Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: SOMALILAND This is the only peaceful place in the horn of Africa. Somaliland currently maintains good relationship with Ethiopia along the border between the two countries. Somaliland also maintains a good security relationship at the border with Djibouti although the two countries do not agree in the political arena. The only problem that Somaliland has is in the eastern part of the country where there has been clashed with Somalia. In the recent months, that dispute has decreased and the tension is going down. By Jacaylbaro

Originally posted by Kashafa: quote: Those who want to continue with roadside bombs and suicide bombing regardless of the innocent victis of their acts and its retaliation should and will be condemned jointly You have been condeming for the past 18 months. What have you achieved ? Jack J. Shit. The Resistance has never been stronger than today. And your TFG has never been weaker. Marka, by all means, condemn away. Spite and bitterness meesha ay ku gaarseeso aan aragno. Saxiib the difference amid you and I is 'danqansho' while you want to egg on the senseless brutal clashing whose victims are neither you and I but the millions who fled to the outskirts and the hundreds who perished (Allah uu wada naxaristo..amiin) or are either severally wounded from rockets fired, artillery shells, land mines or even orchestrated assassination - I want all this to come to an end. Yes the Peace pact is fragile and there is a question whether the representatives of the Alliance can guarantee total cease fire but it calls for hope and warrants support. What is your main argument -Ethiopian troops - ok they will be withdrawn - you question the legitimacy of the TFG - ok there will be power sharing in which it is possible to restructure the whole of the TFG. We will continue to fight the occupation is no longer valid sxb - the only conclusion for you to oppose this peace deal can only be termed as having personal or group interest absent from the deal. Obviously any form of agreement will not satisfy wholly those that it concerns - nevertheless if it aims for the ideal situation then it will Insha Allah gradually harness the support it needs - as for you cyber warriors when you experience the side effects of indiscrimanate shelling and land mines is when you will probably understand the essence of this agreement.

Originally posted by Dhashiike: b. Within a period of 120 days of the signing of this agreement the TFG will act in accordance with the decision that has already been taken by the Ethiopian Government to withdraw its troops from Somalia after the deployment of a sufficient number of UN Forces Which part dont you understand there is a time limit "Within a period of 120 days after signing of the agreement" - I assume the agreement was signed today. Now the onus is on the UN to deploy replacement and sufficient troops. c. The ARS shall, through a solemn public statement, cease and condemn all acts of armed violence in Somalia and dissociate itself from any armed groups or individuals that do not adhere to the terms of this Agreement. Those who want to continue with roadside bombs and suicide bombing regardless of the innocent victis of their acts and its retaliation should and will be condemned jointly. Sxb this is not a sell out - this is not giving in but rather the opposite : The Ethiopians will be withdrawn - power sharing will be discussed and the whole of the government will be restrutured and above all peace will be brought to all Somalis. Initially it will bring people back to their houses in Mogadishu and Insha Allah it will mean more. The only victory war can bring is means to end and Sheikh Sharif is doing that exactly today May Allah SWT guide him and lead him towards the right path. he did not sell his principles neither his integrity and today he is removed one obstacle the timing of the Ethiopian withdrawal. So stop barking up the wrong tree and try to understand the genuity of the Man and the importance of his achievement.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^This is getting interesting. Abdiqasin was a minister when the children were butcered in Jazeera beach. There was no armed struggle in the capital those days. Abdiqasin was a minister when the Shiekhs were rounded up and executed. And he was the superior commander and leader of. IndaCade, Goobanle, Seeraar, cirfo. All warlords who ruled, Marka, Kismayu & Afgooye. Thus if any of these are untrue, please clarify. He is no warlord but was the boss of warlords notably Indacade?? :eek: Alla maxaa la is yelyela oo bus la isku qarina. A/qasim was not a president when innocent children were butchered and bombarded by Ethiopian shells in Mogadishu. He was not a president and condoned the brutal murder of Tabliiq Sheikhs in a Mosque in Mogadishu. He was not a president when the likes of Darwish, Tajir, Gacmadhere et al were committing unprecedented human atrocities and right abuses in Mogadishu in colaboration with the Tigre invaders.An incidented reported by World Media. The list goes on - any form of regime be it military or even warlordism was a haven in comparisson to the present dispicable condition. Please dont insult the human intelligence and compare Yeey's inhumane regime to any other. The ugly saga of your adeero will be forever mentioned in Somali history and will forever remain mark on him and his supporters. Daba-dhilif and cado-qate has never had an accurate meaning before this time.

