Alla ha unaxariisto umuda dhimatay , Alla hana Qaboojiyo Rabshadaan. Enough Maryooley are already six feet under.

Waraa Baashi...Hal Hal usoo baxa nooh...Goobashoda iska daayee....lol Ppl, Juma has the right to be angry. A topic with such inflammatory title only warrants a harsh response. Iam not sure what the nomad who started this post was going for, but iam pretty certain it wasn't meant to enlight us about the merits of the USC struggle with Barre. Horn...In the mind of every Somali USC is synonmous with certain Qabiil just like SSDF and SNM are indentified with certain Qabiils.Addressing USC usually means addressing dat particular Qabiil.

Tookie founded the crips who created havoc in every black ghetto from roxbury to south central, and he did indeed murdered people. The man might have indeed redeemed himself, and perhaps deserves some mercy, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't face the consequences of his actions.

Good luck to them.

^^^Just got busy with life, I guess and the discussions in SOL became redundant, and predictable. Waa Runtaa the RRA leadership is disappointing to say the least.These men had one time the oppurtunity to free their people, and infact every Somali district south of Xamar from the chains of the Maxaa tiri boys from North, instead they decided to dance to the tunes of IndhaCade and Yeey, and Baydhabo becomes a place of contention everytime some " Somali Peace reconciliation" is concluded.

Awhile back when Yeey was coming to NYC, Somalis in the beantown held a gathering that i guess was meant to best decide how to welcome the "prez" to the states. Before anything could be done, a man decided that his only contribution to the meeting would be to point that most of pple there were from one tribe. He was telling the truth since majority of ppl were indeed of one tribe,but he failed to mention that nobody barred other Somalis from attending the meeting, and from having their voices heard. The other Somalis simply choosed to stay away for whatever reason. So my friend, ONLF might indeed be representing the interests of a certain qabiil, but that should haven't stopped other Somalis from working with ONLF since both are working towards the same goal. This is simply a case of Tuuk tuuk kale dhahaaya tuuk. You can't accuse ppl of the very thing you indulge.

I guess Nin iyo "xoolihiisa" aragti aa kadhaxaysa.....Don't really know wat to makes of this, ....loooooooooooooooool Isn't he admitting to taking part in the genocide by claiming this Tikniko...Only in Somalia!!!

Asking for Somali unity is bit too much. Lets just be good neighbors, and be out of each other's way, Inspirational man he is though Timacadde.

Let nature be nature. Animals behave in peculiar ways coz they got to survive. the author forgets to mention hynes, lemurs, and many other mammals including certain chimpz where females are head of the clan, and males are merely powerless and submissive subordinates. N in some sect species, the males get cannabalized during the mating process by the females. Now dats harsh. Looking sexism in nature is just foolish as nature is kind to nobody.

Ibn...Kaysaa chalrahaa hee yaar. Idar kiyaa karahaa hee gaandhuu.anyhow, kab igay gar. P.S Teraa london dosti loog Q barishaan karahaa hee. Ishq karoo yaar! Namaste Jee Che in Beantown

I don't know him personally, I just know who he is, and he is definealtly from puntland. This is wat happens when people stop using their brians. They see everything through someonelse's eyes. Yeey cheerleaders read everything through's yeey's lenses. The idea of one them(Plander) expressing anything contrary Yeey's beliefs is pretty foriegn to them.

First sensible thing that come out this Pland thing in years. Good luck to them.

Windtalker....Hail Yeeeeeeey.looool or you tried for treason!! These people are amazing. Yeey has brought nothing but destruction to Pland, but in the eyes of his disciples, he does no wrong, and all that's good in Pland is coz him. MMA....Hmmmm indeed.

it is not even far fetched to envision that they finance many killings in Mogadishu through a network of spies and hardened criminals who can be hired for a couple of hundred dollars or less. N according to the Sland, the southerners are sending mercenaries to kill foriegners , awhile at the sametime Yeey the Plander former president and the so called Somali president has destbalizing Sland by invading its land, and sending a teenage girl to assasin SLand vice-president. Come on now, you could do better than this.

^^^^^I second dat...Don't declare anything you can't implement N wat ever happen to consulting the masses.

