Originally posted by AYOUB: First of all Salaams wa Raxmas. We've hardly crossed paths, have? Every cloud has ... Like I said, there' room for compromise instead of war. If Somalia remains "a failed State", and not ready for settlement then Somaliland with it's borders should be left alone. You can't have your cake and eat it. You can't be too sick to work and be fit enough the boss at the same time. BTW - At the risk of being Duke-like repetitive, Somaliland has the right of self-determination just like KILIL5 and NFD if they choose to go alone. I'll only ask your permission if I want to us unite. The 60 union failed with Somali Republic you can't deny that. Wa Caleykum Wa Salaam w w ! Sxb ha ila fogaan hana ii fogeyn. I think you have a point beyond doubt as far as a failed nation goes, but that is over ridden by your zealous believe that the secession is overwhelmingly desired by the majority, which brings me to my ealier statement that those who signed the union should all be present to disband it in full mutual agreement. And they dont necessarily have to be all those who are from the 'south', but I think you will agree with me more than one unit was made up of the Northern contigent at the time of mergence. Hence their desire and want should be taken into consideration. That is allI stated sxb - I have no qualms with you neither any other secessionist, except to fulfill the required status.

Originally posted by AYOUB: How can creation of Puntland nullify Somaliland? Remember 5nta Soomaali? I see Somaliland equal to the other 4. I wish you could apply the same logic to 'how can the creation of S/land nullify the stetehood of Somalia'? And no, S/land was never the same as the other '3' cause it has already merged with 1 other than the 3 to form Somalia hence the retreat from this union requires the presence of all parties that signed and mutually contended. However untill at a time when such scenario emerges those who pacify their corner can continue with self-governance and declare anything under the sun though its validity will entirely depend on the others.

Allah uu naxaristo Xaaji Bashir - ehelediisana samir iyo iman Allah ka siiyo..amiin

Guys dont worry Mujahiid has a different meaning in the Somali vocab just like 'terrorist' has in the American English vocab.

It is an irony to think that a pious organisation such as ICU will have a link with S/land, a country that has on several occasions untill recently handed over Somali individuals to Ethiopia as 'terrorist' suspects. For the Islamist, S/land is in the same category as P/land and TFG - stooges to the Tigrean regime and utterly oppossed to Islamic rule in the region. The 'terrorist are present' card is used by Cadde in order to harnas support from the Ethiopian army and US marines not far from the area. But they both know it is a skirmish between their two most obedienbt servants just like the stand off in Bay - they watch and amuse themselves.

Originally posted by Sophist: SOL WAA IGA XARAAN Oo wayo, ma SOL aya ka qabsatey LA? CVome on Sophist sxb, am sure you battle ground is here and the one in the ground belongs to the brave boys - so dont surrender your side - yusan cadowga dhankada kaso gelin. But then again I can understand , you will be back soon, very soon indeed, cause LA will once again be liberated again . God only knows how much this town has to be liberated by both sides - guess it will be celebrating many a'indepence days' given the chance.

Originally posted by Dhubad: ^Ragaan Ceeb Makarto....waxaasa kasiidaran dadka wax ka sugaayo ayaka. Indeed

Originally posted by Caamir: Nairobi, Kenya - The United Nations has urged the self- declared republic of Somaliland and the autonomous region of Puntland UN urges both parties - I fail to notice where the warning is written. Stop the spin sxb, and if you will come up with supporting statements..

