are u implying Somaliland to seperate and become it is own nation. Well hun that will never come to exist. Somaliland has not been recognized for the past 16 yrs.What makes u think it will be any different in the future? Aaliyah...If Somalis can't agree on peacefully share this land and its resources, then I think the next logical step for them is peacefully dissolve the "union", and let all consenting clans form their own nation. If there are better ideas, pls do share. But do keep this in mind, no clan is going to support a goverment headed by a man from opposing clan.

Camabarra..There is no solution. This is zero sum game. Sadly, no one even with foriegn assistance has the means to subdue all Somalis. So we are left with this cycle of perpetual violence where one group momentarilly gains the upper hand while lay in waiting for their time to shine. And the cycle repeats itself. I say Balkanize the dam country, and make some sort of loose federation.

Cambarro....There is an implicit threat of violence for those who don't cower in the presence of the TFG and its Ethio backers. This is far from genuine reconcialation. It is just one side setting the parameters of this process, and imposing what's an already foregone decision.

Let's just Balkanize Somalia, and let everybody go on their merry way. A lifetime of therapy or even Quraan Saar won't make a dent on amount of hate we have for each other. It is only prudent to part our ways given the fact that we can't agree to live together in peace. Atleast we might learn to become good neighbors.

MMA.....The kid never claimed he was Muslim to begin with. P.S. You might have point about Somalis leaving their religion. I was watching Ayan Hirsi on Colbert Report. I didn't know to laugh or feel pity on her. She seemed so out of place. Ayoub....All Iam saying is live and let live.

I shall marry 4 at once. Warhooye maad ka joogtid. Heed what Cambara is trying to tell you. Hodman iyo Val.....No wadno gareer sisters, but from what we understand somebody has spaming his mailbox with constant PMs web page. It might not be so far-fetched .

^^^^Meesan noqon wali Hodman. Maalintii la, maqlo Hodman, Val iyo Serenity All-Ubaahne qabtay...May then waa la dhihi karaa Dumarkii xaraash iyo xoolo jaban soo kuwa noqday

Originally posted by Valenteenah: Che : More reason to be suspicious, I think. Such prospects don't come so easily unless they are covering up something seriously troublesome. Her gesture might have some undercurrent issues, but for man, the moment hears the posssiblity of having three women, everything else will matter less atleast for the time being. Besides, He always has the option of divorcing the other two.

Alla Ha unaxariisto!! And may Allah give her the strenght to carry on.

I would be very suspicious of them if I was that man... Hard to be suspicious as guy when you have the prospect of sleeping with diffirent woman every night or maybe three on the same nite. :cool:

Alla Ha unaxariisto dadkiisan samir iyo iiman haka siiyo.

Muslinimo iyo Soomaalinimo ma kala haraan Widaagiis adigana goormaad surwaalka gaabsatay. Qof kasta ikhtiyaarkiis buu leehay. Haduu gaaloobo asaga iyo Eebihiis u dhaxeesaa. Muslinimo iyo Somalinimo are not mutually exclusive. One could be Gaal and be Somali patriot. This culture of intolerance gotta stop brother.

^^^Yup we are all in this together. It is conspiracy I tell you.

^^^LoooooooooL You are one cold *******. But Xalane haven't the army failed in protecting the state both from internal and external forces? What is there to celebrate or is this just all for nostalgia? [ March 16, 2007, 12:12 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

^^^Speak for yourself Cara!

Duke....Don't take the words out of context. There is diffirence between announcing plans, and actually going through with the them. Sure, diffirent characters have alluded to the goverment plans, but hardly any action is taken exception being the warlords handing the weapons. The TFG plans are of little consequence to anybody. This nullifies everything. Now when are going up with something that's actually tangible? P.S. The use of brute force with no political solution in mind isn't going to solve anything. It just harden people's veiws.

^^^^You are entilted to your views, but Emperor how do you reconcile your views with the fact that it is multiculturalim that allows to thrive in these foriegn lands?. And just how much could really do about Somalia. It is already slowly populated by Oromos as Somalis continue to flee their homeland.

Emperor...I saw mostly here in the west and there was a sizable non-Somali community especially in our capital, but we are digressing from the main point here as the marriage of Somalis to foriegners is not issue at hand but rather the presence of people with diffirent faith than ours. They always lived among us and will continue to do so in the future. Obviously, this might be shocking and completely undesirable for Somalis who would like to think Somalia is one homogenous society.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^Che, the TFG has presented a clear plan, full disarmamanet, peace, return of private property and reconciliation amongst Somali clans. This TFG has built admins led by locals for every region in Somalia, it envisages a federal system which gives priority to local concerns. All the clans of Mogadishu have been briefed many times and that is why the security crackdown has taken so long, because it is being adapted to their needs and wants. Saaxib....That maybe so, but in my humble the TFG hasn't presented any plan with clear objectives and stated goals. The disarment issue clearly shows their lack of plan. They have come up with diffirent plans starting with three day operation followed by the handover of arms by the warlords (which is only tangible success we could point to).They made farther blunders by airing Reer Xamar would be forcibly disarmed-a very unwise pronouncement by a goverment that has hardly any support from the Mogidisho populace. There is also level of incompatency inherent in this goverment. Who is actually responsible in informing the public about the goverment's plans as diffirent ministers and their deputies as well as goverment spokespersons continue talking about goverment's stated goals without divulging into detials as what this means for the people of Xamar. And what do the new administrations in the rest of the country have actually done so far?. Hardly, anyone hears about the state of these new administrations. The only thing that makes to the news is the disagreement in regards to how the administrations were set up between the competing clans in the Jubba, Galgaduud, and elsewhere. Are these administration actually functional? And then there is issue of the Ethio presence.Just how long are they going to be in Somalia. And could one expect a viable Somali goverment as long as you have Ethio guns protecting it from its citizens as is in the case in our capital? This goverment has alot plans, but hardly did anything. People are only as good as their actions Duke. And with little to show for, this so called goverment is running of steam and out of ideas.

this is all new and never have been there before few years back, and for that reason I believe someone will have the right to be suprised, dissappointed or even protest or at some point dedicate topic Agreed! I guess Iam used to seeing Maryooley intermingle and married to all sorts of people.

Emperor......Our culture is not inert matter. It is evolving and is bound to intermingle with alien cultures.Now we could choose to ignore the world around and live in perpetual ignorance, or learn from others and incorprate what's ever good about alien cultures. P.S I don't know about Somali Jews, but there are and were definately Somali Christians.

It's another suprise for me and great dissappointment that some other members find this normal and worse than that they find people like and Sheik as backward outdated and detached from thruth of the world and civilisation. Emperor....I don't find backward.He is more of bigot. One could be "civilised", and hatefull as well.But what's annoying here is the misplaced priorities as demonstrated by Shiekh. What could the presence of an allaged Jew do to Somalia that has done by Somalis themselves. We are in sad state in our history that's soley the making of our people. Rather than dealing with pressing issues, Shiekh is more concerned the presence of lonely Jew.

^^^^Easy now Zaf. That will get him over the cliff. N we don't want that. Start with him Fanta preffered by most Somali Muslims in remote villages.

Shiekh...What's worse is the narrowed minded people like you whose is more worried about fictional online character rather than worrying about actual problems back home. Of all things to worry about in Somalia, you somehow manage to find the one thing that hardly does any damage to Somalia.

^^^^There is nothing nice about Somalia or Somalis.