Originally posted by Mr. Red Sea: Originally posted by Yo-Yo Ma: Why am I picking you? well, I have respect for your intelligence and I am completely aware of what is being said in this thread, however I am only to address the good and understanding people such as you YO YO. Don't patronize me Awoowe. N Please remind yourself next time you feel like imparting your infinite wisdom and your knowledge of Islam, people at times don't say things out of ignorance. P.S My support for the courts has little to with their adherence to Islamic laws and way of life.

Keynan....Just how do you intend to police a country awashed with guns while trying not offend Western sensabilities? Somalia needs law and order (Kaladabeen). Personally, I wouldn't stone them...Just cut off their "Ali".

No mercy for rapists!!!!

Nice piece bro, Somalis do cry, but alone in the dark with no one to lean on. Misery is their only company!!!! P.S. I have always thought the lack of apathy for each other lead to our downfall. We all do is just mock each other.

Northerner..England in da finals...Come on bro Either Germany or Argentina will win this cup.

I can't believe Italy made it. :mad: :mad: Refereeing in this world is horrible. I couldn't believe the matches that were played yesterday. Sad, Holland had to go out dat. I hope they got a good referee for the Ghana macth!

Yanks Cashar ubaah naayeen. How could anyone playing in MLS be taken seriously. People don't count Ghana out yet even though Essien won't be in the line up. The Brazilians had shaky start,and looked weak against the Aussies.

Iinsaan Waaye...Regardless, nobody deserves to be shoot like dog!!!

I do think that there is no general hostility towards other Africans, but lack of action from the goverment regarding protection of refugees is quite astonishing. I know Somali family that lived in South Africa, and from their account of situation there, people live in constant fear. P.S. It is worthy mentioning though that South Africans themselves constitute the most victims of crimes there.

Don't click on da link!!!

Sad way to go out. He was only there doing his job. web page

saaxiib yaashee in the Politics section iyaga wili wee ugu jirtaa oo sheeko cusub ee noqdeen.. laakiin qaarkood aa salaada bilaabay aa la dhahay..AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.. qaarna Itoobiya ee faanshaan..AAAAAAAAAAA... LooooooL...Talow kuwa Salaada bilaabey Yaa ku jira....I guess Salaada would be pretext to getting your own Maxkamad...lol

Come on MC-X, our sisters driving is just fine.Maybe you confuse them with Hooyooyinka. Some of sistas I know do drive crazy, but it has a little to do driving skills.They just like speed or just keeping with the boston traffic.

Here is another FGM tragedy. A promising life cut short. Kenya shock at mutilation death Pamela's mother, Julia Kanuu, did not want her daughter to be circumcised Kenyan villagers have been shocked by the death of girl who bled to death after trying to perform female genital mutilation (FGM) on herself. Pamela Kathambi did the procedure on her own because she was being teased by her friends for not being circumcised in the remote village of Irindi. Her mother told the BBC that she had refused to allow her 15-year-old to be circumcised last year. FGM is banned in Kenya, but remains common in some areas. In some communities it is believed that circumcision will maintain a girl's honour and is part of a girl's initiation into womanhood. She used to be called names by her age mates and friends - 'mukenye' - the name given to uncircumcised ladies Pamela's mother Julia Kanuu Julia Kanuu said she found her daughter lying in her bed on Sunday, complaining of a stomach-ache and she had asked for some tea. It was only after the tea had been made that Pamela admitted what she had done to herself. "She used to be called names by her age mates and friends - 'mukenye' - the name given to uncircumcised ladies," Mrs Kanuu said. "I realised that girls who are not circumcised have gone ahead with education and are doing well in life so I didn't want her to be circumcised." 'Hard-working' The BBC's Wanyama Chebusiri says scores of villagers were milling around the family's homestead discussing the issue in low tones a day after her burial on Wednesday. Female circumcision is banned by the Kenyan government "Pamela's death is a loss to the village because she was a very hard-working lady who would have studied and become someone in the future," one woman said. A local chief in Meru district, central Kenya, said this was the first instance of self circumcision he had heard about and the government had stepped its anti-FGM campaign. The FGM operation involves the partial or total removal of the external genital organs. It is practised in 28 countries, mostly in sub-Saharan Africa

Scarface...Damn Talyaani made it :mad: :mad: but Yanks lost it Go Ghana! Ivory coast was just a disappointment but he they had good game yesterday.