3da mas'uul ee ugu sarreysa dowladda oo looga yeeray magaalada Addis Ababa Mogadishu 17, Oct. 07 ( Sh.M.Network)- 3da Mas'uul ee ugu sareysa dowladda KMG ah ee Somalia, ayaa maanta looga yeeray dalka Ethiopia, xilli dood aad u kulul ay u dhaxeysay xildhibaanada Baarlamanka oo ku aadaneyd in kalsooni loo qaado xukuumadda Somalia iyo in ay sii shaqeyso, iyadoo u yeeriyaanka madaxda dowladda ay hakisay muddo labo maalmood ah in baarlamanka uu joojiyo doodda. Sida uu maanta ka dhawaajiyay guddoomiyaha Baarlamanka Sheekh Aadan Madoobe, Madaxda sar sare ee dowladda ayaa waxa ay xiriir ka heleen Madaxda Ethiopia iyo Midowga Africa, iyadoo go'aanka ugu horreeyana uu ku wajahnaa Ra'isulwasaare Geedi oo loogu baaqay in dalka Ethiopia uu ku yimaado socdaal. Sheekh Aadan madoobe oo ka hadlayay gabo gabadii kulan uu Baarlamanka ku yeeshay maanta magaalada Baydhabo ayaa waxa uu sheegay in arintaan ay ka dambeysay ka dib markii uu isi soo taray walaac beesha caalamka ay ka qabto xaaladda dalka Somalia, isago carabka ku dhuftey kala qeybsanaanta madaxda dowladda, xaaladda gobolka Sool iyo magaalada Muqdisho iyo gobolada Jubbooyinka oo ay ka taagan yihiin xiisado dagaal. Waxa uu sheegay in Baarlamanka Somalia ay dulqaataan muddo labo maalmood ah sababo la xiriira socdaalka Ra'isulwasaaraha maadaama labada qodob ee Baarlamanka horyaala ay quseeyaan xukuumadda Prof. Geedi. Inkastoo guddoomiyaha Baarlamanka uu sheegay in cidda magaalada Addisa ababa aadey ay tahay oo kaliya Ra'isulwasaaraha ayaa hadana warar laga helay magaalada Addis ababa ay sheegayaan in laga yaabo in socdaalka ay qeyb ka noqdaan madaxweynaha iyo guddoomiyaha Baarlamanka Sheekh Aadan Madoobe. Ra'isulwasaaraha Somalia ayaa ka duulay garoonka magaalada Baydhabo, isagoo ku sii jeeda magaalada Addis ababa ee dalka Ethiopia. Waa dadaalkii ugu horreeyay oo muuqda oo lagu doonayo in lagu dhex dhexaadiyo madaxweyne C/laahi Yuusuf iyo RW Cali Max'ed Geedi oo khilaaf xoogan uu soo kala dhex galay xilli dowladda ay u taagweysay in ay xakameyso xaaladda amaan ee caasimadda iyo guud ahaan dalka Somalia.

Reward..? You guys are bloody poor...am sure Cadde is more richer than you lot. Why dont you try something like patriotism that way you give a cause to the seccession of LA, but if you narrow it down to money you take the sting out of the whole thing mate.

No no Shekha, there is accountability in Darawiishta, and obviously this dude failed so he gets the sack....I piy his succesor though.

^^ Was he? What is he doing on the otherside of the fence now? Bloody traitor..

dp

Thgis guy on the right , Xabsade, wasn't he vice-president of Puntland at some time?

Originally posted by me: Priceless

NAIROBI (Reuters) - Somalia's president and prime minister are staring each other down in a political standoff that may end their lengthy feud but also set the Horn of Africa government adrift -- again. President Abdullahi Yusuf and his allies, including 22 ministers, are again trying to have Prime Minister Ali Mohamed Gedi thrown out via a no-confidence vote, tentatively set to happen on Tuesday or Wednesday, Somali officials said. But Gedi, who survived one attempted no-confidence vote last year, is busy lobbying legislators and has tried to enlist the help of his ****** clan -- who have long complained he is not their choice but who may back him against Yusuf's ***** clan. It is anyone's guess how the vote will go, with reports of money and favours changing hands rapidly, according to several Somali legislators and observers in Baidoa, the south-central trading post where parliament sits in a converted warehouse "It shows the emergence of an underlying split in the government that threatens its very existence, and that pretty much undermines the very basis of Western policy in Somalia," said Michael Weinstein, a professor of political science at Purdue University in Indiana. Western governments, along with regional powers, have pushed the transitional government forward as the best hope of creating a national authority in Somalia. Thirteen previous attempts have failed since dictator Mohamed Siad Barre's ousting in 1991. Gedi and Yusuf, who both ascended to power via Ethiopian manoeuvring, have long feuded. A truce since the last no-confidence vote in 2006 shattered earlier this year when they backed rival concerns looking for oil exploration rights. "Yusuf has said Gedi must go, legally or illegally. It's not a secret," said a Somali expert with close ties to the Gedi and Yusuf camps. Yusuf's side argues Gedi's term has expired under the transitional federal charter. Gedi insists he has the law and time behind him. But Yusuf's allies arrested the chief justice of the supreme court on corruption charges late last month, leaving no legal arbiter to interpret the constitutional question. "MANIPULATING US" Whether Gedi stays or goes, the vote likely means a delay in moving the interim government closer to its goal of building up institutions amid a persistent insurgency in Mogadishu, and growing conflict with breakaway Somaliland in the north. "What we want is people to start working in the right direction. The way things are, we consider it disastrous," said a Western diplomat on condition of anonymity. "They have to realise the international community is becoming more and more fed up, because we have the impression that they are manipulating us." Somalia experts and diplomats who follow it were split on what would happen in the parliament. "It's either he resigns or he comes up for an embarrassing loss at the no-confidence vote. It is in his best interest to go quietly," said one expert that tracks Somalia from Nairobi. A European diplomat said: "Don't forget that this has been tried before, they haven't succeeded before. It was never a done deal. This time around things look a bit different." Source: Reuters, Oct 15, 2007

Originally posted by Geel_Jire12: But will he and his supporters go down without a fight? That is the big question, and there is only one way to find out - though I doubt whether it is a pill that TFG can swallow. Rudy with such credentials you will be considered sxb, cause your prime tenet should be accepting the Axmaro as saviours and brethens.

