Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: And they believe the countdown haven't started yet ,,,, Has it started in your hood yet? That aside I dont really think holding out a 'timer' for the Ethiopian occupation will make sure we see the end of their tail in anytime soon. There are many reason contributing to their presence same as the reason that led to their invassion - and if one side of the Somali are up in arms for their immidiate withdrawal and curse their invassion there is the other side of Somali who eggs for the utter opposite. Hence for all you guys with the stopwatch the problems are on your foot, or backdoor or where everelse you would rather have it - pause your stopwatch and innitiate an element or an enviroment where the reason and calls for their evacuation is strong and logic in substance. The notion am righteous and all the others are infedils brought us to this point -and no one is buying it anymore, even those in arms together under this banner innitially are in a fracas among themselves at this time and day in Bakara market.

Originally posted by dhulQarnayn: I, dhulQarnayn, DO CONFIRM that Juje's hogwash about the TFG (including its parliament) being recalled to Nairobi IS a bag full of [ho(cus-pocus) + (bun)kum] , ergo hocum ! Now compare this to what you quoted from Carmoyin.com......meel lagu raaco yeelo.

Xildhibaannada Baarlamaanka Soomaaliya oo soo dhaweeyay Shirka Dowladda loogu qabanayo Jimco, October 03, 2008(HOL): Xildhibaano ka tirsan Baarlamaanka Soomaaliya ayaa waxay soo dhaweeyeen dadaallo ay wadaan Urur Goboleedka IGAD iyo Beesha Caalamka, kaasi oo wax looga qabanayo xaaladaha Siyaaso-Ammaan ee dalka Soomaaliya. Xildhibaan Cali C/llaahi Cosoble oo ka mid ah mudanayaasha Baalamaanka Soomaaliya ayaa sheegay in dadaalka uu wado urur goboleedka IGAD uu yahay mid mudan in la soo dhaweeyo, wuxuuna caddeeyay in dadaalladaas ay wax ka weyn ka bedeli doonaan xaaladda uu ku sugan yahay dalka Soomaaliya. Xildhibaanka oo u waramayay Idaacadda Horn Afrik ee Magaalada Muqdisho waxa uu sheegay in shir uu Urur Goboleedka IGAD Nairobi ugu qabanayo Xubnaha Dowladda Federaalka Soomaaliya uu ku soo beegmayo iyadoo ay dalka Soomaaliya ka jiraan qalalaase siyaasadeed iyo mid ammaan. “Waan soo dhaweyneynaa shirkaas, waxaana is-leenahay wuxuu ku soo hagaagay waqtigii loo baahnaa waayo dalka Soomaaliya hataan wuxuu ku jiraa dhibaato baaxad leh, waqtigii dowladda federaalkana waa uu sii dhamaanayaa”ayuu yiri Xildhibaan Cali C/llaahi Cosoble. Sida lagu sheegay war-murtiyeed ay soo saareen Wasiirradda Arrimaha Dibadda Dalalka ku bahoobay Urur Goboleedka IGAD oo dhawaan ku shiray Safaaradda Itoobiya ee Dalka Mareykanka waxaa shirka loo qabanayo Madaxda iyo Xubnaha Hay’adaha Dastuuriga ah ee Dowladda Federaalka uu ku saabsan sidii xal loogu heli lahaa mushkiladda ka taagan Soomaaliya, gaar ahaan arrimaha nabadgelyada iyo siyaasadda. Waxaa jira warar sheegaya in shirka Nairobi loogu qabanayo Dowladda Federaalka uu ku saabsan yahay sidii madaxda iyo xubnaha Baarlamaanka Soomaaliya looga dhaadhicin lahaa in la qabto shirweyne lagu soo dhisayo Dowlad ay ka wada qeybgalaan Dowladda Federaalka iyo Mucaaradka ka soo horjeeda. Salaad Iidow Xasan (Xiis). Hiiraan Online sxiis@hiiraan.com Mogadishu, Somalia Source

Originally posted by dhulQarnayn: Safarkii madaxda qaranku ay todobaadka dambe ugu amba bixi lahaayeen dalka Kenya oo dib u dhacay muddo todobaadyo ah. Ya ila qosla...! Read your quote again and see whether it condones my report or not - it does not negate that it would be held but rather confirms it and states that it woould be delayed. Get your facts right next time sxb. And the name is Juje - please resent from insults I dont want to go down that road with you.

