Somalia: Current Prospects for Reconciliation and Development Pointless to talk prospects of peace and development when people are being blown to bits in the streets of Xamar. What do these meetings accomplish anyway?

Waste of Time !!

Didn't people evecuated the areas where the fighting is going?

^^^^^^^^^LoooooooooooooL@Horn Ootaay.........Barre was saint. Watever happen to other Barres?

^^^Why are you sad?

Ragu toodaa u cad. Let them be. That are running out of ideas. Amazing thing all Somalis don't realise unless you sit down together, nothing is gonna work whether you want your own independent state or wanna be the king of Somalia. The solution lies within us. haddii ay Somaliland u dhaqanto sida qayrul-masuulnimada ah ee ay u dhaqmaan Cabdillaahi Yuusuf iyo kooxdiisu may jireen Boosaaso iyo Garoowe in ay nabad ku joogaan, dhuumasho ayay ku joogi lahaayeen kolba meel aan la garanayn. This is an excerpt from Mujahid Maxamed Kaahin's interview. It is hard to reason with people who buy into their own B.S. It is like Yeey and Jeele thinking they could pacify using Ethio muscles and their kinsmen.

Ana_Juwa.....The only enemy we see is each other. If and when the majority of Ethios leave the south, Somalia would simply fall back to the tribal skirmishes that we were used. I don't think the courts could be revived. Warrancadeh.....Ethiopia owns everything in the former Republic that's Somalia. Nabadshe....I don't see any leadership that's capable of leading this country out of choas. The only hope is if every Somali asks him/herself what has my Qabiil done for me that last sixteen years?

^^^Aw dhuudhumashada ee caadi usoo bax nooh...generous advice kulahaa!

Badacas...I don't mind to budger duqa, but it looks you have no real answers to the questions posted by the members. Your only contention is the wish of Somaliland to break away from rest of Somalia. If it is all about the wishes, hopefully your lot will learn to respect the wishes of Sool and Sanaag whether be motivated Qabiil or Fake Somalinimo as I would like to put.

Xiin..Is that a threat or warning old man?

It is nothing unique to the Somalis. As rule of thumb, one should be careful with any image and even materials that they post online or share with a "friend" or potential cyber mate. Protect yourself whether you are guy or gal. I have even seen couple of girl videos supposedly from Paltalk posing for whoever thay are chatting. Not smart move on the girl's part, but what's worse is the guy who went out of his way to gain the girl's trust just he could abuse that trust and flaunt her images online. P.S Another thing people might not aware of is some employers would actually google you to see anything about you in the cyberworld. Many people lost on possible oppurtunities coz of their images and materials that are online. PSS...Somaligate.com collected pics of many gals some underage, but I believe that site has been taken down!

Bacadacas....You haven't really answered anything. If it just comes down to the wishes, then it is my contention that majority of the people in Sool and Sanaag want to be part of united Somalia. Hopefully, the entity in Hargeisa would respect that, and not create mayhem in these regions in it's futile quest to gain independence.

LooooooooooL@nabadshe...They are in Erigavo the same way Sland army could see the gates of Garowe I guess.

^^^^^LoooooL@people Badacas waa lagu goobtay. Hal Hal u soo baxa

^^you have a point, but I think the animosity we have for each other supercedes anything else. There was time that I thought Ethio boots in Somali soil would unite us, but sadly that's not the case. If anything, it is about to explore in the north as well, and I could see more Ethio boots there while we shred each other to bits.

^^^^Very sad development. In the words of Me....Let it burn baby! Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it!