Maanta waa 10ka October waxaana ka soo wareegatay sadax sano oo buuxda markii baarlamaanka Somalia ay madaxweyne u doorteen C/laahi yuusuf Axmad madaxweynaha hadda talada haya. Inkastoo dowladda KMG ah ay soo martay durruufo kala duwan gobolo dhawr ahina ku soo shaqeysay ayaa hadana waxa xilligan la oran karaa waa waqtigii ugu cakirnaanta badnaa siyaasadda intii ay jirtay dowladda KMG ah. Khilaaf weyn Waxa jira khilaaf xoogan oo dhinaca maamulka ah oo u dhaxeeya in muddo ah madaxweynaha iyo ra'isul wasaaraha,farqigaasi labada mas'uul ma jirto cid dibada keentay oo warbaahinta u caddeyasay. Walow ay dhawr jeer labadan mas'uul madaxweynaha iyo ra'isul wasaaraha ay muqdishu ku kulmeen ka dib soo bixidda qilaafkooda oo ay xitaa shalay baa ugu danbeysay ay Baydhaba si gaar ah isugu arkeen ayaa hadana marka aad si hoose u xooraansato in aad ay kala fog yihiin. Halkan Baydhabo waxa aad ka maqleysaa madaxweynaha baa maanta si gaar aha xildhibaanada beel heblaayo ugu yeertay ama ra'isul wasaaraha ayaa waxa uu kulan kula jiraa xildhibaanada reer hebel taasoo muujinaysa heerka adag ee hadda lakala joogo. Madaxweynaha ayaa la hadal hayaa inuu ku dhawaaqayo xilli aan fogeyn inuu kala diro xukuumadda isaga oo cuskanaya ama aaminsan qodobo ku qoran axdiga federaalka KMG ah qodobadaas oo ay aad ugu kala fasiraad duwan yihiin dhinaca kale ee ka soo horjeeda ee ra'isul wasaaraha. Qodobada la isku hayo Hadii aan isku dayo inaan wax ka iftiimiyo qodobada ay adag tahay in la isku maro, Madaxweynuhu waxa uu qabaa in dastuurka federaalka muddadii labada sano iyo barka aheyd in xukuumadda ay ku dhameyso in aay idlaatay oo ay ku eg tahay bishan Oktoobar 12keeda ,sidaa awgeedna maadaama aaaney xukuumadu meel marin dastuurka federaalka in ay tahay in hadda xukuumadu ay codka kalsoonida soo weydiisato baarlamaanka isaga oo madaxweynaha xlligan ku niyadsan in Cali Geedi aanu heli karin codka looga baahan yahay ee 139 cod. Ra'iisul wasaaruhu waxa uu qabaa in bilaabashada xilliga dastuurka federaaalka ay tahay markii baarlamaanku ansixiyay oo uu madaxweynuhu saxiixay taasoo aheyd 2006dii markii baarlamaanka ay dib ugu midoobeen mgaalada Baydhaba sidaa darteedna uu waqtigiisu dhiman yahay oo aaney jirin baarlamaan uu codka kalsoonida waydiisanayo. Doorka maxkamada sare Yusuf Cali Haaruun gudoomiyihii maxkamada sare Marka is marin waaga sidan oo kala ah uu yimaado waxa arinta kala goyn lahaa Maxkamadda sare iyol garsoorka laakiin gudoomiyihii maxkamadda sare weli xabsiga ayuu ku jiraa iyada oo xarigiisuna uu qeyb ka yahay muranka siyaasadeed ee jira,mana cadda cidda howsha garsoorka sii wadeysa kol hadaan weli la magacaabin guddoomiye kale hadiiba ay dhacdo in loo baahdo maxkamadda sare. Marka khilaaf sidan oo kale ah uu jiro waxa gacan ka geysan jiray madax iyo saraakiil Ethiopian ah oo militeri ahaan iyo siyaasad ahaanba taageera dowladda KMG ah laakiin hadda ma jira dadaal muuqda oo ay wadaan. Si kastaba ha ahaatee magaalada Baydhaba oo hadda ay ku soo urureen xubnaha baarlamaanka Soomaaliya ayaa la arki doonaa isbedelka siyaasadeed ee ka dhaca maalmaha fooda innagu soo haya.

Originally posted by -: To replaced by who exactly. And wasn't he Zenawi's main man? I dont know sxb, but it does not look rosy for the TFG.

All sign indincates that Geedi is going....the odds have changed against him to 1/6.