Originally posted by dhulQarnayn: I suggest, ilaahay inta ka cabsatid, you stop supporting deviancy I think since you mention to fear Allah SWT - I suggest you instill yourself in that and deter from supporting and advocating for the man who has sold his religion and country to the enemy cause of lack of integrity and the desire to create a manipulative tribalist hegemony.

Originally posted by dhulQarnayn: ^^Ofcourse I am brave...I face off with my opponents, eye ball to eye ball, instead of hiding bombs amongst innocent women and children. dhulQarnayn :cool: Republic Of California Sheekoy ku nacey ...horta have ever seen how a bomb looks like?

^^ Good DQ....you are indeed brave.

Originally posted by dhulQarnayn: ^^^Ninyahow, hadal baa meesha ku haysaa, ee orod oo cirka soo leef saaxiib. Yuusuf Garaad is a undistingished second-rate bbc reporter who doesn't know much about anything, just like the shabab deviants he spreads his propaganda for. Juje, sir, it's too bad you missed the point of my post. So why don't you go back to bashing El Presidente Cabdullahi Yuusuf by making up other fictitous stories aad naf rabtid inaad ka dhigatid. Am sure, you will not convert anyone with such abject hokum. dhulQarnayn :cool: Republic Of California Chicken...! But I will still hold you to it.

Hold on a minute. It is common of shameless view in SOL who say one thing today and another tomorrow yet deny what they said yesterday. So I hope you are not one of them. Hence am quoting exactly what you said: Originally posted by dhulQarnayn: Saaxiib propagaandada raqiiska ah oo uu Yuusuf Garaad kasii daayey BBC-da isagoo ku bakhti afuufaya munaafiqiinta Al-Shabab, waa war aan sal iyo raad laheen oo uu ku hadaaqay,"TFG-ga oo dhan baa Nairobi looga yeeray"...taasna markii aan u dhabagalay waxaan ogaaday inay waxaas waxba eysan kajirin oo BEEN la dhadhoobay ahayd. can you please confirm to say that you have 'confirmed' through your reliable sources other than Yusuf-Garad that the planned conference in NBI is non-existant so that when it occurs next week or even after you would be able to retract your misleading remark and actually if applicable you will apologise and then write 200 lines of Yusuf Garad is always right .

Originally posted by Supremacist: What about kismaayo? and many other clashes that had nothing to do with ethiopians or the TFG in the south for the past 17 years, with no actual resolutions every reached? How about this chief: Strange of you to choose one major city that can be proved or taken as an example where TFG and its guardians have nothing to do with and is yet the stark opposite of the misery and apathy of places under the domionship of TFG. Kismayo is peaceful and it is a Somali solution for Somali people. Yes it has its bad sides but it is only the begining and will eventually stabilise as it has done so far. Anything else chief?

