Originally posted by Abwaan: Waa ayaandarro in arrimo noocaanoo kale ah ay dhacaan xilligaan, balse waxaan ku kalsoonahay in shakhsiyaadkii ka masuulka ahaa sharciga la hore keeni doono. Shime he saxiibo. Hadi ila iyo hada la horkine waayay abeedkoodba lama keeni dono. The crime committed by senior officers within the ICU, endorsed by higher officials and todate no arrest except the naming or alleged appointment of a committe who have yet to be named. Why is it taking so long, when the ICU are the sole rulers of the region? This is not a cover up, it is just that those who committed or either one way or the other endorsed the crime are among the untouchables within ICU, and their persecution will trigger a potential rivalary within the fragile union of the ICU. Fact.

Originally posted by HornAfrique: Fartaag oo ku hanjabay mar kale in ay duulaan kusoo qaadayaan gobollada Jubooyinka si gacanta Maxaakimta ay kala baxaan. Somebody should advise him not to even try it.

Your 'finally' sxb is disgustingly 'xasiidnimo'. You are hopin a war on which neither will win nor loose, but whose sole victims will be the people. Xasiid waa Xasadaan!

Sxb Olol se ka noqotey widayo, ma ogiid miya in laga fican yahey habarka.

Cajiib..! Kuwana waxay yirahdaan 'orod nagala tag qurafadkada' kuwa kalana waxay leyihiin no bal-balari sheekada oo yacni wey ku socota. Anyways Red sxb I think there is lack of comprehenssion amid you and me, so lets leave it at that. As for Ugas Duke, Yes saxiib there is diversity in application within the ICU and it is not healthy. Indhacadde at the moment is more leaning towards the moderates, cause he has made enemies within the hardliners particularly with Cayro. And for heavens sake Duqa dont ask me to define to you moderates and extremist in any organisation. Cadani is backing the leadership of Sharif, firstly on the basis of clan wise secondly he has invested a lot in here and wants his man in there until he can recuperate his financial investment plus profit, which explacing why his brother is the financial secretary in the ICU. The Sharif camp are willing to negotiate with the TFG initially in restoring peace and gradually into changing the constitution and so forth, not forgeting also into bargaining for decission making posts within the TFG. The radicals dont recognise the TFG, dont recognise regional organisations or even either International ones, as far as the TFG is concerned for them it is a gaalo created government in expanssion of gaalo influence with Ethiopia at the helm. This latter group also advocates in eradicating by force those that oppose the introduction of the ICU in the whole of Somalia. Their moto being Somalis are Muslim hence the total introduction and interpretation of the Sharia is a must, though arguebly toi some but clear to others that it is a ploy. If you remember in the early days there was public flogging in the streets of Mogadishu and justice wat at the mercy of the militant soldier in the street who had the power to flog you if he deemed you were commiting a sin. Well that had stopped and was publicly announced by Sharif in order to insert his authority. The power dispute among the ring leaders does not end there and if you dont blindly follow it or utterly hate it principaly or tribaly you will notice it. Ngonge was saying lets give it 18 months, my money is on less than that. First the out of Khartoum meeting , the radicals will be pushing for total war, the moderates for more diplomacy. And actually now as it has been brought to my attention Turki and Cayro are furious with the Sheikh who annouced that there will be a committe set to investigate the fatal scandal in Kismayo.

Cambarro..! If you were clever enough as your writing portrays you would have noticed that the phrase of my topic nds with a question mark, hence anything written under that topic is asking questions or otherwise. But since you your last assumption is that it is allegation , it shows you are unwilling to delve deep into the queries presented. Therefore my dear sister dismiss as you may, as am sure it will rise as a matter in a time of not your choosing, markasna gember gaban aan kugu fadhiya.

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: Wallee farxad ayuu noo yahay warkaas kheyrka qaba! Ma waxa farxaad ku ah, Ugaas qaba in la qadshey hadalkiisa, wale ada cirka roob ku og. The guy , Ugaas, in his own words said that "danta beshena ayan ka dhex weyney dowlada Puntland...saas awgeed ayan ugu bireyna Maxkamadaha'... He is after all danta beshiisa....how is that rejoicing bal tell me?