In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent and the most Merciful AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TRANSITIONAL FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF SOMALIA (TFG) And THE ALLIANCE FOR THE RE-LIBERATION OF SOMALIA (ARS) 1. The Transitional Federal Government (TFG) of Somalia and the Alliance for Re-liberation of Somalia (ARS) attending a meeting from 31 May to 9 June 2008 in Djibouti, facilitated by the UN. They are hereafter referred to as "the Parties". 2. The Parties gave their respective analyses of the 18 year old crisis and made proposals aimed at restoring trust, confidence and at ending the conflict. Their discussion led to the present Agreement. 3. The primary requirement of this Agreement is to: ensure the cessation of all armed confrontation and a political settlement for a durable peace; promote a peaceful environment; avoid a security vacuum; facilitate the protection of the population and the unhindered delivery of humanitarian assistance and call for the convening of a reconstruction and development conference. 4. The Parties noted that: a. Over the past eighteen years, Somalia has suffered massive human losses, insecurity and vast destruction of its physical infrastructure and other vital public investments. A whole generation of young people and adults has been sacrificed or denied education and development; b. The human and humanitarian situation is continuously deteriorating. At the same time, the country’s international image and standing have been seriously undermined; c. This tragic situation, and the fact that eighteen years of war and conflict have brought neither durable peace nor stability and inspired by patriotic and religious examples of compromise. 5. Decided to: a. Reaffirm the dignity, sovereignty and the territorial integrity of Somalia; b. Take courageous measures to finally bring this situation to an end and resolve the crisis through peaceful means. 6. Agreed on: a. The termination of all acts of armed confrontation by the Alliance for the Re-liberation of Somalia (ARS) and its allies and by the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) and its allies; b. The cessation of armed confrontation shall come into force thirty (30) days from the signing of this agreement throughout the national territory; c. The cessation of armed confrontation is approved for an initial period of ninety (90) days, renewable. 7. The Parties agreed from the date of coming into effect of this Agreement: a. To request the United Nations, consistent with UN Security Council Resolution 1814 and within a period of one hundred and twenty (120) days, to authorize and deploy an international stabilization force from countries that are friends of Somalia excluding neighboring states; b. Within a period of 120 days of the signing of this agreement the TFG will act in accordance with the decision that has already been taken by the Ethiopian Government to withdraw its troops from Somalia after the deployment of a sufficient number of UN Forces; c. The ARS shall, through a solemn public statement, cease and condemn all acts of armed violence in Somalia and dissociate itself from any armed groups or individuals that do not adhere to the terms of this Agreement. 8. To ensure the effective implementation of this Agreement, the Parties agree to: a. Undertake all necessary measures to ensure unhindered humanitarian access and assistance to affected populations; b. Refrain from declarations and actions inconsistent with the peaceful spirit of this Agreement; c. Establish a Joint Security Committee to follow up the implementation of security arrangements within fifteen (15) days of the signing of this Agreement. The composition and mandate of this Committee, chaired by the UN, shall be adopted within the same period. 9. A High Level Committee, chaired by the UN, should be established within fifteen (15) days of the signing of this Agreement to follow up on issues relating to the political cooperation between the Parties and concerns over justice and reconciliation. These issues will be discussed at a conference to be organized by 30 July 2008. 10. The Parties will work with all other relevant Somali stakeholders to ensure the full and effective implementation of this agreement. 11. The Parties call on the international community to help provide the adequate resources for the implementation and follow-up of this Agreement. The Parties also consider it a priority to convene within the next six (6) months an international conference aimed at addressing Somalia’s Reconstruction and Development. Djibouti 9 June 2008 Transitional Federal Government Alliance for Re-Liberation of Somalia United Nations Observer States: Observer Groups: France African Union United Kingdom League of Arab States United States Organization of Islamic Conference Kingdom of Saudi Arabia European Union Djibouti

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Insecure as usual ^Inaccurate as usual Who requested the withdrawal of the Ethiopian troops? > The Alliance. What is the core of the pact - the withdrawal of the Ethiopian troops. Circle this and work on it - and please refrain from tarnishing what could turn out to be a remarkable agreement by displaying it as a triumph for a defunct TFG. Amus afkada xiro and watch how people with integrity work.