Asha Hagi (Somalia) (2008) "...for continuing to lead at great personal risk the female participation in the peace and reconciliation process in her war-ravaged country." Asha Hagi has dedicated her life to gaining a better and more peaceful future for her war-torn country, Somalia. At great personal risk, she has fought for women to have a voice in the decisions that affect them. She has mobilized women in the cause of peace across clan and political divides and continues to play a vital role in mediating across warring clans in the on-going peace process. Women in Somalia are in a much stronger position today because of her courage, persistence and compassion. Career and the SSWC Born in 1962, Asha Hagi graduated in economics from Somalia National University and holds a Master's degree in business administration from the US International University in Africa. Asha Hagi co-founded in 1992, and is the current Chair of, Save Somali Women and Children (SSWC), which works for a safe and sustainable Somalia by supporting women to overcome marginalisation, violence and poverty in their communities. SSWC has seven paid staff and nine volunteers. A large part of the humanitarian funding comes directly from the Somali community around the world as well as from international organisations and individual donors. Representing the women of Somalia During the Arta peace talks in 2000, Hagi founded, together with other women, the Sixth Clan, the clan of women, to complement the traditional five Somali Clans which are all male-dominated. This became the first time women were represented in a peace process in Somalia. She played a similar role in the Mbagathi Conference in Nairobi (2002-2004), which gave birth to the Transitional Federal Government and the Transitional Federal Parliament, of which Hagi became a member. In both cases the participation of women in these conferences played a crucial role in their success: Not only did the women represent a broader interest of the Somali citizens, compared to the often very narrow political positions of the men. They were also able to do 'shuttle diplomacy' between the antagonistic factions of the traditional five clans. Among the women's achievements through the idea of the Sixth Clan are: * taking women to the high negotiation table with their own identity (Sixth Clan) and as equal partners in decision making, * a 12% quota for women representation in the Transitional Federal Parliament, * introduction of fair gender formatting (he / she) in the charter language, * the creation of a Ministry for Gender and Family Affairs, and * a decree by the Prime Minister of the Transitional Federal Government of Somalia ensuring a 30% quota for women in the district and regional councils, in national commissions, local committees and conferences. The recent development in Somalia and Hagi's role in the peace process Late in 2006, events in Somalia took a dramatic turn for the worse. There were two factions in the Transitional Federal Government, which had contrary views relating to peace dialogue or military action involving the Ethiopians. In November 2006, while a group, including Hagi, favouring the former was negotiating with the Islamic Courts Union, which effectively ruled Mogadishu and much of Somalia, the latter was inviting in the Ethiopian army. The Ethiopians took Mogadishu at the end of December, with the deaths of around 1,000 people and widespread destruction of the city. By April 2007, more than 350,000 people had fled the city. The current situation effectively prevents Hagi, who has spoken out against this development on the global media, from returning to Mogadishu, so that she is now based in Nairobi. However, her organisation SSWC is seeking to give relief in Mogadishu to those who remained, distributing food and hygiene kits to women and children. Since May 2008, Asha Hagi's focus is on the UN sponsored peace dialogue between the Transitional Federal Government and the Alliance Re-liberation of Somalia in Djibouti, where she is a member of the High Level Political Committee in the Djibouti Peace and Reconciliation Talks. In the peace talks, Hagi represents a balanced position between the different political interests. However, she does not give way on her most important principle: the need for reconciliation and an inclusive, non-violent political process. Her role requires a lot of courage and is putting her in considerable danger, even outside Somalia. Further activities Asha Hagi is a core group member of the Leaders Project, established in 2002, that has brought together more than 300 women leaders from around the world. She is also a member of the Pan-African Parliament in Johannesburg. She is a member of the 21 Peace Commissioners from Africa of the Inter-Faith Action for Peace in Africa (IFAPA), and a Board Member of the Africa Peace Forum (APF) and the International Resource Group on Security and Small Arms in the Horn of Africa Region. Honours Asha Hagi has received a number of awards for her human rights and peace-building work. In 2001, she was made an 'Ambassador for Peace' by the Interreligious and International Federation For World Peace. In 2005, she received the Blue Ribbon Peace Award from the Women Leadership Board of the John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University, and the first award of 'Women of Substance' by the African Women Development Fund. In 2006, she received the 'Tombouctou / Women Peacemaking Award' from Femmes Africa Solidarité. Quotation "Asha Hagi has been working tirelessly to help restore peace and stability to her homeland. She has put all her energy into this exercise. I would like to recognise her important role which also sends the key message that Somalis can truly help their country best by working to end the killing rather than having blood on their hands." Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, Special Representative for the UN Secretary-General for Somalia, Jury member of the Right Livelihood Award Source

Originally posted by dhulQarnayn: Marka hore Juje jaqaldheerow nice one Bililiqo tan ayan ka irii: Halyeey C/llahi mindha adu halyeey ku yahay anaga wa masiibo Illah nagu so saladey. And the bililiqo tag fortunately is with you guys now as even Amin Amir is my witness: So to rebuke your falsely created facts; bililiqo can now be attributed those wearing a national army dress and take orders from the hierarchy of TFG and do nothing but loot at this time and age of 2008. Yes you are right that from Ali Mahdi to Abdiqassim they have failed to establish a governance in anywhere or any place. But isn't that the same with ina Yeey. He is worse of by sanctioning the invassion of the country by historical enemy who are now actually at the forefront of advocating for his replacement. If you ever convinced yourself that C/llahi governs a village let alone a state then you should visit him in his bunker. At least Ali Mahdi and C/kassim had the courtesy of speaking to public out in the open - while ina Yeey doesnt have that liberty scared of hoobiye habow ah ama xabad wifeysa . And for the record, regardless of how anyone sees it half of the country was in peace with itself and under governance of authority of ICU for a period of six months June - Dec 2006 under who if I may ask you?

