeting. The EU has always regarded Africa as a neighbor, and reaffirms the strategic importance the EU attaches to the Horn of Africa and the promotion of cooperation and peace, security and development in that region, Cravinho said. Source: Xinhua, July 13, 2007

Somali peace hopes elusive as talks kick off MOGADISHU (AFP) - After a months-long delay, the latest Somali peace conference is due to start in Mogadishu on Sunday but hopes of a breakthrough remain low amid raging violence and a boycott by key players. The so-called reconciliation conference was called by the transitional federal government (TFG) after it defeated an Islamist movement with the help of Ethiopia in January, but their main adversaries have rejected the meeting. The virtually homeless government, which has failed to bring the restive country under control in three years of existence, is staging the conference at a former police warehouse in northern Mogadishu. The area, nearby the presidential palace, came under mortar attack late on Wednesday but Somali President Abdullahi Yusuf put on a brave face in front of reporters. "I am telling you that it will be held as scheduled," he said. "No matter how much violence escalates in Mogadishu, our will will not be broken." Observers said there was the danger that insurgent attacks could still thwart the latest peace initiative. With 2 300 delegates expected for talks that could last weeks, government forces beefed up security around the site and across Mogadishu. "Adequate security is in place and the delegates will be safe," said General Abdi Hassan Awale Qeybdid, a former warlord and the country's police chief. Although no clear agenda has been formulated, the conference was designed to discuss a power-sharing arrangement known as "4.5", bringing four major clans and a smaller one together. Yet the conference has been rejected outright by the Islamic Courts Union (ICU), which was toppled after weeks of heavy fighting with the joint TFG and Ethiopian forces. ICU leaders exiled in Eritrea have demanded that such a conference be held outside of Somalia in a neutral country and only after the withdrawal of Ethiopian troops. "We are not attending a conference aimed at misleading the Somalis as well as other countries. No peace deal is expected from a conference attended by TFG loyalists," a senior ICU official said on condition of anonymity from Asmara. The transitional government blames the Islamist group for the daily guerrilla attacks that have rocked Mogadishu since the group's defeat. The USC clan, dominant in the capital and many of whose members also belong to the ICU, is divided over the conference. "The conference would make sense if it was bringing rival politicians and armed groups to the same table," said Ahmed Diriye, a spokesperson for the Mogadishu Elders. "But if the idea is to talk about a non-existent tribal conflict, it's a waste of money and energy," he said. Another USC faction said it would attend the conference. Asmara-based Islamist leaders and opposition lawmakers have called for their own conference in Eritrea. "The constituent congress will form a coalition with the aim of liberating Somalia from the yoke of the Ethiopian occupation and their collaborators," they said in a statement. Reconciliation and peace initiatives were also undertaken in 2000 and 2002 but violence has continued to convulse the country, which has lacked a functioning central authority since the 1991 ouster of dictator Mohamed Siad Barre. Roland Marchal, an expert from France's Centre d'Etudes et de Recherches Internationales, said the conference was taking place because the international community had requested it but argued the talks were a non-starter. "It's billed as a clanic reconciliation, but the problem isn't so much between clans. It's between the government and the insurgents," he said. "These talks are going down the wrong path ... The time wasted trying to make this conference work will allow the violence to grow and evolve." Marchal argued the conference would be broaching the wrong issues with the wrong people if it failed to involve the insurgents and tackle political differences as well as an Ethiopian pullback. "These things should be discussed with the radicals and the insurgents, but this is where the international community is deficient," he said. "If you want a ceasefire, you will have to talk to these people, whether you like them or not. Alternatively, you can pretend to have won, like it was done in Iraq and Afghanistan." Source: AFP, July 13, 2007 Ali Musa Abdi Friday, July 13, 2007

Originally posted by NGONGE: Why else do you think Abdullahi Yusuf is sat in that bombed out Villa Somalia when he could easily go somewhere safer and more luxurious! IMAGE indeed. But then again he would not be there had it not been for the occuppiers who brought him there - and if they leave , the old man will return to the 'fadhi-ku-dirirs' in Camden town. Hence he is there cause of them, and they the Axmaros are the core to the dilema and also the obstacle to convening a sustainable conference. So Raami you being the man with boat who will you first take on your boat. The bottom line is the groups should convene in a meeting that neither has the control but meets their confidence.

Bilal I have no qualms against the Asmara group , or even the fact a conference being held there, what am questioning is its authenticity in terms of meeeting the required goals - which obviously is reconciling conflictig parties in the country. Will the Asmara conference and Mogadishu conference do that - big NO. That is my point Bilal, lets find a way we can bring this parties toghether and then delve ways we cab make them work without any pre-conditions - we are not in a position to set conditions at the moment.

If this conference called by Sheikh Sharif materialises, I dont see it achieving any grounds apart than what it is at the moment - an opposition. Furthermore , how will it be different from the one called by the TFG. It will be a meeting of those who are of same thinking and policy - it will not resolve anything as there will be no conflicting asides attending it. We need to be serious about resolving issues, if we are going out to fully criticise the TFG for calling out a conference which it controls its procedings and the outcome - like wise we should be saying the same about the Asmara gang. I believe that the solution to the dilema in Somalia lies in convening a conference in a safe enviroment (without the intimadation of outside players) and attended by the opposing factors the TFG and the Asmara group will be a tilt towards the creation of an acceptable solution. Anything other than that is a mockery.