Originally posted by General Duke: Who decides how many troops are needed? The government of course. Saxiib suug heshiiska ha naga nacaladeyn.

Shirkii Jabuuti oo lagu heshiisy Wararka naga soo gaaraya magaalada Jabuuti ayaa sheegaya in ay heshiis wada gaaraan dhinacyada Soomaalida ee maalmahan shirku uga socday magaalada Jabuuti. Warbixin uu sii daayey Ra'iisul Wasaare ku-xigeenka islmarkaasna ah Wasiirka Warfaafinta Mr. Axmed Cabdisalaan Aden ayaa sheegay in lagu heshiiyey qodobo ay ka mid yihiin: a) In xabadda la joojiyo b) In Ciidamada Itoobiya ay Soomaaliya kaga baxaan muddo afar bilood ah c) In si wadajir ah looga wada shaqeeyo nabadeynta waddanka Soomaaliya Qodobadaas oo dhameystiran waxaan idiinku soo gudbindoonaa halkaan Hiiraan Online

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^How do you know the letter is authentic yaa Juje? I just know

Breakthrough In Djibouti...according info through phone both parties and the International Community have signed a pact which will enforce the withdrawal of Ethiopian troops from Somali soil within four months - and during that time to bring in UN troops to replace them....hence further peace talks can now commence.... details to follow soon In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent and the most Merciful AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TRANSITIONAL FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF SOMALIA (TFG) And THE ALLIANCE FOR THE RE-LIBERATION OF SOMALIA (ARS) 1. The Transitional Federal Government (TFG) of Somalia and the Alliance for Re-liberation of Somalia (ARS) attending a meeting from 31 May to 9 June 2008 in Djibouti, facilitated by the UN. They are hereafter referred to as "the Parties". 2. The Parties gave their respective analyses of the 18 year old crisis and made proposals aimed at restoring trust, confidence and at ending the conflict. Their discussion led to the present Agreement. 3. The primary requirement of this Agreement is to: ensure the cessation of all armed confrontation and a political settlement for a durable peace; promote a peaceful environment; avoid a security vacuum; facilitate the protection of the population and the unhindered delivery of humanitarian assistance and call for the convening of a reconstruction and development conference. 4. The Parties noted that: a. Over the past eighteen years, Somalia has suffered massive human losses, insecurity and vast destruction of its physical infrastructure and other vital public investments. A whole generation of young people and adults has been sacrificed or denied education and development; b. The human and humanitarian situation is continuously deteriorating. At the same time, the country’s international image and standing have been seriously undermined; c. This tragic situation, and the fact that eighteen years of war and conflict have brought neither durable peace nor stability and inspired by patriotic and religious examples of compromise. 5. Decided to: a. Reaffirm the dignity, sovereignty and the territorial integrity of Somalia; b. Take courageous measures to finally bring this situation to an end and resolve the crisis through peaceful means. 6. Agreed on: a. The termination of all acts of armed confrontation by the Alliance for the Re-liberation of Somalia (ARS) and its allies and by the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) and its allies; b. The cessation of armed confrontation shall come into force thirty (30) days from the signing of this agreement throughout the national territory; c. The cessation of armed confrontation is approved for an initial period of ninety (90) days, renewable. 7. The Parties agreed from the date of coming into effect of this Agreement: a. To request the United Nations, consistent with UN Security Council Resolution 1814 and within a period of one hundred and twenty (120) days, to authorize and deploy an international stabilization force from countries that are friends of Somalia excluding neighboring states; b. Within a period of 120 days of the signing of this agreement the TFG will act in accordance with the decision that has already been taken by the Ethiopian Government to withdraw its troops from Somalia after the deployment of a sufficient number of UN Forces; c. The ARS shall, through a solemn public statement, cease and condemn all acts of armed violence in Somalia and dissociate itself from any armed groups or individuals that do not adhere to the terms of this Agreement. 8. To ensure the effective implementation of this Agreement, the Parties agree to: a. Undertake all necessary measures to ensure unhindered humanitarian access and assistance to affected populations; b. Refrain from declarations and actions inconsistent with the peaceful spirit of this Agreement; c. Establish a Joint Security Committee to follow up the implementation of security arrangements within fifteen (15) days of the signing of this Agreement. The composition and mandate of this Committee, chaired by the UN, shall be adopted within the same period. 9. A High Level Committee, chaired by the UN, should be established within fifteen (15) days of the signing of this Agreement to follow up on issues relating to the political cooperation between the Parties and concerns over justice and reconciliation. These issues will be discussed at a conference to be organized by 30 July 2008. 10. The Parties will work with all other relevant Somali stakeholders to ensure the full and effective implementation of this agreement. 11. The Parties call on the international community to help provide the adequate resources for the implementation and follow-up of this Agreement. The Parties also consider it a priority to convene within the next six (6) months an international conference aimed at addressing Somalia’s Reconstruction and Development. Djibouti 9 June 2008 Transitional Federal Government Alliance for Re-Liberation of Somalia United Nations Observer States: Observer Groups: France African Union United Kingdom League of Arab States United States Organization of Islamic Conference Kingdom of Saudi Arabia European Union Djibouti