By Daud Aweis BBC News, Nairobi Friday, October 12, 2007 As if Somalis do not have enough battles to contend with, their two leading politicians, President Abdullahi Yusuf and Prime Minister Ali Mohammed Ghedi, have fallen out. And as parliament marshals to take stock of the achievements of the two men since they took office three years ago, it looks likely that one will get their marching orders. The formation of the interim government had been a time of hope; President Yusuf declared himself a man of peace. Yet violence once again reigns in the capital, Mogadishu, following the December ousting of Islamists, who had ruled most of Somalia for six months last year, by Ethiopian-backed government troops. Insurgent attacks proliferate against Ethiopian and government targets. Even the presence of African Union peacekeepers is failing to reassure the city's residents, who continue to flee in their thousands. The United Nations says in September alone 24,000 people left. In the same month some 300 people were admitted to hospital with serious gunshot wounds. Donor fatigue Neither Mr Yusuf nor Mr Ghedi has been spared the onslaught. On a number of occasions Villa Somali, the president's residence has come under attack, as has the hotel hosting the prime minister. Some argue that the current leaders are hardly better than the warlords whose feuds fed the city's violent disorder over the past 16 years. Although the transitional government has the support of the UN and Western governments like the US, it has failed to win popular support on the ground. There is also a growing fatigue, some foreign diplomats say, about picking up the tab for Somalia, in terms of government expenses, with no tangible returns. Hence the clamouring call for a change of guard - and Mr Ghedi looks most likely for the chop. He is seen as a political novice, installed as prime minister by the president with Ethiopian backing, who is now a stumbling block to progress. While analysts complain that the cabinet it is made up of sycophants with little commitment to effect real change. Fall guy There has also been disappointment on the reconciliation front: the opposition - an alliance now based in Eritrea, which includes moderates of the Union of Islamic Courts - boycotted a much-touted reconciliation conference. Instead the event turned into a cosy gathering of government supporters. Without the opposition on board, analysts say there can be little chance for future stability. Not prepared to be the fall guy, the president has garnered the support of more than 20 ministers and a large number of the 275 MPs who are calling for a parliamentary vote of no confidence in Mr Ghedi's administration. The prime minister is not taking this lying down and has forged an alliance with the ******, a power clan which has been supporting the insurgency and long controlled Mogadishu where Mr Yusuf has always been unpopular. The country is braced for a political duel. But should Mr Ghedi get the boot, it may not be to the president's gain as it will renew his rivalry with the ****** who want him and his Ethiopian allies out of Mogadishu. Mr Yusuf, under pressure from donors, also needs another favour from parliament: he must convince MPs to change the Somali Transitional Charter to co-opt non-politicians into cabinet. Given that most Somali technocrats have aligned themselves with the opposition, this means this too could compromise what grip Abdullahi Yusuf still has on the reins of Somali politics. Source: BBC, Oct 12, 2007

Geeddi Raiisal Wasaaraha Soomaaliya, Cali Maxamed Geeddi, waxaa uu maalmahanba ku mashquulsanaa, sidii uu uga badbaadi lahaa in dowladdiisa la rido. Madaxweyne, Cabdullaahi Yusuf, ayaa in muddo ahba la hadal hayay in uu doonayo in uu xilka ka qaado Cali Maxamed Geeddi. Laakiin waxay su'aal weyni ka taagan tahay in uu baarlamaanka uga heli karo taageero ku filan. Labada mas'uul midkoodna ma soo qaadin khilaafka labadooda u dhexeeya. Laakiin hadalka sarbeebta ah ee Raiisal Wasaaraha ka sokow, waxaa laga daalacan karaa khilaafka Madaxda dowladda oo si aan qarsoodi ahayn uga hadlaya, laakiin aan dooneyn in ay idaacadaha kaga hadlaan. Si kastaba ha ahaatee, waxay u muuqataa in labada mas'uul uu mid waliba isku dayayo in uu midka kale ku riixo in uu taageero 139 xubnood ah kala yimaado baarlamaanka. "Qab-islaweyni, qaabileysi, iyo ana irri horey ayan uso aragney hadana yeli meyno" Geedi Part of Geedi's speech This is getting marvelously brilliant and it hasn't started yet -the begining of the end ofthe TFG

He was put to this and I quote The International Community doesnt have enough confidence in your government (TFG) - your government which was put together in exile and then sent in . And he failed to respond to that element of truth. Seed at best was a buffon and at worst had no idea what he was doing there. The positive side of the video clip is making the International community aware what is going on in Xamar through a camera commissioned by an international news portal.

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: Walle ada ubahan adkeysiga ee hadow ha la imaan calacal! Wa ciddi calacal lagu yaqaan labadeena..