Boowee...Independence from whom? :confused: If your concern is rebuilding Pland....by all means, go ahead , ain't nobody stopping you, but breaking away from Somalia is BIG NO!!!!!!!!!!

What peace? You mean the cessetion of tribal war in the Gedo region. Well hopefully Somalis in Gedo and at large hopefully understand peace has some dividends. Good luck to them

Can you people defferentiate, distinguish or even comprenhend, see the bigger picture and smell the coffee. LoooooooooL.....Wats is da big picture...Enlighten us plz. The way I see it if you had a hand in the actions of the goverment which essentially abandon its responsibilities towards its citizens, and opted to destroy its land, then you are criminaly liable.

^^^^.Xoogsade...Atleast You are honest. Back to da topic Qeybdiid is guilty as hell, n so r many others from every Somali tribe, but what is funny is the Planders in here are calling for this man head on plate, and while at sametime defending the likes of Ali Samatar, infact making fundraisers for him to cover his defence and other expenses, and then having the audicity to come here and preach justice. I was scared to see women throwing away their clothes and pouring sand on their head to entice the men to go back and fight, defend their tribal honour. Dadkaan qabiilaa dhuuxa ka galay. LoooooL.....Saaxib, Qof Somali Ah oo Qabiil Lafaha Ka galin Malaha.....Anba Habeenkasta Magool Baan Ka sayxan Dagaalkii 91. The inhibantants of Xamar responded to her venom in great numbers killing their neighbors, marching to the south not to defeat but exterminate the "enemy". Somalis are effected by Qabiilism, but you can choose to believe some are more tribalistic than others. I think Islamnimo and Somalinimo is non-exist, and the last 15 yrs is proof of dat. The only thing that could save Somalis is realising that your individual interest doesn't lie with your qabiil.

^^^^^^LooooooooooooooL Waqti dheer baad sugi Geedi will concentration on his people in the south and get their act together His people.....Hmmmmmm...I thought he was your prime minister which I guess would make his people. Back to the topic.....These men dat are heading Pland, and other tribal fiefdoms in Somalia are just here to benefit themselves N they would enter into deal as long as they get piece of the pie.

We didn't dispose of Siyaad Barre( Allo Ha unaxariisto) so we could celebrate day Yeey was "elected". Who gives a crap :confused:

Shariif is ineffective...He can't stand up to Yeey or the warlords in Xamar. He says he is defending something, and at this point, I feel to see what. These ****** whether Yeey, Shariif or the bunch in Xamar don't know Compramise. It is not about them, It is about the Somali people N time must come when all stop being "Macangag". You iron issues by sitting together not by jetting around the world, amassing militias, importing arms, and getting ready for a new wave of unnecessary mass devastion of life and property. OLOL...All Somali Leaders are idoits....I don't see why you are defending any maryooley leader.