MMA the letter is authentic sxb - it is only that the author thought it will never make it to the public domain, how ****** of him to trust his TFG counterpart and question whether he merits the title he was accorded.

Originally posted by General Duke: Saxib no body is talking, the facts are clear this was a seminar and not a negotiation session. Hence why is it important if one party leaves or stays, after all, as you state, it is only a seminar and not a negotiation.

The Isbaheysiga under the leadership of Sheikh Sharif have the integrity to leave or remain and make their presence felt - cause of their conviction and aim. What has the TFG to offer other than condone the presence of an Ethiopian official in every meeting?

Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: Next, they will say Sheek Meles .... I thought you named a Masjid after him in Hargeysa?

Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: Faan weynaa ,,, bring it on old boy Maka taqaan nin wax iska celiin kara...

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tolka: Sheekh Cusmaan Caato It Rhymes well doesn't it?

Originally posted by Emperor: ^Sxb instead of dwelling on the clan issue must you know that Ato is weak, toothless, insignificant and now serves as MP member for the TFG.... You must understand the game of politics, no one wishes for any one man's death, unlike you guyz we have never wished for any of the our opponents death, neither boosted when their daughters rapped, or celebrated when thier family houses bombed or even dared to insult their dead... What we all long wished for is to reduce these druglords power to nothing and not thier death, to pull off the teath and nails off the likes of Ato, Qasim, Qaynare and all the looters inc. leaving them running around insignificantly like a headless chicken, that much has happened... Now it's Alshabaabs time, the focus is on this group they are more poweful opponent than fool Ato, we all aired our views based on them and not the fool, all we aimed to do in this discourse is to discredit and show their true wicked colors... as much as we like to critize his release and use it as a political tool to damage Alshabaab's credibility deep even more down we are happy he's safely released, if they hadn't released him or even killed trust me we would have been the first to critize and vowed to avenge for him as a Somali MP... its all politics nothing to do with Ato in person... Ato, Qanayre iyo Musa who? waa kadhamaatay ragaas cid dan kaleh majirto, they are the past, marka raggaas kuma sii daadsanayno ha iska baashaalan/nooladaan... And you called mine a clannish view - what a hypocrite buffoon you are. Ato, Qanyare, Muse subosto lagu so gelshe miya wakan adiga ku washe. Sxb they beat the nuts out of you in their days - and yes they are vicious warlords - but no where in their history will they be labeled as traitors who brought into Somalia the Ethiopian invassion .What they did in their days is nothing compared to what your masters Ethiopians are doing today and you clapping on the sideline for them. Do you realise the best thing Yeey has acheived for you over the last two years is 'sharaf-xumo and ceeb'. Wale falari gilgilato kaga ma harto waxba Caato & co. haku lalabaan - dhiiqo toodi ka xun ayad gacanta kula jirta mantey, mesha aad iskaga dhaqi laheyd aa laga raba. Wakas Caato wadadadi aya iska sosidayay kadib marki ay dembi ku wayeen, bal adeerka ha qabtan - waxan marqati ka ahay in har caad ay duban lahayeen.

Originally posted by Emperor: ^Aha ha what a clanist view... Come back bal adeer, make yourself clear... you out of all people ......I don't believe it...!