Originally posted by Garyaqaan*: waa baan waxaan maqli jiray tuug laqabtay talo malaha lol Waxan maqli jirey dockayeer

Originally posted by Emperor: Beentu luga malahan ayaan maqli jiray, ileen waa run Indeed..! waayo hadi ay lugo ledahay adey kusocon laheyd.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Adeer I don’t really care this reconciliation thing anymore. I don’t think it will matter if this tfg buys all the so-called Somali beel spokesmen and wins their attendance. I said it before, and I tell you now it’s a sham intended not to reconcile Somalis but to appeal to the donor communities. Indeed sxb, however, the intend of this thread was not to use the negative stance of the spokesman as a weapon against the 'circus'. But to show that not everyone is singing to the tune of the TFG. Having said, it was always expectant the emergence of a different group from the same 'beel' who will dismiss his claim and state that they will attend the 'circus'. As we had in here a well reputed opposition who said Whether it is presided over by Abdullahi Yusuf or the devil himself, dialogue is never something to refuse. Wax walba waxaa sal u ah wada hadal. . How ideal it would have been if that sort of dialogue was the basis of the planned 'circus'. The planned circus does not intend to resolve problems through dialogue or through any other means. Simply cause it does not recognise they |(the problems) exists. Secondly it is persumed by the organisers (TFG) that there is no political rift in Somalia but a tribal one at te moment. Thus by reconciling the tribes the TFG assumes the dilema will come to an end. Which is why this 'circus' is a non starter at all.

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Mogadishu 10, July 07 ( Sh.M.Network)- Dowladda Somalia ayaa ka hor istaagtay wafdi dhaqaatiir ah oo ka socda ururka Jaamacadda Carabta in ay soo galaan magaalada xarunta ah ee Muqdisho si ay kaalmo caafimaad ugu fidiyaan dadka ku dhaqan dalka Soomaaliya. Waregeyska sharqul Awsat ee kasoo baxa carriga Ingiriiska ayaa kasoo xigtay saraakiil ka tirsan ururka Jaamacadda carabta in xoogagga amaanka Somalia ay u diideen 6 dhakhtar oo u dhashay waddanka Masar oo qeyb ka ah wafdi ka socday jaamacadda carabta in ay soo galaan magalada Muqdisho in kastoo dhakhaatiirtaasi ay siteen baasaboorro dal ku gal leh iyo document xaqiiq ah . Xog-hayaha guud ee ururka Jaamacadda carabta Camar Muusa ayaa wafdigan u soo diray dalka Somalia si ay gacan bini aadannimo oo dhinaca caafimaadka ah ugu fidiyaan tobannaan kun oo Soomaali ah xilli Isbitaallada magaalada Muqdisho ay la liicayaan dhakhaatiir yari iyo dawo la’aan . Durbadiiba waxaa xiriir dag dag ah arrintaasi maalintii shalay ka yeeshay dowladda Masar iyo xukuumadda Somalia si xal looga gaaro arrinta dhakhaatiirtan hase yeeshee xiriirradaasi wax natiijo ah kamaanay soo bixin. Waftigan Dhakhaatiirta ah ayaa markii loo diiday in ay kasoo dagaan garoonka diyaaradaha magalada Muqdisho waxa ay u weecdeen oo ay ka dageen magaalada Jabuuti ee waddanka jabuuti iyagoo halkaasi ku sugaya bal in dowladda Somalia ay dib uga laabato go’aankeedaasi kadiska ah ee ay dhakhaatiirta ugu diidday in ay soo caga dhigtaan Muqdisho. Wargeysku waxa uu leeyahay saraakiil ka tirsan xukuumadda Soomaaliya ayaa inoo xaqiijiyay in wafdigan oo horay uga shaqeeyay magaalada Muqdisho uu xiriir la leeyahay golaha maxaakimta Islaamka . Saraakiishu waxa ay sheegeen in waftigan dhakhaatiirta ahi uu si suuq madow ah dawooyinka u siiyo dhinacyo ka baxsan xukuumadda Soomaaliya . Eedeymahaasi ayaa waxaa si kulul u beeniyay saraakiil ka tirsan dowladda Masar iyo ururka jaamacadda carabta iyadoo saraakiishaasi ay tilmaameen sida aadka ah ee ay dowladda Masar uga xuntahay mowqifka dowlada Somalia ay ugu bareertay in ay isku hor taagto howlaha bini aadanimo ee uu waday wafdigaasi. Maaha khilaafkii ugu horreeyay oo soo kala dhex gala dowladda Somalia iyo ururka jaamacada carabta iyadoo horay ay dowladdu ugu eedeysay Jaamacadda carabta in ay u janjeerto dhinaca golaha maxaakimta islaamka Soomaaliyeed. Click here to find this article English Shabelle Media Network Somalia

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Originally posted by xiinfaniin: if the siad melitia leader truelly represents the beel you are eluding to marxaban yaa tfg adeer, i say. That's my short answer. Your marxaban bears the naivity you mention, simply cause what you attribute to the said spokesman of the 'beel' is the norm 'job-description' in the tfg. As for my view regarding Kismaayo, I doubt whether it will have any significancy in this particular thread - though in general I believe the mass inhabitants of the region are unarmed hence not active combatants in the current conflict. Which brings me to the point to ask you why do you relate the 'spokesman and his beel' to Kismayo, and what has the topic of this thread got to do with Kismaayo - wamaxay waxaa ku gubaya sxb?