1. Majority of them support the TFG. They give hiil iyo hooba because they associate clanwise with a man that spearheads the TFG, Abdullahi Yusuf. By this logic, I guess the only reason that you support the Somaliland is simply your tribe enjoys a complete political domination in the north west. Currently as we speak there is no republic, the republic that once existed was fought by all Somalis, how ill visioned are you che? Well, there is no nation or state called Somaliland either. That doesn't stop you supporting or hoping for an indepedent Somaliland. Why should Somalis abandon the idea of a united Somalia. Somaliland is the most prospering region, yet they oppose it though they know they could gain many things such economical development. A good example would be the difference between Awdal and Sool. Awdal has benefited and Sool is still lagging behind. Both regions is resided by non X tribes. Depends on what your consider prosperity. Somaliland like all other Somali regions depend on the remittances from abroad, and the aid from foriegn donors. The administration's entire budget doesn't exceed 30mill (correct me if iam wrong). It doesn't have enough resources to provide education, health, effective policing, and civic duties to the public in Waqooyi Galbeed let alone those in SSh. The little it has goes to the pockets of public servants and armed forces. The only thing Somaliland could offer Sanaag and Sool a slice of the aid coming from international donors. Actually Somaliland doesnt' rule nor have any say in most parts of Sool, it's absent. Their kinsmen from Puntland rule most parts of sool and Eastern Sanaag. Somaliland hasn't been given teh chance to even try to meet with elders or groups from the area. No Somaliland's politica figure can show up there, even if their was to build a school or hospital. The first things that would come to mind would be he is from Hargeysa, therefore he has no right to be here. First of all, Somaliland can't afford to build schools and hospitals. That's plain false. Almost all new facilities all over Somalia are built by foriegn or by Somali diasporo communities. And since, you stated that people in these regions don't welcome officials from Hargeysa, why do you think it is that way? Very simple. What do you have? what have you provided? Everything about Southern somalis or should I say 'proper' somalis has been a big failure. The problem with Somalia is the capital once run by marauding warlords ,and now controlled by defunct organization imposed on the citizenry by foriegn mercenaries with the mighty Dollar. The rest of somalia has always been for most part at peace, and places like Pland has functioning system. Majority in the south are willing to coexist together and move forward as one nation. Somaliland on its part has achieved peace and stability, but nothing to warrant for it to become its own indepedent nation. Surely, Somaliland could have engaged with more peaceful southern regions, the obvious being the neighbor on its east. I would admit the idea of Mogadisho goverment coming to reconcile looks like distant dream now, but the reality is Somaliland is as divided as the south ( though not as volatile)since the administration in hargeysa doesn't enjoy support all over the eastern regions. So, why not engage with other peaceful regions, and move towards an effort to unify the nation. And finally and I hope you don't dodge this question, why not become an autonomous region within a federal system if you are seeking is self-governance and management of your own resources?

^^^He is Muslim...Only uses right hand!

LooooooL@looks like someone speaking from experience.

Badacas....It seems we are going circles saaxib. Let's first be few issues to rest. You stated reer Sanaag and Sool support Somaliweyn simply of cuz the Qabiil connection. That's an assertion you made. I would like to know how you come to that conclusion. It is my thinking even though Reer Sool and Sanaag want to be part of Somalia, their reasons for staying with union varies, but few important ones that comes to mind are: 1. Their ancestors fought along all other Somalis to attain this republic. 2. Their communities have vested interest in terms of relationships and properties not in Pland, but all over the south. They are econimically, politically and culturally integrated into Somali proper. 3. The Somaliland administration has given a sufficient enough reason and explanation for reer Sanaag and Sool to break ties with the south. I doubt it is only Qabiilism that motivates reer Sanaag and Sool, that's to say Qabiil doesn't play a part in their decisions. And Saaxib, could tell us what is Somaliland looking for that couldn't be addressed within the confines of proper Somali?

Duke....I thought Madoobe was the best man for that job. What did he do to get axed?

Khaanadaa la galiye since aad adigu faraha kala joogi waday. Admin got tired suu waryaa kuu lahaa.

Aw...Ceeb yaa khay, nobody does Somalia...well maybe for few billion dollars....LooooooL The operation in Somalia seems to heading for failure as the Ethiopians can't pacify Mogadisho, and the TFG obviously won't gain the support of the Somali people. As the article stated, there will be no military solution to the crisis in Somalia. One part might enjoy the upper hand today, but it is unlikely any one party would assume the control of this devastated nation. Only a geniune reconcialation between parties and without the presence of the Ethio muscle would help us move and reconstitute our lost state. This however will not likely happen as long as the Yanks are bankrolling Ethio operation and the TFG continous believing that only force would subdue the Mogadisho insurgency.

Qoorta lagu goo dheh, Qaran beel!

^^You mean start a new party