By Nur Hersi Bahal Ambrose Bierce once said that politics is “strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. †I share his insight and I detest it for its dishonesty and its trivial pursuit of making fact into fiction and fiction into fact. But let us give the devil his due: Most societies, to the exclusion of the Somalis, have a purpose and a common objective or a national agenda respected equally by all. This is, for example, the reason that the position of the United States of America towards the Middle East does not change regardless of what party comes to power. Politics, in a society with a plan, becomes a tool that fosters and accommodates a variety of views. Do Somalis have a common goal? Whereas the rest of the world draws on a system such as democracy to foster an atmosphere of stability that nurtures progress we have opted for tribocracy. The war-lord-paradise where every time there is reconciliation the worst of their lot comes to the top to claim legitimacy in leadership has more to blame than just the power-hungry war lords. For a long time, we have ignored the role of the general populace and their share in maintaining the continued grip of the predatory warlords and facilitating the warlords’ ever growing confidence to make their gun-wielding politics a reality. It takes a number of partners in crime for social deconstruction to succeed to the point of anarchy. The stance of the warlords flourishes on the availability of manpower and grassroots support. Hoards of young males, including some who are barely in their teens, look to warlords for employment and in turn provide the much need bands of armed militia. An equally dangerous support is garnered from inside and, more importantly, outside the country where clan and tribe members are poised to support ‘their’ warlord morally, materially and ideologically. If 15 years of lawlessness, draughts, natural disasters, the death of over 500,000 people and the daily ravage of killings and crimes perpetrated against their nation and their brethren does not convince them of the heinousness of their thought process, what will it take to get them to wake up? Introduced by Arab Sheikhs sometime around three hundred years after the birth of Islam in Arabia, groups of Somalis in a locality formed a confederacy to a particular sheikh who taught them Islam. They became his “Xer†commonly referred to as the “Xertii Sheekh Hebel†– The Religious Confederacy of Sheikh so and so. Given enough time, such confederacies developed into full blown tribes with their line of paternal ancestry adjusted to go back to the Sheikh himself and instead of “xerti Sheekh Hebel†it became “reer Hebelâ€. There is a simple prove for this: The average line of ancestry (abtiris) is 20 grandfathers to the Sheikh. The average life span in those days was not more than 60 years. Therefore, the ancestral lineage or tribe is only 1200 years old. But Somalis existed in the Horn of Africa for the last 5000 years evidenced by the recorded trade and interactions with the Phoenicians, Ancient Egyptians, the Chinese, and Indians etc. way before the Christian era. Without belittling the influence of Arabs and the relationship with Arabia, the fact that Somalis have a distinct language and an idiosyncratic physical feature that endured over the ions is a clear indication that Somalis are a race onto itself parallel to the Arab race. The overarching principle in tribalism is collective liability. The tribe is jointly responsible for the wrong-doing of its members. The individual was insured into a tribal ‘policy’ where unanimously agreed upon elders advocate for and stand in his/her stead in the event of a mishap. The tribe used to impose the necessary punitive measures required to impede individuals from taking advantage of tribal allegiance. The advent of Western governance in Somalia, and in most African countries, introduced an alien element in tribal thinking. Politics and the politicization of tribe altered the course of deserved trust and altruistic interactions between tribes to attain or maximize peace, coexistence and stability. The average Somali looks at politics as the art of out-manouvering others, including clans of his own tribe, by any means necessary. In the Somali language politics (siyaasad) is synonymous with deceit, cheating, dishonesty, treachery etc. and therefore, it is not a mere coincidence that tribal politics has a propensity to by-pass the inherent limitations in any fair dealing or the expected accountability that accompanies any position of responsibility. Without the restrictions on behaviour imposed by the old tribal rules such as morality, honesty, cooperation, and in the absence of tribal mechanisms that require compliance to the rules and regulations which avoid conflict, leadership within a tribe is also synonymous with a contest between the few who can afford to give. The current divide of each tribe into clans is an attribute of not only the natural continues partitioning of tribalism into smaller and smaller units but also the effects of loss of the tribalism’s pillar; unanimous acknowledgement of tribal leadership, a character that brings harmony and coherence into people with a variety of inspirations. Elders whose outlook on the tribal affairs involves peaceful dealing and compromise with others are endangered species today with their ideas equated or referred to as antiquated. This multi-layered and multifarious new breed of delusional thought requires a society to espouse a position towards those who use patriarchy to attain a self-serving end if she aims to relinquish decades of ravage and war. Tribalists are very savvy in refusing to concede that the interest of their tribe is dependent upon a fully functioning Somali nation. At a time when tribal politics has emerged as a tool of survival, it is infantile to harbor any believe that lets you imagine the possibility of your tribe at the realm of a