Muizenberg, a little seaside suburb south of Cape Town, has earned the nickname "Matongue", after a neighbourhood in Kinshasa, capital of the Democratic Republic of Congo. Cape Town is home to 35,000 refugees, and Muizenberg has become home to the city's largest concentration of Congolese: several thousand, it is believed. Listening to their stories of xenophobia and administrative bungling, it becomes clear that South Africa - a country that sees itself as Africa's leader in the human rights field - does very little for refugees. In Don Pepe, one of the old buildings where refugees live, people sleep on mattresses, 10 in a room measuring only two by three metres. "This is suffering," says one of the young men there. Aged 26, he has been in South Africa for five years, and has still not obtained the card he needs to be recognised officially as a refugee. This week, Cape Town hosted a conference bringing to promote dialogue between refugees and South Africans. "In some cases we are considered lower than animals," said Roland, who after four years in South Africa has only a temporary permit that has to be renewed every two months and which does not give the right to employment. Documents Okei Leandre from Ivory Coast is one of those who has obtained a refugee card, but is still frustrated. "All these documents make no sense," he told the conference, which was attended by officials from the Home Affairs department, the representatives of UN High Commissioner for Refugees, Cape Town Mayor Helen Zille, and charities. There is a need for strong pressure on these dictatorial and corrupt regimes that create the conditions that make refugees - and that is just as much the responsibility of the South African government Cape Town Mayor Helen Zille "I have my refugee status, and yet I can't open a bank account with this card." Francois Nganga, from the Pool region of Congo, pleaded for understanding. "Do something to make South Africans understand that they are our brothers," said Mr Nganga, whose home region has been the scene of fierce conflict between government forces and the "Ninja" rebels. Mayor Zille acknowledged the need to combat "intolerable" levels of xenophobia that exist in South Africa. "Many refugees bring valuable skills and vibrant cultural diversity to our city," she told the BBC. "Some also start businesses and create jobs." Art In the foyer of the Cape Town Civic Centre, there was an exhibition of art by refugees. Two of the artists, Roch Armed Mikala, 25, from Congo and Steve Bandoma, 26, from DR Congo, said they hoped the exhibition would help them "to get out of the ghetto we are living in and to find a market for our work". Roch is hoping that the exhibition will help him find a market for his art Back in the conference room, two young refugees told their stories. Naomi Kayembe fled from DR Congo with her parents to escape armed conflict, while Florence Joanez left Angola during the long civil war there. Both speak excellent English, and not the French and Portuguese that are the official languages of their respective home countries. Yet they say "we are not accepted by our South African schoolmates, who call us foreigners." South Africa has chosen not to build camps to isolate refugees and asylum seekers from wider society. But this does not mean that refugees are treated fairly, says Loren Landau of the University of Johannesburg, who conducted a study on the situation of refugees in South Africa that was released this week. 'System failure' In an article published in the South African press, Mr Landau describes the dysfunctionality of the system and argues that with just under 150,000 refugees, South Africa is doing worse than other countries with the same level of wealth. Refugees in Muizenberg endure squalid living conditions He cites "people sleeping outside offices just to file an application; security guards and translators demanding money simply to walk through the door; long delays and lost files; police abuse; and denial of key social services, including life-saving medical care". Yet according to South Africa's 1998 Refugees Act, refugees have the same rights as citizens apart from the right to vote. They are entitled to employment, education, and basic services like housing and health. Mayor Zille - a member of the opposition Democratic Alliance - believes that just as foreign countries put pressure on South Africa to end apartheid, there should be firmer action against oppressive regimes elsewhere in Africa that are driving refugees southwards. "There is a need for strong pressure on these dictatorial and corrupt regimes that create the conditions that make refugees - and that is just as much the responsibility of the South African government." South African President Thabo Mbeki has spoken of a need for democracy and good governance in Africa. Yet on a recent tour of central Africa he appeared on platforms with several leaders responsible for situations that are driving refugees towards South Africa. Likewise, he has resisted calls from civil society and from western governments to take a firmer stand against Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe, whose regime's violations of human rights have been repeatedly denounced