I think the furor expressed by many in here is not actually lack of principle of Al-Shabab but rather why did they not kill Catto. Certainly that has a lil drop of animosity influence. None of you held the believe that Al-Shabab were truly and wholly a pious and righteous organization.But you just wanted for this one time them to be what they claimed and tear the guts out of the old man. Am sorry they let you down... But if it is any substitute to your dismay , rest assured it was not Al-Shabab of Abu Mansoor or anyone else who captured Catto.

Originally posted by Libaax-Sankataabte: But then who knows the true identity of the captors. They could have been a different anti-TFG group. Saxiib for whatever it is worth, in your terms, it was not Al-Shabaab that held him captive and then released.

Originally posted by General Duke: so spare us your bad breath, oops good breath. Wallahi waxan ka marag ahay in aan xabad xishood ah lagugu arag.

Ciidamada Maxkamadaha Islaamka ee Soomaaliya oo Caawa Siidaayay Xildhibaan Cusmaan Caato. Muqdisho.30.May.2008.(Sh.M.Network)-Ciidamo ka Tirsan Maxkamadaha Islaamka oo galabta gacanta u galay Xildhibaan Cusmaan Caato oo ka mid ah Mudanayaasha Baarlamaanka DFKM xili uu mararayay inta u dhaxeysa Leego iyo Yaaq bari weyne oo mudo Saacdo ay heysteen Xildhibaanka ayaa caawa ay siidaayeen. Xildhibaan Cusmaan Caato oo Markii la siidaayay Shabelle ay la xiriirtay ayaa waxa uu sheegay in Xaaladiisa ay wanaagsantahay islamarkaana uu ka gaabsaday in uu faah faahin ka bixiyo qaabkii loola dhaqmeen mudadii uu gacanta ugu jiray Ciidamada Maxkamadaha islaamka. Galabta ayaa Ciidamo ka tirsan Maxkamadaha islaamka waxa ay qabteen Xildhibaan Cusmaan Caato xili uu mkarayey wadada isku xirta leego iyo Yaaq bari Weyne islamarkaana aan la garan halka ay la’aadeen waloo markii danbe ay siidaayeen Ciidamadii qabsaday. Waa markii ugu horeysay oo Mas’uul ka tirsan baarlamaanka DFKM gacanta u galo xoogaga ka soo horjeeda DowladaTan iyo markii Dowlada ay soo Caga dhigatay gudaha dalka Somaliya

Originally posted by HornAfrique: p.s. Dee hadalkeyga xumaan hau qaadin, waad ogtahay inaan xumaan ka wadin. Horta Asalama Caleykum HA - salaan kadiib hadalkada waa xuman aan geed lagu so gamban. Hadu rayiigada wax iska bedelayo xudunteyda waxay ku dugan tahey Xamar Jajab. But that is beside the point. I dont Zakariya , as for Qaliib I dont doubt his Xamarawism and anyone who grew up within the vicinity of Shinemo Nasser will know him.When Zakariya on one side campaigns for funds to extend the education facilities in Dhumoodle and on other hand preaches for the fight to continue in Xamar I smell a great big hypocrisy if not a calculated cunning in here. Yes you are right - Xamar ciid walba ayey ka dhaxeysa lakiin hada ciid walba lagu gumadimayo - therefore when Sheikh Sharif and Odayasha Beelaha are in Djibouti in seek of means to bring an end to this massacre those who shout by the sidelines have a different Agenda.

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tolka: This is no mean feat. It is not Alshabab and Indhacadde who are speaking out now. Renown Somali nationalists like Jama Mohamed Qaalib (the deputy chairman of the ARS) and Zakaria Mohamed Haji Abdi are supporting the indefatigable Sheikh Hassen. Xaqu wuu dilaacaa!!! Indeed xaqu wu dilaaci - but tell me something - Zakariya is from Dhumoodle and Ethiopians are stationed - and Qaliib is from Hargeysa, where are today celebrating the anniversary of their revolution. So tell me who is more concerned with the dying and destitute people in Xamar Sheikh Sharif or these two. Hassan Dahir Aweys has a genuine case to argue but his contradictory will be pointless if Sheikh Sharif manages to bring about a peaceful change in this corner of Somalia, and succeds in his negotiation for the withdrawaql of Ethiopian troops and their replacement by UN troops. That is the bottom line if Sharif wins in his negotiations and attains the sovereignty and dignity of the Somali people he is and will be the undisputed leader of the Isbaheysiga.