Originally posted by dhulQarnayn: The Xabasha are starving the population, and your answer to that is dhaanto inaad tumataan. Tha's bloody ridiculous walahi. And what is yours sxb? To detain the descendants of this region and repatriate them to the Xabashi, right?

Originally posted by nuune: ^^ And there is no mention of Ethiopian withrawal in that chronological order! The whole so called meeting in Nairobi is about re-inforcing the Ethiopian presence in Somalia, and a way to get IGAD to finance the Ethiopian soldiers. And, as you may know, Ethiopia is the BIG player in IGAD countries. It won't make any difference if all the stoogies go to Nairobi, since their brethren are butchering Somalis in Muqdisho. Referring to "Jinni ninkii keenaa baxsha", I think that could be trasnlated now to a new one "Jinniyadu markey is dul dul fuulaan, ibleez baa loogu yeeraa si uu u kala hago". Marka uma arko in Kenya oo kaliya ama Igad oo kaliya iney fuquburaalaha Soomaaliya ku habsadey iney ka bixin karto. Ibleezka weyn ee Mareekanka aan naf ka sugno, maadaama uu asaga ku amar taakleeyo dunida, dhisi karo dowlad, baabi'in karo qaran. Sxb your frustration is well documented and legitimate - but what came first the TFG creation Nairobi or the invasion of Ethiopia into Somalia? Thus one step at the time. The promise in the horizon is a change in the system that brought about the apathy and misery.

Latest information regarding this issue Projected agenda for the Nairobi Convention: 1) To extend the mandate period of the TFG Parliament. 2) To expand and include new members into the the TFG Parliament ( notably the opposition members in the Djibouti Reconciliation Process). 3) To dissolve the Presidency and the TFG Government . 4) To constitute through Parliamentarian elections new TFG President and subsequently new TFG Executive Government. In that chronological order.

Originally posted by NGONGE: I wonder where does that leave the Djibouti process! This is the second phase of it.

Originally posted by Supremacist: Ogaada somali unity is dead, as soon as this government dissolves expect another round of endless violence in the south with no inch forward in progress. Bollocks...! Tell me where there is no violence in the south perpetuated by C/llahi and and his allies, Ethiopians, and I will support your innuendo notion. If your idea of unity is based with C/llahi at the helm and the shelling of all that is in the South then you can shaf the unity where it best suits you. dhulqareyn They've also been brainwashed by the Shabab deviants in some sort of pathological cult-like orgy. It is so sad, that such useless cimaamad wearing morons can fool so many people with their munaafiqnimo. There is a famous saying that goes like this ' H turub barey', sxb the turf of conflict has changed - the soldiers with the cimaamad are doing what they are best at making sure you dont sleep good in the bunker - but the process to change and terminate your falsely conceived hegemony is being conducted within the corridors that brought you to power. TFG does not need Puntland it is the other way round - now it is up to your 'great sons of P/land' to decide whether they will follow a fallen tyrannical leader or be part of a process of change.

Ilax you are one of a kind - could you please not come out from your recluse or where ever else you may be far from this SOL politics - otherwise they will tear you, taint you and mould you into one of their kind..'opinionated'.

^^Ciid Wanagsaan.. Originally posted by Che -Guevara: quote: Isbaheysiga wuxuu sheegay in uu soo dhaweynayo ka bixitaanka Ciidamada Itoobiya ee Magaalada Beledweyne, wuxuuna sheegay in bixitaanka Ciidamadaas uu ku yimid wada hadal iyo dadaal dheeraad ah oo uu bixiyay Isbaheysiga Dib u xoreynta Soomaaliya, gaar ahaan Guddigiisa Nabadgelyada. hiiraan Is there any truth to this? Not according to Al-Mujahiid Indhacaade. Indha-Cadde oo eedeeyey Sh. Shariif Sh. Yusuf Indhacadde ayaa ku sifeeyey hagardaamo hadalkii Sh. Shariif oo ahaa in ciidanka Ethiopia ay Beledweyne kaga baxeen heshiis ay la gaareen Isbaheysiga Dibu-Xoreynta.Sh. Indhacadde, oo ah xoghayaha difaaca ee Isbaheysiga mucaaradka ah, ayaa sheegtay in ciidankiisu ay xoog ku saareen kuwa Ethiopia, oo ay awood sheegteen, kaddib markii sida uu sheegtay ay u muujiyeen cudud millatari oo aysan ciidanka Ethipia u babac dhigi karin. Wuxuu Indhacadde yiri: "Shariif been buu arrintaas ka sheegay. Runtiina hagardaamada iyo dhibaatada uu umadda Soomaaliyeed u geysanaayo qeyb kamid ah waaye. Ilaahey ha uga toobad keeno ayaan leeyahay arrintaas," ayuu yiri. Indhacadde ayaa shir jaraa'id ku qabtay magaalada Muqdisho. Isagoo wareysi siinaya BBC-da, ayuu sheegay inuu isagu goobjoog u ahaa dagaalka ka dhacay magaalada Beledweyne. Wuxuu sheegay in ciidankiisu ay galeen diyaar garow fara badan, iyo inuu argagax badan galay Alle galiyey ciidanka Ethiopia, iyo waliba in ciidankiisu ay yihiin kuwa aan ka cabsaneyn geerida. Source