Originally posted by Mr. Red Sea: As far as anything else,it's just bumbo jumbo, a hotair perpatrated by people in order to send any sort of critism towards the ICU,but as they have done so many times,they will simply shut up their critics with their goodwork,that is otherwise not expected from them by those who critised it. Disregarding the rest of your inuuendo, can you please tell me the good work? Apart from waging war on their peers in the name of Islam, creating peace and security. Anything else sxb? Cause if that is your good work, I have all day to talk about it and prove it is a orchestrated cover up and hides a dangerous plan. And as you said the courts unity can only be damaged by tribal difference. Hello, are we on the same wave in here? The courts are established in tribal frame work, each clan has its own 'maxkama' thus making the Middowga Maxakamadaha Islaamiga. The effects of tribalism is not absent sxb

Originally posted by Cambarro: One needs to take responsibility of his actions/words. We need to be careful of what we say without any evidence. Very good, you are at least better that those saying 'waad habartameysan'. Typical Somali, you touch a nerve of reality and they take cover in the 'Deen'. Evidence you asked my sister, and that is what am after apparently. As you may have understood my 'layman' analysis of the situation as a 'rumour mongering'. It was rather a query more like it. Evidence as you say, who should provide me or the maxakamiin. Now if I may rebound the question to you, who killed the swedish journalist? Isnt that a question whose answer should be provided by the ICU since it was their rally, and the city in total,except for few portion, was under their control. Plus that the following day on record and in press the defense secretary Indhacadde said they are holding suspects. So where is the answer, where are the held suspects and who did it, and why has it been put under the carpet by the ICU? My dear there are many why's that meet the eye. So before you accuse me of rumour mongering look at the facts I presented and see if you have answers to it.

It is coming clear by the day that there is the emergence of deep divions within the ICU. This division could spark fatal clashes amid the 'wadaads' themselves before they even counter that of the TFG and the Ethiopians forces.Some are saying it is better if that happened in order to solve the problem before encountering the enemy, or at least to have some sort of unity within the ICU however fragile it may be. It is rumoured that there are two factions within the ICU and as they are commonly known as the 'moderates' Sheikh Sharif ad co. and the 'extremes' Sheikh Hassan dahir Aweys and co. The latter group has the upper hand in the ICU army and boasts with such individuals as Cayro and Turki and the 'shababs. Indhacadee who is neither of the group is disliked within the extremists , as it is evidently proven that he has lost most if not all control of regions where he previously boasted as a governor. Cayro is hand picking chiefs and leaders of Shabellede Hose and kicking out those that were pro-Indhacadde. It is also reported that upon the seizure of Xamar the hardliners where told to stand aside in order to win the hearts and minds of the Somali people, and thus Sheikh Sharif having an independent hand in running the show in Mogadishu, Balcad , Jowhar etc. This infuriarated the extremist factioin and at times they thretened to dispel the executive committe of the ICU and take total control of the situation. The soft soft approach and leniency in matters regarding the governance did not please them. To prove that they could damage the whole thing they made their mark in killing a foreign journalist in broad daylght infront of the executive committe in a rally orgainsed by the ICU.That was the killing of the Swedish journalist for Channel four. The survival of the moderates so far depended on the support of the financial packer of the the ICU one Abukar Cadani and his host of Arab support countries. Hence the leaning power of the moderates was the finacial while that of the extremists was the military power. Having no technical knowledge or diplomacy tact in finding way to get around this problem, the extremist struck a deal with moderates, and that was to be graned the responsibility of solely capturing Jubaland and its running without any interference from th moderates. This proved by the fact that the head of the ICU has yet to visit Kismayo to date. The moderates also have the support of the business group in Xamar and extensively the media. the latter support has been very benfitial in the sense that it has won battles for the ICU before they even embarked on. To this date the media which is well equiped works as a weapon in winning the propoganda war for the ICU against its enemies. It is fair to point here that the media support for the ICU is not limited to the Somali media and websites but also that of the worldwide reputed BBC Somali service. It has emerged recently that in a well orchestrated move by the media they reported that the ICU have captured cities in war that was either underway at the moment or not even started , hence having a serious effect on its outcome. One recent example the Bu'aale war. Going back to the topic, the division within the ICU has now reached a inrecoverable state. the moderates know that they are not in a postion to take an all out war on the TFG and the Ethiopians, and that neither will win, while the extremist believe that it is the only solution. The division between these two camps could probably soon emerge on surface as the moderates believe that extremist in Jubaland singlehandley and intionally destroying the image of the ICU. While on the other side the extremist believe that the moderates are soft and thus are hampering the fulfilling of the full potential and introduction of full Sharia Law in Somalia. In either case it shows that it is not all good within the ICU. It could infact be benefiting factor for the old man in Baydhabo, but only and only if he is witty enough to prolong any form of fighting between the two factions. At the moment the ICU has nothing to offer the Somali people except the thought of Jihaad against 'gaalos' invading our country. Their whole good factor centres around conflict and the spreading of the Islamic rule. A propoganda tool that has worked for them so far, but failed to answer the question in how do u intend to govern once you take over. In Xamar the port and airport was opened, what happeed next...? Nothing.