I did search one time on somebdoy address ( A friend), and she freaked out when I start describing locations around her house. She got me back though :mad: Nice tool!!!

What makes you think they don't enjoy sex. Too many assumptions and misconceptions.

MMA and Shar...The Ghana FA apolagized his little stunt. The man was just looking for himself. A little to do with politics really. The Ghana is on...already one up....Go Ghana!!!!!! Hopefully the Czechs will win too!!!!!!

Alle-Ubaahne....Ma sidee Kaatay, mase you are just looking to stir some trouble knowing some people might get passionate. Gudniin Gabdhaha is just pain and agony.It serves no purpose. N there is certainly no justification for it. Why should be circumised them anyway Alla_Ubah? Please don't say it is our dhaqan!!!

Ayoub...I knew about Toure, but the death of Xamza is news to me. Alla Ha unaxariisto both. My bro introduced to his music. Loved it from one day, and got me exploring Nubian music. His 1999 albumweb page was my fav. Tammi.....never really checked into west african drumming,but do let us know how it is.

I hope they all rise to the occasion, and come to the sort of understanding that will benefit Somalis. We can't afford anymore conflicts, certianly not one that might engulf da entire horn.

Originally posted by Valenteenah: You guys speak like having your genitals slashed up and sewn up together again is a benign, loving gesture on the parents part. What total bullshidh. Pleading 'ignorance' is a weak drum to beat. People can and should be able to tell right from wrong. It is neither benign nor loving,but can we honestly say these parents intended to harm their kid.Qalbigooda Kuma Jidno. We ought to be careful about vilifying them or just throwing them away in the pen with couple of guys as Naden would have liked. They are other ways of ending this awful practice. As for this particular guy,I think he would have atleast known that he was breaking the Swedish law, and for he should be punished.

Tahliil....Somali music stopped evolving, and came to complete standstill just like everything in Maryooleyland. Anyway, I didn't think I was gonna meet a bigger Mali music fan. It is an enchanting music , almost addictive. N you are right about women singers.Gets you going... Ayoub....You ain't alone buddy. I love da blind couple.Their music get you moving. Hodman....I have heard one song (Ammassakoul N Tenere)of Tinariwen. They sound pretty good actually.They play Touareg music, more contemporary style. Here is link about them with couple of samples. web page Ahura....Traditional Mali reminds of Xamari music for some reason. Just listen to da sample at this link web page Reminds me of Aweys Khamiis. Mali music is diverse as there are diffirent ethnic groups with their own unique musical traditions. Similarities with Somali music would be found in all these traditions. I was actually listening to Hamza El Din today.web page . I thought his music was similiar to Somali Qaraami. Maybe it is Oud/Kaban thing. Free Music people. Unfortunately don't have much of Mali music though. web page

Tanug You Nura, Dabshid....The man definately knew he was breaking the law. Every Somali in the west is very well aware of legal implication resulting from circumising their daughthers. So he can't plead ignornance as the far da law is concerned. As to why he did, Asaga iyo Alla og. We could only speculate!!! A lot of FGM ( certainly in Somalia) is carried out of ignorance or just conforming to the cultural norms. Education is the key here, but those that violate laws here in da west should pay a price.