Allamagan sxb for them to discuss the piracy I doubt whether they will shift the entire TFG parliament to Nairobi - teeda kale - jiini ninki keena bixiya - or something like that, this parliament iyo odeyga madaxweynaha uu ah ayago is wata ayeey Kenya nogu yimadeen. Hence bal asalkodi ha lagu celsho si wax lagu bedelo. Ilaax if ever there was the presence of the attributes you state, even iota of it, then we would have never been in this dire situation. On the other hand to get to the beginning of that stage we have to start from somewhere - and that is where we have been getting wrong all these years 'the initiation of the process'.

Somali president Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, Prime minister Nor Adde as well the speaker of the parliament along with entire MPs have been called for to partake a crucial meeting on Somalia that would take place in Kenyan capital in the upcoming days, officials said. The arrival call of Somali government was announced in IGAD foreign ministers meeting in New York to hold the meeting in the next week. The agendas of meeting would be included the security and political situation of the country. This follows the somali foreign minister speech to the world leaders who had attended the UN general assembly in New York about the on the crisis facing the country, especially security issues, the peace process and relief supplies to Somali people. SOURCE

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: ^War Juje adna Yeey lagu bada dhige. I doubt his departure would make any difference though he would one less thorn to worry about. His departure or in this case replacement will make a lot of difference - in simple words the failures of the TFG and the whole Somali political farce can be attributed to his ignorancy, arrogancy and the utter absence of logical compromise in his vocab. On the other hand he is the main obstacle to the new wave of reconciliation. His simple presence negates the implementation of any peace process. The reality is most Somalis knew already that it was inconceivable to adapt or combine together a Yeey's rule and change for a reconciliation government - but the the International Community were blind to that aspect. It is now that they have found out the harsh reality at the cost of Somali people. Now IGAD who backed Yeey's leadership adamantly since its creation are now working to bring an end to it while still keeping the institutions of the TFG intact for whatever they are worth. However beyond doubt we will see the end of an era that was bullish, uncompromising and above all out of touch with reality in Somalia. And with Yeey will go his lietenants : Qeybdiid, Darwish, Maxamed Dhere, and his side kicks such as Gacmadhere, Ali Abdullahi Ossoble, Dalxa etc. In Nairobi there will be a big revamp and may be the emergence of a rekindled Somali reconciling government. Deny now and rebuke my words but let SOL be a witness that you heard it from me first.

Madaxda Somalia oo Nairobi looga Yeeray Waxaa shir aan caadi ahayn loogu yeeray in ay ka soo qaybgalaan madaxwaynaha dowladda ku meelgaarka ah, ra'iisul wasaaraha iyo guddoomiyaha Baarlamaanka iyo dhamaan xubnaha baarlamaanka ku meelgaarka ah ee Soomaaliya. Urur goboleedka IGAD, golihiisa wasiirada, oo ku shiray New York, ayaa go'aansaday in madaxda dowladda iyo dhamaan xubnaha baarlamaanka ay todobaadka soo socda ka soo qaybgalaan shirkan oo looga si deg deg ah looga wadahadlayo xaaladda ammaanka iyo siyaasadda hadda ka taagan Soomaaliya. SOURE

To all SOLers and their family...... Happy and Joyous Eid and may the blessing of the holy month of Ramadan be with you .....amiin!