nation to the exclusion of others. Today’s political impasse in Somalia is a direct result of tribes constantly swimming against the current, each claiming to be fighting for the right thing. Unless and until each and every tribe holds its members accountable for their actions it will be futile to even think of peace and stability in Somalia. War lords, above all, should be made accountable. After all it is their tribe that fuels the imagination of their undeterred egos. If a war lord does possess the courage to bring peace even to his fellow tribesmen and women then what good is he to them? Even in Somaliland where peace prevailed over the last 14 years, one can see the ravages of tribocracy and its intrinsic vices. Somaliland has lost the opportunity to use the most expensive commodity - peace - to its advantage. Squabbling over tribal lines and dirty musing of tribal politics has wasted time and resource that could have lifted the people spirits and given them hope of progress and the realization of their potential. But I digress. Let me come back to the issue at hand! At the height of this moronic debacle called Somali peace process and politics is the Diaspora. A living, thinking, society builds upon its common goals to arrive at beneficial aims that adds to the betterment of the value of their life. It should learn from other societies and enrich itself as a result of getting access to knowledge and experience not available to their folks back in Somalia. It has the opportunity to gain insights into how members of other cultures cooperate to ensure their survival, progress and prosperity. The Somali Diaspora has deliberately failed to augment its thought process and closed itself in a cocoon unaffected by the world of progress built on a health thought process and logic. Our Diaspora employs antediluvian thinking in a world decided by selection of the best possible strategy to ensure success. Tribocracy is the only thing the Somali Diaspora knows and it has not even procured a strategy to develop tribalism to bring cooperation to them and facilitate peace and nation building in Somalia. It seems to me that the Diaspora is feeding the fire of the nation whose problems they immigrated from. The Somalis in North America chose to take sides between the warring factions. The President of the TFG and the Chairman of the TFG Parliament were in recently in North America to attend a UN session for the 60 th birthday of the United Nations and the World Parliament Day. It was a golden opportunity for the Diaspora to bring this groups to the table and give them an ultimatum to reconcile or else! I was shocked to read that groups loyal to the Chairman of the TFG Parliament apprehended “spies†from the TFG President support who wanted take back information. Equally amazing, is the fact that scores of people loyal to Abdillahi Yusuf left Toronto to meet him in New York. Chairman of the Parliament came to Toronto. There were guards at the door to stop “unfriendly†and “spies to beâ€. Of course identification was on tribal basis. What do you expect!!! I was supposed to speak at the Chairman’s visit in Toronto but I was taken off the list. Actually, no body spoke. The reception was changed to a question and answer session. I am speculating that the group that prepared the reception was not ready for tough questions. I intention, were I allowed to say a few words, was to tell the Chairman that both he and Abdillahi Yusuf are operating the outside the agreed upon constitution. In that case, no one is right. I was going to tell him that while they squabble like band of baboons a 150 Somali kids die every day. I was going to tell him that Abdillahi Yusuf cannot tell us that he wants to solve their differences by using peace and persuasion and then turn around and ask the Security Council to lift the arms embargo. Who does he think he is kidding! There are 100 million guns in Somalia. He wants the Security Council to scrap the article that prohibits a nation to invade another. In this case he is paving the way for Ethiopia to invade Somalia. I was going to tell him that he, Mr. Shariff, cannot tell us that Mogadishu is safe and the government can move in while foreigners and Somalis who fight for justice and peace are slaughtered in broad daylight every day of the week. I was going to tell him that while Mogadishu is hostage to a tribal militia, it will impossible to dream of peace. I was going to tell him that if he and Abdillahi Yusuf are not willing to follow, they do not deserve to lead. I was going to tell him that it is too late to trick me anymore. I have grown, matured and learned and I came onto my own. I can see a lying politician a mile away. I am not going to sing the Guulwade anymore for I cannot see victory in the blood of the Somali children. I was going to say that he and Abdillahi Yusuf and each and every war lord can go to Hell!!! Nur Hersi Bahal Toronto , Canada E-mail: nurb@rom.on.ca I thought dis was a nice piece. Source: Hiiraan.com

ooo Here go again, Saaxib...Waa adiga nacaynayee Somaliland Yaa kugu Haysta......Mase Markaa rabtid inaa daac daac sato baa reer koonfur soo raasataa. The rest are all negative and biase towards the succes of Somaliland Why don't you read wat you posted above n see if you said anything positive about Somalia. Be positive n unbaised then maybe others will follow your suit. N plz enough with self-righteous crap....At end of day, you are just another maryooley with da triats like any other Maryooley in da horn. So calm down kid.

^^^^^...Gediid, I thought yu were gonna to make to DC as the honorably Sland Amb way before. Baashi, here is fact, a quarter of all Somali children die before the age of five, and Yeey, Warlords, and the so called presidents ( riyaale n Cadde) continue their menace pretending skilled men playing the high stake game of politics. We are lead by retards, but the sad thing is the somali people are even more retarded.