Hiraale and Horn are cleverly been thrown to the wolves. It adds up why now. Why there was nonational forces with Barre, why no government support for Barre. The Ethiopians helped, but they helped with only Logistics. Barre was not supported, he took back his clan militia with him, only this time each had three AK's with him as opposed to one each when they first fled Kismayo. May be to President Yusuf and others in here , they dont care who controls Baydhabo if neither is affiliated with Puntland. Am I wrong? My money is on Barre joining the ICU and announcing a Maxkama in Gedo soon. Kan dagal kaga adkada iyo kan ku daga ke ku roon in aad la heshiso?

Duke, sxb they dont care and will by the end of the day make it a nin-starter. It is ironic when pro-maxakamiin websites are reporting it and even when the ruling council of the ICU has named a committe to investogate this incident , the BBC chose to stay silent about. In today he was fast enough to report and interview the Ugaas about 'maxkamada Galkacyo logu dhawaqey'. This clearly illustrates the priority of the BBC. Yusuf-Garad is on a mission and is probably hoping to take a important portofolio from the ICU ( if ever it materialises) once the scandal in BBC Somali services becomes more apparently clearly.

I think it was long agreed that BBCwas a mouth piece for ICU.

loool..! Widaayo maxay cimamada ugubeen bal?

Originally posted by Nayruus: Ugaas Axmed Muuse Nuur is on BBC Somali .... The message he is trying to tell the world is that they will never back off from this decision even if Cadde Muuse brings his tigrean mercenaries for a fight. After listening I think the Ugaas was saying that they chose the 'Sharecada Islanka ' cause of personal interest which he deems his clan lacks in the LKocal government of Puntland. His own words were I think....'dana siyasadeed ayan uu aragna in ay nogu jirto dhisida Maxkamada'. So can we assume he is not genuine in establishing a Islamic court and using it as a bargaininh chip to gain higher political level for his clan, after all he is doing it for 'his clan' .

^^Ok, so the rest casnt be blamed, is it?

^^We dont, am just trying to stir clear from you mar.

^^ You took that bait sxb, the man is talking about doom. Best is to completely reject his theory.

Originally posted by raadamiir: The reason being reer muqdisho are *********** if you don't point them in a direction they most like fight within. Indeed...! [ October 31, 2006, 01:11 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

Originally posted by Lieutenant Xalane: what i want is an all out war,Let 65% of the current population perish if need be,but the answer to the whole problem lies with the out come of one War and who ever wins,surely will bring peace back to Somalia. Jenerale this the bottom line of this Xalane's post, how do you endorse a great point within it. Saxiib you are a like a person who will accept to be made partially or even totally blind in order to be given some bread. Not thinking of what will happen after you have consumed that loaf of bread. Xalane saxiib , horta shartada Allah na motiyo, amiin dheh. Mida xigta Somalia dagal uma dhimana, Illahna kuma keno mid kale. May be waxad isku haleyna xoog aan kada aheyn oo waxad uu maleysa in lagu maqiqi dono kuwa aad u aragto cadow, lakiin waxad ogata ayagana talo la'an meel kuma fadgiyan. Sadashaan xun intaad iska dhaftiid Fataxada umarin umadada Allah kala badbasho.

Originally posted by raadamiir: JUje please let me come down to ur leave for a breif moment. open ur ears and listen up closly. If ina hasan is a Sheik so is MAxamed Dheer if inda adde is anything close to a wadad then abdi qeyqeydiid is muufti. And we have all ways known that Sheik Abdiallahi is sheik of all of them. They learned from him. hassan aweys and the rest of the United southern courts look up to wadadaka joogah Baydabo. Let them attack baydabo so that malaclin can crack the wipe. And teach them a few lessons or two because they still not done with duksii. This sort of mentality is reason the 'maxakamiin' are winning the hearts of the millions of Somalis. The filth in Raadmiirs mind should be eradicated for one and all.

^^Midkan Raadmir maxaa aqli ku jira...se camal sxb, waxa istiri miya nimankan wadada waxay ku guleysanayaan Sheikh iyo Abu ee la wada baxeen...mugasa adna kuwi Baydhaba naxdiinta la fadhiyay aad 'Sheikh' ka wada sintey. Shax shax widayo saas aa laga raba.

Originally posted by General Duke: Lets stop beating the drum and pray for a way out. From machoism to humbleness 'lets pray for a way'. You certainly need to pray sxb.!

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^Ok, so when the TFG troops left it was out of cowardice and when they leave its because Well once again I refer to you Jenerale, we dont know anything about the TFG troops sxb do we? As you said in many times and places they have never fought anyone anywhere. So we cant say whether it is cause of cowardice or tactics. We will learn about them in the coming days Inshallah.